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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on February 4, 2017 at 1:26:39 AM

Artist: Demetori
Title: Fall of Fall ~ The Door Into Summer
Source: 東方風神録 ~ Mountain of Faith.
Tags: Touhou Fuujinroku 東方Project Lebenstrieb & Todestrieb 秋めく滝 Autumnal Waterfall Stage 4 犬走椛 Inubashiri Momiji ZUN comiket 91 c91
BPM: 180
Filesize: 9727kb
Play Time: 05:30
Difficulties Available:
  1. Extra Stage (5.8 stars, 1507 notes)


Download: Demetori - Fall of Fall ~ The Door Into Summer
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Lebenstrieb & Todestrieb
フォールオブフォール ~ 秋めく滝
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first haha
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2st
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thirst
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AAAH again not enough slots to favourite a map.. Have a star
Thanks for the beatmap
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yes
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[Extra]

tbh I've never really heard of the current resolution that the bg is in, you could use this which is just 1920 x 1080 if you want

00:41:671 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - Since you decided to map this with kicksliders instead of circles like 00:31:004 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - , maybe gradually increase spacing of the kick sliders? rn it kinda feels like you're doing the same kinda movement even though the song gets more intense
01:30:004 (2,3) - I feel like you should be emphasizing the guitar more than you do the drums here since you focus on emphasizing the guitar on 01:27:004 (1,2,3) - and they're pretty similar with how the rhythm is with the guitar and drums (also pitch is really high so it feels p underemphasized w/ low spacing for 3)
01:32:671 (2,3) - kinda the same thing, you choose to emphasize the guitar on 01:22:004 (2,3,4) - so I don't see why you shouldn't keep following guitar, the guitar here stands out the most imo
01:47:504 (4,1) - It would be nicer imo if there was more spacing between these, 01:47:004 (1,2,3,4) - felt more natural since both guitar beats 01:47:004 (1,2,3,4) - had spacing changes, since there wasn't a spacing change for 01:47:504 (4,1) - it felt a bit odd in play
01:58:337 (1,2,3) - Spacing here could be toned down a bit I think, the music gets really quiet here but it still kinda has the spacing similar to other 1/4 sliders in the more intense sections
02:03:504 (4,1) - Technically I think the NC should be on 4 instead of 1 since that's where the guitar rhythm starts, but it's a lot nicer if the NC is where it is rn lol, if you want to slightly rework the pattern to make the NC swap work here that would be nice lol
02:07:004 (1,2,3,4) - The spacing here kinda felt lackluster since the spacing for 02:06:004 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - was so intense, you could slightly lower the spacing on the previous combo to make it not feel as contrast-heavy as it does now or boost the spacing for it
02:19:671 (1,2,3,1) - This rhythm feels pretty off in gameplay, and it's mostly cuz the beat for 02:20:004 - ends up being unclickable (which kinda feels awkward in play since you can hear it p clearly), you could try the pattern below since it makes things a bit smoother in gameplay while still being more intense than 02:19:004 (2,3) -

02:32:004 (1,2) - it was pretty hard to see the 1 was there in game cuz it took me like two tries to realize that it was there lol (I kept going to 2), I don't really know how you would make it a bit easier to notice, but I guess it's something to look out for if other people mention it too
02:48:671 (2,3) - Also back on this thing, since you've made it consistent I guess you could keep it but having it consistently emphasizing the guitar would feel better, but it's up to you ofc
03:04:337 (1,1,2,3,1) - I feel like you should make at least the first few notes have bigger spacing, rn the transition from streaming to this is pretty hard to notice, having a slight curve at the start for players to realize the low density rhythm would make gameplay a bit more intuitive
05:08:004 (7,1,2) - It's kinda rude to have this at the end of the map because it looks pretty easy to break on lol but I guess it's fine to keep, I feel like simplifying the rhythm just a little bit to be a bit more player-friendly would be good

Certainly nice to see something other than the normal 2016-2017 mapping nowadays lol

Very nice map, have a star, gl~
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M4M

  1. 00:20:337 (1,2,3,4) - 要不要缩一下这几个的ds,然后突出一下00:21:004 (5,6) -
  2. 00:52:587 (3) - 这个overmap玩的时候感觉有点奇怪
  3. 01:18:671 (5,2) - stack?
  4. 01:30:504 (4,2) - ^
  5. 02:25:504 (4,1) - 1是重音还加了finish感觉ds可以大些
  6. 02:32:004 (1,2) - 这两个ctrl+G,增加02:32:337 (1) - 前面的ds,会比较突出这个重音
  7. 03:06:837 (2,1,2) - 这里的nc感觉有点奇怪?感觉反而加大读图难度
  8. 03:28:587 (2,5) - 这段玩的时候会明显感觉在跟鼓,然后这俩地方没鼓声就很怪,虽然停下来是能听到有旋律音吧,但感觉并不该跟.或者干脆改成Sampleset: Normal
  9. 03:58:505 (6,1) - 这个要stack吗
  10. 04:24:587 (2,3) - 全nc?
  11. 04:36:837 (3,2,2) - stack?


摸不出什么 star~
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Hello
[Extra Stage]
  1. Combo color 6&7 are too similar in gameplay, though they look different in setting. Try
    Combo6 : 190,52,250
    Combo7 : 124,186,254
  2. 02:31:837 (4,1) - not recommended to use jump, cause it's kiai intro and there's no drumbeat here.
  3. 02:42:421 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - a bit weird stream shape lol
  4. 03:04:337 (1,1) - why you use same ds as 03:04:671 (1,2,3) - , it would confuse player, try moving 123 further.
  5. 00:23:337 (2,5) - 01:12:337 (1,5) - 01:24:837 (4,7) - 01:30:504 (4,2) - 02:30:921 (2,2,3) - nazi stack things
  6. 01:45:171 (6) - recommend to delete, cause 00:28:837 (4,5,6,7) -
  7. 03:28:587 (2) - 03:29:254 (5) - overmapped
  8. 03:49:337 (4,5,6) - why not using a 1/3 reverse slider, cause bass sound is the most distinguishable here.
  9. 04:07:004 (1) - so weird bass sound here LOL, in no way could it be 1/3. I listened to it many times and i'm still not sure. For reference only: 04:07:087 - 04:07:150 - 04:07:212 - 04:07:275 - 然而滑条2确实是1/3,这就有点奇怪了
  10. 04:12:254 - missed a drumbeat
  11. 05:08:754 (1) -
    ∧ u g Φ E i d E s

Good Luck.
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oh yeah forgot to post this ...

oops
2017-01-09 22:51 nooblet: k there was uhhhh
2017-01-09 22:51 jonathanlfj: lol you went from almost failing to full hp
2017-01-09 22:51 nooblet: something near the end of kiai 1 and beginning of kiai 2
2017-01-09 22:51 nooblet: I'll find them
2017-01-09 22:51 nooblet: 01:27:504 (3,4) -
2017-01-09 22:51 jonathanlfj: thats an antiflow technique
2017-01-09 22:52 jonathanlfj: notice everything is backwards constructed
2017-01-09 22:52 jonathanlfj: any jumps felt weird?
2017-01-09 22:53 nooblet: hmm
2017-01-09 22:55 nooblet: not really
2017-01-09 22:55 jonathanlfj: ok there were a sepcific set of jumps that azer said felt out of place
2017-01-09 22:55 jonathanlfj: 03:53:504 (1) - hes refering to these
2017-01-09 22:56 nooblet: the 1/4 slider might be?
2017-01-09 22:56 nooblet: I like the guitar emphasis though
2017-01-09 22:56 jonathanlfj: there is a triplet there i would like to emphasize
2017-01-09 22:56 jonathanlfj: thats why its a red slider
2017-01-09 22:57 jonathanlfj: only the first set of jumps, the streams and these triplets used red colour
2017-01-09 22:57 nooblet: @@ I don't have colours on anything
2017-01-09 22:57 jonathanlfj: oh rip
2017-01-09 23:00 nooblet: hmm well imo that part felt ok apart from the beginning of it
2017-01-09 23:00 nooblet: I liked following the guitar
2017-01-09 23:00 nooblet: just not the 1/4's with it xD
2017-01-09 23:00 jonathanlfj: ok i will tone down the sv a bit
2017-01-09 23:00 jonathanlfj: but the triplet is so strong
2017-01-09 23:00 nooblet: the start was sorta like ?? but the rest was nice
2017-01-09 23:00 jonathanlfj: how did you like my stream undermap
2017-01-09 23:00 nooblet: 03:54:504 (3,4) - not a fan of these stacks though
2017-01-09 23:00 jonathanlfj: for the guitar solo
2017-01-09 23:00 nooblet: D: needs more streams
2017-01-09 23:01 nooblet: YEAH THAT SOLO was sorta ... underwhelming
2017-01-09 23:01 jonathanlfj: lol it becomes unplayable trust me i tried it
2017-01-09 23:01 nooblet: I was gonna mention but thought it'd be a lot of redo so
2017-01-09 23:01 nooblet: didn't
2017-01-09 23:01 jonathanlfj: that it just a bunch of repeat sliders which is meh
2017-01-09 23:01 nooblet: but
2017-01-09 23:01 nooblet: like it's preceeded by a pretty tough section
2017-01-09 23:02 nooblet: and then yeah
2017-01-09 23:02 jonathanlfj: yeah basically
2017-01-09 23:03 jonathanlfj: also guitars were not as strong as the drum solo part
2017-01-09 23:03 nooblet: do you still have that version by any chance :>
2017-01-09 23:03 jonathanlfj: so if people are like omg i made it thorugh
2017-01-09 23:03 jonathanlfj: and then greated by another 15 seconds of streaming
2017-01-09 23:03 jonathanlfj: idk i would just esc and move on
2017-01-09 23:03 jonathanlfj: no i dont i delete stuff as i map
2017-01-09 23:03 nooblet: o ok
2017-01-09 23:03 nooblet: 03:41:504 (1) -
2017-01-09 23:04 jonathanlfj: that guitar sound in the middle is off snap
2017-01-09 23:04 nooblet: D:
2017-01-09 23:04 jonathanlfj: mapping it would make it feel really awkward to play
2017-01-09 23:04 jonathanlfj: somethings will have to be skipped unfortuately
2017-01-09 23:04 jonathanlfj: for playability
2017-01-09 23:05 nooblet: what about 1/4 slider -> 1/1 slider
2017-01-09 23:05 nooblet: like uhh
2017-01-09 23:05 nooblet: http://puu.sh/thbYH/3981ee948d.jpg
2017-01-09 23:05 jonathanlfj: it wont work because the guitar is closer to 1/3 than 1/4
2017-01-09 23:06 jonathanlfj: if i map the guitar i lose the drum which has a finish there
2017-01-09 23:06 nooblet: true
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HIIIII


[Extra Sexy]
00:55:004 (1) - This slider kinda seems out there. There's a lot going on here imo especially during the parts with 1/1 sliders. How about making 00:54:837 (6) - also a 1/1. I do hear the sounds you're going for with your slider but I don't believe it's not strong enough to make an impact and I think it's actually hindering your simplicity in sounds during that part. Another reason why is 00:53:504 (1) - has a correspondance in sound with the 1/1 slider I suggested you to make with that guitar.
01:12:004 (7) - a 3/4 sliders kinda acts quite a strong effect in playing here. Helps with the guitar hold instead of cutting it short and it fits really well.
01:32:837 (3) - Ctrl+G might actually do you more justice here. It has the same resemblance to 01:21:671 (1,3) - 01:27:504 (3,4) - It may not look the same but it ideally plays the same way
02:19:671 (1,2,3) - These are perfectly fine. It feels kinda small in spacing. If it was a tad bit bigger I believe it will be nice as well. Either way is cool
02:30:671 (1,2) - Inb4 people are confused with the spacing here
02:41:087 (5,6) - Doesn't feel natural to play tbh feels a bit spaced out compared to what is was in the previous kiai
Looks pretty fucking flawless man. You don't have to return m4m if you don't need to. Not really much I can say on this map.Be appreciated if you can make more mistakes :)
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Battle wrote:

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[Extra]

tbh I've never really heard of the current resolution that the bg is in, you could use this which is just 1920 x 1080 if you want this is the original resolution of the image which is in 16:10 aspect ratio; I would prefer not to crop and enlarge it to 1080p as some details will be lost on the top and bottom (which affects scaling to 4:3)

00:41:671 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - Since you decided to map this with kicksliders instead of circles like 00:31:004 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - , maybe gradually increase spacing of the kick sliders? rn it kinda feels like you're doing the same kinda movement even though the song gets more intense
01:30:004 (2,3) - I feel like you should be emphasizing the guitar more than you do the drums here since you focus on emphasizing the guitar on 01:27:004 (1,2,3) - and they're pretty similar with how the rhythm is with the guitar and drums (also pitch is really high so it feels p underemphasized w/ low spacing for 3)
01:32:671 (2,3) - kinda the same thing, you choose to emphasize the guitar on 01:22:004 (2,3,4) - so I don't see why you shouldn't keep following guitar, the guitar here stands out the most imo
01:47:504 (4,1) - It would be nicer imo if there was more spacing between these, 01:47:004 (1,2,3,4) - felt more natural since both guitar beats 01:47:004 (1,2,3,4) - had spacing changes, since there wasn't a spacing change for 01:47:504 (4,1) - it felt a bit odd in play i chose a smaller spacing because there is no significant beat on 01:47:504 (4), i've had numerous people test this part and nobody had issues with it
01:58:337 (1,2,3) - Spacing here could be toned down a bit I think, the music gets really quiet here but it still kinda has the spacing similar to other 1/4 sliders in the more intense sections
02:03:504 (4,1) - Technically I think the NC should be on 4 instead of 1 since that's where the guitar rhythm starts, but it's a lot nicer if the NC is where it is rn lol, if you want to slightly rework the pattern to make the NC swap work here that would be nice lol i think this is fine since its reusing the same NC pattern as 00:47:004 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3)
02:07:004 (1,2,3,4) - The spacing here kinda felt lackluster since the spacing for 02:06:004 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - was so intense, you could slightly lower the spacing on the previous combo to make it not feel as contrast-heavy as it does now or boost the spacing for it
02:19:671 (1,2,3,1) - This rhythm feels pretty off in gameplay, and it's mostly cuz the beat for 02:20:004 - ends up being unclickable (which kinda feels awkward in play since you can hear it p clearly), you could try the pattern below since it makes things a bit smoother in gameplay while still being more intense than 02:19:004 (2,3) - actually, if you listen to the music here carefully, the guitar makes a pitch shift at 02:19:893, which is a more stressed beat than 02:20:004 which is a monotonic drum sound (the drum emphasis is the same for every beat here)

02:32:004 (1,2) - it was pretty hard to see the 1 was there in game cuz it took me like two tries to realize that it was there lol (I kept going to 2), I don't really know how you would make it a bit easier to notice, but I guess it's something to look out for if other people mention it too
02:48:671 (2,3) - Also back on this thing, since you've made it consistent I guess you could keep it but having it consistently emphasizing the guitar would feel better, but it's up to you ofc for this one i want to keep it as is since the spacing is less intensive overall, it flows really well for me too
03:04:337 (1,1,2,3,1) - I feel like you should make at least the first few notes have bigger spacing, rn the transition from streaming to this is pretty hard to notice, having a slight curve at the start for players to realize the low density rhythm would make gameplay a bit more intuitive hmm i don't see the difference really, all my play testers were able to sight read this and enlarging this spacing will only mislead people more into thinking its 1/2
05:08:004 (7,1,2) - It's kinda rude to have this at the end of the map because it looks pretty easy to break on lol but I guess it's fine to keep, I feel like simplifying the rhythm just a little bit to be a bit more player-friendly would be good

Certainly nice to see something other than the normal 2016-2017 mapping nowadays lol

Very nice map, have a star, gl~

Pata-Mon wrote:

M4M

  1. 00:20:337 (1,2,3,4) - 要不要缩一下这几个的ds,然后突出一下00:21:004 (5,6) -
  2. 00:52:587 (3) - 这个overmap玩的时候感觉有点奇怪 不是overmap啊有鼓点的
  3. 01:18:671 (5,2) - stack? 这里stack有点难。。
  4. 01:30:504 (4,2) - ^
  5. 02:25:504 (4,1) - 1是重音还加了finish感觉ds可以大些 这里音乐音调朝下,所以我在减少DS
  6. 02:32:004 (1,2) - 这两个ctrl+G,增加02:32:337 (1) - 前面的ds,会比较突出这个重音
  7. 03:06:837 (2,1,2) - 这里的nc感觉有点奇怪?感觉反而加大读图难度
  8. 03:28:587 (2,5) - 这段玩的时候会明显感觉在跟鼓,然后这俩地方没鼓声就很怪,虽然停下来是能听到有旋律音吧,但感觉并不该跟.或者干脆改成Sampleset: Normal
  9. 03:58:505 (6,1) - 这个要stack吗 故意不stack的
  10. 04:24:587 (2,3) - 全nc?我觉得会更难读。。
  11. 04:36:837 (3,2,2) - stack?


摸不出什么 star~

Lavender wrote:

Hello
[Extra Stage]
  1. Combo color 6&7 are too similar in gameplay, though they look different in setting. Try
    Combo6 : 190,52,250
    Combo7 : 124,186,254
  2. 02:31:837 (4,1) - not recommended to use jump, cause it's kiai intro and there's no drumbeat here.
  3. 02:42:421 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - a bit weird stream shape lol its following the guitar change xD
  4. 03:04:337 (1,1) - why you use same ds as 03:04:671 (1,2,3) - , it would confuse player, try moving 123 further. there is a NC to indicate spacing change, also its supposed to be an antijump to contrast the continuous guitar solo
  5. 00:23:337 (2,5) - 01:12:337 (1,5) - 01:24:837 (4,7) - 01:30:504 (4,2) - 02:30:921 (2,2,3) - nazi stack things
  6. 01:45:171 (6) - recommend to delete, cause 00:28:837 (4,5,6,7) - there is an extra drum beat here
  7. 03:28:587 (2) - 03:29:254 (5) - overmapped following guitars in 3/4
  8. 03:49:337 (4,5,6) - why not using a 1/3 reverse slider, cause bass sound is the most distinguishable here. i believe the 1/4 is more tempting to hit here (i've tried both setups, triplet feels much more natural imo)
  9. 04:07:004 (1) - so weird bass sound here LOL, in no way could it be 1/3. I listened to it many times and i'm still not sure. For reference only: 04:07:087 - 04:07:150 - 04:07:212 - 04:07:275 - 然而滑条2确实是1/3,这就有点奇怪了 the point here is consistency; the first part may have a weird snapping, but force snapping it into 1/12 or 1/16 would cause a really awkward rhythm that would distract players from the main melody. Since the slider is not clickable using 1/3 here to simplify rhythm is fine. (Also the 3rd sound is 1/3, its only one of the sounds in the middle that feels off)
  10. 04:12:254 - missed a drumbeat
  11. 05:08:754 (1) -
    ∧ u g Φ E i d E s try it with HRSO :D

Good Luck.

Kocari wrote:

HIIIII


[Extra Sexy]
00:55:004 (1) - This slider kinda seems out there. There's a lot going on here imo especially during the parts with 1/1 sliders. How about making 00:54:837 (6) - also a 1/1. I do hear the sounds you're going for with your slider but I don't believe it's not strong enough to make an impact and I think it's actually hindering your simplicity in sounds during that part. Another reason why is 00:53:504 (1) - has a correspondance in sound with the 1/1 slider I suggested you to make with that guitar.
01:12:004 (7) - a 3/4 sliders kinda acts quite a strong effect in playing here. Helps with the guitar hold instead of cutting it short and it fits really well. it could work, but that means skipping the drums which i think is a more important layer to follow here due to the streams before
01:32:837 (3) - Ctrl+G might actually do you more justice here. It has the same resemblance to 01:21:671 (1,3) - 01:27:504 (3,4) - It may not look the same but it ideally plays the same way
02:19:671 (1,2,3) - These are perfectly fine. It feels kinda small in spacing. If it was a tad bit bigger I believe it will be nice as well. Either way is cool
02:30:671 (1,2) - Inb4 people are confused with the spacing here isn't it the same as 02:29:671 (1,2) tho?
02:41:087 (5,6) - Doesn't feel natural to play tbh feels a bit spaced out compared to what is was in the previous kiai
Looks pretty fucking flawless man. You don't have to return m4m if you don't need to. Not really much I can say on this map.Be appreciated if you can make more mistakes :)
no reply = fixed

Thanks for the mods and starz :D
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hey

00:19:671 (1) - just a little nazi thing, i would prob put the anchor point somewhere closer to the middle some ppl can properly see the slidershape better lol
00:20:337 (1,2,3,4) - it would be nice to make these a bit smaller so 00:21:004 (5,6) - can be emphasized better with the contrast?
01:13:587 - add note here?
02:42:171 (4,5,6) - 02:42:837 (10,11,1) - it might fit better if u decreased the spacing for just these sections of the stream?
04:35:754 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - ^
03:04:671 (1,2,3) - i think a ctrl g would be better spacing wise here?
03:22:337 (4,5) - *enhales.

metadata and call me bak
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Kibbleru wrote:

hey

00:19:671 (1) - just a little nazi thing, i would prob put the anchor point somewhere closer to the middle some ppl can properly see the slidershape better lol
00:20:337 (1,2,3,4) - it would be nice to make these a bit smaller so 00:21:004 (5,6) - can be emphasized better with the contrast?
01:13:587 - add note here?
02:42:171 (4,5,6) - 02:42:837 (10,11,1) - it might fit better if u decreased the spacing for just these sections of the stream? i feel like the emphasis is consistent here due to the clap drums (i dunno how to describe it, basically that drum sound i always use claps to cover), thats why i opted using direction change for emphasis
04:35:754 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - ^
03:04:671 (1,2,3) - i think a ctrl g would be better spacing wise here?
03:22:337 (4,5) - *enhales. blame drummer

metadata and call me bak
No reply = fixed, thanks for modding :D

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http://www.kawachi.zaq.ne.jp/demetori/



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think u can take 'Fall of Fall' out of tags cuz its in the title


edit: he pm'd me fixed, bubbled
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tyty
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recheck

03:54:337 (2) - 03:57:004 (2) - 03:59:670 (2) - if you could find a way to make the beats on these white ticks hitsounded to where it acknowledges the guitar a bit more would be nicer
04:35:504 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - If you could slightly lower the DS on this stream it would be a bit nicer imo, I always like miss all of these when I play it lol

that's all, call me back
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fixed them :D
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ok #2
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01:20:171 (1) - can you remove the whistle on the slider end, having the whistle on the body is enough
01:22:837 (1) - ^ nothing to really accent the whistle at the end of the slider (in the music)
01:24:837 (4) - whistle on slider start? Feels like it's being left out, since 01:26:171 (4) has one
01:30:837 (1) - same thing about the slider end whistle
01:33:504 (1) - ^
01:41:337 (6,7) - seems more like a slider here for the music? Something like the pair of 01:40:671 (3,4) -
02:36:171 (1) - and 02:38:837 (1) - so on so forth in the kiais (04:29:504 (1) - 04:32:171 (1) - 04:40:337 (1) - 04:42:837 (1) - )
02:40:837 (4) - same as 01:24:837 (4) - so on so forth for any remaining ones in kiai too (04:34:170 (4) - )
02:45:671 (1) - whistle
03:18:171 (3,5) - sudden whistles? Only place here with them
03:21:671 (1,2,3,4) - I find the rhythm here a little odd, the music still tends towards the rhythm of 03:16:337 (1,2,3,4) - though, not really seeing where the start of 03:21:837 (2,4) - lands on
03:25:504 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - seems like the whistles here go more with the lower pitch playing guitar, the one not playing the melody, but then the parts after have the whistles folowing that guitar part, I think you should just follow one of them all the way instead
04:28:671 (3,4) - more distance between them?
04:28:337 (1) - whistle
04:39:004 (1) - ^

Well just trying to make sense of the hitsounding lol, if I am understanding what you are trying to highlight..
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