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Ascendance

Hobbes2 wrote:

tbh if I had mapped the normal I'd have done 1.6 SV (since thats higher than the 1.4 in my easy diff) and used DS 1.4 or something, which makes the spacing looks really similar to whats in the ascendance diff. That being said, fiery's diff is SV 1.4 so that would just create a bit of a different issue lol
Yeah that's the thing, Fiery's diff was the reason we had to add a middle diff in the first place.
Xexxar
They are obviously not the same. The issue I brought up is based on the massive discrepancy between your SV and your distance snap. Bringing the SV up and the distance snap down helps them become more equal and allows your diff to better fit the spread and improves playability. It also follows the ranking criteria's guidelines.
Ascendance

Xexxar wrote:

They are obviously not the same. The issue I brought up is based on the massive discrepancy between your SV and your distance snap. Bringing the SV up and the distance snap down helps them become more equal and allows your diff to better fit the spread and improves playability. It also follows the ranking criteria's guidelines.
The guidelines are exactly that, though. Guidelines. In no way do I need to follow them if I have valid reasoning behind my design choices. Having some extra distance between notes greatly increases readability (and lowers overlaps that could cause confusion) and in my opinion, that only adds to the "intuitive" nature of the difficulty itself.

In my opinion, your bubble pop has no real reasoning behind it besides "It's against a guideline, time to pop". If it was truly "set in stone" as you say it is, it would be a rule instead. Guidelines are there to prevent design choices with no actual meaning behind them. I've given several reasons as to why the way I've mapped it makes it acceptable to break said guideline. I implore you to reconsider your stance on the matter.
Xexxar
It appears that we cannot come to an agreement. I am sorry but by the powers vested upon me as a beatmap nominator I have no choice but to resort to vetoing this map for the issues I have laid out regarding this normal diff. Good luck in your future endeavors and remember to contact me if you decide to change your mind.
Battle
Xexxar - Today at 8:03 PM
hey
Bataille - Today at 8:17 PM
hello
Xexxar - Today at 8:17 PM
what do you think
of this map
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1274819&m=0
the normal
diff
Bataille - Today at 8:18 PM
I've never checked it
but the song is cute
uh
1/4 sliders are kinda meh on normal
they can be mistaken for 1/2 clicks cuz the slider body
is nonexistent
antijumps are pretty bad on normals
Xexxar - Today at 8:19 PM
also
Bataille - Today at 8:20 PM
it's different yeah, but beginners aren't going to exactly be able to read it because they'll get confused that they're in the relatively same place as the last object
this is one ugly normal
I wouldn't exactly say that the DS itself isn't unrankable standalone since it's low bpm
however
the DS being 1.4 on two diffs is very questionable
in comparison to the 2.0
Xexxar - Today at 8:22 PM
mhm.
idk
Bataille - Today at 8:22 PM
because one, that's really fucking fast
compared to 1.4
and two
Xexxar - Today at 8:22 PM
i dont think thats necessarily an issue
Bataille - Today at 8:23 PM
both diffs also use the same SVs
so there's no reason to really have like
two of them 1.2 SV
1.4*
Xexxar - Today at 8:23 PM
yeah i mean
Bataille - Today at 8:25 PM
see the thing is for 2.0 sv you create unnecessarily difficult to intepret patterns
since slider ends and heads end up being more ambiguous
due to the spacing
yeah but that's my opinion on it
why am I the first person y'all message
Xexxar - Today at 8:26 PM
only one on
Bataille - Today at 8:26 PM
zz
I'll just post log
Topic Starter
fieryrage
name jeff

getting new normal and updated hobbes's slider thingy
also took the liberty to 00:35:070 (1,2) - fix these out-of-bounds things according to ezek, sr increased by 0.02 lol sick
Battle
Since 1/4 in this bpm functions at 160~ bpm, I would say that it's fine to use 1/4, however it should be used sparingly and not using sliders, like stated before their very short body makes it hard to distinguish from regular 1/2 circles
Ascendance
np I just had him remove my diff so it's so unintuitive i guess lole
Xexxar
Unfortunate it turned out this way. I think the diff had potential and just needed that fix but that's your choice to make. Once the new normal is in place my veto is void.
Ascendance
I would have rather seen a compromise rather than "do it my way or the veto stays" style of negotiation. I'm not you so of course I'll do things differently.

Edit: if it's any better, I'll go down to 1.7x but that's about it without ruining my intent I think.
polka
meanwhile here's polka with 2.0x


also fiery I dont think the hitsounds were copying they didn't sound right so I kinda just did my own???

also also I believe held "o" vowels in japanese are expressed in romaji as "ou" not "oo" could be wrong tho :x

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Hobbes2
@polk, stacking 1/2 (in this case 1/4) under a slidertail is against the guidelines for normal diffs, would recommend unstacking those 01:10:923 (5,6,1) -
polka
These new guidelines man holy

Ill take a look when i get home.
Xexxar
Be in mind that your metadata is actually incorrect. The title's romanization of the word オルゴール shouldn't be Orudooru. This is a loan word which means you need to use the origin word from the original language. The same is true with テーマ. The correct romanized title should be:

パートナーのテーマ オルゴール
Partner no Thema Orgel

Thema from German, Orgel from Dutch.
Topic Starter
fieryrage
ok so I misinterpreted metadata from kwan wops.

will fix once normal is sorted out
polka
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Topic Starter
fieryrage
adjusted ar and stuff to fit spread

should be Okay hand now besides some hitsounds
ezek
Hi

[polka's normal]
  1. Seems you forgot to silence the slider tracks on this diff
  2. 00:00:680 (2,3) - 00:01:960 (4,5) - 00:25:375 (4,5) - 01:29:948 (3,1) - list of blankets that need improvement
  3. 00:49:489 - is this break shortener intentional?
  4. 01:13:119 (2,4) - I would be neat for your style to align these
  5. 01:15:314 (5) - The curvatures feel aggressive compared to the song. I would be nice if you use something that doesn't make such movement, like this.
  6. 01:28:850 - I feel this beat is strong enough to be mapped, I highly suggest to put something here~
  7. 01:35:984 - 01:38:525 - are these break shorteners intentional?


Call me back once you get one more mod on this diff and anything else you want to fix gets fixed~ I don't mind of Hobbes mods it :v
Topic Starter
fieryrage
i'll get like two mods from hobbes and plaudible or smth

the Expert Normal Mappers
polka

ezek wrote:

Hi

[polka's normal]
  1. Seems you forgot to silence the slider tracks on this diff :arrow:Okay.
  2. 00:00:680 (2,3) - :arrow:this is fine.00:01:960 (4,5) - :arrow:fixed.00:25:375 (4,5) - :arrow:okay01:29:948 (3,1) - :arrow:okaylist of blankets that need improvement :arrow:
  3. 00:49:489 - is this break shortener intentional? :arrow:nope. fixed.
  4. 01:13:119 (2,4) - I would be neat for your style to align these :arrow:Going for a rotated diamond shape here.
  5. 01:15:314 (5) - The curvatures feel aggressive compared to the song. I would be nice if you use something that doesn't make such movement, like this.Made a wave slider.
  6. 01:28:850 - I feel this beat is strong enough to be mapped, I highly suggest to put something here~ :arrow:I disagree. Not compared to how loud all the other ticks have been.
  7. 01:35:984 - 01:38:525 - are these break shorteners intentional? :arrow:nope fixed.


Call me back once you get one more mod on this diff and anything else you want to fix gets fixed~ I don't mind of Hobbes mods it :v
Thanks for the mod ezek!
This sounds so boring with no finishers.... Fiery, can I keep them please? Or can I use your soft hit whistle for them instead?
osu file format v14

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Title:Partner no Thema Orgel
TitleUnicode:パートナーのテーマ オルゴール
Artist:Keisuke Ito, Yasuhiro Kawagoe, Noriko Murakami
ArtistUnicode:いとうけいすけ、川越康弘、村上徳子
Creator:fieryrage
Version:polka's normal
Source:ポケモン超不思議のダンジョン
Tags:pokemon pokémon super mystery dungeon theme music box pocket monsters nintendo the company game freak 3ds hobbes2 polkamocha
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