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Koizumi Hanayo (CV.Kubo Yurika) - Nawatobi [Taiko]

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KamizonoShinobu
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Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Hi, here comes a taiko mod as requested.

[General]


Romanised Artist: Koizumi Hanayo (CV.Kubo Yurika)

  • [Kantan]
  1. 00:19:140 and 00:22:298 - consider adding k here for a more balanced spread with Futsuu ? Good idea, changed.
  2. 00:28:614 and 00:41:245 - same as ^
  3. 00:34:930 and 00:47:561 - similar to ^ , d would be better.
    ^tbh I want to make this part as easy as possible, so I think its ok imo
  4. 01:02:561 (29,30) - consider deleting these notes for a 4/1 break ? Currently the pattern chain is too long from 00:52:298 to 02:14:403 - , having no rest moment in between.
    ^I think the song itself is so slow that 2/1 break can be considered as 4/1 break. But I guess it'll be fine to reflect its SR.
  5. 01:14:403 (1) - this spinner sounds a bit out of place. Maybe delete it and then add d at 01:14:403 ? Would be nice, changed
  6. 01:26:245 - you may add k here for the vocal.
  7. 01:28:614 (45) - k would accompany the background instrument well. ^ all 2 applied
  8. 01:53:087 (20,21) - same as 01:02:561 (29,30) -
    ^This time, however I rejected. Since this would be inconsistent with 01:42:824 (10,11,12) - . Plus, there are piano fxs that can be mapped. Moreover, its kiai time here so that it can be fitted with harder patterns.
  9. 02:00:982 - same as 00:19:140 - Ok, since there are piano fxs
  10. 02:08:087 (29) - same as 01:28:614 (45) - Simply used the same pattern in 01:23:877 (5,6,7,8) -
  • [Futsuu]

    Consider HP8 for a more linear difficulty setting progression across the set ? I would do that if futsuu has less notes
  1. 00:08:877 (2,8) - you may delete these notes to reduce the gap with Kantan. The current note density here is rather similar to Muzukashii.
  2. 00:21:509 (13) - same as ^
  3. 00:29:403 (18,20,23,27,34,43) - maybe remove these notes ? Kantan is relatively sparse in this session. I nerfed this part heavily.
  4. 01:05:719 (22,24) - consider deleting these notes for a 2/1 break ? The current 1/1 + 1/2 pattern chain is rather long. For this I will consider about it, because the fxs there made me think that its not the best solution to create 1/2 break, but, I do made a break at 01:15:982 -
  5. 01:27:824 (16) - 01:40:456 (12) and 01:53:087 (30) - same as ^
    ^Fixed
Thanks for mod!
Nardoxyribonucleic
A quick recheck here. (no kd)

[General]

Romanised Artist should be "Koizumi Hanayo (CV.Kubo Yurika)". It would be better to have a space in between Hanayo and the left parenthesis.

  • [Kantan]
  1. 00:28:614 and 00:41:245 - I think you need to reconsider adding k here for a more balanced spread with Futsuu. Futsuu even has 1/1 notes in this session, so at least some 2/1 notes are required in order to reduce the difficulty gap with Futsuu. If you compare Futsuu's density with Muzukashii, you will know why an increase in note density in Kantan at these spots are essential.
  2. 00:34:930 and 00:47:561 - similar to ^ , d would be better.
  3. 01:53:087 (20,21) - There is no need to keep consistency with 01:43:614 (11,12) - since the vocal pattern is entirely different that vocal stops at 01:52:298 - . The overall density in the kiai is already much higher than the non-kiai parts due to the intensive use of 1/1 triplets, and harder patterns do not mean rest moment could be omitted, considering this is the lowest difficulty designed for beginners.
  • [Futsuu]
  1. 01:05:719 (22,24) - Please think again about the deletion for a 2/1 break. The current 23-second 1/1+1/2 pattern chain is just too long in a non-kiai part of this calm song for this level of difficulty. By removing these notes, you can have a rest moment accompanying the stretching vocal and also reduce the difficulty gap with Kantan considerably.
  • [Skylish's Muzukashii]
  1. The difference I could hear between Normal and Soft hit-sounds is mainly the volume difference. You could still manipulate their emphasis by implementing volume changes. That is why I would prefer consistency over Soft sampleset. This is up to you though as it does not contradict with the ranking criteria.
  2. * - I think you should avoid 1/4 dkd kdk dkk kdd as this is a Muzukashii. Level of difficulty is determined by the snapping and complexity of patterns independent of song BPM. This difficulty could already be regarded as an easy Oni owing to the extensive use of those 1/4 advanced triplets. Please reconsider the triplet suggestions stated in my previous post since this is only a 76BPM Muzukashii for the difficulty as well as the spread's sake.
  3. An effective rest moment for Muzukashii should have a 2/1 length at least. Please consider this as a difficulty for intermediate players and think again about the suggestions of rest moment in order to provide occasional breaks for them. Again, this is not only for difficulty requirement but also the balance of spread with Futsuu.
Topic Starter
KamizonoShinobu

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

A quick recheck here. (no kd)

[General]

Romanised Artist should be "Koizumi Hanayo (CV.Kubo Yurika)". It would be better to have a space in between Hanayo and the left parenthesis.

  • [Kantan]
  1. 00:28:614 and 00:41:245 - I think you need to reconsider adding k here for a more balanced spread with Futsuu. Futsuu even has 1/1 notes in this session, so at least some 2/1 notes are required in order to reduce the difficulty gap with Futsuu. If you compare Futsuu's density with Muzukashii, you will know why an increase in note density in Kantan at these spots are essential.
  2. 00:34:930 and 00:47:561 - similar to ^ , d would be better.
    ^Guess my reason won't stand in this situation. Fixed
  3. 01:53:087 (20,21) - There is no need to keep consistency with 01:43:614 (11,12) - since the vocal pattern is entirely different that vocal stops at 01:52:298 - . The overall density in the kiai is already much higher than the non-kiai parts due to the intensive use of 1/1 triplets, and harder patterns do not mean rest moment could be omitted, considering this is the lowest difficulty designed for beginners.
    >Even tho the points you made were legit. However, in terms of instumental music, 01:33:351 (1) - to 01:44:403 (12) - and 01:45:982 (13) - to 01:57:035 (24) - are identical, therefore consistency is a MUST here in order to emphasis the repetitive music parts. It is a fact the song has called for it, we cannot omit the music structure simply because the vocal are different at 2 parts.
  • [Futsuu]
  1. 01:05:719 (22,24) - Please think again about the deletion for a 2/1 break. The current 23-second 1/1+1/2 pattern chain is just too long in a non-kiai part of this calm song for this level of difficulty. By removing these notes, you can have a rest moment accompanying the stretching vocal and also reduce the difficulty gap with Kantan considerably.
    >Fixed
Thanks for mod again.
Skylish
I am insisted on using HS:S due to the Finish and kat HS. It is undoubted that HS:N Finishers are crashing this soft music.

* I will make a compromised option in the usage of triplet: remove all dkk / kdd because they are indeed too hard for alt. hand; keep dkd / kdk, they are fine for a contrasting colour appearance.

! Muzukashii is different from Futsuu obviously due to different mapping channels. I follow vocal and instruments simultaneously in Muzukashii, i.e. more elements are mapped with appropriate notes. The spread between Futsuu and Muzukashii should not be only considered by the mearsure of breaks and density (excluding common break like 01:23:877 - ).

> Speaking of break in Muzukashii, the measurement should be shortened to 1/1 break only, as the instrument part does not support a 2/1 break or mapping channels are not followed well. (1/1 gap is sufficient to be very honest) I try to leave more 2/1 gaps between sections and sections though.

[Fixes]

! Change all dkk / kdd to ddk / kkd.

> 01:16:377 - / 01:16:772 - removed for a 2/1 gap

> 01:58:219 - dkd dk kdk kd to emphasize the vocal pattern, and passively leave out more space. Originally, triplet x4 may be too harsh after my review on them. *SR is broken after that*


Skylish's Muzukashii: https://puu.sh/v5BiN/8ab1188e4e.rar
Topic Starter
KamizonoShinobu
Oh, WOW.

Might consider to change my 2 diff to HS:S to prevent HS inconsistency
Nardoxyribonucleic
Here comes another mod for the set since a new Muzukashii has been added.

  • [Kantan]
  1. 01:53:087 (20,21) - Please reconsider deleting these notes for a 4/1 break. As mentioned in the previous post, such a break is crucial especially when patterns are consecutively mapped from 01:17:561 to 02:10:456 - , lasting nearly one full minute. Certain emphasis is lacking as well since 1/1 triplets are plainly arranged throughout the kiai.
  • [Futsuu]
  1. From 00:52:298 to 01:33:351 - this part has very similar density with Muzukashii. Try to remove notes like 00:54:272 (4,5,14,15) - for a better spread.
  2. 01:12:035 (26,28) - same as ^
  3. 01:18:351 (2,6,8) - ^
  • [Muzukashii]
  1. 00:23:087 (17) - maybe k as you did in lower difficulties ?
  2. 00:18:351 (11,12) - you may swap these notes to k d if you apply ^ for variation.
  3. 01:18:745 (3) - consider changing this note to k to accompany the relatively high-pitched vocal ?
  • [Skylish's Oni]

    Consider using 1.25x SV instead of 1.5x in the kiai ? As a relaxing song I think 1.5x is too abrupt.
  1. 01:35:719 (8,9) - these notes could be swapped to follow the pitch decrease of piano.
  2. 01:48:351 (8,9) - same as ^
You may call me back after that.
Skylish

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Here comes another mod for the set since a new Muzukashii has been added.

  • [Skylish's Oni]

    Consider using 1.25x SV instead of 1.5x in the kiai ? As a relaxing song I think 1.5x is too abrupt.
  1. 01:35:719 (8,9) - these notes could be swapped to follow the pitch decrease of piano.
  2. 01:48:351 (8,9) - same as ^
> All fixed

< Self-mod:

02:06:114 (3) - change to D due to the little halt right after 02:05:719 - , a certain emphasis for 02:06:114 - is needed imo. Same principle as of 01:09:272 -



You may call me back after that.
Thanks for modding again! :>

Updated Skylish's Oni: https://puu.sh/wSb2f/3bccb0f285.rar
Topic Starter
KamizonoShinobu
No comment = fixed

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Here comes another mod for the set since a new Muzukashii has been added.

  • [Kantan]
  1. 01:53:087 (20,21) - Please reconsider deleting these notes for a 4/1 break. As mentioned in the previous post, such a break is crucial especially when patterns are consecutively mapped from 01:17:561 to 02:10:456 - , lasting nearly one full minute. Certain emphasis is lacking as well since 1/1 triplets are plainly arranged throughout the kiai. >I am still insisted on current pattern in order to emphasis the identical parts. Couldn't the break be somewhere else? e.g. 02:06:114 (31,32) - ? *P.S.: Following whether the vocal is singing or not isn't my 1st intention. nvm fixed
  • [Futsuu]
  1. From 00:52:298 to 01:33:351 - this part has very similar density with Muzukashii. Try to remove notes like 00:54:272 (4,5,14,15) - for a better spread.
  2. 01:12:035 (26,28) - same as ^
  3. 01:18:351 (2,6,8) - ^
  • [Muzukashii]
  1. 00:23:087 (17) - maybe k as you did in lower difficulties ?
  2. 00:18:351 (11,12) - you may swap these notes to k d if you apply ^ for variation. >Prefer to be consistent with futsuu
  3. 01:18:745 (3) - consider changing this note to k to accompany the relatively high-pitched vocal ? >This is however inconsistent with previous parts.
Once again thanks for mod.

Updated Skylish's Oni
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What do those numbers mean in the description?
Topic Starter
KamizonoShinobu

Kisses wrote:

What do those numbers mean in the description?
Those are in Taiko no Tatsujin difficulty scale, not those shown in osu.
Nardoxyribonucleic
The set looks fine at the moment upon addition of new Muzukashii. Pattern placement is generally coherent and rest moments are sufficient in lower difficulties.

Bubbled~
Surono
thingy about spread.. yeah 1 spot and discus about 1.4 sv to 1.6 sv
11:46 Chocola_2287: a
11:52 Chocola_2287: dem
11:52 Chocola_2287: spred LoafLifu
11:53 Surono: ngh
11:53 Chocola_2287: w33bs
11:54 Surono: /np/npnpn
11:54 *Surono is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1356256 Koizumi Hanayo (CV.Kubo Yurika) - Nawatobi [Muzukashii]]
11:54 Surono: nn/n.npn
11:54 Surono: soft HS B^) wqqwqwqwwqw
11:54 Surono: BG absolutely halal
11:55 Surono: rip waifuz q, .,
11:56 Surono: 01:45:193 - check here and compare with muzu, futsuu and kantan...... rip
11:56 Chocola_2287: demmm
11:56 Chocola_2287: ?
11:56 Surono: so yeh
11:57 Surono: muzu kkd 1/2, futsuu k d, and katana just d
11:57 Chocola_2287: dem...
11:57 Surono: or idk
11:57 Surono: or yea dem
11:58 Surono: yeh i mean katana jst do nothing, futsuu kd 1/1 and muzu kkd 1/2 ew
11:58 Chocola_2287: kanana WKOWKOWKOW
11:58 Surono: WKOQKOWQKQW
11:58 Surono: u want keep soft hs cuz da loaf laifuuuu is softttttttttt sengeng
11:58 Surono: yeh ikr ~_~
11:58 Chocola_2287: dem then me prob will buff futsuu
11:59 Surono: sv 1.4 noap fasto... 1.6 if ye.. okey.. post for ez kd
Topic Starter
KamizonoShinobu

Surono wrote:

thingy about spread.. yeah 1 spot and discus about 1.4 sv to 1.6 sv
11:46 Chocola_2287: a
11:52 Chocola_2287: dem
11:52 Chocola_2287: spred LoafLifu
11:53 Surono: ngh
11:53 Chocola_2287: w33bs
11:54 Surono: /np/npnpn
11:54 *Surono is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1356256 Koizumi Hanayo (CV.Kubo Yurika) - Nawatobi [Muzukashii]]
11:54 Surono: nn/n.npn
11:54 Surono: soft HS B^) wqqwqwqwwqw
11:54 Surono: BG absolutely halal
11:55 Surono: rip waifuz q, .,
11:56 Surono: 01:45:193 - check here and compare with muzu, futsuu and kantan...... rip
11:56 Chocola_2287: demmm
11:56 Chocola_2287: ?
11:56 Surono: so yeh
11:57 Surono: muzu kkd 1/2, futsuu k d, and katana just d
11:57 Chocola_2287: dem...
11:57 Surono: or idk
11:57 Surono: or yea dem
11:58 Surono: yeh i mean katana jst do nothing, futsuu kd 1/1 and muzu kkd 1/2 ew
11:58 Chocola_2287: kanana WKOWKOWKOW
11:58 Surono: WKOQKOWQKQW
11:58 Surono: u want keep soft hs cuz da loaf laifuuuu is softttttttttt sengeng
11:58 Surono: yeh ikr ~_~
11:58 Chocola_2287: dem then me prob will buff futsuu
11:59 Surono: sv 1.4 noap fasto... 1.6 if ye.. okey.. post for ez kd
Futsuu:
01:45:193 (17) - added k to maintain a spread between kantan and muzu
Surono


yea rip sarutobi

wait 1 month for rank B^|
soon(ti eim)
Surono
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Nitrous
Grats on rank! Though I have concerns with your mp3. The audio quality is quite fuzzy compared to Xinely's ranked version. Its just bothering me.
Topic Starter
KamizonoShinobu

-Nitrous wrote:

Grats on rank! Though I have concerns with your mp3. The audio quality is quite fuzzy compared to Xinely's ranked version. Its just bothering me.
imo the 2 map's mp3 files does not have difference in quality
Nitrous
Its noticeable in vocals. It sounds less crisp in your mp3 hence why I said it was fuzzy. Here's an image comparison on the spectrogram:
Notice the cut-off at 10kHz? That's the main reason.
Skylish
Quality of 128 kbps mp3 will be compressed and be damaged a bit as we all know. The mp3 quality in this mapset may not be the best, but it's still acceptable.
Topic Starter
KamizonoShinobu
128kbps mp3 file is enough for gameplay experience. The flaws are not obvious at all during gameplay.
qoot8123
Hi o/

I feel the offset is a bit early , it is not match the beat sound perfectly (especially 01:36:114 -,01:36:509 - ), you may check it again.
Topic Starter
KamizonoShinobu

qoot8123 wrote:

Hi o/

I feel the offset is a bit early , it is not match the beat sound perfectly (especially 01:36:114 -,01:36:509 - ), you may check it again.
OD is not high so it is not obvious during gameplay.
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