SOFT2: osu!mania FFA Tournament - Winner: cheetose!

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Vent
The ping-pong system sounds very interesting!
Daikyi
Thinking back through the logic of the ping pong system, it's more of an overall match balancer - It makes breaks (where you win your opponent's pick) less of a jump ahead, and makes it closer to a step I think. I don't think it's going to have a massive impact on matches that don't go either way, however it in general will make closer matches much closer. This is important where rolls in these close matches can really determine the upper hand for the entire match.

tl;dr
basically, in matches where expected to sweep, rolls don't really matter, and the ping pong pick doesn't really impact anything given the one player's superiority in the given mappool.
In matches where it's completely up in the air, there's less of a chance of one player managing to win all their picks off of a good roll, being able to ban second and pick first. If one player gets to match point, it's much less likely that the match just ends with them picking another song that they're strong at - the other player will be able to exercise the "extra ban" that will happen at the end if it comes to tiebreaker. this even makes it closer if the player losing the roll is slightly stronger, the extra tiny pick advantage will go to the weaker player

actual tl;dr
ping pong pick makes matches closer inherently, which is cool because #tiebreakerHype
Tidek
"ping pong" system will only destroy one basic strategy I always use in matches, using strongest pick for a match point to dont let player any chance for picking another maps and win the entire match.

Remember that ping pong and matches on SOFT2 are different, matches on SOFT2 are not concluded by set points and in ping pong serves are sticked to one player untill the match point where the serve goes to second player, thats why it works in ping pong game. In osu!mania tournament, getting right to pick a map changes every round, letting a losing player pick every map while match point is pretty bad idea in my opinion that destroy some part of strategy aspects and its made only to give stream watchers more "exciting" matches.

As a spectator, its a good idea and people will probably like it.
As a player, It will be pretty annoying and can make final result of some matches pretty "unfair" (imagine that you are on match point 4:2, opponent pick and he wins a map, we have 4:3, in normal system you should pick a map right now but ping pong system doesnt let you, 2 maps left, on one of them you feel stronger, buy your opponent obviously pick another one and win it, 4:4 tiebreaker and unfortunately you are losing it and lose the entire match, isnt it frustrating?)
Eiuh
I can help with reffing if still needed c:
-Konner-

Eiuh wrote:

I can help with reffing if still needed c:
There's an application form for signing up to be part of the staff. It's under XIII. Staff Applications (second post in the thread).

Here's a link anyway if you want to sign up: https://goo.gl/forms/zFwJUHD5I9NRbcRe2
Halogen-

Tidek wrote:

"ping pong" system will only destroy one basic strategy I always use in matches, using strongest pick for a match point to dont let player any chance for picking another maps and win the entire match.

Remember that ping pong and matches on SOFT2 are different, matches on SOFT2 are not concluded by set points and in ping pong serves are sticked to one player untill the match point where the serve goes to second player, thats why it works in ping pong game. In osu!mania tournament, getting right to pick a map changes every round, letting a losing player pick every map while match point is pretty bad idea in my opinion that destroy some part of strategy aspects and its made only to give stream watchers more "exciting" matches.

As a spectator, its a good idea and people will probably like it.
As a player, It will be pretty annoying and can make final result of some matches pretty "unfair" (imagine that you are on match point 4:2, opponent pick and he wins a map, we have 4:3, in normal system you should pick a map right now but ping pong system doesnt let you, 2 maps left, on one of them you feel stronger, buy your opponent obviously pick another one and win it, 4:4 tiebreaker and unfortunately you are losing it and lose the entire match, isnt it frustrating?)
It puts more emphasis on the "better player" actually being the better player. If they're in the lead and can't withstand an onslaught of a comeback from a player who is behind, they likely shouldn't be winning the match in the first place. In an ideal situation, the ping-pong structure actually mitigates scenarios where players fluke a win or two that they shouldn't have to bring them to match point and forces them to actually prove they deserve to win by nullifying any sort of guaranteed picks.

As mentioned before, blow-outs won't be affected. Sweeps will still be sweeps under most circumstances (the only time this could be different is for SV maps, where the odd situation of a player not practicing could arise), blowouts will still be blowouts, but close matches will favor players that are generally more consistent - players who fluke their wins will eventually start to slip up and that hole in their consistency can (and should) be exploited.
Daikyi

Tidek wrote:

"ping pong" system will only destroy one basic strategy I always use in matches, using strongest pick for a match point to dont let player any chance for picking another maps and win the entire match.

Remember that ping pong and matches on SOFT2 are different, matches on SOFT2 are not concluded by set points and in ping pong serves are sticked to one player untill the match point where the serve goes to second player, thats why it works in ping pong game. In osu!mania tournament, getting right to pick a map changes every round, letting a losing player pick every map while match point is pretty bad idea in my opinion that destroy some part of strategy aspects and its made only to give stream watchers more "exciting" matches.

As a spectator, its a good idea and people will probably like it.
As a player, It will be pretty annoying and can make final result of some matches pretty "unfair" (imagine that you are on match point 4:2, opponent pick and he wins a map, we have 4:3, in normal system you should pick a map right now but ping pong system doesnt let you, 2 maps left, on one of them you feel stronger, buy your opponent obviously pick another one and win it, 4:4 tiebreaker and unfortunately you are losing it and lose the entire match, isnt it frustrating?)
You can easily just pick your strongest song first instead of saving it then?
Daikyi
also, yes strategy is part of the pick phase of matches, but like

are you that worried about this ever happening? the matches that you get to match point immediately, you're almost 100% expected to come out on top.

if you're at match point and manage to lose every single map until the tiebreaker, then the match should go to tiebreaker. If you modify your "strategy" appropriately then that logic still stands. It doesn't eliminate any part of strategy aspects, it changes it. You're saying that only because your particular strategy is being removed as good. The other "strategy" if you're willing to call that tiny bit of picking "strategy" just becomes the better strategy. You can still save your strongest pick if you want, it'll just be a bad strategy

in all, in my opinion, your complaints are kinda resonating as "I'm worried about losing"
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juankristal
Given some personal things I will have to open the sign ups one day earlier (shouldn't be a big deal). The end of the period of sign ups will stay the same.
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juankristal
Sorry for the double post but sign ups are now officially open! To list yourself into the tournament specify in a reply here your timezone (UTC) and specific availability that you think we should know. List your username and country too.

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Halogen-
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LightDreamer
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Raveille
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Hydria
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