14:24 Cryptic: ok
14:24 Cryptic: I'm gnna just
14:24 Cryptic: irc it here
14:24 Cryptic: you have time?
14:25 Okorin: sure
14:26 Cryptic: 00:58:290 (5,6) - 01:07:590 (3,4,5) - I get that you're having these stacked for the vocal voice or whatever, but it these are really strong notes that get no emphasis due to basically being a 1/4 spacing away. Also, you don't do it here 01:03:090 (5,6) -
14:27 Cryptic: I don't know what your goal/intention is with those patterns, but IMO the first two I linked need more umph behind their placement
14:27 Cryptic: This is on the top diff
14:28 Okorin: depends on how you follow sliders through lol
14:28 Okorin: also these two patterns are legit mapping what the vocalists say
14:29 Cryptic: what is he saying
14:30 Okorin: 00:57:390 (4,5,6) - translates to sth about i want to be next to you and and then female voice goes "when i'm with you" 00:58:890 (1,2,3,4,5) - in this pattern and
14:30 Okorin: then male vocalist goes 01:00:390 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - time passes 100 times faster
14:30 Okorin: but taking that statement literally wouldve been a bad idea
14:30 Okorin: in 01:07:290 (1,2,3,4,5) - male vocalist is singing "we're even singing in syncro"
14:31 Cryptic: o
14:31 Cryptic: Well I ean
14:31 Cryptic: if you think that thats a strong enough defense on your part
14:31 Cryptic: and like how it matches the vocals
14:31 Cryptic: then go ahead
14:31 Cryptic: I'm not too fussed about it
14:31 Cryptic: its just the only thing that seemed about of place on this diff
14:31 Okorin: i think it represents the song in a hilarious way
14:32 Cryptic: ok
14:32 Cryptic: I like how the Insane and Extra
14:32 Okorin: 01:01:590 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:02:490 (1,2,3,4,5) - are mirrored cuz voth vocalist basically say the same except at the 2nd time female voice says it's too much fun instead of it's fun
14:32 Cryptic: are kind of the same map but not really
14:33 Okorin: yah lol
14:33 Okorin: just that insane is even more symmetrical
14:34 Cryptic: yeah
14:34 Cryptic: 00:08:940 (6,7) - which ends up being a problem-ish in places like this
14:34 Cryptic: just because they get so much damn spacing
14:34 Cryptic: but slider leniency makes it k but I hate slider leniency abuse
14:35 Cryptic: but symmetry maps are basically slider leniency abuse the-map
14:36 Cryptic: the only other place I have a real problem wiht on the insane is here 01:07:890 (4,5) -
14:36 Okorin: i nerfed that one pattern a bit but if i do that sort of thing to many other patterns i'll end up with beeing even more axis dependent than i alread yam
14:37 Cryptic: I'd like the 5 ctrl-g'd or something but
14:37 Cryptic: that screws up the next pattern a bit
14:37 Cryptic: just atm thats not getting any emphasis and you aren't seemingly following the vocals on this diff
14:38 Okorin: works for me actually ??
14:38 Cryptic: I mean
14:38 Cryptic: it doesn't play bad
14:39 Cryptic: it just palys worse than un-ctrl-g'd
14:39 Cryptic: but
14:39 Cryptic: if you're cool wiht it
14:39 Cryptic: then ctrl-g it and call it a day on this diff
14:42 Cryptic: 00:11:490 (2) - this circle on the hard triggers me out of this atomosphere
14:43 Okorin: but why does it trigger you
14:44 Cryptic: because it should be on 00:11:640 - and follow the vocals
14:44 Cryptic: or it should be a 1/2 slider
14:44 Cryptic: or something
14:44 Cryptic: but you've been hitting the vocals and then were like "nah jk" here
14:44 Cryptic: and it hurts me
14:44 Cryptic: like move it to where I suggest
14:44 Cryptic: it sounds way better
14:47 Okorin: changed to https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/tCa4RSA.png
14:48 Cryptic: that'll work
14:48 Cryptic: you use that rhythm otherplaces too
14:48 Cryptic: which helps
14:48 Cryptic: you did see what I meant though right?
14:49 Okorin: i would've argued back if i understood why i did this
14:49 Okorin: but i legit dunno so whatever
14:49 Okorin: LOL
14:49 Cryptic: xD
14:49 Okorin: i like the hard more than the insane
14:50 Cryptic: same
14:52 Okorin: compared to extra and hard the insane kinda doesn't do anything that makes me want to play it when i can play the extra
14:52 Cryptic: on advanced
14:52 Cryptic: 01:03:090 (2) - why not a 1/2
14:53 Cryptic: other spots for this vocal/rhythm use 1/2
14:53 Cryptic: what makes this point different
14:53 Okorin: i just had 01:00:390 (1,2,3,4,5) - and needed contrast in 01:03:690 (4,5,1) - so making everything circles there doesnt help that i need these two patterns stand out above the rest lol
14:54 Cryptic: 01:07:890 (2) - 00:58:290 (2) - why not make those circles then
14:54 Cryptic: just singles
14:54 Cryptic: and s kip the second beat
14:55 Okorin: i dont get why you're suggesting this
14:55 Cryptic: It just feels really out out of places to have that 1/1 there
14:55 Cryptic: and not elsewhere
14:55 Cryptic: rhythmically
14:56 Cryptic: I do get your desire to have the variation/contrast there but
14:56 Cryptic: I don't see why that couldn't be implemented elsewhere for consistency in interpretation but
14:56 Cryptic: if you don't want to it's fine, it's really just nitpicking
14:56 Cryptic: I understand most of the decisions you're making, and only pointing out ones I don't really get or disagree with, basically
14:58 Okorin: though 01:03:690 (4,5,1) - is different from any other vocal pattern around the two spots you linked and the second reason for that was that it's managing difficulty curve of the diff lol
15:00 Okorin: wait i thought this is about the 1/1 sliders but it isnt
15:00 Cryptic: no
15:00 Cryptic: it isn't
15:00 Cryptic: it's about the circle lmao
15:00 Okorin: but its about both two or threes being a slider
15:02 Okorin: most of the time the reason why i skip 1/2 vocals by putting them on sliderends still is that i can only have that many circles in a hard before it becomes too hard
15:02 Okorin: lol
15:03 Okorin: can i delete 00:55:140 (2) - and make 00:54:390 (1) - a longer ass slider
15:03 Cryptic: naw I get that
15:03 Cryptic: wait
15:03 Cryptic: oko
15:03 Cryptic: lmao
15:03 Cryptic: https://puu.sh/wmPKO/a6b64f8e8b.png
15:03 Cryptic: https://puu.sh/wmPLy/294435ac45.png
15:04 Cryptic: https://puu.sh/wmPM0/34b8a04ec4.png
15:04 Cryptic: are you still on hard
15:04 Okorin: yes
15:04 Okorin: good
15:04 Okorin: nice
15:04 Cryptic: 10/10
15:05 Cryptic: yeah my only problem with the hard was solved with the repeat slider you did
15:05 Cryptic: and I moved on
15:06 Okorin: i did the thing i said i wanted to do
15:06 Okorin: anyways
15:07 Cryptic: lmao
15:07 Cryptic: ok
15:07 Okorin: it is now https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/wbhRDyi.png
15:07 Okorin: i dont have a diff that is called advanced
15:08 Cryptic: intermediate = advanced
15:08 Cryptic: I'll fight you
15:08 Cryptic: also Ilike that change
15:10 Okorin: tbh
15:10 Okorin: i have no idea why i did that
15:10 Okorin: ok
15:11 Cryptic: ok
15:11 Cryptic: gonna justm ake it a 1/2 slider then?
15:13 Okorin: yeah i did
15:13 Cryptic: ok
15:13 Okorin: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/OCTMmn0.png
15:13 Cryptic: oh yeah that does work
15:13 Cryptic: ok
15:13 Okorin: redid the 2 patterns afterwards so thats why i wasnt saying anything
15:13 Cryptic: gotchya
15:16 Cryptic: on the normal now
15:16 Cryptic: is the repeat on this 01:20:190 (2) - meant to have a whistle on it?
15:16 Cryptic: 01:22:590 (2) - this one has no HS on it
15:17 Okorin: yeah red ticks in that measure have drum whistles
15:18 Cryptic: ok
15:22 Cryptic: 01:11:490 (1,2,3,4) - you're following the BOOMs in the background right? (On the easy btw)
15:22 Okorin: yeah
15:23 Cryptic: 01:13:590 (1,2) - why do you just switch back to vocals when the BOOMs still exist
15:23 Okorin: changed the hitsound on the end of last slider on that diff
15:23 Okorin: and added a whistle to a reverse on intermediate
15:23 Cryptic: is it the lead end to the next pattern?
15:23 Okorin: because compared to yodeling thse are way more distinct
15:23 Okorin: lol
15:23 Okorin: + i need to switch over to hey here's vocals in the next pattern
15:24 Okorin: couldnt think of any other way to do this
15:24 Cryptic: there really sin't a lot of ways
15:24 Cryptic: I just hate any them all tbh
15:24 Cryptic: I guess this is fine
15:24 Okorin: LOL
15:24 Cryptic: 01:14:790 (3) - why no NC here?
15:25 Okorin: i dont like 2 object combos
15:25 Cryptic: but based off NC patterns
15:25 Cryptic: it should be NC'd
15:26 Okorin: tbh this just looks dumb like https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/H4Ym8It.png
15:26 Okorin: but i dont really care iether way lol
15:26 Cryptic: I'd NC it
15:26 Cryptic: it makes more sense for me based off vocals
15:26 Okorin: ok lol
15:26 Cryptic: I do agree it looks a bit lol but no one is going to mind and its better to be consistent
15:26 Okorin: colorful
15:26 Cryptic: okay
15:26 Cryptic: you can upate if you're ready
15:26 Cryptic: so I can recheck
15:30 Okorin: i think it updated
15:30 Okorin: yeah it did
15:30 Cryptic: yeah