Surono wrote:

CAMEL DOWN, SCHOOL KIT!!11111!

Raiden wrote:

SPOILER

20:35 Raiden: 04:57:932 - 04:58:532 - why stop there when you have followed the guitar all across the section
20:35 Raiden: no, finishers are not an excuse
20:35 Raiden: 05:00:707 (2407) - randomest 1/4 i've ever seen
20:36 frukoyurdakul: okay makes sense, added d on these 2 spots and removed the 1/4
20:37 Raiden: 05:52:982 (413,414,415,416,417,418) - random offbeat pattern?
20:38 Raiden: guitar does not do blue tick rhythm
20:38 Raiden:
20:38 frukoyurdakul: how about i delete 05:53:057 (414) - this one?
20:39 Raiden: keep it consistent
20:39 Raiden: delete the offbeat, make a normal pattern
20:39 Raiden: instead, use variety in this kiai 06:01:082 -
20:39 Raiden: that can use improvised offbeat patterns
20:39 frukoyurdakul: okay so 05:53:207 (416) -
20:39 Raiden: if you use them consistently on this part it will sound much better and not so repetitive
20:39 frukoyurdakul: 05:53:282 - moved to here
20:39 frukoyurdakul: 05:53:357 (417) - this one is deleted
20:40 Raiden: k
20:40 Raiden: 06:01:082 - 06:08:282 - vary this part
20:40 Raiden: it's so plain as it is rn
20:40 Raiden: you can spice it up
20:41 frukoyurdakul: hmm, what kind of variations? usage of doublets for example?
20:41 frukoyurdakul: not 1/8, 1/4
20:41 Raiden: if puush decides to work
20:41 Raiden: i know it's 1/4 doubles
20:42 Raiden: if you put 1/8 doubles there i'd fucking nuke the map lol
20:42 frukoyurdakul: haha
20:42 Raiden: https://puu.sh/wl080.png
20:42 Raiden: also use nc more frequentlyl those big numbers make it hard to see
20:43 frukoyurdakul: it was automatic, i wrote a program to organize the notes sorry :/
20:43 frukoyurdakul: okay, changed the first one
20:44 frukoyurdakul: how about another off-beat here?
20:44 frukoyurdakul: 06:04:082 (537,538,539,540,541) -
20:44 Raiden: yes
20:44 Raiden: add offbeats here and there
20:44 Raiden: i trust your sense of rhythm
20:44 Raiden: don't fucfk it up
20:45 frukoyurdakul: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8352286
20:45 frukoyurdakul: done something there
20:45 frukoyurdakul: 06:06:782 (565) - then i deleted this one
20:45 Raiden: k
20:47 Raiden: also not sure if you're aware but 06:35:882 (868,869,870,871,872,873,874,875,876,877) - this plays veeeeeeery badly
20:47 Raiden: the transition to 1/3 is unclear and since it's all dons it makes it just more confusing
20:47 frukoyurdakul: it was surono's idea
20:47 frukoyurdakul: 06:36:382 (871,872) - these 2 was swapped before
20:47 Raiden: also i'm counting the notes
20:47 Raiden: the guitar is actually
20:47 Raiden: not going 1/3
20:47 Raiden: LOL
20:48 frukoyurdakul: really?
20:48 Raiden: only 06:36:482 (874,875,876,877) - here
20:48 Raiden: it's 1/3
20:48 Raiden: count the number of guitar notes played
20:48 Raiden: 06:36:182 (871,872,873,874) - on this beat
20:48 frukoyurdakul: oh yeah you're right
20:48 Raiden: it's 4
20:48 Raiden: onyl the last 4
20:48 Raiden: are 1/3
20:49 frukoyurdakul: should I keep the last ones 1/3?
20:49 Raiden: ye
20:49 Raiden: for extra swag
20:49 frukoyurdakul: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8352328
20:49 frukoyurdakul: how is this?
20:49 Raiden: idk
20:49 Raiden: i'll test when it's updated
20:50 frukoyurdakul: oh sure
20:50 Raiden: and finally
20:50 Raiden: 07:37:082 (17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28) -
20:50 Raiden: this is bad taste
20:50 Raiden: not placing any hand swap pattern in the entire map
20:50 Raiden: and the last 7 notes have it
20:50 Raiden: comeon...
20:50 Raiden: are you serious
20:51 frukoyurdakul: the guitar pitch is always decreasing so i followed a method like this but... i can make it more various yeah
20:51 Raiden: ye
20:51 Raiden: make it not hand-swappy
20:51 Raiden: because it's a dick move
20:52 frukoyurdakul: done something there
20:52 Raiden: k
20:52 frukoyurdakul: should I update it now?
20:53 Raiden: no
20:53 Raiden: 04:11:882 (2120,2121,2122,2123,2124,2125,2126,2127,2128,2129,2130,2131,2132,2133,2134,2135) -
20:53 Raiden: why isn't this
20:53 Raiden: kkddddddkkdddddd
20:53 Raiden: why all thos ekats
20:53 Raiden: where are they
20:53 Raiden: in the music
20:54 frukoyurdakul: nowhere, i just didn't want to map it that way
20:54 Raiden: sry kkddddkkdddd
20:54 Raiden: well i don't agree
20:54 frukoyurdakul: hmm, how about kdddddkdddddkdddk or sth like that?
20:54 frukoyurdakul: with one kats on these beats
20:54 Raiden: kdddddd is so boring
20:55 Raiden: maybe the first one
20:55 Raiden: but the second one kk
20:55 frukoyurdakul: done
20:55 frukoyurdakul: also changed the 1st one
20:56 Raiden: l
20:57 Raiden: 06:00:482 (503,504,505,506,507,508,509) - how about making this more kat-ish
20:57 Raiden: since you used kddkddk for the guitar
20:58 frukoyurdakul: 06:00:632 (504) - changed this one
20:58 frukoyurdakul: 06:00:557 (503) - not sure about this one
20:58 frukoyurdakul: kddkddkdkkkdkkd
20:58 frukoyurdakul: is it looking good?
20:58 Raiden: ye
20:58 Raiden: kat-ish
20:59 frukoyurdakul: done then
20:59 Raiden: k
20:59 Raiden: i don't have more bile to spit at this map
20:59 Raiden: i think
21:00 frukoyurdakul: hmm, if it looks good, i'll update now
21:04 frukoyurdakul: should I do it? it says it'll pop the bubble
21:04 Raiden: yes
21:04 Raiden: do it
21:05 frukoyurdakul: done

herman li is okay ???

zigizigiefe wrote:

Tebrikler amına koduğum <3

Surono wrote:

HOLYYYYY

LZD wrote:

almost there mate

qoot8123 wrote:

Hello! I have some concerns about 1/8 doublet usage

The guitar sound on 02:31:382 (1096,1097) - and 02:31:982 (1099,1100) - is not really clear to put 1/8 doublet , I guess you may try to make difference with 02:31:082 (1095) - and 02:31:682 (1098) - but in my opinion, just remove 02:31:419 (1097) - and 02:32:019 (1100) - still can differ two timbres. So I think you can reconsider it. The recent DragonForce maps have these kinds of doublets on guitar tremolo sounds. These ones are very prominent, that's why I put a doublet on these spots.

05:19:682 (82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89) - these 1/8 doublet are acceptable for me as you trying to emphasize the guitar's sound, but I think follow drum would be more better because DragonForce's song has strong drum element. you can take this as reference(05:19:607 - ~05:20:207 - ). Like you said, I'm emphasizing the guitar sound because that part is guitar solo and I already follow drums on this solo enough I think.

05:39:482 - ~05:41:882 - I think this part is not really suitable to use 1/8 doublet because there is drum sounds apparently . you could follow the drum as you mapped in 05:34:682 - ~05:37:082 - . There is thereference(05:39:482 - ~05:41:582 - ) (285,286 and 287 are finisher). To be honest, I've mapped that section before like you show me now, but it broke consistency between the first doublets I put. The guitar is much stronger than the drums, and the doublets are on guitar tremolo sounds again. So, i don't think it would be unappropiate to use 1/8 doublets.

That's what I concerned.

frukoyurdakul wrote:

qoot8123 wrote:

Hello! I have some concerns about 1/8 doublet usage

The guitar sound on 02:31:382 (1096,1097) - and 02:31:982 (1099,1100) - is not really clear to put 1/8 doublet , I guess you may try to make difference with 02:31:082 (1095) - and 02:31:682 (1098) - but in my opinion, just remove 02:31:419 (1097) - and 02:32:019 (1100) - still can differ two timbres. So I think you can reconsider it. The recent DragonForce maps have these kinds of doublets on guitar tremolo sounds. These ones are very prominent, that's why I put a doublet on these spots.

05:19:682 (82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89) - these 1/8 doublet are acceptable for me as you trying to emphasize the guitar's sound, but I think follow drum would be more better because DragonForce's song has strong drum element. you can take this as reference(05:19:607 - ~05:20:207 - ). Like you said, I'm emphasizing the guitar sound because that part is guitar solo and I already follow drums on this solo enough I think.

05:39:482 - ~05:41:882 - I think this part is not really suitable to use 1/8 doublet because there is drum sounds apparently . you could follow the drum as you mapped in 05:34:682 - ~05:37:082 - . There is thereference(05:39:482 - ~05:41:582 - ) (285,286 and 287 are finisher). To be honest, I've mapped that section before like you show me now, but it broke consistency between the first doublets I put. The guitar is much stronger than the drums, and the doublets are on guitar tremolo sounds again. So, i don't think it would be unappropiate to use 1/8 doublets.

That's what I concerned.

As Raiden mentioned in his post, the doublets you've mentioned are only on guitar tremolo sounds, which most of the power metal maps (a.k.a Road of Resistance, Fury of the Storm etc.) include doublets on these kinds of sounds. That's why I mapped the most noticable tremolo sounds as 1/8 because it emphasizes the best way.