diraimur wrote:

challenge

-00:23:489 (3,4) - compare this spacing with 00:21:040 (4,5) - , imo 00:23:642 (4) - could've been spaced a lot further since its quite strong (i think 00:25:785 (3,4,5) - is fine because it comes after a stop motion) - when suggesting similar parts, consider the context given in the song. 00:21:040 (4,5) - has a jump to emphasize the snare. 00:23:489 (3,4) - is weaker though. The part is also weaker by default so a jump is not used here to symbolize that feeling. The parts after are also mapped in a similar way
-00:28:387 (3,4) - same here as above
-00:32:213 (1,2,3) - same
-00:34:662 (1,2) - 00:51:805 (1) - 02:20:428 (2) - those sliders kinda stick out way more than other sliders, because they are only sliders in the map that is perfectly parallel with grid, and since that part of the song isn't really special, consider rotating them a bit so they don't stick out as much, as that part was most memorizable part for me. even though it isn't a bad thing, i think things like these should be used on special parts of the song since they have impact on feeling - if you think about it without any resort to geometry, parallel to the grid isn't really any different than diagonals. No reason to change this as the parallel sliders are done to enforce structure.
-00:53:642 (7) - maybe place this closer to 00:53:948 (8) - so 00:54:254 (1) - is more emphasised (or vice versa) - Object 8 is structured based on the wave that object 6 makes. Moving it wouldn't look very nice although emphasizing the next object would be a nice plus.
-01:15:989 (4) - mayb increase spacing for emphasis, maybe something like ctrl+g'ing with 01:16:142 (5) - intentionally done. I intended the map not only to follow the song, but also try to place a mix of circular movement and snapping. Many parts in the map don't even emphasize these sections by spacing, but rather by tension. I think this is fine as a result
-02:00:377 (1,2,3,4) - tbh 02:01:295 (4) - feels not special at all despite having a quite strong to it, i know spacing is high but its still going same way as other two sliders, making it look like just a merely stronger sound of 02:00:989 (3) - , maybe make it like you did on 02:02:519 (4,5) - ? - Object and object 3 are similar in terms of sound and pitch. That is the only reason why they're going in the same direction. The rest can be considered as a stylistic choice
-02:15:070 (2) - nc? - while it would match with my stanza style of NCing, NCing this note would mean isolating the note before it. Treating it as a separate object does not make sense since the note ties into the slider. NCing this object would not work as a result
-02:16:295 (1) - mayb remove nc for consistency on that section - changed the NCing pattern instead
-03:03:897 (8) - i cant really hear anything here, might as well just make 03:03:744 (7) - last note of that section to give more emphasis to it - added in despite being an overmap. This is to focus more on the maps idea of circular movement.

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insane

-01:27:315 (6) - nc for consistency? -
-01:58:999 (4) - ^ also is nc'd on hardest diff
-02:05:274 (6) - maybe nc? since 03:04:050 (1) - is nc'd

All fixed

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ya other diffs seem fine tbh i like the set for how it goes with music tho, gl

MrSergio wrote:

quick

Challenge
- 00:38:642 (6,7,8,9) - maybe you considered this already. It would be great to keep emphasis on that classic guitar's notes, since you kept it for a bunch of patterns now. These would turn into sliders as you did for 00:39:254 (10) - (maybe a triangle with these sliders?) - changed
This seems to happen more than once in the map tho, like for 01:44:764 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - and others, so I suggest going over the whole map and spot them. - not changing these as the constant clicking inhibits a more stressful part. Related to how it was mapped described later.
- 00:13:540 (5,6) - seeing these flows in the calm part is a bit too stressful imo
I believe these flows work better on intense parts, rather than calm intros like this one. I'd say 00:13:693 (6) - ctrl G, but it probably needs some major changes to make it fit with a "calmer" (shorter) spacing and flow. - I infered this part as a little bit more intense than the previous part. That is due to the more abundant amount of snares hence the jumps and movement
- 01:26:091 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this is probably related to style, but not having a single break in this chain feels so un-expressive D:
If you for example delete 01:26:856 (4) - you can focus the player's attention better on the guitar (yeah, once again, sorry) - the movement emphasizes the violin. Also related to how it was mapped.
- I'm starting to think more and more how this is somewhat ignoring a good emphasis sometimes just for the sake of an oldish style -_-"
Like for 01:43:693 (2,3,4) - , I get the first jump on 2 but the big jumps between 2,3,4 seem a bit uncalled for, since they are on the weaker drum in background (weaker sounds in the song = not-stronger jumps in the map, right?)
Or maybe delete stuff like 02:05:121 (6) - to create a better contrast with the rest and express the fact the song is calming down... etc
Or in places like 02:56:550 (6,1) - I would ctrl G on the high note of the guitar and so on, so forth - I see your concern, but I feel that emphasizing these parts aren't just as important. It may give better contrast to the song, but due to how it's designed, I can't really change these sort of things

I'll probably leave it like this, since I believe the the pattern choices made here are not the best (but could it be my bias?)
Anyway, the alternation between constant DS circles and big (really big, like cross screen) jumps is a bit strange: if I say "there is a lack of emphasis" you could easily bring up all those jumps you put in the map, but in this case it is more a matter of "where" you put that and where you didn't which gives me an iffy feeling about the map.
Note density can even be good, but stuff like 02:58:540 (3,5) - 03:00:070 (5) - could easily be or a slider or a direction change to follow better the song imo. - It's a design sort of idea. The map was designed with a constant swap in ds and snappy jumps in mind hence why you might plenty of objects weird in this map. Perhaps it's just an opinion, but I honestly think the map attempts to express to the song as best as it can while still maintaining the challenge of playing


Insane:
- 00:38:948 (4,5,6) - it feels a bit strange to me to have this rhythm similar to 00:44:152 (6,7,1) - when the guitar on 00:38:948 (4,5,6) - is so different :/
Slider or just one circle less... up to you to change it as you prefer, but I believe the rhythm needs a change there. - in terms of clicks, they're the same. Im pretty sure you meant on how they play which I changed
- 01:38:795 (2,3) - isn't this a bit too long, lol. The guitar is on 01:38:795 (2) - , so the jump on 01:38:948 (3) - is not even that strong reasoned imo. Ctrl G 3? - violin emphasis. Pretty sure its fine
- 01:45:683 - {subjectivity warning} isn't the third kiai equal (if not lower) in emphasis to the second one? .-.
I mean, it's fine to use a stronger push for those first beats, but the rest looks rather normal to me. - a bit stronger imo
- 02:41:091 (2) - missing normal-hitnormal on head? - no, normal-hitnormals are done on snares
- 02:42:928 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ;w; and I hoped the Insane wasn't going to do it, rip. You sure you don't want sliders for 02:43:540 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - , or some direction changes? The only place where you do this, lol - you may have a case here. The map was designed to be an easier Challenge so I rather keep this if possible.
- 03:42:620 (4,5,6) - it could be nice to create some contrast between these and the rest of the combo, like... either a slider for 03:42:314 (3) - or even two sliders for 03:42:008 (1,3) - I fail to see how that would help with the contrasting. The circle spam feels more natural


Hard:
- 01:34:050 (2,1) - after being used to so many jumps on the new combo, this one feels a bit strange spaced like that tbh.
I don't really have a solution here, since it might also be just me... - same
- 01:45:070 (8,9,10,11) - at least on Hard you should try to follow a bit better the main instruments imo. - is there really much you can do. It's just a string of 1/2's following the violin. Having sliders doesn't make sense in this case
Overmapping the guitar sound like this makes it hard for players to interpret it. We (as in "players with experience") have no problem on them, but newer players might.
- 02:55:938 (2,3) - I'm pretty sure this jump in the middle of the combo is a rare appearance. You usually made such jumps on new combos
- 03:40:325 (2,3) - jump or not jump, that is the question.
This is not a problem of any sort, it's just strange imo to not have a solid base on how to read the map at some points. The song is pretty repetitive, hence you can't do much but I would at least try to leave something for the player to help him. This continuous alternation of jumps inside and outside combos makes it hard (hence, my comment above inspire by Shakespeare). - Considering that this was a collab, I wasn't entirely sure on how this was mapped. Either way I tried fixing a few problems here.
Since I'm at it I might as well bring up how much you ignore in calm parts like 03:05:274 (1,2,3) - or the intro, and how much you overmap in kiai times, like 01:43:234 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - . This huge difference just doesn't stand right to me: the end result is a Hard star rating, but in actual gameplay this feels more like a Normal in calm parts and Light Insane in more intense ones (like... is this really a Hard 01:43:234 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - ?) (the fact you use constant DS is not an excuse, lol) - every part in a map does not have to be as hard as what the difficulty name says. I'm not even sure what you're getting at. Changed the 1/2 string since I did think it was a bit too difficult
- just to stay on the same wave of the concept above, 03:29:457 (9) - is making this a circle really not an option? - theres a snare sound there that sounds pretty significant. Ignoring it would be worse imo
It helps defining better the rhythm of this combo + it gives a small rest to the player. This is something that rarely happens at times in this mapset
- 03:44:304 (4) - is this even needed? It looks again just overmapping to me - same as above, except its a drum
- Notice that I didn't point out much in the end regarding this stuff, but you probably can get the idea (if not, just let me know)


Normal:
- 00:01:601 (2) - I honestly can't hear any important beats to support this slider start.
Is there an important instrument playing there? (I'm implying you're following the guitar, which is not playing there)
After a few listens I could hear more or less for what you went, but it is something that affects the whole mapset here I believe: you merge too much different instruments imo (but this is purely an opinion) - there is a sound there. Yes it's quiet, but it's quite hard to find a good alternative to begin with
- 00:38:336 (5,6) - am I really the only one hearing that guitar so much ?.?
This rhythm is confusing imo, since you give the same instrument alternating emphasis: 00:38:642 - weak 00:38:948 - strong 00:39:254 - weak... which is it, lol - you're focusing too much on the strength of each sound. It's a normal so what players hear first and foremost is the more important idea to focus on
- 00:40:785 (2) - not the first one I see, so I'm now wondering, why is this circle not placed 1/4 earlier instead? It would be great for rhythm imo, you even do it later on for 00:42:315 (5,6) - :/ - different context if you think about how the guitar is being played. Also it's a normal and I feel adding a 1/4 note would be too difficult
- 01:28:540 (1,2,3) - I'm now sure I'm missing something, since you really keep ignoring the most relevant sounds and place "stand by" patterns for some reason - violin
- 02:35:887 (3) - again, why not giving a rest instead of using such intense rhythms. I get it is kiai and all but still... - I don't think this is the place to add rest sections


Easy:
- 00:01:448 - ...
I must ask you, 00:00:377 (1) - on what instrument does this start?
- I'm currently at 00:44:458 - and I (once again) didn't see much traces of short breaks in the rhythm. This in particular is really prominent on this diff since it because just like a metronome and nothing else. This is not what I call rhythm tho :/
Stuff like 00:43:234 (4) - can't really be a circle only? If you start a slider you are supposed to be playing a rhythm which is on one instrument only, but in this case it seems to me that it starts on a drum beat (which is not even a long note) and ends on the guitar which is "wut?"
- 01:11:091 (3,4) - I can see them being on guitar, but 01:10:785 (2) - this one? .-.
- 01:35:274 (6,7,1) - this rhythm contrast feels a bit strange. You have a fast rhythm on the triplet and then a long pause thanks to the slider body which is 3/1 long
- There are so many places where this stuff keeps happening... You either skip an important beat or start doing these fast/slow rhythm contrasts that just... ugh
- like... 02:50:581 (2,3,4) - shouldn't this stuff be 1/2 later? lol
It just seems to me you forced the 1/1 rhythm onto this map just because it is a lower difficulty or something
- 03:31:906 (4) - delete?

Yes the whole easy is mapped incredibly simple, The only reason why it is just a 1/1 spam is mainly due to how I think an easy should be. I haven't read the new RC guidelines though. I did change a few things over.


Now I see why you commented like that when I said I was interested, lol.

Naotoshi wrote:

[general]

[challenge]
00:30:683 (5) - i dont think putting a click on a random tiny guitar sound is a good idea, think a 1/2 gap here with a click at 00:30:836 - works a lot better - this would create an empty feeling to that particular section. The player will probably think something was missing. This also breaks the coherent rhythm structure even if the hitsounds don't necessary relate. A note in a song cannot be random, a sound does not just randomly come in multiple times in a song
00:35:581 (3) - etc - ^

00:38:948 (7,8) - imo should be a slider as well since it's the same guitar sound as 00:38:642 (6,9) - the two circles are mapping to two strums. A slider would not work due to this double strum.
01:07:723 (1,2) - blanket - not possible unless you ruin the loop and reduce the amount of curving. Making the slider closer is not an option here

01:23:030 (3,4) - feels like a really sudden increase in spacing. similar ones in the song are a bit smaller. also i think 3 should be 2 circles cuz of the loud drums - decreased the spacing. It is a slider as it is following the violin strums more than the drums. Changing it here would be inconsistent as a result.

01:25:325 (4) - theres nothing here ._. maybe add a hitsound to support the overmap? - removed the note instead

not much else

[insane]
01:29:764 (1) - shouldnt this be a wave slider or something, compare to 01:01:601 (1,2,3,4,1) -
like i know its a different part, but the idea of progression is similar and the 3rd slider in the progression is different earlier on so yea - different rhythms calls for different variations. The part you mentioned had the violin build up to what that wave slider is. This section has the violin toning down hence the repeated slider usage. I would not consider both of these similar imo
01:46:142 (2) - seems like the white tick should be clickable to follow the violin - and how did you not notice this in Challenge? Changed regardless
02:43:234 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this is a pretty big diffspike, you didnt use this many circles in a row earlier. suggest to make some into sliders to lower it - hopefully one slider is enough

[ascenster]
wtf is 00:56:550 (3) - on - a strum, if you hear it closely, its not really there, but its there. Confusing
fine

[normal]
00:53:642 - imo making this clickable would be nice
01:15:683 - why put a 1/4 gap here and not at vaarious places like 01:03:438 - 01:04:662 - where there are pretty strong guitar notes? might as well make a lot of the melody clickable - blame strict RC standards
u might as well do the 1/16th snap thing here too tbh - that part isn't even mapped???

[easy]
can you at least try to follow the song? constant 1/1 rhythm is completely unrelated to the song, you know this...

as it is, your normal is much much more dense than the easy, since it uses lots of 1/4 snap and mostly 1/2 gaps. meanwhile the easy has no 1/4 and uses almost exclusively 1/1 gaps. so you should make 1/2 gaps more common outside of the kiais, and use mostly 1/2 gaps inside the kiais... - literally a remap

ok lmk when u make ur easy rankable

Yuii- wrote:

hello

don't have too much to say about this mapset, this is great

hard

00:53:642 (5) - this 1/6, no 1/4 change it on every diff - You're not wrong, but changing the snap to a 1/12 will only add awkwardness in playing the map. The player will naturally filter the rhythms as something that is on snap. I accounted for this by changing the objects into sliders instead.

inasne

01:33:438 (1) - too many sounds > 1 object, doesn't seem cool map 01:33:897 - for consistency - the slider is focusing on the strong violin. It's pretty overwhelming so I expect that the players wouldn't focus on the background noise.
same goes to 02:32:213 (1) - ^

platinum

01:24:866 (1,2,3,4) - this actually seems too tricky - playtests as shown that this was not something problematic. The note appears slightly before you hit 3. Seems to be a problem if a player rushes too much.
01:40:172 (3,4,5,1) - and this movement feels too uncomfortable - Players won't complete the slider fully making the 1/2 double easier to do. The sharp angle from 5 to 1 helps with the sudden change in spacing here.

01:44:917 (4,5) - increase in spacing should start here and 02:43:693 (4,5) - pattern changed for people to notice the changes.
01:59:764 (4,5,6,7) - could perfectly be 2 sliders instead - it could. The focus of the map is singletaps in general hence why the circle usages
02:32:213 (1) - same as an insane; although 01:33:438 (1,2) - is fine - same as insane

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call naotoshi back, hard needs to get discussed
then call me (i swear i won't take 14 days)