LunaticSounds - Dement ~After Legend~ [OsuMania]

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2017-08-13 22:59 Fresh Chicken: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1180128 Lunatic Sounds - Dement ~After Legend~ [EZ]]
2017-08-13 23:02 Vampir: 호호
2017-08-13 23:03 Fresh Chicken: 일단 AI 확인부탁
2017-08-13 23:03 Vampir: AI?
2017-08-13 23:03 Fresh Chicken: AI모드
2017-08-13 23:03 Fresh Chicken: 이브닝꺼랑 타이밍포인트다르다고 뜸
2017-08-13 23:04 Vampir: 얘껀
2017-08-13 23:04 Vampir: 무ㅡㅓㄴ데
2017-08-13 23:04 Vampir: 뭔데 1 14 265가안잡혀
2017-08-13 23:04 Fresh Chicken: EZ는 정말
2017-08-13 23:04 Fresh Chicken: 완벽한 동탁이군
2017-08-13 23:04 Fresh Chicken: SHD를 보도록 하지
2017-08-13 23:05 Vampir: 이브닝꺼
2017-08-13 23:05 Vampir: 뭔가 좀 이상한데
2017-08-13 23:05 Vampir: 타이밍포인트 안잡힘
2017-08-13 23:05 Vampir: 01:14:265 -
2017-08-13 23:05 Fresh Chicken: 아 쟤가
2017-08-13 23:05 Vampir: 댓당
2017-08-13 23:05 Fresh Chicken: 변속넣을라고
2017-08-13 23:05 Fresh Chicken: 오프셋을 -12로
2017-08-13 23:05 Fresh Chicken: 잡았는데
2017-08-13 23:05 Fresh Chicken: 그러면 형맵들도 다 -12로 잡아야함
2017-08-13 23:05 Vampir: 띠용
2017-08-13 23:05 Vampir: 미친
2017-08-13 23:06 Vampir: 그럼
2017-08-13 23:06 Vampir: 다 처음부터 다시 설정잡아야하나
2017-08-13 23:06 Fresh Chicken: ㅇㅇ..
2017-08-13 23:06 Vampir: 일단 체크부터 하고 바꾸도록 합시다
2017-08-13 23:06 Fresh Chicken: .SHD
2017-08-13 23:06 Fresh Chicken: 00:28:555 (28555|1,28555|0,28698|2,28698|3,28841|1,28841|0,28984|2,28984|3,29127|1,29127|0,29270|2,29270|3,29413|1,29413|0,29555|2,29555|3) -
2017-08-13 23:06 Fresh Chicken: 여기 개인적으로
2017-08-13 23:06 Fresh Chicken: 밋밋한 느낌이 드는데
2017-08-13 23:06 Fresh Chicken: 좀 바꿔보는거어떰
2017-08-13 23:06 Vampir: 저길
2017-08-13 23:06 Fresh Chicken: 12-12-34-34 나 아니면 점핸식으로 약간
2017-08-13 23:06 Vampir: 더 바꿀만한 패턴이
2017-08-13 23:07 Fresh Chicken: 그냥 12-34는 변속 없는 이상 너무 스프 반만넣은 진라면같은 느낌
2017-08-13 23:07 Vampir: 겹계넣을까
2017-08-13 23:07 Vampir: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8833944
2017-08-13 23:08 Vampir: 괜찮아비네
2017-08-13 23:08 Fresh Chicken: 저것도 괜찮고
2017-08-13 23:08 Vampir: 저걸로 해야겠다
2017-08-13 23:10 Fresh Chicken: 00:44:268 (44268|2,44411|1,44483|1,44554|0,44554|3) - 이쪽 살짝 바꿔서 00:44:411 (44411|1,44483|1) - 얘하고 롱놋이 한손쓰게 바꾸는게 좋을듯, 00:39:697 (39697|1,39840|0,39912|0) - 00:48:554 (48554|3,48982|2,49054|2) -
2017-08-13 23:10 Fresh Chicken: 일관성참조.
2017-08-13 23:10 Vampir: 수정
2017-08-13 23:11 Fresh Chicken: 임신
2017-08-13 23:11 Vampir: 낙태~
2017-08-13 23:11 Fresh Chicken: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2017-08-13 23:11 Fresh Chicken: 01:16:551 (76551|3,76551|0) - 하나 줄이는게 맞는듯
2017-08-13 23:12 Vampir: 노트를
2017-08-13 23:12 Vampir: 한개줄이기?
2017-08-13 23:12 Fresh Chicken: ㅇㅇ
2017-08-13 23:12 Vampir: 두줄이면 임신인데 아깝노
2017-08-13 23:12 Fresh Chicken: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
2017-08-13 23:12 Fresh Chicken: 보면 스네어가 2개인데
2017-08-13 23:12 Fresh Chicken: 저거는 걍 킥
2017-08-13 23:12 Vampir: 수정완료
2017-08-13 23:13 Fresh Chicken: 01:25:550 (85550|0,85550|3) - same
2017-08-13 23:14 Fresh Chicken: 일단 이렇게까지
2017-08-13 23:14 Fresh Chicken: 소라하고 폰테, 이브닝에게 치킨이 체크해줄꺼라고 연락좀 해줘
2017-08-13 23:14 Vampir: ㅇㅋㅇㅋ
2017-08-13 23:14 Vampir: 이거
2017-08-13 23:14 Vampir: 이브닝한테 -12되있느넉
2017-08-13 23:14 Vampir: 이브닝한테 수정하라하면 안되나
2017-08-13 23:15 Fresh Chicken: 그러면 이브닝맵 처음 변속이
2017-08-13 23:15 Vampir: 시발 4개바꾸는거보다 한개바꾸는게 나을듯
2017-08-13 23:15 Fresh Chicken: 엉망되서
2017-08-13 23:15 Fresh Chicken: 이브닝 겟난에 상당히 대미지가
2017-08-13 23:15 Fresh Chicken: 크게들어감
2017-08-13 23:15 Vampir: 걍우리꺼 -12하고 걍 내리는게 나음?
2017-08-13 23:15 Fresh Chicken: ㅇㅇ
2017-08-13 23:15 Vampir: 지금 해버려야겟다
2017-08-13 23:16 Vampir: -12해도
2017-08-13 23:16 Vampir: 그냥 안옮겨도 될거같은데
2017-08-13 23:16 Fresh Chicken: 안옮기다니?
2017-08-13 23:17 Vampir: 그니까 보통 오프셋바뀌면노트위치
2017-08-13 23:17 Vampir: 옮겨야하지않음?
2017-08-13 23:17 Vampir: 아닌가 일단 업뎃해보겠음
2017-08-13 23:17 Fresh Chicken: -12로 하고
2017-08-13 23:17 Fresh Chicken: AI모드 체크해봐
2017-08-13 23:17 Fresh Chicken: 언스냅 생겼는지안생겼는지
2017-08-13 23:17 Fresh Chicken: 생겼으면 다 리스냅하고
2017-08-13 23:18 Vampir: 리스냅은
2017-08-13 23:18 Vampir: 노트 들엇다가 놓으면
2017-08-13 23:18 Vampir: 됨?
2017-08-13 23:18 Fresh Chicken: ㅇㅇ
2017-08-13 23:19 Vampir: ㄷㄷ딱맞네
2017-08-13 23:22 Fresh Chicken: 호호
2017-08-13 23:26 Vampir: 싹다
2017-08-13 23:26 Vampir: 수정완료
2017-08-13 23:26 Vampir: 근데
2017-08-13 23:26 Vampir: AI모드에 하나 뭐 뜨는데
2017-08-13 23:26 Fresh Chicken: 뭐뜨는디?
2017-08-13 23:27 Vampir: 해당 맵셋에는 1개 이상의 이지/노말 난이도 필요합니다
2017-08-13 23:27 Fresh Chicken: 아 그건
2017-08-13 23:27 Fresh Chicken: 필요없는거 ㅇㅇ
2017-08-13 23:27 Vampir: 앙기~
2017-10-08 21:13 Fresh Chicken: Evenven ow o long time no see~ I actually like to ask you for a IRC, do you have a time for this? it won't take long time cuz this diff looks pretty awesome
2017-10-08 21:13 Fresh Chicken: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1179494 Lunatic Sounds - Dement ~After Legend~]
2017-10-08 21:14 Evening: oh ya sure
2017-10-08 21:15 Fresh Chicken: 00:06:630 (6630|0,6701|2,6773|1,6844|2) - how about to make this just a 1-2-1-2 or 3-4-3-4 trills? sounds like same pitch noise
2017-10-08 21:16 Evening: kinda wanted to do a hand alternation i think
2017-10-08 21:16 Evening: so something like left right left right left right (..)
2017-10-08 21:16 Evening: 00:11:129 (11129|3,11129|2,11201|0,11272|3,11344|1,11415|3) - same idea :d
2017-10-08 21:16 Fresh Chicken: o seems there's a lot of same parts with this
2017-10-08 21:16 Fresh Chicken: i cee
2017-10-08 21:18 Fresh Chicken: 00:23:985 - ~00:24:128 - I felt this SV has too much space to make confuse players, is there anything intended for this or ?
2017-10-08 21:18 Fresh Chicken: I guess 2.0 x -> 1.5~1.7 is is pretty good
2017-10-08 21:19 Evening: lemme try o wo)b
2017-10-08 21:19 Fresh Chicken: d(ow o
2017-10-08 21:21 Evening: think it's a bit fast now though lol
2017-10-08 21:21 Evening: https://puu.sh/xSXFy/97474b8e3e.txt (?)
2017-10-08 21:22 Fresh Chicken: o okay
2017-10-08 21:22 Fresh Chicken: wait wait
2017-10-08 21:22 Evening: . o.
2017-10-08 21:23 Fresh Chicken: oooooo very nice
2017-10-08 21:23 Fresh Chicken: 00:23:985 - wait 3 same points here
2017-10-08 21:23 Fresh Chicken: lol
2017-10-08 21:23 Evening: o
2017-10-08 21:23 Fresh Chicken: .o .
2017-10-08 21:24 Evening: oki fixed the svs
2017-10-08 21:24 Fresh Chicken: okii
2017-10-08 21:25 Fresh Chicken: 00:46:483 (46483|0) - think this is too faint ,sounds much better to make 00:46:269 (46269|3,46269|2,46340|0,46412|2,46412|3) - here 12-34-12 because there's bass
2017-10-08 21:25 Fresh Chicken: with 00:46:483 (46483|0) - removing it
2017-10-08 21:25 Evening: 00:28:413 (28413|2) - i also changed https://puu.sh/xSXNH/1523ee27d4.jpg
2017-10-08 21:25 Fresh Chicken: oo oki
2017-10-08 21:26 Evening: ok fixed that
2017-10-08 21:27 Fresh Chicken: 00:54:030 (54030|1,54078|2) - 00:54:459 (54459|3,54506|2) - wrong snapping I guess?
2017-10-08 21:27 Fresh Chicken: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9270364 correct snapping sample
2017-10-08 21:27 Fresh Chicken: o wo
2017-10-08 21:27 Evening: it's meant to be 1/6
2017-10-08 21:27 Evening: 1/8 too fast for pattern lol
2017-10-08 21:28 Evening: and doesn't flow well
2017-10-08 21:29 Fresh Chicken: ummm pretty not sure this would be fine to go rank because SHD have 1/8 snapping, 1/6 is really playable than 1/8 but umm
2017-10-08 21:29 Fresh Chicken: I think I should challenge for this haha
2017-10-08 21:29 Fresh Chicken: o wo
2017-10-08 21:29 Evening: o wo)bbbbbbb
2017-10-08 21:30 Evening: it's not really possible to tell when playing anyways
2017-10-08 21:30 Fresh Chicken: ya it is bb
2017-10-08 21:31 Fresh Chicken: 00:55:411 - this SV is too much guessworked(?) I guess, what do you think about this?
2017-10-08 21:31 Evening: meant to be memorized . w.
2017-10-08 21:31 Fresh Chicken: aaaaaall right then ' w'
2017-10-08 21:33 Fresh Chicken: 01:22:908 - kinda same reason with 00:46:340 - here
2017-10-08 21:33 Fresh Chicken: o wait
2017-10-08 21:33 Fresh Chicken: I guess 01:22:908 - here is fine cuz current pattern is much playable
2017-10-08 21:36 Fresh Chicken: okay others are so goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood to me
2017-10-08 21:37 Fresh Chicken: do yoy have anything changed yourself? o wo
2017-10-08 21:37 Evening: yea i changing a lot lolee
2017-10-08 21:37 Fresh Chicken: ooooo lol
2017-10-08 21:37 Fresh Chicken: then it would be hard to tell all of changes, need to update
2017-10-08 21:39 Evening: http://puu.sh/xSYfv/fb8400f73c.osu
2017-10-08 21:40 Evening: 01:10:838 (70838|2,71981|2) - i made this super fast (but the pattern is easy to guess
2017-10-08 21:40 Evening: 01:11:981 (71981|2) - added long note
2017-10-08 21:40 Evening: 01:14:266 (74266|0) - removed a note on 3
2017-10-08 21:42 Evening: 01:14:552 (74552|3) - (woops forgot to change) changed to quad ln 1/8
2017-10-08 21:42 Evening: 01:18:837 (78837|2) - added quad LN and SV
2017-10-08 21:42 Evening: 01:27:979 (87979|2) - 01:37:121 (97121|2) - 01:46:263 (106263|2) -
2017-10-08 21:42 Evening: same
2017-10-08 21:42 Evening: yea that's all
2017-10-08 21:42 Evening: 01:48:406 (108406|1) - (added another sv and quad ln
2017-10-08 21:43 Fresh Chicken: seeeems all goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood to me o wo!!
2017-10-08 21:45 Evening: ./o
2017-10-08 21:45 Evening: )
2017-10-08 21:45 Evening: \o
2017-10-08 21:45 Fresh Chicken: wow
2017-10-08 21:45 Fresh Chicken: ./O
2017-10-08 21:45 Fresh Chicken: <
2017-10-08 21:45 Fresh Chicken: \O
2017-10-08 21:45 Evening: o A o
2017-10-08 21:46 Evening: if this rank, this will be my coolest rank map :sunglasses:
2017-10-08 21:47 Fresh Chicken: +:weed:
2017-10-08 21:47 Fresh Chicken: I actually decided to check this because there is your GD loooool
2017-10-08 21:48 Fresh Chicken: o 3 o
2017-10-08 21:48 Evening: :ddddd
2017-10-08 21:49 Fresh Chicken: Please leave in thread if there's something others to change or something, thank you for your time > w<!!
2017-10-08 21:50 Evening: 00:39:841 (39841|2) - i change to https://puu.sh/xSYwB/3a16509c61.jpg
2017-10-08 21:50 Evening: . 3 .
2017-10-08 21:50 Evening: yea i don't think anything else :d
2017-10-08 21:50 Fresh Chicken: oookii ! 3!
2017-10-08 21:51 Evening: o wo)!!
2017-10-08 21:51 Fresh Chicken: !!(ow o
Fresh Chicken
Had IRC, bubbled.

Good luck!! love Evening's diff <3
Topic Starter
Vampir
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Evening

Vampir wrote:

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
::D:D:DDddd;DD:Dd:D:D:Dd:D:D:D;d;d;:D:D:::D::DddddD:D:DDD:D:DD:D
Garalulu
아 된다
Mentholzzz
I think the song name should be "Dement ~after Legend~" instead
Source : this and this
also, maybe add Arcaea in tags since, this song also appear in that game too.

Nice map btw
Fresh Chicken

Mentholzzz wrote:

I think the song name should be "Dement ~after Legend~" instead
Source : this and this
also, maybe add Arcaea in tags since, this song also appear in that game too.

Nice map btw


Both are right

had some discussion with Vampir and he decided to add tags with qualify check
Enon
LOL even the second source Mentholzzz mentioned is saying it's "A"fter.
Asherz007
Snap discrepancies forcing me to pop for now, apologies about that.

Kinda really bothers me how evening's difficulty uses completely different hitsounding... whatever. I like the hitsounds on EX better lol

o!m needs more truly hard charts anyway, so it's not like this would be a veto or anything.

I'll start with where the issue lies and then work my way backwards.

Nice beegees tho

1|2|3|4

My god you're trying to kill us all with this crazy odhp + SVs xD
If you would be so kind as to be a little more merciful with everyone and change it to something along the lines of od8.8 hp9? Pretty please?

Man, making me look in the .osu file to check dem SVs lul

Also in general, I feel like you're trying to force the SVs in before these 1/8 LN quads, and I don't really feel that this works in tandem with the nature of the song (like the ones at 01:18:694, where there physically isn't anything to warrant any SVs being there at all), so I'll bring up the suggestion to remove these few.

kiai section also feels like it's missing quite a few soft-hitclaps (the kick hitsound)

  1. 00:15:272 (15272|1) - Could move to 1 for stack on high-pitched piano
  2. 00:25:414 (25414|1) - Would've thought there'd be one more note here for the quiet perc just to differentiate it a little.
  3. 00:26:842 (26842|1) - ^
  4. 00:27:413 (27413|3,27985|2) - ^
  5. 00:32:556 (32556|3,32842|2,32842|1,32842|0) - Gonna challenge the LN ends here. I can't really hear anything that short to prove these LNs' shortness, so to speak. The earliest thing I can hear finishing is at 00:32:949, so if there's something I'm not hearing, please enlighten me.
  6. 00:35:413 (35413|1,35413|2,35841|0,35841|1) - Accenting these with LNs without accenting the other string bursts beforehand looks a little odd to me. Up to you how to change, but looks like an inconsistency as it stands.
  7. 00:37:555 - Missing hitsound perhaps?
  8. 00:45:412 (45412|3,45412|1) - Would like a mini LN here for that piano, like you were doing earlier
  9. 00:46:269 (46269|3) - here too maybe
  10. 00:46:055 - I can hear a sound evidently present on this 1/4, so I'm a little worried about you 1/6'ing over this.
  11. 00:54:030 (54030|1,54078|2,54459|3,54506|2) - Quite a prominent 1/4 snare running through this one, so I'm pretty sure this isn't ok.
  12. 00:57:268 (57268|3) - Pretty sure this is a ghost note
  13. 01:09:338 (69338|2) - There's a kick here, so if you can make this a double. At least put a hitsound on it.
  14. 01:16:480 (76480|2,76480|0) - I'd rather this be a double OH minijack, but there's loads about, so your call.
  15. 01:23:694 (83694|2,83694|1,83694|0) - Thought it would've made more sense for this to be a quad? (given that these LN quads are meant to be representing the same thing, this feels odd not to have the quad here too)
  16. 01:24:265 (84265|1,84265|2) - There's no kick here, so I'm not too sure why this one's a double.
  17. 01:26:265 (86265|3,86265|0) - ^
  18. 01:28:122 (88122|2) - Double here?
  19. 01:32:836 (92836|2,92836|3) - Quad or no? (cymbal crash)
  20. 01:48:549 (108549|0,108549|2,108549|1,108549|3) - there's no cymbal crash here which kinda makes this quad completely redundant.
  21. 01:51:120 (111120|2,111120|3) - Maybe a quad for this though?


Fun to play, just a couple of snap discrepancies I can imagine quite a few people would complain about.


Hitsounds on all the other diffs are also inconsistent with each other, which is a little bit odd (did everyone do their own hitsounds?). Also hitsounds are far too quiet (basically inaudible), so I recommend bumping up to these values:
  1. soft-hitclap: 70%
  2. soft-hitfinish: 100% (just about audible)
  3. soft-hitclap2: Here it is again about 15dB louder because at the moment it's just way too quiet no matter what volume you have it at. Just drop it in the folder, remaining at 40% with that link above appears to work fine.
This difficulty feels crazily spiky. I think the awkwardness just comes out of having LNs with such dense patterns, and it's not really that nice to play.

Also I feel the odhp is too lenient, so I recommend increase to od8.5 hp8.5.

  1. 00:32:842 (32842|1,32842|2) - Would probably make these 1/4 shorter to match where the one sound ends. (since you're trying to cover to sounds with these and it's not really working that well.)
  2. 00:42:269 (42269|2,42269|3,42269|0,42269|1) - How come quad/2 LNs here?
  3. 00:46:055 - There's a sound present on the 1/4, so a 1/6 pattern over this isn't really a good idea. Also not really a big fan of the really awkward directional changes here either. If there's anything that you can do to alleviate the strain, I recommend you do so.
  4. 00:46:554 (46554|0,46554|3,46554|1,46697|2,46697|1,46697|0) - Feel like these are unnecessarily triples. Any reason why they are that way?
  5. 00:49:983 (49983|2) - +note in col 1 for kick
  6. 00:51:411 (51411|3,51411|0,51411|2) - only a kick here so double here will do
  7. 00:53:768 (53768|2,53840|3,53911|2,53982|1,54054|0,54089|1) - Not really a fan of the one-hand trill movement going on here, especially with the changing snaps. It develops a little bit too much strain in cols 2 and 3. Might want to rearrange this slightly.
  8. 00:54:839 (54839|3,54839|0,54839|1,54982|1,54982|2) - not sure why these chords are different sizes for equally intense sounds in the music.
  9. 01:05:124 (65124|3,65124|1,65124|0) - Feel like triple here might be a little overkill given your current layering here.
  10. 01:10:838 (70838|1,70838|3,70909|0,70981|1,70981|3,71052|2,71124|1,71124|3,71195|0,71266|1,71266|3,71338|2) - Kinda uncomfortable. I know you want emphasis on those snares, but I'd switch to a more "traditional" js burst (like [24]3[12]4[13]2 etc)
  11. 01:16:694 (76694|2,76694|3) - Why double here? Layering would suggest just the LN here.
  12. 01:20:408 (80408|3,81123|0,81694|3,81980|2) - I feel like the LNs are "getting in the way", so to speak. With only the 3 remaining columns to use, this becomes overly difficult, thus a spike of sorts. Replacing the LNs with SNs and repatterning would significantly reduce the strain here.
  13. 01:22:480 - What happened to hitsounds?
  14. 01:27:408 (87408|2,87408|3) - Why a double here?
  15. 01:30:979 (90979|3,91050|0,91122|1,91122|2,91122|3,91193|0,91265|2,91265|3,91336|0,91407|1,91407|2,91407|3) - Might want to move some of this about so that the OH trill moves back to the right hand, since I feel in its current state it's a little bit too long to be in one hand.
  16. 01:31:943 (91943|1,91979|0) - Dunno whether you'd wanna to swap these two around for the simple roll. Up to you.
  17. 01:35:407 (95407|0,95407|1) - Why double?
  18. 01:41:406 (101406|0) - I'd probably sacrifice this LN to have the more accurate triple for the crash at 01:41:692.
  19. 01:47:120 (107120|3,107192|2) - needs hitsounds
  20. 01:47:263 (107263|1,107977|2,108263|0,108549|3,109691|0) - Again, I feel these LNs are making this burst section far more difficult than it needs to be. Suggest removing and repatterning, like last time.
Would buff HP to 8. (based on whether the SHD odhp changes but whatever lol)

  1. 00:16:986 (16986|0,17129|0,18700|3,18843|3,18986|0,19129|0) - not quite sure of the sudden swap to using these short minijacks here. It's a nice idea, but it doesn't appear to be used consistently. Ideally, you either make all of the 1/2 consecutive jumps like this or not at all (would choose the first option myself). Ultimately up to you though.
  2. 00:36:698 (36698|2,36698|3) - missing hitsounds
  3. 00:37:413 (37413|2,37413|1,37555|1,37555|2) - Not sure why it's a double minijack here, since there's a slight change between the first and second double. Could go for something like [23][24][134] here (and properly layering the crash).
  4. 00:47:126 (47126|0,47126|2,47126|3) - Wait, how come there's a sudden switch to triples here? I mean as an idea it's not an issue, it's more the problem that you aren't able to consistency layer them as triples given that this is an HD.
  5. 00:53:982 - hitsounds missing?
  6. 01:26:265 (86265|3,86551|0) - Struggling to figure out what these are mapped to, given 01:25:694 (85694|3,85836|0).


Other than that it's pretty neatly constructed. Like it.
Not much here at all...

  1. 00:51:983 - Feel like you should map this sound, given 00:53:125 (53125|3) exists.
  2. 01:55:119 - You could cap the LN here since there is a definite kick-ish sound here.
  1. 00:19:414 (19414|2,19414|1) - Feels like a double with little reasoning, other than something like "new phrase". I wouldn't, given that no other difficulty has anything more than a single here.
  2. 01:13:123 (73123|2,73123|1,73695|3,73695|0) - Would've thought these would be LNs?
  3. 01:22:123 (82123|1,83122|2) - Would make these 1/2 shorter to go with where the strings end.
  4. 01:38:692 - Feel like you should map this, given 01:36:407 (96407|0).
  5. 01:49:120 (109120|1) - Personally feel the more important sound is 1/2 earlier, so I suggest moving this note there.


Took a little while, but there you go.
Reminder that this is an objective pop; issues do need to be addressed.

Call me back whenever everyone's done. (hopefully I haven't died by then lol)
Evening

Asherz007 wrote:

Snap discrepancies forcing me to pop for now, apologies about that.

Kinda really bothers me how evening's difficulty uses completely different hitsounding... whatever. I like the hitsounds on EX better lol

My god you're trying to kill us all with this crazy odhp + SVs xD
If you would be so kind as to be a little more merciful with everyone and change it to something along the lines of od8.8 hp9? Pretty please?

There really isn't a guide to what values are allowed, so I just went with what i thought was challenging enough but not stupid

Man, making me look in the .osu file to check dem SVs lul

Also in general, I feel like you're trying to force the SVs in before these 1/8 LN quads, and I don't really feel that this works in tandem with the nature of the song (like the ones at 01:18:694, where there physically isn't anything to warrant any SVs being there at all), so I'll bring up the suggestion to remove these few.

It's meant to accent the cymbal with a jump, it doesn't really have a backing sound to it, I might consider removing it if more people dislike it of course, i'm 50/50 about it

kiai section also feels like it's missing quite a few soft-hitclaps (the kick hitsound)

I gave up trying to add kicks since it's blended too well into the music, I assume it's not a problem since most players will probably not notice anyways

  1. 00:15:272 (15272|1) - Could move to 1 for stack on high-pitched piano

    00:14:843 (14843|3,14843|2,14843|0) - this is higher pitched, it's linked
  2. 00:25:414 (25414|1) - Would've thought there'd be one more note here for the quiet perc just to differentiate it a little.
  3. 00:26:842 (26842|1) - ^
  4. 00:27:413 (27413|3,27985|2) - ^

    Think it's quite evident that i'm ignoring anything other than the chants, it's more of a specific pattern to this particular song
  5. 00:32:556 (32556|3,32842|2,32842|1,32842|0) - Gonna challenge the LN ends here. I can't really hear anything that short to prove these LNs' shortness, so to speak. The earliest thing I can hear finishing is at 00:32:949, so if there's something I'm not hearing, please enlighten me.

    It's to pair with the SV to trick the player to holding the LN too long
  6. 00:35:413 (35413|1,35413|2,35841|0,35841|1) - Accenting these with LNs without accenting the other string bursts beforehand looks a little odd to me. Up to you how to change, but looks like an inconsistency as it stands.

    1. SVs will distort LNs
    2. I don't like to map LNs with notes there on stronger/clear cut sections, it looks quite ugly

  7. 00:37:555 - Missing hitsound perhaps?

    No idea what to put there, i left it blank
  8. 00:45:412 (45412|3,45412|1) - Would like a mini LN here for that piano, like you were doing earlier

    sure
  9. 00:46:269 (46269|3) - here too maybe

    it's too convoluted, i prefer my harder sections to be clearer to the eyes
  10. 00:46:055 - I can hear a sound evidently present on this 1/4, so I'm a little worried about you 1/6'ing over this.

    it's more of following the stuttering sound on the background, it's not a good idea to do 1/16 so i simplified it and crafted it such that it has a increasing snap difficulty over time leading to the crash
  11. 00:54:030 (54030|1,54078|2,54459|3,54506|2) - Quite a prominent 1/4 snare running through this one, so I'm pretty sure this isn't ok.

    it's not 1/4, it's 1/8, i did 1/6 so as to make it flow better
  12. 00:57:268 (57268|3) - Pretty sure this is a ghost note

    pretty sure it isn't
  13. 01:09:338 (69338|2) - There's a kick here, so if you can make this a double. At least put a hitsound on it.

    what, a double? i added a kick
  14. 01:16:480 (76480|2,76480|0) - I'd rather this be a double OH minijack, but there's loads about, so your call.

    I have no idea what you are talking about
  15. 01:23:694 (83694|2,83694|1,83694|0) - Thought it would've made more sense for this to be a quad? (given that these LN quads are meant to be representing the same thing, this feels odd not to have the quad here too)

    01:23:551 (83551|3,83622|3) - these notes don't allow me to quad, either way i'm making those 2 notes hammer
  16. 01:24:265 (84265|1,84265|2) - There's no kick here, so I'm not too sure why this one's a double.

    made it a single
  17. 01:26:265 (86265|3,86265|0) - ^

    same
  18. 01:28:122 (88122|2) - Double here?

    no, why
  19. 01:32:836 (92836|2,92836|3) - Quad or no? (cymbal crash)

    same reasoning as before
  20. 01:48:549 (108549|0,108549|2,108549|1,108549|3) - there's no cymbal crash here which kinda makes this quad completely redundant.

    yea was thinking about that one for a while, i made it a double instead
  21. 01:51:120 (111120|2,111120|3) - Maybe a quad for this though?

    same reasoning as before


Fun to play, just a couple of snap discrepancies I can imagine quite a few people would complain about.

most of the snap differences are for playability purposes anyways so i think it's fine
thanks

http://puu.sh/yhsOq/1f7936bdd1.osu
-SoraGami-

Asherz007 wrote:

Not much here at all...

  1. 00:51:983 - Feel like you should map this sound, given 00:53:125 (53125|3) exists. it's actually just an echo from 01:51:120 (111120|2) - and if it is not, it is not that audible compared to the others
  2. 01:55:119 - You could cap the LN here since there is a definite kick-ish sound here. will do
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Topic Starter
Vampir

Asherz007 wrote:

soft-hitfinish: 100% (just about audible)
soft-hitclap2: Here it is again about 15dB louder because at the moment it's just way too quiet no matter what volume you have it at. Just drop it in the folder, remaining at 40% with that link above appears to work fine.
Agree with that Evening's HS is much awesome, but I also expressed my hitsounds in my way.

This difficulty feels crazily spiky. I think the awkwardness just comes out of having LNs with such dense patterns, and it's not really that nice to play.
- I made this pattern with high dense of LNs by playing hundreds times.
I considered seriously and i finally determined this pattern is not akward with this song I think it is harmonized.


Also I feel the odhp is too lenient, so I recommend increase to od8.5 hp8.5. - Fix

  1. 00:32:842 (32842|1,32842|2) - Would probably make these 1/4 shorter to match where the one sound ends. (since you're trying to cover to sounds with these and it's not really working that well.)
    The laser sound finished at the blue tick so i think the current is better
  2. 00:42:269 (42269|2,42269|3,42269|0,42269|1) - How come quad/2 LNs here?
    Fix
  3. 00:46:055 - There's a sound present on the 1/4, so a 1/6 pattern over this isn't really a good idea. Also not really a big fan of the really awkward directional changes here either. If there's anything that you can do to alleviate the strain, I recommend you do so.
    actually 1/6 gets more emphasis than 1/4, also I considered to make pattern easy to hit, not so awkward and I think this pattern fits with characteristics of this song
  4. 00:46:554 (46554|0,46554|3,46554|1,46697|2,46697|1,46697|0) - Feel like these are unnecessarily triples. Any reason why they are that way?
    drum emphasis
  5. 00:49:983 (49983|2) - +note in col 1 for kick
    Fix
  6. 00:51:411 (51411|3,51411|0,51411|2) - only a kick here so double here will do
    Fix
  7. 00:53:768 (53768|2,53840|3,53911|2,53982|1,54054|0,54089|1) - Not really a fan of the one-hand trill movement going on here, especially with the changing snaps. It develops a little bit too much strain in cols 2 and 3. Might want to rearrange this slightly.
    Fix
  8. 00:54:839 (54839|3,54839|0,54839|1,54982|1,54982|2) - not sure why these chords are different sizes for equally intense sounds in the music.
    Fix
  9. 01:05:124 (65124|3,65124|1,65124|0) - Feel like triple here might be a little overkill given your current layering here.
    Emphasised introduction
  10. 01:10:838 (70838|1,70838|3,70909|0,70981|1,70981|3,71052|2,71124|1,71124|3,71195|0,71266|1,71266|3,71338|2) - Kinda uncomfortable. I know you want emphasis on those snares, but I'd switch to a more "traditional" js burst (like [24]3[12]4[13]2 etc)
    it just "looks like" uncomfortable, not so uncomfortable pattern and I actually don't like traditional js pattern either
  11. 01:16:694 (76694|2,76694|3) - Why double here? Layering would suggest just the LN here.
    Fix
  12. 01:20:408 (80408|3,81123|0,81694|3,81980|2) - I feel like the LNs are "getting in the way", so to speak. With only the 3 remaining columns to use, this becomes overly difficult, thus a spike of sorts. Replacing the LNs with SNs and repatterning would significantly reduce the strain here.
    This is pretty subjectivity suggestion, this won't be a problem with current overall layer
  13. 01:22:480 - What happened to hitsounds?
    same with heres too.
  14. 01:27:408 (87408|2,87408|3) - Why a double here?
    Fix
  15. 01:30:979 (90979|3,91050|0,91122|1,91122|2,91122|3,91193|0,91265|2,91265|3,91336|0,91407|1,91407|2,91407|3) - Might want to move some of this about so that the OH trill moves back to the right hand, since I feel in its current state it's a little bit too long to be in one hand.
    uhh I actually keep with current pattern, agree with that it's pretty heavy on right hand but as I said, this one wouldn't be so hard with overall layer
  16. 01:31:943 (91943|1,91979|0) - Dunno whether you'd wanna to swap these two around for the simple roll. Up to you.
    I'll keep current pattern then
  17. 01:35:407 (95407|0,95407|1) - Why double?
    Fix
  18. 01:41:406 (101406|0) - I'd probably sacrifice this LN to have the more accurate triple for the crash at 01:41:692.
    Feel no need to change
  19. 01:47:120 (107120|3,107192|2) - needs hitsounds
    pretty faint beat for hitsounds.
  20. 01:47:263 (107263|1,107977|2,108263|0,108549|3,109691|0) - Again, I feel these LNs are making this burst section far more difficult than it needs to be. Suggest removing and repatterning, like last time.
    Same reasoning as before
  1. 00:19:414 (19414|2,19414|1) - Feels like a double with little reasoning, other than something like "new phrase". I wouldn't, given that no other difficulty has anything more than a single here.
    00:10:272 - 00:14:843 - Intended.
  2. 01:13:123 (73123|2,73123|1,73695|3,73695|0) - Would've thought these would be LNs?
    For emphasis piano only
  3. 01:22:123 (82123|1,83122|2) - Would make these 1/2 shorter to go with where the strings end.
    Fix
  4. 01:38:692 - Feel like you should map this, given 01:36:407 (96407|0).
    Fix
  5. 01:49:120 (109120|1) - Personally feel the more important sound is 1/2 earlier, so I suggest moving this note there.
    I think this is right


Took a little while, but there you go.
Reminder that this is an objective pop; issues do need to be addressed.

Call me back whenever everyone's done. (hopefully I haven't died by then lol)
Thanks
Fontes

Asherz007 wrote:

Snap discrepancies forcing me to pop for now, apologies about that.

Kinda really bothers me how evening's difficulty uses completely different hitsounding... whatever. I like the hitsounds on EX better lol

o!m needs more truly hard charts anyway, so it's not like this would be a veto or anything.

I'll start with where the issue lies and then work my way backwards.

Nice beegees tho

1|2|3|4

Would buff HP to 8. (based on whether the SHD odhp changes but whatever lol)
ok buffed

  1. 00:16:986 (16986|0,17129|0,18700|3,18843|3,18986|0,19129|0) - not quite sure of the sudden swap to using these short minijacks here. It's a nice idea, but it doesn't appear to be used consistently. Ideally, you either make all of the 1/2 consecutive jumps like this or not at all (would choose the first option myself). Ultimately up to you though.
    at this part piano sounds and drum sounds are together. i tried to catch both, and i think jacks are quite good to accent countinuos 1/2 sounds.
    but i fixed some arrangement to clear this intent.

  2. 00:36:698 (36698|2,36698|3) - missing hitsounds
    added
  3. 00:37:413 (37413|2,37413|1,37555|1,37555|2) - Not sure why it's a double minijack here, since there's a slight change between the first and second double. Could go for something like [23][24][134] here (and properly layering the crash).
    cuz these sounds are snare drum sounds and i intended. maybe that slight difference is other sounds with this that are 1/4.
  4. 00:47:126 (47126|0,47126|2,47126|3) - Wait, how come there's a sudden switch to triples here? I mean as an idea it's not an issue, it's more the problem that you aren't able to consistency layer them as triples given that this is an HD.
    this song part i didn put LN so i decided to give 3 notes snare drum sounds to accent these. i think assigning number of notes to the sound dosen matter if we keep consistancy in each part, i mean don need to keep that in whole chart. its on mapper's expression what he intended.
    but anyway i fixed some latter part to clear more these 3notes.
  5. 00:53:982 - hitsounds missing?
    added
  6. 01:26:265 (86265|3,86551|0) - Struggling to figure out what these are mapped to, given 01:25:694 (85694|3,85836|0).
    oh, that LN is the latter of two 1/2 piano sounds. but i make it wrong so i fixed. thx.


Other than that it's pretty neatly constructed. Like it.


Took a little while, but there you go.
Reminder that this is an objective pop; issues do need to be addressed.

Call me back whenever everyone's done. (hopefully I haven't died by then lol)
Thx for mod :)
Asherz007
Still a remaining concern about those hitsounds being a little too quiet on EZ, HD and SHD. They need to be audible over the audio, which is why I suggested the volume edits. I'll check hitsounds once I get clarification on this, just in case something changes.

[Timing]
Something I overlooked first time around. Any particular reason for the bpm being 210.02 rather than 210?

Also, could you put another red line at 00:01:130? (Assuming offset is not changing, might be within a few ms otherwise) The first measure is a lead-in measure (which only needs a red line because of the SVs) and this point is the start of the song. (Something about nightcore mod as well)

[EZ]
01:22:123 (82123|1,83122|2) - p sure I said something about making both of them 1/2 shorter rather than just one lol

Rest of the set looks fine to me, so call me back once you've finished sorting this little bit out.
Topic Starter
Vampir

Asherz007 wrote:

Still a remaining concern about those hitsounds being a little too quiet on EZ, HD and SHD. They need to be audible over the audio, which is why I suggested the volume edits. I'll check hitsounds once I get clarification on this, just in case something changes.

[Timing]
Something I overlooked first time around. Any particular reason for the bpm being 210.02 rather than 210?

Also, could you put another red line at 00:01:130? (Assuming offset is not changing, might be within a few ms otherwise) The first measure is a lead-in measure (which only needs a red line because of the SVs) and this point is the start of the song. (Something about nightcore mod as well)

[EZ]
01:22:123 (82123|1,83122|2) - p sure I said something about making both of them 1/2 shorter rather than just one lol

Rest of the set looks fine to me, so call me back once you've finished sorting this little bit out.
I aksed a lot of people for BPM and all people said 210.02 is also fine, (I made a mistake at first actually, and ya 210 is also fine ya), and you know, this is really hard to fix all of SVs in Evening's diff when BPM changes, so I'll keep this BPM

Fixed my hitsound, and sorry, I misunderstood your suggestion on easy, fixed
Sinnoh
This is a non-negotiable issue regardless of anyone's opinion. The timing either gets changed to 210 bpm to match the mp3, or this set will never get ranked. The change in bpm is enough to make the difference between 300s and 200s by the end.



If you really can't change this, there's a stupid alternate solution. If you slow down the mp3 file by 0.9999048% then the song will be 210.02 bpm. I would never suggest doing this normally, but there are a lot of green lines so I'd consider it an option.
Beomsan

Sinnoh wrote:

If you really can't change this, there's a stupid alternate solution. If you slow down the mp3 file by 0.9999048%
holy fck
eyes
I had the same situation with wrong bpm and many svs on my diff, I found a resolve.
Resnapping notes is easy, so you can do it manually, but svs is too long work
so you can convert evening diff with rate changer (which includes sv shifting function) and change the speed for 210/210,02=0.999904771 sooo, when you did it note-objects will be time-offed so just forget about notes, just copy all svs from this diff and they should fit for 210 bpm.

I know my english is bad, please ask me if you don't understand something
did it myself

I tried this way and here it is.
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Some SVs can be off for 1-2 ms but I think it won't be noticeable
Topic Starter
Vampir

Sinnoh wrote:

This is a non-negotiable issue regardless of anyone's opinion. The timing either gets changed to 210 bpm to match the mp3, or this set will never get ranked. The change in bpm is enough to make the difference between 300s and 200s by the end.



If you really can't change this, there's a stupid alternate solution. If you slow down the mp3 file by 0.9999048% then the song will be 210.02 bpm. I would never suggest doing this normally, but there are a lot of green lines so I'd consider it an option.
Thanks xD
Topic Starter
Vampir

eyes wrote:

I had the same situation with wrong bpm and many svs on my diff, I found a resolve.
Resnapping notes is easy, so you can do it manually, but svs is too long work
so you can convert evening diff with rate changer (which includes sv shifting function) and change the speed for 210/210,02=0.999904771 sooo, when you did it note-objects will be time-offed so just forget about notes, just copy all svs from this diff and they should fit for 210 bpm.

I know my english is bad, please ask me if you don't understand something
Thank you for the help!

I will try it.
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