BlackYooh vs. siromaru - BLACK or WHITE? [OsuMania]

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Wonki
00:34:481 (34481|3) - 이거 소리없는거같은데 나만그런가

00:34:562 - 우웅 거리는소리 롱놋으로 표현하면 좋을거같어 지난번에 얘기했었었나

00:43:318 - , 00:43:481 - 난여기에도 피아노소리가 있다고 생각해 일부러 빼논거일수도 있겠지만

00:58:318 (58318|2,58481|4) - 이게 더 깔끔해보인다

01:16:643 - 6레인에 심볼추가어때

01:17:454 - 희미하게 피아노음이 들리는거같어

01:40:481 - 01:41:778 - 01:44:372 - 01:46:318 - 충분히 3놋을 집어넣을수있다고 생각하는데 일부러 2개로한거같은데 혹시모르니 적어볼게

02:00:102 (120102|3) - 뭔가 3레인으로 옮기는게 더 깔끔해 보여

02:18:183 (138183|3) - 이롱놋이 여기까지 삐죽나온건 왜야?

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Topic Starter
Kawawa

Esc wrote:

Esc's Modding

Column : 0|1|2|3|4|5|6

00:18:914 ~ 00:20:212 - 이 구간 패턴은 뒤의 롱놋 + 2단놋을 강조하기 위해서 (( https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7311418 )) 같이 바로 아래패턴과 같이해도 좋을것 같습니다.
다소 표현에 노트 수가 많다고 생각하여, 노트 수를 줄이면서 스크린샷을 참고하여 패턴을 변경하였습니다. 감사합니다.

00:56:535 ~ 00:57:832 - 이 구간은 123 연타 패턴도 좋을거같아서 제안을 한번 드려봅니다 >> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7311405
00:59:129 ~ 01:00:427 - ^ (이 구간도 위와 마찬가지로 해보시는것도 좋을듯합니다)
3잭을 시도하려는 생각은 아직 일절 없으나, 고려해보겠습니다.

01:06:264 ~ 01:06:913 - 이 패턴도 좋을거같아 제안해봅니다. >> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7311409
고려해볼게요

02:46:805 ~ 02:48:102 - 00:18:914와 같이 해주시면 좋을 것 같습니다.
맨위 언급한 바와 같이 적용 완료!

03:12:102 ~ 03:17:616 - Ctrl + H
제가 왼손에 올인 되어 있는 패턴을 좋아하는지라 유지하려 했는데,
여러 의견을 반영하여 이미 밸런스를 최대한 잡아둔거라 아직 변경할 생각은 없네요 ㅠ


03:19:886 (199886|0,199886|3,199886|1,200535|6,200535|4,200778|6,201183|3,201183|1,201183|0) - ^
05:23:291 ~ 05:24:264 - ^
집어 주신 부분은 후에 리맵으로 패턴을 싹 갈아볼 생각 입니다. 감사합니다.
7키 모딩은 제가 실력이 부족해서 못하는관계로 몇몇 군데만 집어보았습니다 :D
부족하지만 모딩 신청해주셔서 감사합니다!
모딩에 시간내주셔서 감사합니다! :)
Topic Starter
Kawawa

Wonki wrote:

00:34:481 (34481|3) - 이거 소리없는거같은데 나만그런가
거기 건반 하나 있어,
막상 제거하자니 메인타이밍 선이 거슬러져서 다음 변속 타이밍 맞추는데 더 난해할 것 같으므로 유지 될 듯.


00:34:562 - 우웅 거리는소리 롱놋으로 표현하면 좋을거같어 지난번에 얘기했었었나
고려는 해볼게! 원래 롱놋으로 대체 했었으나, 오히려 없는게 나은거 같더라

00:43:318 - , 00:43:481 - 난여기에도 피아노소리가 있다고 생각해 일부러 빼논거일수도 있겠지만
여긴 변경할 생각이 아직 까진 없는듯

00:58:318 (58318|2,58481|4) - 이게 더 깔끔해보인다
의도는 2개의 잭을 유지하는거라 저렇게 변경하면 1개가 끊겨 버려서 00:58:399 (58399|3,58481|4) - 위에 이걸 리버스 해야겠다.

01:16:643 - 6레인에 심볼추가어때
추가해도 괜찮을듯

01:17:454 - 희미하게 피아노음이 들리는거같어
뭐야 여기 노트 어디갔지 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

01:40:481 - 01:41:778 - 01:44:372 - 01:46:318 - 충분히 3놋을 집어넣을수있다고 생각하는데 일부러 2개로한거같은데 혹시모르니 적어볼게
이 전체 파트는 조금 더 노트 좀 추가할 계획이 있었는데, 의견 반영해서 나중에 리맵할 때 변경해볼게.

02:00:102 (120102|3) - 뭔가 3레인으로 옮기는게 더 깔끔해 보여
이건 윗노트하고 배열을 맞춘지라 안될듯.

02:18:183 (138183|3) - 이롱놋이 여기까지 삐죽나온건 왜야?
02:18:264 - 여기 4에 노트를 일부러 사용하지 않고, 주변과 컨셉을 맞춘건데
나중에 리맵할 때 고려해볼 필요는 있겠다.

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모딩에 시간내줘서 고마워 :)
Soul Evans
2017-02-14 13:43 Soul Evans: you might find something prettier 
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: I changed BG
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: can you delete the map
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: and redl
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: then you can see the new bg
2017-02-14 13:43 Soul Evans: yeah i'm dling it right now
2017-02-14 13:44 Soul Evans: that's just the same but with test xD
2017-02-14 13:45 Soul Evans: but atleast it's more nice
2017-02-14 13:50 Soul Evans: jeez....
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: seems you need warm yet
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: haha.
2017-02-14 13:51 Soul Evans: actually the opposite
2017-02-14 13:51 Soul Evans: i've played all day
2017-02-14 13:51 Soul Evans: tired hand ;;
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: oh.
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: I see.
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: just a bad condition your hand?
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: I also understand that
2017-02-14 13:52 Kawawa: I played all day recently, but always not good score.
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: so umm
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: at the start of the map
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: did you raise the slowjam sv?
2017-02-14 13:52 Kawawa: yes.
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: ok that's good
2017-02-14 13:52 Kawawa: 00:02:050 - 0.8
2017-02-14 13:53 Kawawa: 00:12:428 - and I raised from this section
2017-02-14 13:53 Kawawa: slowly
2017-02-14 13:53 Kawawa: 00:17:617 - till 1.0here
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: ok i see
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: so basically
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: for this 00:02:536 (2536|3,2860|3,3185|5,3509|5,3833|3,4158|3,4482|5,4806|5) -
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: i really think you should avoid them for a slowjam
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: nope, I really don't think
2017-02-14 13:55 Soul Evans: the pattering should be more spread out for a slowjam
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: because I wanted to keep them for the pattern shape that repeated the "piano synth"
2017-02-14 13:55 Soul Evans: accuracy is a huge issue with this fact becuse ladder pattern + sv will make player rage quit
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: It is not issue much for player.
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: because It is 1/2th.
2017-02-14 13:56 Kawawa: If It's 1/4th, It was a big issue as your logic
2017-02-14 13:57 Kawawa: Also It is 7star map, I don't think that should I make the map easier than now.
2017-02-14 13:57 Soul Evans: it's not about that
2017-02-14 13:58 Soul Evans: look people have been pretty mad over Happy end with it's slowjams
2017-02-14 13:58 Soul Evans: because they can't get good scores out of it for their skills because of these slowjams
2017-02-14 14:00 Soul Evans: ok uhhm
2017-02-14 14:00 Soul Evans: lets see then
2017-02-14 14:00 Soul Evans: 00:35:454 -
2017-02-14 14:01 Kawawa: Since The important is the one which when It's a absolutely playable issue.
2017-02-14 14:01 Kawawa: I never consider them to change yet.
2017-02-14 14:01 Soul Evans: was this there before the update
2017-02-14 14:02 Kawawa: yeahh
2017-02-14 14:03 Soul Evans: hmm
2017-02-14 14:03 Kawawa: about the snap?
2017-02-14 14:03 Soul Evans: nah it's just about how it might not be hittable after the SV
2017-02-14 14:03 Soul Evans: chord spam
2017-02-14 14:04 Kawawa: hmm I passed easily.
2017-02-14 14:04 Soul Evans: 00:35:778 - i see you changed this section too, i think it's better that way
2017-02-14 14:04 Soul Evans: but i was thinking of making the right side more variable
2017-02-14 14:04 Soul Evans: like including the 6th column for 00:35:940 (35940|6) -
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: oh.
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: I got it yout point.
2017-02-14 14:05 Soul Evans: instead of [5][7] [5][7]
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: but actually I like col 5,7 hammer
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: that's the reason why I kept them for long time.
2017-02-14 14:06 Kawawa: but thanks
2017-02-14 14:06 Kawawa: I will consider this opinion 'w'
2017-02-14 14:07 Soul Evans: 00:38:048 - i actually like the SV in this part but thought it might be more fun to make the pattern like so : https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321580
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: also uhm
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: maybe you can increase the viriables for the SV
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: to make it slighty more strong but still fun
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: and uhh hard i suppose
2017-02-14 14:09 Kawawa: yeah, I will consider them :)
2017-02-14 14:09 Kawawa: It's okay any opinions will be helpful to me when I remapping.
2017-02-14 14:09 Soul Evans: why remap it?
2017-02-14 14:10 Kawawa: nope I mean when I self-check the map
2017-02-14 14:10 Kawawa: haha.
2017-02-14 14:10 Kawawa: If I feel not good somethingm, I remap some parts
2017-02-14 14:11 Soul Evans: i see
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: so uhm one thing i want to point out is 00:41:454 (41454|0,41535|0,41778|6,41859|6,42102|0,42183|0) -
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: these jacks
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: on the ring finger
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: hmmm
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: :thinking:
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: they should include ring finger so it wont focus on them alot
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: also i want to tell you advice
2017-02-14 14:13 Kawawa: you like middle finger?
2017-02-14 14:13 Soul Evans: i like things not being biased to finger
2017-02-14 14:13 Soul Evans: so spreading it to 4 fingers is better than dense section for 2
2017-02-14 14:15 Kawawa: that's the concept for the structure. If I changed them, I should change around structure too.
2017-02-14 14:15 Kawawa: so that's the hard to change
2017-02-14 14:15 Soul Evans: i see
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: 00:44:859 - this sound
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: should be with 00:45:021 -
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: because it's the important part the starter of the sound
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: i suggest for this
2017-02-14 14:17 Kawawa: yeah, you're right. previous pattern was that like you said
2017-02-14 14:17 Soul Evans: you can do something like you did in the ending for
2017-02-14 14:17 Soul Evans: uhhh alice in wonderland diff
2017-02-14 14:17 Kawawa: I will consider it once again
2017-02-14 14:18 Soul Evans: alright
2017-02-14 14:18 Soul Evans: 00:47:616 (47616|2,47616|4,47778|4,47778|2,47940|2,47940|4,48102|4,48102|2,48264|2,48264|4,48427|1,48589|1,48751|1,48913|1,49075|1) -
2017-02-14 14:19 Soul Evans: these anchors
2017-02-14 14:19 Soul Evans: hm
2017-02-14 14:21 Kawawa: I could not make a rest more than now.
2017-02-14 14:21 Kawawa: because at least this is not a jack
2017-02-14 14:21 Kawawa: 00:47:859 (47859|6) - If it was col 4, I would change them
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: i see
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: 00:48:427 -
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: i know this section calls for SV because of it's sound but
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: don't you think it would be better to just make chords heavier instead?
2017-02-14 14:23 Kawawa: umm
2017-02-14 14:23 Kawawa: you mean is
2017-02-14 14:23 Kawawa: without SV?
2017-02-14 14:24 Kawawa: or add some chords with keep SV
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: add more chords instead
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: or add
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: chords
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: and nerf the SV
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: a little
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: uhm
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: sorry
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: disconnected for a sec
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: but did you get my last message?
2017-02-14 14:28 Kawawa: ohh
2017-02-14 14:28 Kawawa: I did not see
2017-02-14 14:29 Soul Evans: well i mean
2017-02-14 14:29 Soul Evans: you can add notes
2017-02-14 14:30 Soul Evans: and maybe
2017-02-14 14:30 Soul Evans: nerf the SV a little to make it work
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: oh I answered that
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: but seems you did not receive my message
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: ;w;
2017-02-14 14:30 Soul Evans: ;w;
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: but your opinion also right. If I can make them havier, I should change the sturucture a bit.
2017-02-14 14:31 Soul Evans: yep
2017-02-14 14:31 Kawawa: so I will consider them again when I self check
2017-02-14 14:31 Soul Evans: 00:49:562 - i don't see why this is three note chords honestly
2017-02-14 14:31 Soul Evans: they don't sound different to me to have a change in strucutre
2017-02-14 14:32 Kawawa: hmm
2017-02-14 14:32 Kawawa: this is same main melody with drum.
2017-02-14 14:32 Kawawa: that I made it 3notes for whole stream
2017-02-14 14:33 Soul Evans: isee
2017-02-14 14:34 Soul Evans: 00:51:345 - i think this would be more comfy like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321709
2017-02-14 14:35 Kawawa: I thought it before was that
2017-02-14 14:35 Kawawa: but too normal I think. so I changed
2017-02-14 14:35 Kawawa: ;w;
2017-02-14 14:35 Soul Evans: But the SV makes it worse to hit i think
2017-02-14 14:37 Kawawa: nope. because you played it 1times only, so you can't judge the SV exactly.
2017-02-14 14:37 Soul Evans: i kinda played it more than once
2017-02-14 14:38 Kawawa: When you can play it 2~3 times, It will be adapted. I think
2017-02-14 14:38 Soul Evans: but didn't pass it untill after skillboost
2017-02-14 14:39 Soul Evans: and back
2017-02-14 14:39 Soul Evans: 00:52:724 (52724|1,52805|2,52805|0,52967|0,52967|2,53048|1) - this looks a bit unpolished
2017-02-14 14:41 Kawawa: I kinda agree to you, because I also get a miss there
2017-02-14 14:41 Kawawa: but I did not want to change them, because why I have to make them always easier. sometimes It needs to be harder.
2017-02-14 14:42 Kawawa: or It just a player's skill issue.
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: You want to make things harder right?
2017-02-14 14:42 Kawawa: yeahh
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: well ok i get your point but you got to remember
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: things that are hard, can be played and have a fun way to it
2017-02-14 14:42 Kawawa: I want to make harder some
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: not asking you to make it easier but you have to remember quality some times
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: i know people who can play a map very well
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: and still call it bad for some reason
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: while i see some hard maps
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: be called bad and good for some maps
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: so it's not about difficulty
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: it's about how fun something is and how good it plays compared to how horrible it plays
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: Thing is with your maps these days is that they are too uncomfortable
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: enigma is a prime thing for it
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: it's uncomfy
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: and your latest map has the same issue
2017-02-14 14:44 Kawawa: You should respect the chart what they aimed.
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: sure it's hard but some sections feels awkward to play in
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: yeah i understand that
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: Players are not customer
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: why they should be always easier.
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: It's mindblock for map
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: to create the chart.
2017-02-14 14:45 Soul Evans: Stop looking at difficulty for that
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: always be smooth stairs.
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: for ranked maps.
2017-02-14 14:45 Soul Evans: its' not the issue here at all lol
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: There are patterns that suit some sections well
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: and can be with harsher patterns
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: you can still make a map hard and better playing
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: i don't mind if a map is hard at all
2017-02-14 14:48 Kawawa: can you explain the map logically? that why It should not be?
2017-02-14 14:48 Kawawa: The mean about "playable"
2017-02-14 14:48 Soul Evans: I only care about if the pattern suits the section
2017-02-14 14:49 Soul Evans: weather it should be more easier or more harder
2017-02-14 14:49 Soul Evans: like before, i suggested you to make a section with more chords = harder pattern
2017-02-14 14:49 Kawawa: we call "suit" when we can pass it easily.
2017-02-14 14:49 Kawawa: but the problem is our's skill sometimes.
2017-02-14 14:49 Soul Evans: i only call suit if the section/sound calls for the type of pattern
2017-02-14 14:50 Soul Evans: i will suggest hard things, and easy things,or natural things, only to what i see fit
2017-02-14 14:50 Soul Evans: while still
2017-02-14 14:50 Soul Evans: respect mappers choice
2017-02-14 14:51 Kawawa: yeah. so I considering them yet.
2017-02-14 14:51 Kawawa: because actually It was easy to me.
2017-02-14 14:52 Kawawa: oh yeah, honestly I can make them easier. but I wanted to challenge somehing for me :)
2017-02-14 14:52 Soul Evans: i would not like you to make it easy
2017-02-14 14:53 Soul Evans: i would only care if it fits or not
2017-02-14 14:53 Kawawa: so yeah, I don't like that.
2017-02-14 14:55 Kawawa: but actually thanks what you said now.
2017-02-14 14:55 Kawawa: I will consider them once again :)
2017-02-14 14:56 Soul Evans: uhm
2017-02-14 14:57 Soul Evans: 01:06:102 - what do you think about making it a little bit more heavy https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321825
2017-02-14 14:58 Kawawa: what you think about to keep 3jacks?
2017-02-14 14:59 Soul Evans: i thought the beat is loud enough for only 3 chords
2017-02-14 14:59 Soul Evans: so having it be 4 would be more fun i think
2017-02-14 14:59 Soul Evans: and suitable
2017-02-14 15:00 Kawawa: honestly 4 also valid. but hmm I wanted to keep 3jacks for that
2017-02-14 15:00 Kawawa: but If I make it 4 anchor, I can't avoid the 4jack in one of column
2017-02-14 15:00 Kawawa: :(
2017-02-14 15:01 Kawawa: so I'm considering it
2017-02-14 15:02 Soul Evans: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321855
2017-02-14 15:03 Kawawa: btw I have a question
2017-02-14 15:03 Soul Evans: yea sure
2017-02-14 15:03 Kawawa: what you think about? 04:18:589 (258589|6,258589|3,258589|4,258589|0,258670|2,258697|4,258697|5,258751|0,258805|6,258805|5,258832|2,258913|3,258913|6,258913|0) -
2017-02-14 15:03 Kawawa: I'm unsure it.
2017-02-14 15:04 Kawawa: because I stopped the SV, because polyrhythm here.
2017-02-14 15:04 Kawawa: you think 1/4 poly rhythm is better to ignore? And keeping 1/3 SV till 04:18:913 -
2017-02-14 15:06 Soul Evans: i think it would be safer if it was like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321870
2017-02-14 15:06 Soul Evans: besides the jack on the 6th col is still comboable
2017-02-14 15:07 Kawawa: Is that ok? I stopped SV here suddenly 04:18:913 -
2017-02-14 15:07 Soul Evans: k hold on
2017-02-14 15:08 Soul Evans: yeah i think that's fine
2017-02-14 15:08 Kawawa: really?
2017-02-14 15:08 Soul Evans: probably a bit too sudden using 2x SV after 0.5x but that's just me
2017-02-14 15:08 Kawawa: some peoples are say not good.
2017-02-14 15:09 Kawawa: so I was considering them to remap
2017-02-14 15:09 Soul Evans: i think they are talking about the type of SV you used
2017-02-14 15:09 Soul Evans: btw
2017-02-14 15:10 Kawawa: okay I will continue the question what I unsure something.
2017-02-14 15:10 Kawawa: yeah?
2017-02-14 15:10 Soul Evans: shouldn't this be LN 04:12:427 (252427|6,252427|4,252427|5) -
2017-02-14 15:10 Soul Evans: making these mini lns should be fine
2017-02-14 15:10 Soul Evans: i don't see why not
2017-02-14 15:11 Kawawa: yeah. but I think both are valid. or I should remove this LN too 04:12:589 (252589|4,252589|6) -
2017-02-14 15:11 Kawawa: I considering them
2017-02-14 15:11 Kawawa: maybe you're right
2017-02-14 15:12 Soul Evans: you shouldn't remove that LN honestly
2017-02-14 15:12 Soul Evans: jacking with it isn't hard
2017-02-14 15:12 Kawawa: why?
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: I see alright.
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: lol
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: -haha
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: 04:22:156 - i hear a 1/8 here
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: for like piano
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: the piano?
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: adding a chord and 04:22:237 (262237|4,262237|2,262318|1,262318|5,262399|4,262399|2) -
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: yeah
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: honestly I think so
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: but I really considering them
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: hmm
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: yep
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: it's ok in my eyes
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: so I don't know yet, but I want to add If I can
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: haha
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: 05:23:454 (323454|1,323454|2,323535|1,323535|2,323616|2,323616|1,323697|2,323697|1) -
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: you like those jack?
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: I'm not good jack skill. but I like jack.
2017-02-14 15:14 Soul Evans: Adding SV to it could be an option
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: oh I added before.
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: but hmm
2017-02-14 15:15 Soul Evans: or since the beat is loud enough you can use a 3 note chord junptrill SV
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: something not suit? I feel
2017-02-14 15:15 Soul Evans: like (123) (567)
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: I see
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: And
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: 04:13:399 (253399|2,253399|0,253481|1,253481|3,253562|2,253562|4,253643|3,253643|5,254048|4,254048|5,254048|6,254048|0,254129|1,254210|2,254210|4,254291|5,254291|3) -
2017-02-14 15:15 Soul Evans: 05:30:264 - i think this could be denser
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: alright,
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: I will add some notes
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: I agree
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: 04:13:399 (253399|2,253399|0,253481|1,253481|3,253562|2,253562|4,253643|3,253643|5,254048|4,254048|5,254048|6,254048|0,254129|1,254210|2,254210|4,254291|5,254291|3) -
2017-02-14 15:16 Soul Evans: for this hmmm
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: I think change something?
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: because same stair patterns
2017-02-14 15:16 Soul Evans: why not add LNs for it instead
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: but I'm not good to see
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: where?
2017-02-14 15:16 Soul Evans: 04:13:399 -
2017-02-14 15:17 Kawawa: hmm
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: hmm
2017-02-14 15:17 Kawawa: because for ACC?
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: nah
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: because of the sound
2017-02-14 15:17 Kawawa: Since I stoped SV here
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: i feel like LN for this type of sound might be an option
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: since you used LNs previously for all the other sounds that sound just like this one
2017-02-14 15:18 Kawawa: yeah
2017-02-14 15:18 Soul Evans: 04:14:048 - about this
2017-02-14 15:18 Soul Evans: i think it's fine as it is
2017-02-14 15:18 Kawawa: yeah
2017-02-14 15:18 Kawawa: I see.
2017-02-14 15:19 Kawawa: Alright. can you post the chat?
2017-02-14 15:19 Kawawa: I have to go out ;w;
2017-02-14 15:19 Kawawa: I think It already helpful a lots 'w'
2017-02-14 15:19 Soul Evans: sure <3
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Soul Evans wrote:

2017-02-14 13:43 Soul Evans: you might find something prettier 
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: I changed BG
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: can you delete the map
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: and redl
2017-02-14 13:43 Kawawa: then you can see the new bg
2017-02-14 13:43 Soul Evans: yeah i'm dling it right now
2017-02-14 13:44 Soul Evans: that's just the same but with test xD
2017-02-14 13:45 Soul Evans: but atleast it's more nice
2017-02-14 13:50 Soul Evans: jeez....
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: seems you need warm yet
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: haha.
2017-02-14 13:51 Soul Evans: actually the opposite
2017-02-14 13:51 Soul Evans: i've played all day
2017-02-14 13:51 Soul Evans: tired hand ;;
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: oh.
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: I see.
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: just a bad condition your hand?
2017-02-14 13:51 Kawawa: I also understand that
2017-02-14 13:52 Kawawa: I played all day recently, but always not good score.
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: so umm
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: at the start of the map
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: did you raise the slowjam sv?
2017-02-14 13:52 Kawawa: yes.
2017-02-14 13:52 Soul Evans: ok that's good
2017-02-14 13:52 Kawawa: 00:02:050 - 0.8
2017-02-14 13:53 Kawawa: 00:12:428 - and I raised from this section
2017-02-14 13:53 Kawawa: slowly
2017-02-14 13:53 Kawawa: 00:17:617 - till 1.0here
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: ok i see
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: so basically
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: for this 00:02:536 (2536|3,2860|3,3185|5,3509|5,3833|3,4158|3,4482|5,4806|5) -
2017-02-14 13:54 Soul Evans: i really think you should avoid them for a slowjam
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: nope, I really don't think
2017-02-14 13:55 Soul Evans: the pattering should be more spread out for a slowjam
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: because I wanted to keep them for the pattern shape that repeated the "piano synth"
2017-02-14 13:55 Soul Evans: accuracy is a huge issue with this fact becuse ladder pattern + sv will make player rage quit
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: It is not issue much for player.
2017-02-14 13:55 Kawawa: because It is 1/2th.
2017-02-14 13:56 Kawawa: If It's 1/4th, It was a big issue as your logic
2017-02-14 13:57 Kawawa: Also It is 7star map, I don't think that should I make the map easier than now.
2017-02-14 13:57 Soul Evans: it's not about that
2017-02-14 13:58 Soul Evans: look people have been pretty mad over Happy end with it's slowjams
2017-02-14 13:58 Soul Evans: because they can't get good scores out of it for their skills because of these slowjams
2017-02-14 14:00 Soul Evans: ok uhhm
2017-02-14 14:00 Soul Evans: lets see then
2017-02-14 14:00 Soul Evans: 00:35:454 -
2017-02-14 14:01 Kawawa: Since The important is the one which when It's a absolutely playable issue.
2017-02-14 14:01 Kawawa: I never consider them to change yet.
2017-02-14 14:01 Soul Evans: was this there before the update
2017-02-14 14:02 Kawawa: yeahh
2017-02-14 14:03 Soul Evans: hmm
2017-02-14 14:03 Kawawa: about the snap?
2017-02-14 14:03 Soul Evans: nah it's just about how it might not be hittable after the SV
2017-02-14 14:03 Soul Evans: chord spam
2017-02-14 14:04 Kawawa: hmm I passed easily.
2017-02-14 14:04 Soul Evans: 00:35:778 - i see you changed this section too, i think it's better that way
2017-02-14 14:04 Soul Evans: but i was thinking of making the right side more variable
2017-02-14 14:04 Soul Evans: like including the 6th column for 00:35:940 (35940|6) -
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: oh.
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: I got it yout point.
2017-02-14 14:05 Soul Evans: instead of [5][7] [5][7]
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: but actually I like col 5,7 hammer
2017-02-14 14:05 Kawawa: that's the reason why I kept them for long time.
2017-02-14 14:06 Kawawa: but thanks
2017-02-14 14:06 Kawawa: I will consider this opinion 'w'
2017-02-14 14:07 Soul Evans: 00:38:048 - i actually like the SV in this part but thought it might be more fun to make the pattern like so : https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321580
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: also uhm
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: maybe you can increase the viriables for the SV
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: to make it slighty more strong but still fun
2017-02-14 14:08 Soul Evans: and uhh hard i suppose
2017-02-14 14:09 Kawawa: yeah, I will consider them :)
2017-02-14 14:09 Kawawa: It's okay any opinions will be helpful to me when I remapping.
2017-02-14 14:09 Soul Evans: why remap it?
2017-02-14 14:10 Kawawa: nope I mean when I self-check the map
2017-02-14 14:10 Kawawa: haha.
2017-02-14 14:10 Kawawa: If I feel not good somethingm, I remap some parts
2017-02-14 14:11 Soul Evans: i see
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: so uhm one thing i want to point out is 00:41:454 (41454|0,41535|0,41778|6,41859|6,42102|0,42183|0) -
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: these jacks
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: on the ring finger
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: hmmm
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: :thinking:
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: they should include ring finger so it wont focus on them alot
2017-02-14 14:12 Soul Evans: also i want to tell you advice
2017-02-14 14:13 Kawawa: you like middle finger?
2017-02-14 14:13 Soul Evans: i like things not being biased to finger
2017-02-14 14:13 Soul Evans: so spreading it to 4 fingers is better than dense section for 2
2017-02-14 14:15 Kawawa: that's the concept for the structure. If I changed them, I should change around structure too.
2017-02-14 14:15 Kawawa: so that's the hard to change
2017-02-14 14:15 Soul Evans: i see
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: 00:44:859 - this sound
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: should be with 00:45:021 -
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: because it's the important part the starter of the sound
2017-02-14 14:16 Soul Evans: i suggest for this
2017-02-14 14:17 Kawawa: yeah, you're right. previous pattern was that like you said
2017-02-14 14:17 Soul Evans: you can do something like you did in the ending for
2017-02-14 14:17 Soul Evans: uhhh alice in wonderland diff
2017-02-14 14:17 Kawawa: I will consider it once again
2017-02-14 14:18 Soul Evans: alright
2017-02-14 14:18 Soul Evans: 00:47:616 (47616|2,47616|4,47778|4,47778|2,47940|2,47940|4,48102|4,48102|2,48264|2,48264|4,48427|1,48589|1,48751|1,48913|1,49075|1) -
2017-02-14 14:19 Soul Evans: these anchors
2017-02-14 14:19 Soul Evans: hm
2017-02-14 14:21 Kawawa: I could not make a rest more than now.
2017-02-14 14:21 Kawawa: because at least this is not a jack
2017-02-14 14:21 Kawawa: 00:47:859 (47859|6) - If it was col 4, I would change them
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: i see
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: 00:48:427 -
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: i know this section calls for SV because of it's sound but
2017-02-14 14:22 Soul Evans: don't you think it would be better to just make chords heavier instead?
2017-02-14 14:23 Kawawa: umm
2017-02-14 14:23 Kawawa: you mean is
2017-02-14 14:23 Kawawa: without SV?
2017-02-14 14:24 Kawawa: or add some chords with keep SV
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: add more chords instead
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: or add
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: chords
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: and nerf the SV
2017-02-14 14:24 Soul Evans: a little
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: uhm
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: sorry
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: disconnected for a sec
2017-02-14 14:27 Soul Evans: but did you get my last message?
2017-02-14 14:28 Kawawa: ohh
2017-02-14 14:28 Kawawa: I did not see
2017-02-14 14:29 Soul Evans: well i mean
2017-02-14 14:29 Soul Evans: you can add notes
2017-02-14 14:30 Soul Evans: and maybe
2017-02-14 14:30 Soul Evans: nerf the SV a little to make it work
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: oh I answered that
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: but seems you did not receive my message
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: ;w;
2017-02-14 14:30 Soul Evans: ;w;
2017-02-14 14:30 Kawawa: but your opinion also right. If I can make them havier, I should change the sturucture a bit.
2017-02-14 14:31 Soul Evans: yep
2017-02-14 14:31 Kawawa: so I will consider them again when I self check
2017-02-14 14:31 Soul Evans: 00:49:562 - i don't see why this is three note chords honestly
2017-02-14 14:31 Soul Evans: they don't sound different to me to have a change in strucutre
2017-02-14 14:32 Kawawa: hmm
2017-02-14 14:32 Kawawa: this is same main melody with drum.
2017-02-14 14:32 Kawawa: that I made it 3notes for whole stream
2017-02-14 14:33 Soul Evans: isee
2017-02-14 14:34 Soul Evans: 00:51:345 - i think this would be more comfy like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321709
2017-02-14 14:35 Kawawa: I thought it before was that
2017-02-14 14:35 Kawawa: but too normal I think. so I changed
2017-02-14 14:35 Kawawa: ;w;
2017-02-14 14:35 Soul Evans: But the SV makes it worse to hit i think
2017-02-14 14:37 Kawawa: nope. because you played it 1times only, so you can't judge the SV exactly.
2017-02-14 14:37 Soul Evans: i kinda played it more than once
2017-02-14 14:38 Kawawa: When you can play it 2~3 times, It will be adapted. I think
2017-02-14 14:38 Soul Evans: but didn't pass it untill after skillboost
2017-02-14 14:39 Soul Evans: and back
2017-02-14 14:39 Soul Evans: 00:52:724 (52724|1,52805|2,52805|0,52967|0,52967|2,53048|1) - this looks a bit unpolished
2017-02-14 14:41 Kawawa: I kinda agree to you, because I also get a miss there
2017-02-14 14:41 Kawawa: but I did not want to change them, because why I have to make them always easier. sometimes It needs to be harder.
2017-02-14 14:42 Kawawa: or It just a player's skill issue.
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: You want to make things harder right?
2017-02-14 14:42 Kawawa: yeahh
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: well ok i get your point but you got to remember
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: things that are hard, can be played and have a fun way to it
2017-02-14 14:42 Kawawa: I want to make harder some
2017-02-14 14:42 Soul Evans: not asking you to make it easier but you have to remember quality some times
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: i know people who can play a map very well
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: and still call it bad for some reason
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: while i see some hard maps
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: be called bad and good for some maps
2017-02-14 14:43 Soul Evans: so it's not about difficulty
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: it's about how fun something is and how good it plays compared to how horrible it plays
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: Thing is with your maps these days is that they are too uncomfortable
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: enigma is a prime thing for it
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: it's uncomfy
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: and your latest map has the same issue
2017-02-14 14:44 Kawawa: You should respect the chart what they aimed.
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: sure it's hard but some sections feels awkward to play in
2017-02-14 14:44 Soul Evans: yeah i understand that
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: Players are not customer
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: why they should be always easier.
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: It's mindblock for map
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: to create the chart.
2017-02-14 14:45 Soul Evans: Stop looking at difficulty for that
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: always be smooth stairs.
2017-02-14 14:45 Kawawa: for ranked maps.
2017-02-14 14:45 Soul Evans: its' not the issue here at all lol
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: There are patterns that suit some sections well
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: and can be with harsher patterns
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: you can still make a map hard and better playing
2017-02-14 14:46 Soul Evans: i don't mind if a map is hard at all
2017-02-14 14:48 Kawawa: can you explain the map logically? that why It should not be?
2017-02-14 14:48 Kawawa: The mean about "playable"
2017-02-14 14:48 Soul Evans: I only care about if the pattern suits the section
2017-02-14 14:49 Soul Evans: weather it should be more easier or more harder
2017-02-14 14:49 Soul Evans: like before, i suggested you to make a section with more chords = harder pattern
2017-02-14 14:49 Kawawa: we call "suit" when we can pass it easily.
2017-02-14 14:49 Kawawa: but the problem is our's skill sometimes.
2017-02-14 14:49 Soul Evans: i only call suit if the section/sound calls for the type of pattern
2017-02-14 14:50 Soul Evans: i will suggest hard things, and easy things,or natural things, only to what i see fit
2017-02-14 14:50 Soul Evans: while still
2017-02-14 14:50 Soul Evans: respect mappers choice
2017-02-14 14:51 Kawawa: yeah. so I considering them yet.
2017-02-14 14:51 Kawawa: because actually It was easy to me.
2017-02-14 14:52 Kawawa: oh yeah, honestly I can make them easier. but I wanted to challenge somehing for me :)
2017-02-14 14:52 Soul Evans: i would not like you to make it easy
2017-02-14 14:53 Soul Evans: i would only care if it fits or not
2017-02-14 14:53 Kawawa: so yeah, I don't like that.
2017-02-14 14:55 Kawawa: but actually thanks what you said now.
2017-02-14 14:55 Kawawa: I will consider them once again :)
2017-02-14 14:56 Soul Evans: uhm
2017-02-14 14:57 Soul Evans: 01:06:102 - what do you think about making it a little bit more heavy https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321825
2017-02-14 14:58 Kawawa: what you think about to keep 3jacks?
2017-02-14 14:59 Soul Evans: i thought the beat is loud enough for only 3 chords
2017-02-14 14:59 Soul Evans: so having it be 4 would be more fun i think
2017-02-14 14:59 Soul Evans: and suitable
2017-02-14 15:00 Kawawa: honestly 4 also valid. but hmm I wanted to keep 3jacks for that
2017-02-14 15:00 Kawawa: but If I make it 4 anchor, I can't avoid the 4jack in one of column
2017-02-14 15:00 Kawawa: :(
2017-02-14 15:01 Kawawa: so I'm considering it
2017-02-14 15:02 Soul Evans: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321855
2017-02-14 15:03 Kawawa: btw I have a question
2017-02-14 15:03 Soul Evans: yea sure
2017-02-14 15:03 Kawawa: what you think about? 04:18:589 (258589|6,258589|3,258589|4,258589|0,258670|2,258697|4,258697|5,258751|0,258805|6,258805|5,258832|2,258913|3,258913|6,258913|0) -
2017-02-14 15:03 Kawawa: I'm unsure it.
2017-02-14 15:04 Kawawa: because I stopped the SV, because polyrhythm here.
2017-02-14 15:04 Kawawa: you think 1/4 poly rhythm is better to ignore? And keeping 1/3 SV till 04:18:913 -
2017-02-14 15:06 Soul Evans: i think it would be safer if it was like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7321870
2017-02-14 15:06 Soul Evans: besides the jack on the 6th col is still comboable
2017-02-14 15:07 Kawawa: Is that ok? I stopped SV here suddenly 04:18:913 -
2017-02-14 15:07 Soul Evans: k hold on
2017-02-14 15:08 Soul Evans: yeah i think that's fine
2017-02-14 15:08 Kawawa: really?
2017-02-14 15:08 Soul Evans: probably a bit too sudden using 2x SV after 0.5x but that's just me
2017-02-14 15:08 Kawawa: some peoples are say not good.
2017-02-14 15:09 Kawawa: so I was considering them to remap
2017-02-14 15:09 Soul Evans: i think they are talking about the type of SV you used
2017-02-14 15:09 Soul Evans: btw
2017-02-14 15:10 Kawawa: okay I will continue the question what I unsure something.
2017-02-14 15:10 Kawawa: yeah?
2017-02-14 15:10 Soul Evans: shouldn't this be LN 04:12:427 (252427|6,252427|4,252427|5) -
2017-02-14 15:10 Soul Evans: making these mini lns should be fine
2017-02-14 15:10 Soul Evans: i don't see why not
2017-02-14 15:11 Kawawa: yeah. but I think both are valid. or I should remove this LN too 04:12:589 (252589|4,252589|6) -
2017-02-14 15:11 Kawawa: I considering them
2017-02-14 15:11 Kawawa: maybe you're right
2017-02-14 15:12 Soul Evans: you shouldn't remove that LN honestly
2017-02-14 15:12 Soul Evans: jacking with it isn't hard
2017-02-14 15:12 Kawawa: why?
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: I see alright.
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: lol
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: -haha
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: 04:22:156 - i hear a 1/8 here
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: for like piano
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: the piano?
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: adding a chord and 04:22:237 (262237|4,262237|2,262318|1,262318|5,262399|4,262399|2) -
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: yeah
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: honestly I think so
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: but I really considering them
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: hmm
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: yep
2017-02-14 15:13 Soul Evans: it's ok in my eyes
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: so I don't know yet, but I want to add If I can
2017-02-14 15:13 Kawawa: haha
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: 05:23:454 (323454|1,323454|2,323535|1,323535|2,323616|2,323616|1,323697|2,323697|1) -
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: you like those jack?
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: I'm not good jack skill. but I like jack.
2017-02-14 15:14 Soul Evans: Adding SV to it could be an option
2017-02-14 15:14 Kawawa: oh I added before.
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: but hmm
2017-02-14 15:15 Soul Evans: or since the beat is loud enough you can use a 3 note chord junptrill SV
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: something not suit? I feel
2017-02-14 15:15 Soul Evans: like (123) (567)
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: I see
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: And
2017-02-14 15:15 Kawawa: 04:13:399 (253399|2,253399|0,253481|1,253481|3,253562|2,253562|4,253643|3,253643|5,254048|4,254048|5,254048|6,254048|0,254129|1,254210|2,254210|4,254291|5,254291|3) -
2017-02-14 15:15 Soul Evans: 05:30:264 - i think this could be denser
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: alright,
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: I will add some notes
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: I agree
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: 04:13:399 (253399|2,253399|0,253481|1,253481|3,253562|2,253562|4,253643|3,253643|5,254048|4,254048|5,254048|6,254048|0,254129|1,254210|2,254210|4,254291|5,254291|3) -
2017-02-14 15:16 Soul Evans: for this hmmm
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: I think change something?
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: because same stair patterns
2017-02-14 15:16 Soul Evans: why not add LNs for it instead
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: but I'm not good to see
2017-02-14 15:16 Kawawa: where?
2017-02-14 15:16 Soul Evans: 04:13:399 -
2017-02-14 15:17 Kawawa: hmm
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: hmm
2017-02-14 15:17 Kawawa: because for ACC?
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: nah
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: because of the sound
2017-02-14 15:17 Kawawa: Since I stoped SV here
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: i feel like LN for this type of sound might be an option
2017-02-14 15:17 Soul Evans: since you used LNs previously for all the other sounds that sound just like this one
2017-02-14 15:18 Kawawa: yeah
2017-02-14 15:18 Soul Evans: 04:14:048 - about this
2017-02-14 15:18 Soul Evans: i think it's fine as it is
2017-02-14 15:18 Kawawa: yeah
2017-02-14 15:18 Kawawa: I see.
2017-02-14 15:19 Kawawa: Alright. can you post the chat?
2017-02-14 15:19 Kawawa: I have to go out ;w;
2017-02-14 15:19 Kawawa: I think It already helpful a lots 'w'
2017-02-14 15:19 Soul Evans: sure <3
Alright, Thank you for help me with long time.
I will consider them when I recheck
I'm appreciate it in the future. :)
_underjoy
00:35:778 - I find this pattern mindblockable because it has strange hand balance and anchors, try something like this?

easier for right hand
00:38:372 - and the same thing here

You can also do this:

both patterns are ok, pick what you want.

00:41:291 - is better if you move notes like this:


00:59:778 - this? would be a good balance for jacks (22 and 66)


01:00:832 (60832|6) - ghost note, even if you can hear it's so weak you should delete it anyway

01:04:967 - same as before, try this


01:06:021 (66021|2) - ghost too

01:57:832 - this should be a bigger chord, like 4 or 5 note. It's strong sound.


02:12:751 - This pattern can be more comfortable I think:


02:16:481 (136481|3,136562|4,136643|3) - change these notes (454 to 545), so that you dont press 4 key so many times in a row.

02:30:751 (150751|3,150832|2,150913|3) - left hand is also easy to mindblock, try changing these notes (434 to 343)

02:36:589 (156589|3,156913|3) - put first note in 2 and second in 6 to break key 4 anchor and make it more comfortable.

04:11:129 - I feel this pattern is too easy, so I made another you can use here:


04:12:751 - add notes here, make these LNs [123] because it's strong

04:15:832 (255832|2,255913|1,255994|2) - change (323 to 232) to make pattern more interesting

04:26:859 (266859|5) - move to 4 for more interesting pattern

04:33:183 - better pattern here:


04:36:427 (276427|2,276427|1,276670|1,276670|2,276913|2,276913|1,277075|2,277075|1,277318|2,277318|1) - I think you should make this pattern harder for left hand, make some trills here? because it's hard on right hand and easy for left.

04:38:372 - this pattern is better I think:


04:44:210 - same, you can use more interesting patterns:


04:50:372 - you can rearrange these bursts to be better - some chords are too big and not comfortable (also repetitive):





that's it
Topic Starter
Kawawa

_underjoy wrote:

00:35:778 - I find this pattern mindblockable because it has strange hand balance and anchors, try something like this?

easier for right hand
00:38:372 - and the same thing here

You can also do this:

both patterns are ok, pick what you want.
▲ Alright, Actually I wanted to make right/left jack harder.
I rearranged after consider your patterns. like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7343227
I can pass this pattern without any problem, If It is a issue for the future, I might fix them.


00:41:291 - is better if you move notes like this:

▲Fixed. looks good, and feeling too.


00:59:778 - this? would be a good balance for jacks (22 and 66)

▲It was a intention, fixed. And I added a note on red section. 00:59:940 - for harder
other section too, I did it.


01:00:832 (60832|6) - ghost note, even if you can hear it's so weak you should delete it anyway
There's a hihat, but after I remove this one, I think It's better to emphasize the drum.

01:04:967 - same as before, try this


01:06:021 (66021|2) - ghost too
▲It's not ghost, but done as above.

01:57:832 - this should be a bigger chord, like 4 or 5 note. It's strong sound.

▲some arranged.

02:12:751 - This pattern can be more comfortable I think:

▲looks good.

02:16:481 (136481|3,136562|4,136643|3) - change these notes (454 to 545), so that you dont press 4 key so many times in a row.
▲some arranged the structure

02:30:751 (150751|3,150832|2,150913|3) - left hand is also easy to mindblock, try changing these notes (434 to 343)
I will consider it when I self check whole chart. thanks!

02:36:589 (156589|3,156913|3) - put first note in 2 and second in 6 to break key 4 anchor and make it more comfortable.
▲some arranged the structure

04:11:129 - I feel this pattern is too easy, so I made another you can use here:

▲some arranged. Actually, I already recognized this is too easy. so I will add some notes in this structure later in the future.

04:12:751 - add notes here, make these LNs [123] because it's strong
▲I will consider it.

04:15:832 (255832|2,255913|1,255994|2) - change (323 to 232) to make pattern more interesting
▲Changed.

04:26:859 (266859|5) - move to 4 for more interesting pattern
▲Done.

04:33:183 - better pattern here:

▲Nice. looks good. but I kept it because I really like 47/56 trill. Instead of it, I applied it on last burst one.

04:36:427 (276427|2,276427|1,276670|1,276670|2,276913|2,276913|1,277075|2,277075|1,277318|2,277318|1) - I think you should make this pattern harder for left hand, make some trills here? because it's hard on right hand and easy for left.
▲arranged.

04:38:372 - this pattern is better I think:

▲arranged.

04:44:210 - same, you can use more interesting patterns:

▲arranged.

04:50:372 - you can rearrange these bursts to be better - some chords are too big and not comfortable (also repetitive):





▲some arranged,
but I kept 5chord, because I made a rest when bursted them. 04:50:778 - I might If It was a stream with, could remove a note.

that's it
It was very helpful.
I will try make it better than now.
Thanks for mod! :)
-SoraGami-
Hi Kawawa :3

sorry for late but here it is...
also sorry if i give you a bad mod because i actually dont know how to mod this xD

Column Format:
7K = |1|2|3|4|5|6|7|

[Monochromatic Horizon]
- 00:18:914 (18914|6) - i guess it might be better to move it i the opposite side to emphasize the difference of pitch with 00:17:617 (17617|6) like you did here 02:45:508 (165508|6,166805|0)

- 00:32:859 - i think this should be triple? it has a sound (something like a clap?) that the triples have from what i heard

- 01:47:372 (107372|1,107535|2,107697|3) - make these doubles in this part? it has loud sounds that makes it feel like entering a climax part

- 02:08:291 (128291|3,128454|2,128535|3) - move to 3,4,5? symmetrical pattern with 02:07:967 also i think it is more easier to execute

- 02:26:697 - this seems like uncomfortable, that stacks at column 5 + those 1/4s on the right, i guess you can do like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7376969 or something better

- 03:36:021 - add note here? grace flow for the chime sound, same here too 03:39:589

- 03:39:345 and 03:49:724 - i guess this should be quad too? snare sounds in this part has 4 notes, or maybe that was intentional?

- 04:15:832 - something like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7377024 i think this is more comfortable and as a basis in your patterns for stacks at right here 04:14:372 then left here 04:15:021 so... right too 04:15:670 something like that

- 05:01:562 (301562|0) and 05:09:021 (309021|0) - move both to 3? more comfortable

i hope this can help you somehow

Nice map Goodluck! c:
pporse
23:19 pporse: 모딩
23:19 pporse: 챗으로 해도 되나염
23:19 pporse: 지금 봐도 되나
23:19 Kawawa: 넹
23:20 Kawawa: 우선 컨셉은 잭인데
23:21 pporse: 좀 더 어렵게 하고 싶으신거져?
23:21 Kawawa: 0넹
23:24 Kawawa: 00:35:940 (35940|2,35940|0,36021|2,36021|0,36102|1,36264|0,36264|1,36345|1,36345|0,36427|2,36589|1,36589|2,36670|1,36670|2,36751|0,36913|2,36913|0,36994|0,36994|2,37075|1,37237|1,37237|0,37318|0,37318|1,37399|2,37562|2,37562|1,37643|1,37643|2,37724|0) -
23:24 Kawawa: 흠 이걸 유지할지 말지
23:24 Kawawa: 모르겠는데
23:24 pporse: 전 괜찮아보였어요 거기
23:24 Kawawa: 그래요?
23:25 pporse: 넴
23:28 pporse: 음 건들게 안보이넹
23:28 Kawawa: 04:34:886 (274886|5,275210|3) -
23:29 Kawawa: 이런 노트 고스트같나요
23:29 Kawawa: 04:34:562 (274562|3) -
23:29 Kawawa: 04:36:183 (276183|3) -
23:29 Kawawa: 04:36:508 (276508|5) -
23:29 Kawawa: 04:36:832 (276832|2) -
23:29 Kawawa: 원래 저기가 저런거 빼고
23:29 Kawawa: 드럼쪽에 점프만 살렸었는데
23:29 pporse: 네 음이 없는거 같긴한데
23:30 Kawawa: 추후에 삭제 하긴 해야할듯
23:31 pporse: 아예 컨셉으로
23:31 pporse: 3연타 때려박으면
23:31 pporse: 무자비한가
23:31 Kawawa: 3연타는 너무 무자비할듯
23:32 Kawawa: 01:53:616 -
23:32 Kawawa: 전 이런 부분부터
23:32 Kawawa: 01:57:508 - 여기까지 올라가는 과정에서
23:32 Kawawa: 노트 수를 좀 늘렸으면 하는데
23:32 Kawawa: 그 뿅뿅 거리는 부분에 노트를 추가해야하나
23:32 pporse: 저런거
23:32 pporse: 이브닝하고 진진님이 잘하는데
23:33 Kawawa: 포스님 아엔에도
23:33 Kawawa: 비슷하게 사용되었을텐데
23:33 Kawawa: 3개 유지하면서
23:33 Kawawa: 특정음에 1개 더 추가
23:33 pporse: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7402929
23:33 pporse: 이런느낌으로는 어떰?
23:34 Kawawa: 근데 저렇게 하자니
23:34 Kawawa: 뿅뿅뿅 거리는 부분이
23:34 Kawawa: 불규칙적으로 떨어지지 않나요
23:34 Kawawa: 파란선에서도 나왔다가
23:34 Kawawa: 할텐데
23:34 *Kawawa is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/830448 Yooh - Ice Angel [Euphoria]]
23:34 Kawawa: 04:23:714 -
23:35 Kawawa: 이 패턴 처럼 04:23:714 (263714|3,263982|3,264250|3,264429|3,264697|3,264964|3,265143|3) -
23:35 Kawawa: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7402940
23:35 pporse: 저런식으로 하신다면
23:36 Kawawa: 근데 저런식으로 하자면
23:36 Kawawa: 제가 지금 사용하고 있는 구조가
23:36 Kawawa: 3개 2개 3개 2개 반복인데
23:36 Kawawa: 우선 이 구조를 포기하고 전부 3개로 자연스럽게 바꿔야 하나요
23:37 pporse: 아엔 저 패턴처럼 두두두 하는거하고 뿅뿅 둘다 살릴려면 아예 패턴 바꿔야할거 같은데 음
23:37 pporse: 근데 지금 패턴이 전 너무 맘에 들어서
23:37 Kawawa: 네 저도 그렇게 생각해서
23:37 Kawawa: 저도 패턴을 바꿔야할 것 같은데
23:37 Kawawa: 저런식으로 한다면
23:37 Kawawa: 근데
23:37 Kawawa: 지금 이런식으로 유지하자니
23:38 Kawawa: 솔직히 7성급 스트림 치곤
23:38 Kawawa: 되게 약한거 같은데
23:38 Kawawa: 아닌가요
23:38 pporse: 약하진 않다고 생각함
23:38 Kawawa: 그래요?
23:38 pporse: 읽기 쉬운 패턴이긴한데
23:39 pporse: 너무 7성에 맞춰서 더 어렵게 해야겠다 라기보다는
23:40 pporse: 그냥 패턴 짜보니 7성이네 라는 식으로 하는게
23:40 Kawawa: 그렇군요
23:40 pporse: 패턴 완성도만 보면 더 좋은 느낌
23:40 Kawawa: 02:08:535 - ~ 02:08:697 -
23:40 Kawawa: 요기 1/8로 들리나요?
23:40 Kawawa: 드르르륵 한번 걸리는거같은데
23:41 Kawawa: 나만 그렇게 들리나
23:42 pporse: 음..
23:43 Kawawa: 처음엔 1/8이었는데
23:43 Kawawa: 바꿔버려서
23:44 pporse: 정확히는 모르겠네요
23:44 pporse: 소리가 약간 뭉갠 느낌이라
23:44 Kawawa: 그렇군요
23:44 pporse: 근데 드럼 실제로 쳤던 경험으로는
23:44 pporse: 저부분은 16비트를 해야 더 어울린다고는 생각하는데
23:45 pporse: 이건 작곡가 마음이니 =ㅅ=
23:45 Kawawa: 흠
23:45 pporse: 02:18:913 - 이부분
23:45 Kawawa: 04:18:589 -
23:45 Kawawa: 이 부분
23:46 Kawawa: 여기서 확 변속을 끊어놔서
23:46 pporse: 어렵게 할수있지 않을까여
23:46 Kawawa: 음
23:46 Kawawa: 그 부분 바꾸고 싶긴한데
23:46 Kawawa: 아이디어가 없더라구요
23:46 pporse: 피아노가 1/12 인가
23:46 Kawawa: 피아노로 단놋으로 바꿀 수 있기 한데
23:46 Kawawa: 1/8 1/12 둘다 써도 될거에요
23:47 pporse: 저부분은 확실히 어렵게 고치는게 나을거 같으요
23:48 Kawawa: 근데 고치자니
23:48 Kawawa: 02:19:562 (139562|1,139562|5,139562|6,139562|0) -
23:48 pporse: 지금은 저 파트 느낌에 비해 너무 쉬운거 같음
23:48 Kawawa: 윗 부분 여기 1267을 유지하면서
23:48 Kawawa: 02:18:913 (138913|3) - 이걸 안쓰자니 밑패턴에서 좀 이쁘게 나오기 힘든거같은데
23:48 Kawawa: 아이디어가 있을까요
23:51 pporse: 음
23:52 pporse: 피아노는
23:52 pporse: 1/8 1/12 암꺼나 써도 되려나여
23:52 Kawawa: 넹
23:52 Kawawa: 근데 1/8로 쓰면
23:52 Kawawa: 아랫부분 1/12쓴거도 다 바꿔얗라듯
23:58 pporse: dma
23:59 Kawawa: 전 뭔가
23:59 Kawawa: 이런 느낌 내고싶어요
23:59 Kawawa: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7403157
23:59 Kawawa: 절반은 피아노 1/8로 좀 그어주고
23:59 Kawawa: 근데 뭔가 자꾸 애매하게 나오네..
00:00 Kawawa: 저거 근데 내가 못쳐서 모르겠는데
00:00 pporse: 제 생각엔
00:00 pporse: 바꾼다면
00:00 pporse: 02:18:264 - 여기서부터 바꿔야 한다고 봐서
00:00 pporse: 전 여기서부터 바꿔보는중
00:01 Kawawa: 네 거기도 바꿔야할듯하구
00:01 Kawawa: 맘에안들어서
00:01 pporse: 다소 무리한 배치 해보는 중인데
00:03 Kawawa: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7403187
00:03 Kawawa: 이거 ㄴ어떤가요
00:03 Kawawa: 아 근데 칠수나 있남
00:04 pporse: 칠수는 있음
00:04 pporse: ㅚ수분들 보면
00:04 pporse: 칠수 있을까 하는것도 다 치심
00:04 Kawawa: 저거 좋아보여요?
00:04 pporse: 8성 이하로는 거의 다
00:04 pporse: 음
00:04 pporse: 저는 1/12 쓰는 중인데
00:05 Kawawa: 오호
00:05 Kawawa: 1/12쓰면
00:05 Kawawa: 1/4마다 2놋 못넣죠?
00:05 Kawawa: 무리라서
00:05 pporse: 아마도 넴
00:09 pporse: 음
00:09 pporse: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7403228
00:09 pporse: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7403234
00:10 Kawawa: 02:18:751 - 02:18:832 -
00:10 Kawawa: 요기 왜 4개에요?
00:10 pporse: 음..그냥 임팩트 주려고 좀더 추가한거긴한데
00:12 Kawawa: 음 근데
00:12 Kawawa: 피아노가 확실히 절반에서
00:12 Kawawa: 끊기긴 하네요
00:12 pporse: 그 끊기는 부분부터 좀 고민해봤는데
00:12 pporse: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7403234 이렇게 라든가
00:13 Kawawa: 근데 확실히
00:13 Kawawa: 감이 잡히긴 했어요
00:14 Kawawa: 비슷하게 연구좀 해봐야할듯
00:14 Kawawa: 이정도로 포스트 하셔도 됩니다
00:14 Kawawa: 대강 리맵때 뭘해야할지 각이 나오네요
00:14 pporse: 02:23:454 - 그리고 이부분
00:14 pporse: 개인적으로는
00:15 pporse: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7403274
00:15 pporse: 이런식으로 연타로 넣는게 나아보여씀
00:15 Kawawa: 저 파트가 여기랑 02:02:697 - 맞춘거긴 한데
00:15 Kawawa: 잭도 생각해보긴 했는데
00:15 pporse: `저부분도
00:15 pporse: 딱 2연타 맛깔나게 나올만한 부분인데
00:15 Kawawa: 근데 밑에
00:16 Kawawa: 1개가 있어서
00:16 Kawawa: 딱따닥 딱따닥
00:16 Kawawa: 이게 뭔가 치는감이 그렇더라구요
00:16 Kawawa: 노트가 2개면 모르겠는데
00:16 Kawawa: 1개로 해버리니
00:16 pporse: 흠
00:17 Kawawa: 저기도 고려해볼게요
00:17 pporse: 02:02:697 - 이부분 저라면
00:17 pporse: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7403293 요렇게 했을거 같음
00:17 Kawawa: 저기 예전에
00:17 Kawawa: 저랬었는데
00:18 Kawawa: 그땐 변속이 없었어요
00:18 Kawawa: 흠
00:18 Kawawa: 예전이 나으려나
00:18 Kawawa: 뭔가 해당 파트가 미세하게
00:18 Kawawa: 약한 느낌을 받아서
00:18 Kawawa: 노트 수 줄이면서
00:18 Kawawa: 변속넣은거긴한데
00:18 pporse: 지금 너무 빈약해보여서
00:19 Kawawa: 그렇군요
00:21 Kawawa: 아 고민되네
00:26 pporse: 04:22:481 (262481|5,262481|0,262481|6,262481|1,262562|2,262562|3,262643|5,262643|4,262724|2,262724|3,262805|1,262805|5,262805|0,262805|6,262886|4,262886|3,262967|1,262967|5,262967|6,262967|0,263048|2,263129|5,263129|6,263129|0,263129|1) -
00:26 pporse: 여기 드럼박자하고 노트 느낌이 좀 안 어울리는 느낌이던데
00:27 Kawawa: 저게 드럼에 2개씩주고
00:27 Kawawa: 04:22:643 - 이런 부분에 드럼이 없지만 메인 멜로디 라고해야하나
00:27 Kawawa: 거기에도 2개씩줘서
00:27 Kawawa: 04:22:805 (262805|5,262967|5,263129|5) - 여기가 4개가 된거긴한데
00:27 Kawawa: 흠 애매하군요
00:28 pporse: 04:22:805 - 여기가 애매해서
00:28 Kawawa: 그렇네요
00:28 Kawawa: 차라리 롱놋으로 표현해주는게
00:28 Kawawa: 나을지도 모르겠네
00:28 pporse: 드득 드득 하는걸 걍 연타로 표현하는건 어때여?
00:28 pporse: 드득 득 득드 인가
00:29 Kawawa: 드득 득 득드인듯
00:29 Kawawa: 04:22:805 -
00:29 Kawawa: 아 그렇네
00:29 Kawawa: 여기가 왜 4개지 노트가
00:29 Kawawa: ㅋㅋㅋ
00:30 pporse: 04:33:183 - 여기 3번째 자리 빈게 뭔가 아쉬웠음.. 들리는 음이 적어서 안쓰신거 같지만..
00:30 pporse: 저라면 걍 넣었을듯 ㅋㅋ
00:30 Kawawa: 음
00:30 Kawawa: 레이팅 넘 높아지는걸
00:30 Kawawa: 원치않아서
00:38 pporse: 음 그뒤로는
00:38 pporse: 모딩할게 안보이는듯
00:38 pporse: 혹시 체크 원하시는곳 잇나여
00:38 Kawawa: 아녀
00:38 Kawawa: 그정도면 전 됐어요
00:38 pporse: 넴
00:38 Kawawa: 리맵때 확실히 개선할수 있을듯 하네요
00:39 Kawawa: 감사합니다 껄껄
00:39 pporse: 껄껄

챗 모딩
Garalulu
M4M

column
1|2|3|4|5|6|7

[Monochromatic Horizon]
01:57:994 - 01:58:156 - 이런 부분은 2연타로 표현하는 게 느낌이 더 살 것 같네요

02:03:832 - 02:03:994 - 5 6 7 7 6 5로 내려가는 계단보단 02:03:183 - 02:03:345 - 와 대칭되는 구조로 표현하는 것도 좋겠습니다. 아니면 02:02:697 (122697|4,122697|5,122697|6,122697|3,122697|0) - 와 대칭으로 표현해도 좋구요

03:54:264 - 03:54:751 - How about this? 03:53:291 - 03:53:616 - 와 비슷한 구조로서 연결된다는 느낌이 나게 합니다.

04:03:832 (243832|0,243832|1,243994|0,243994|1,244156|1,244156|0,244318|2,244318|0,244318|1) - 살짝 뭉쳐있는 감이 마음에 걸리네요. 04:04:156 (244156|1,244318|2) - 를 한칸씩만 옮겨도 깔끔합니다.

04:25:886 - 04:26:048 - How about this? 피아노의 동일한 음을 고려해서 배치해보았습니다. 04:45:427 (285427|2,285427|4,285508|2,285508|4) - 여기 표현처럼요!

05:01:562 (301562|0) - 1 2 1 구조를 일부로 만들 필요는 없을 것 같네요. 개인적으로는 3에 있는 게 좋습니다.

05:07:886 - 05:08:210 - 단놋을 제거해 롱놋 2개로만 표현하는 게 상황을 환기시키기에 좋네요. example

05:17:940 - 05:18:589 - ^ example

chex
leqek
러브드 각
Topic Starter
Kawawa

Garalulu wrote:

M4M

column
1|2|3|4|5|6|7

[Monochromatic Horizon]
01:57:994 - 01:58:156 - 이런 부분은 2연타로 표현하는 게 느낌이 더 살 것 같네요 Consider

02:03:832 - 02:03:994 - 5 6 7 7 6 5로 내려가는 계단보단 02:03:183 - 02:03:345 - 와 대칭되는 구조로 표현하는 것도 좋겠습니다. 아니면 02:02:697 (122697|4,122697|5,122697|6,122697|3,122697|0) - 와 대칭으로 표현해도 좋구요

03:54:264 - 03:54:751 - How about this? 03:53:291 - 03:53:616 - 와 비슷한 구조로서 연결된다는 느낌이 나게 합니다. Consider

04:03:832 (243832|0,243832|1,243994|0,243994|1,244156|1,244156|0,244318|2,244318|0,244318|1) - 살짝 뭉쳐있는 감이 마음에 걸리네요. 04:04:156 (244156|1,244318|2) - 를 한칸씩만 옮겨도 깔끔합니다. 요기는 추후에 변경하겠소.

04:25:886 - 04:26:048 - How about this? 피아노의 동일한 음을 고려해서 배치해보았습니다. 04:45:427 (285427|2,285427|4,285508|2,285508|4) - 여기 표현처럼요! 표현한 의도가 다르기 때문에 NO.제안은 감사합니다.

05:01:562 (301562|0) - 1 2 1 구조를 일부로 만들 필요는 없을 것 같네요. 개인적으로는 3에 있는 게 좋습니다.
It's okay

05:07:886 - 05:08:210 - 단놋을 제거해 롱놋 2개로만 표현하는 게 상황을 환기시키기에 좋네요. example

05:17:940 - 05:18:589 - ^ example
의도였으나 반영해야 할 필요성은 보이니 consider

chex
Thx
Topic Starter
Kawawa

-SoraGami- wrote:

Hi Kawawa :3

sorry for late but here it is...
also sorry if i give you a bad mod because i actually dont know how to mod this xD

Column Format:
7K = |1|2|3|4|5|6|7|

[Monochromatic Horizon]
- 00:18:914 (18914|6) - i guess it might be better to move it i the opposite side to emphasize the difference of pitch with 00:17:617 (17617|6) like you did here 02:45:508 (165508|6,166805|0)
I think It's okay because there's no issue for any playble. but I will consider it when I remap.

- 00:32:859 - i think this should be triple? it has a sound (something like a clap?) that the triples have from what i heard
I could not hear them. but I think you also right. both are vaild.

- 01:47:372 (107372|1,107535|2,107697|3) - make these doubles in this part? it has loud sounds that makes it feel like entering a climax part
I will consider it when I remap this part! thanks for feedback.

- 02:08:291 (128291|3,128454|2,128535|3) - move to 3,4,5? symmetrical pattern with 02:07:967 also i think it is more easier to execute
Some arranged.

- 02:26:697 - this seems like uncomfortable, that stacks at column 5 + those 1/4s on the right, i guess you can do like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7376969 or something better
Some arranged.

- 03:36:021 - add note here? grace flow for the chime sound, same here too 03:39:589
I ignored them. I think they're not necessary for slow jam part.

- 03:39:345 and 03:49:724 - i guess this should be quad too? snare sounds in this part has 4 notes, or maybe that was intentional?
ya, intention. but I will consider it later

- 04:15:832 - something like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7377024 i think this is more comfortable and as a basis in your patterns for stacks at right here 04:14:372 then left here 04:15:021 so... right too 04:15:670 something like that
will consider when remap.

- 05:01:562 (301562|0) and 05:09:021 (309021|0) - move both to 3? more comfortable
It's okay

i hope this can help you somehow

Nice map Goodluck! c:
Thanks for your time! c:
Topic Starter
Kawawa
Alright, I got enough feedback to all the modding.
I think the time is there now.
I will self-check and remap them slowly!
Thanks for helping me to all! :)
Niks
for loved?
Murumoo
러브드로 가버렷
Topic Starter
Kawawa
Remapped by feedback.
Self check too.
Lirai
reject ponywawa
Fresh Chicken

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2017-04-22 21:56 Kawawa: Hi
2017-04-22 21:56 Kawawa: pony boy
2017-04-22 21:56 Kawawa: long time no C
2017-04-22 21:56 Fresh Chicken: yeah
2017-04-22 21:56 Kawawa: yeah
2017-04-22 21:57 Fresh Chicken: 음 근데 이거사실 패턴 잡을게 몆개 어ㅏㅂ석든요
2017-04-22 21:57 Fresh Chicken: 없거든요
2017-04-22 21:57 Fresh Chicken: 근데 제가 또 문제가 쿠도를 받고싶어요
2017-04-22 21:58 Kawawa: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
2017-04-22 21:58 Kawawa: 제가 unsure한게
2017-04-22 21:58 Kawawa: 몇개 있는데
2017-04-22 21:58 Fresh Chicken: 웨얼 알 데이?
2017-04-22 21:59 Kawawa: 우선 변속 3군데\
2017-04-22 21:59 Kawawa: 00:56:859 - 요기 그 치킨님이 제안해주신거 기억하시죠
2017-04-22 21:59 Fresh Chicken: 예
2017-04-22 21:59 Kawawa: 근데 이게 더 상향 될 방법이 없을까요
2017-04-22 21:59 Fresh Chicken: 아 변속을 더 쎼게요?
2017-04-22 22:00 Kawawa: 이게 간격 공식으론 맞나요?
2017-04-22 22:00 Kawawa: 그때 제가 약간 변경했던걸로 기억하는데
2017-04-22 22:00 Fresh Chicken: 음 간격공식으로는 틀렸어요
2017-04-22 22:00 Fresh Chicken: 1/4로 나눠진 상태에서 더해야되는데
2017-04-22 22:00 Fresh Chicken: 이건 쉴드가 있어서 1/3 이 됬거든요
2017-04-22 22:00 Kawawa: 간격 공식은 맞아야 할거같은데
2017-04-22 22:00 Kawawa: 어떻게 생각하세요?
2017-04-22 22:00 Fresh Chicken: 간격을 3개로 나눠야하는 상황에는 .33333333333으로 되어버리는지라
2017-04-22 22:00 Kawawa: 흠
2017-04-22 22:00 Fresh Chicken: 음 일단 공식맞춰서 만들어드리는거는 괜찮은데
2017-04-22 22:00 Fresh Chicken: 지금이거보더ㅏ
2017-04-22 22:00 Fresh Chicken: 이거보다
2017-04-22 22:00 Fresh Chicken: 쎈 변속을
2017-04-22 22:00 Fresh Chicken: 사용하고싶으신거죠?
2017-04-22 22:01 Kawawa: 이 상태로도 좋긴한데
2017-04-22 22:01 Kawawa: 쎄다하다는게 무슨 느낌으로 변경되는거져
2017-04-22 22:01 Fresh Chicken: 어 이거들 더해서 2.5구나 그러면 간격으로 맞네
2017-04-22 22:01 Fresh Chicken: 그
2017-04-22 22:01 Fresh Chicken: 이렇게 쓕 내려오는게
2017-04-22 22:01 Kawawa: 더 순간적으로 확 와닿는건가?
2017-04-22 22:01 Fresh Chicken: 훨씬 더 강렬하게 내려오는거죠
2017-04-22 22:01 Fresh Chicken: 음 뭐라고해야되ㅏ지
2017-04-22 22:01 Kawawa: 아 이게 전부 간격으로 맞아요?
2017-04-22 22:01 Fresh Chicken: 지금은 쓔우욱 펑 인데
2017-04-22 22:01 Fresh Chicken: 네 보니까 맞아요
2017-04-22 22:02 Kawawa: 그렇군요
2017-04-22 22:02 Fresh Chicken: 33.3 x 2 = 66.6 and 66.6 x 0.5 = 33.3 이니까 99.9
2017-04-22 22:02 Fresh Chicken: 0.1은 개미만한 차이니까 사실상 맞아요
2017-04-22 22:02 Kawawa: 01:03:670 - ~ 01:04:237 -
2017-04-22 22:02 Kawawa: 그럼 여기도 맞나보네요
2017-04-22 22:02 Kawawa: 비슷한 원리로 사용되었던걸로 기억하니
2017-04-22 22:03 Fresh Chicken: 여기
2017-04-22 22:03 Fresh Chicken: 네 맞아요
2017-04-22 22:03 Kawawa: 음 그럼 ㅂ변속은
2017-04-22 22:03 Kawawa: 04:55:237 - 여기랑 05:42:589 - 여기
2017-04-22 22:04 Kawawa: 이 두군데는 간격 공식상 틀렸죠?
2017-04-22 22:04 Fresh Chicken: 첫번째꺼는 일단 틀렸고
2017-04-22 22:05 Fresh Chicken: 네 틀렸네요 두개다
2017-04-22 22:05 Kawawa: 역시
2017-04-22 22:05 Kawawa: 저런 느낌으로 간격 맞춰서 해결방안을 구할 수 있을까요
2017-04-22 22:05 Fresh Chicken: 당근빳따아뉩니까
2017-04-22 22:05 Fresh Chicken: 일단
2017-04-22 22:05 Fresh Chicken: 04:55:237 - 여기는
2017-04-22 22:05 Kawawa: 변속이 우선 간격을 무조건 맞추는걸 가정하에
2017-04-22 22:05 Kawawa: 짜야하는거에요?
2017-04-22 22:05 Fresh Chicken: 04:55:237 - 0.5 04:55:481 - 2.5 를 사용하는 방법
2017-04-22 22:05 Fresh Chicken: 아니요 솔직히
2017-04-22 22:06 Fresh Chicken: 어느정도 적정선의 오차라면 괜찮아요
2017-04-22 22:06 Fresh Chicken: 아니면 감으로 떄려맞출수있는 그런 변속도 괜찮고
2017-04-22 22:06 Fresh Chicken: 감으로 떄려맞추는건 마스형이 잘만드는데
2017-04-22 22:06 Fresh Chicken: 저는 그런걸 잘 못해서 ㅋㅋ
2017-04-22 22:06 Kawawa: 저기 근데
2017-04-22 22:06 Kawawa: 0.5 2.5하면
2017-04-22 22:06 Kawawa: 확 떨어지는 임패긑가
2017-04-22 22:06 Kawawa: 임팩트가 부족해서
2017-04-22 22:07 Fresh Chicken: 임팩트를 더 살리시고싶다면
2017-04-22 22:07 Fresh Chicken: 극단적인 방법이 하나
2017-04-22 22:07 Fresh Chicken: 있긴하죠ㅕㅕ
2017-04-22 22:07 Fresh Chicken: 1/8 또는 1/16 변속을 사용하는 방법은데
2017-04-22 22:07 Fresh Chicken: 1/16은 10배속을 넘어버릴수있으니 패스
2017-04-22 22:07 Kawawa: 딱 지금 넣은 0.25 3.1처럼
2017-04-22 22:07 Kawawa: 확떨어지게 하고 싶은데,
2017-04-22 22:07 Fresh Chicken: 네 그런식으루요
2017-04-22 22:08 Kawawa: 공식 간격을 맞춰서 넣자니 안되던거 같더라구요
2017-04-22 22:09 Fresh Chicken: 04:55:237 - 0.5 04:55:521 - 4.5
2017-04-22 22:09 Fresh Chicken: 해보ㅓ실래요?
2017-04-22 22:09 Fresh Chicken: 1/8
2017-04-22 22:10 Kawawa: 음 뭔가 약간 느리게 떨어지는데
2017-04-22 22:11 Fresh Chicken: 음 그러면
2017-04-22 22:11 Fresh Chicken: 0.5 를 0.3으로 4.5를 4.7로
2017-04-22 22:11 Fresh Chicken: 해보세욧
2017-04-22 22:11 Kawawa: 0.2 4.8로
2017-04-22 22:11 Kawawa: 해도 되겠네요?
2017-04-22 22:12 Fresh Chicken: 네
2017-04-22 22:12 Fresh Chicken: 0.1 4.9까지도 되지요
2017-04-22 22:12 Kawawa: 0.2 4.8은 뭔가 아쉽고
2017-04-22 22:12 Kawawa: 0.1 4.9는 확 멈추네
2017-04-22 22:12 Kawawa: 0.15 4.85는 되요?
2017-04-22 22:12 Kawawa: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
2017-04-22 22:12 Fresh Chicken: 네 되죠 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
2017-04-22 22:12 Fresh Chicken: 소숫점 두자리 수까지
2017-04-22 22:12 Fresh Chicken: 되요
2017-04-22 22:12 Kawawa: 0.15 4.85는
2017-04-22 22:13 Kawawa: 괜찮아보이나요
2017-04-22 22:13 Kawawa: 아 0.2 4.8할게요.
2017-04-22 22:13 Fresh Chicken: 0.15는 뭔가 너무 확 오는 느낌이 강한듯싶은디
2017-04-22 22:13 Fresh Chicken: 02 가 나은듯 제생각에도
2017-04-22 22:13 Kawawa: 넹
2017-04-22 22:14 Fresh Chicken: 05:42:589 - 여기는
2017-04-22 22:14 Fresh Chicken: 중간에 2 가
2017-04-22 22:14 Fresh Chicken: 보니까 확 와버려서 당황하게 되더라구요
2017-04-22 22:14 Fresh Chicken: 천천히 내려오다가
2017-04-22 22:14 Fresh Chicken: 05:43:237 - 얘를 확 강조하고싶으신변속이죠?
2017-04-22 22:14 Kawawa: 네
2017-04-22 22:15 Fresh Chicken: 05:43:075 - 2.0 없에도 저는 괜찮다고 보는데
2017-04-22 22:15 Fresh Chicken: 음 일단 시도해보시겠어여
2017-04-22 22:15 Kawawa: 0.6 0.8 1.0
2017-04-22 22:15 Kawawa: 이거만요?
2017-04-22 22:15 Fresh Chicken: 네
2017-04-22 22:16 Kawawa: 약간 밋밋하긴한데
2017-04-22 22:16 Kawawa: 1.0을 1.4로 바꿔도 되지 않나요?
2017-04-22 22:16 Kawawa: 05:43:075 - 여기가 1.4가 되어야하나
2017-04-22 22:16 Fresh Chicken: 05:43:035 - 여기가 1.4가 되면 맞아요
2017-04-22 22:17 Fresh Chicken: 아 아니다
2017-04-22 22:17 Fresh Chicken: 1.2 가 맞네요
2017-04-22 22:17 Fresh Chicken: 1. Offset: 1,078ms BPM: 185.00
2017-04-22 22:17 Fresh Chicken: 아이런 슈발
2017-04-22 22:17 Fresh Chicken: 아 아니라
2017-04-22 22:17 Fresh Chicken: 그 간격을 무조건 1로 맞춰야 되는게아니라
2017-04-22 22:17 Fresh Chicken: 얘가 슬로우잼이 들어갔잖아요 0.6 으로
2017-04-22 22:17 Fresh Chicken: 그럼 0.6으로 간격을 맞춰주는 방법이있거든요
2017-04-22 22:18 Kawawa: 오호 그렇군요
2017-04-22 22:18 Kawawa: 0.6 0.8 1.2로 두자니
2017-04-22 22:18 Kawawa: 뭔가 넘 느리게 떨어지네
2017-04-22 22:18 Fresh Chicken: 05:42:589 - 0.8 05:42:913 - 0.4 05:43:035 - 1.2 05:43:156 - 1
2017-04-22 22:18 Fresh Chicken: 해보실래여
2017-04-22 22:20 Kawawa: 0.6 0.8 1.2로
2017-04-22 22:20 Kawawa: 우선 유지해볼게요
2017-04-22 22:20 Fresh Chicken: 오케이데스
2017-04-22 22:20 Fresh Chicken: 저 잠시만요
2017-04-22 22:20 Fresh Chicken: 자꾸 뱃속에서 악마가
2017-04-22 22:20 Kawawa: 0.8 0.4 1.2는 저기 0.4에서 1.2로 넘어가는데 한텀 끊기고 들어가서 약간 아쉽네요
2017-04-22 22:20 Kawawa: ㅠㅠ
2017-04-22 22:20 Fresh Chicken: 나올려하는데
2017-04-22 22:20 Kawawa: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
2017-04-22 22:20 Kawawa: 네
2017-04-22 22:28 Fresh Chicken: 암 백
2017-04-22 22:28 Fresh Chicken: 또 다른 퀘스쵼이 있으신가요
2017-04-22 22:28 Kawawa: Hi
2017-04-22 22:28 Kawawa: long time no C
2017-04-22 22:28 Fresh Chicken: yeah
2017-04-22 22:28 Kawawa: 패턴은 치킨님이
2017-04-22 22:29 Kawawa: 말하시는거 이후
2017-04-22 22:29 Kawawa: 퀘스쵼 해드릴게요
2017-04-22 22:29 Fresh Chicken: 사실 패턴 그닥 볼게없는게[
2017-04-22 22:29 Fresh Chicken: 전 먼저 쳐보고 그냥 제 삘에 꼴리는걸 잡는데
2017-04-22 22:29 Fresh Chicken: 이건 몆번 쳐봤는데
2017-04-22 22:29 Fresh Chicken: 뭔가 에디터내에서 잡아야할만한 것들이 실제로 쳐보면 상당히 잘쳐져셔ㅓ
2017-04-22 22:29 Fresh Chicken: 패턴에는 그닥 지적할게 없을듯 싶네여
2017-04-22 22:29 Fresh Chicken: 베리 구조적 패턴 오케이?
2017-04-22 22:30 Kawawa: OK
2017-04-22 22:30 Fresh Chicken: 낫띵 아덜쓰?
2017-04-22 22:31 Kawawa: 흠
2017-04-22 22:31 Kawawa: 그럼 제가
2017-04-22 22:31 Kawawa: 퀘스쵼하죠
2017-04-22 22:31 Fresh Chicken: 예
2017-04-22 22:31 Kawawa: 02:17:251 (137251|1,137291|4,137291|2,137332|5,137372|6,137372|3,137413|2,137454|1,137454|5,137494|4,137535|0,137535|3,137575|1,137616|6,137616|4,137616|5,137616|2) -
2017-04-22 22:31 Kawawa: 02:17:291 (137291|4,137291|2,137332|5,137372|6,137372|3,137413|2,137454|1,137454|5,137494|4,137535|0,137535|3,137575|1,137616|6,137616|4,137616|5,137616|2) -
2017-04-22 22:31 Kawawa: 제가 이쪽을 원래
2017-04-22 22:31 Kawawa: 02:17:372 - 02:17:535 - 이런곳에 2노트를 안스고\
2017-04-22 22:32 Kawawa: 02:17:291 - 02:17:454 - 02:17:616 - 쾅쾅쾅하는곳에만 3,4개로 두고 나머지 1/8을 1개씩 뒀는데,
2017-04-22 22:32 Kawawa: 뭐가 나은거 같나요?
2017-04-22 22:32 Kawawa: 02:17:372 (137372|6,137372|3,137454|5,137454|1,137535|3,137535|0) - 솔직히 여기 2개 넣는거에 의미가 있는거로 보이나요
2017-04-22 22:33 Fresh Chicken: 1/4에는 2개, 1/8에는 하나씩 넣었다 이걸 의도하면 넘어가는 패턴인데 제눈에는 그닥 문제점은 보이지 않지만
2017-04-22 22:33 Fresh Chicken: 02:17:291 - 02:17:454 - 주관적으로는 이런 멜로디있는곳, 그리고 쾅쾅이에만 두개씩 넣었을듯 싶어요
2017-04-22 22:33 Kawawa: 저도 그렇게 생각하는데
2017-04-22 22:33 Kawawa: 그게 너무 뻔하기도 해서
2017-04-22 22:35 Fresh Chicken: 확실히 뻔하긴 해요
2017-04-22 22:35 Fresh Chicken: 일단 저는 그 두개다 문제가 없다고 판단해요
2017-04-22 22:36 Kawawa: 흠 애매하네
2017-04-22 22:36 Kawawa: 우선 킵할게요
2017-04-22 22:36 Fresh Chicken: 네 저도 킵해도 문제없다고 판단
2017-04-22 22:37 Kawawa: 05:18:264 - 이런건 상관없어보이나요?
2017-04-22 22:37 Kawawa: 잠깐 저배속 넣는거
2017-04-22 22:37 Fresh Chicken: 아 맞아 저거
2017-04-22 22:37 Fresh Chicken: 저거는 솔직히
2017-04-22 22:37 Fresh Chicken: 0.85 정도가 맞다고ㅓ
2017-04-22 22:37 Fresh Chicken: 생각해요 저는
2017-04-22 22:37 Kawawa: 0.85가 근데
2017-04-22 22:38 Kawawa: 하자니 너무 체감이
2017-04-22 22:38 Kawawa: 없더라구요
2017-04-22 22:38 Fresh Chicken: 근데 그게 판정에 차이가 나버리더라구요
2017-04-22 22:38 Fresh Chicken: 드레드노트 짜면서 느낀건데
2017-04-22 22:38 Fresh Chicken: 사람들 판정내는게 0.85하고 0.8하고
2017-04-22 22:38 Fresh Chicken: 다르더라구요
2017-04-22 22:38 Kawawa: 음
2017-04-22 22:39 Kawawa: 05:39:021 - 05:28:643 - 05:18:264 - 05:07:886 - 00:43:237 -
2017-04-22 22:39 Kawawa: 전부 0.85로
2017-04-22 22:39 Kawawa: 바꿨어요
2017-04-22 22:39 Fresh Chicken: 야쓰
2017-04-22 22:39 Kawawa: 00:51:183 - 여기는
2017-04-22 22:39 Kawawa: 0.8로 안바꿨긴한데
2017-04-22 22:40 Kawawa: 아니 0.85로 안바꿨긴한데
2017-04-22 22:40 Kawawa: 어떻게 생각하세요
2017-04-22 22:40 Fresh Chicken: 음 저기는
2017-04-22 22:40 Fresh Chicken: 음
2017-04-22 22:40 Kawawa: 아마 0.85로
2017-04-22 22:40 Kawawa: 해야할거같긴한데
2017-04-22 22:40 Kawawa: 일관성면이나 의도면이나
2017-04-22 22:40 Fresh Chicken: 전 00:51:345 - 여기가 갑자기 1로 바뀌어버려서 좀 당황스럽다고 생각하거든요
2017-04-22 22:40 Fresh Chicken: 그럼 0.85로 바꾸고
2017-04-22 22:40 Fresh Chicken: 1/16으로해서
2017-04-22 22:40 Kawawa: 00:51:183 - 0.85 00:51:345 - 1이요?
2017-04-22 22:41 Fresh Chicken: 00:51:345 - 여기서 부터 0.86 0.87 ... 1 로 이렇게 올리는게 좋을거같아요
2017-04-22 22:41 Fresh Chicken: 네
2017-04-22 22:41 Fresh Chicken: 갑자기 슬로우잼에서 1배속이 되니까
2017-04-22 22:41 Fresh Chicken: 살짝 당황스러운 느낌이 있어요
2017-04-22 22:41 Kawawa: 음 근데
2017-04-22 22:41 Kawawa: 1/16부터 1로 짜잘하게 올리기에는
2017-04-22 22:41 Kawawa: 저 롱놋에서 판정이 갈리지 않을까요
2017-04-22 22:41 Fresh Chicken: 일단 저였으면 그렇게 아마 썼을거에요
2017-04-22 22:41 Fresh Chicken: ㅇㅅㅇ
2017-04-22 22:42 Fresh Chicken: 근데 판단은
2017-04-22 22:42 Fresh Chicken: 당신의 몫이요
2017-04-22 22:42 Kawawa: 음 우선 유지하겠소
2017-04-22 22:42 Fresh Chicken: 예.
2017-04-22 22:42 Fresh Chicken: 근데 이거 또 키아이 남용으로
2017-04-22 22:42 Fresh Chicken: 뭐라하느,ㄴ거 아녜요?ㅋㅋ
2017-04-22 22:42 Kawawa: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
2017-04-22 22:42 Kawawa: 설마요
2017-04-22 22:42 Kawawa: 근데 그렇게 남용같지도 않은데
2017-04-22 22:43 Fresh Chicken: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ그렇겠져
2017-04-22 22:43 Kawawa: 제 퀘스쵼은 이게 끝이오
2017-04-22 22:44 Fresh Chicken: 음 그렇다면
2017-04-22 22:44 Kawawa: 02:32:616 (152616|0,152616|4) - 뭐 이런곳
2017-04-22 22:44 Kawawa: 2놋 썼는데
2017-04-22 22:44 Fresh Chicken: Do you...wanna bubble...?
2017-04-22 22:44 Kawawa: 상관 없어보이죠?
2017-04-22 22:44 Fresh Chicken: 네 그닥
2017-04-22 22:44 Fresh Chicken: 문제되지도않고
2017-04-22 22:44 Fresh Chicken: 오히려 하나 지우면 못생겨질듯
2017-04-22 22:44 Kawawa: OD HP
2017-04-22 22:44 Kawawa: 너프할까요?
2017-04-22 22:44 Kawawa: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
2017-04-22 22:45 Fresh Chicken: OD는 변속이 좀 있는지라
2017-04-22 22:45 Fresh Chicken: 그대로 놔두시는게 좋아요
2017-04-22 22:45 Kawawa: 아뇨 8.5 밑으로
2017-04-22 22:45 Kawawa: 8.5도 과하다고 생각하기 ㄴ한데
2017-04-22 22:45 Kawawa: 8.2정도로 해야하지 않나 싶기도 하고
2017-04-22 22:45 Fresh Chicken: 사실상 8이 최적이긴 해요OD는
2017-04-22 22:45 Kawawa: 8.2 / 9.1?
2017-04-22 22:45 Kawawa: 8.0 / 9.1
2017-04-22 22:46 Fresh Chicken: 네 그것도 괜차는듯
2017-04-22 22:46 Kawawa: 8.3 9로 할게요.
2017-04-22 22:47 Fresh Chicken: 넴
2017-04-22 22:48 Kawawa: 업데했습니다
2017-04-22 22:48 Fresh Chicken: 아 입대했습니다로 봤어
2017-04-22 22:49 Kawawa: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
2017-04-22 22:49 Fresh Chicken: 흠
2017-04-22 22:50 Fresh Chicken: 겹친 타이밍뽀인뜨도 업군요
2017-04-22 22:50 Kawawa: 마지막으로 업데했을 때
2017-04-22 22:50 Kawawa: 제너럴쪽 전부 다 봤어요
2017-04-22 22:51 Kawawa: 껄껄
2017-04-22 22:51 Fresh Chicken: 아-주 좋소!
2017-04-22 22:51 Fresh Chicken: 그렇다면
2017-04-22 22:51 Fresh Chicken: 두유..워너 버블..?
2017-04-22 22:52 Kawawa: 예
2017-04-22 22:52 Kawawa: owo
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