Loved Community Vote: Round 4 (osu!)

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Please choose up to four (4) maps that you'd like to see enter the Loved listing.

Yousei Teikoku - Kuraki Sekai no Doukoku by Saten (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/64631)
664
9.20%
Hatsune Miku - Electric Love (t+pazolite Overcute Remix) by Zapy (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/50373)
752
10.41%
S.S.H - Intersect Thunderbolt-Remix by SnowNiNo_ (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/234785)
575
7.96%
DECO*27 - Ghost Rule by Awaken (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/413117)
1229
17.02%
Memme - Chinese Restaurant by rrtyui (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/399404)
1212
16.78%
Jomekka - Eighto by Tom94 (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/43095)
961
13.31%
Yooh - MariannE by neonat (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/285577)
684
9.47%
Kelemen Kabatban - Maradjatok Gyerekek feat. Ecku by [ Another ] (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/327265)
451
6.25%
Another Infinity feat. Mayumi Morinaga - COME BACK TO MY HEART (Ryu* Remix) by caren_sk (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/138407)
335
4.64%
Knife Party - Songs Compilation by TrigonometrY (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/123040)
358
4.96%
Total votes: 7221
Polling ended January 11, 2017 at 12:18:03 PM UTC
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Topic Starter
Ephemeral
As with all things, if the community memes something in, they probably wanted it in anyway. Spotlights are intended to be the premier "showcase" for really good and exceptional maps across both categories (ranked and loved). Loved isn't supposed to be a curated experience in that regard.
squirrelpascals

Shiguri wrote:

pls remove loved section

Railey2 wrote:

but loved beatmaps aren't about quality. They are about how much love they get from the community, aka: popularity.
This is incorrect. A popular map =/= a map that the community loves, it can be controversial, and/or use new, experimental techniques in general.

For example, if HW's fastslidermap had been made after the loved section came out, which some people really didn't agree with at all, it probably would have gone straight to loved. But HW proved that with the map how you could effectively use sliders in a more intuitive way, and on a whole new level at that. After the madness of actually ranking the map, it ended up to be a very enjoyable ranked map. And that's just what I picture the "Loved" section is for: aiding the integration of unconventional mapping techniques into the ranking system. This could eventually affect the way we map today and move mapping forward even more, as that what I feel is the ultimate need for "loved" maps. If it were up to me, a map wouldn't need to be popular enough to be loved by the community, because maps like these can get buried, and this would be how I picture maps like these get exposure without harming a very polished ranking system like the one we have.

Therefore (because i saw some debate about this also), in my eyes, nobody is getting hurt if the map is mapped poorly (in general). I think of the loved system as a ranked system that just says "idgaf about the maps quality, this map cool af and i luv it." Some maps that don't look aesthetically appealing at all are still fun to play, e.g. a lot of older maps that are getting loved now already, so too bad 8-)

I just felt like I wanted to say something, let me know if my anything sounds inaccurate or incorrect.
n0ah

Ephemeral wrote:

Might not be doing another vote, and will just start porting maps with certain activity thresholds and favourite amounts directly into Loved. That or the next phase will start. I'm starting to think that votes have largely served their purpose.
Wouldn't it be possible to use whatever could calculate a threshold like that to determine which maps get in the vote?
Topic Starter
Ephemeral
Yes, but at that point, what does a vote actually serve? Favourites already indicate a degree of preference - is pitting that against a set of transient votes really necessary?
pijon95

Railey2 wrote:

Toy wrote:

Remember how I said Loved category would be cool if it didn't continue to add stupid 9.5+* maps? Rabbit Jumping Style fits that pretty well.

There are PLENTY of other much more worthy maps that could be given leaderboards with this category in my opinion. You can always argue to "not vote for it" but there will always be plenty of newer players who are not concerned with quality but rather would see leaderboards on impossible maps because they can't exactly play any of the maps up for voting anyways.
And what's wrong with that? People like being impressed, and they like seeing top players attempt impossibly hard maps because it's exciting. These people are a significant part of the playerbase, and you don't get to determine what the only valid outcome here is supposed to be. If that makes the category look stupid in your eyes then that is entirely on you. People don't only vote based on quality, that was never the point of the loved category.

Stop making this about your preferences. Loved maps belong to the entire community.
Agree
pijon95

Ephemeral wrote:

Yes, but at that point, what does a vote actually serve? Favourites already indicate a degree of preference - is pitting that against a set of transient votes really necessary?
It´s not, plz start porting maps whit out voting, this is starting to create unnecessary discussions, it´s obvious that people will want their own kind of map to get loved, that´s why gn complained about the lack of tag4 maps, toy for the lack of 5* to be hdhr or just original maps in general, etc, i think that looking at especific members of the community to see what love should or shouldnt be is not a great idea... So just add the most active/favorite maps around, i personally don´t mind if is a 19* map, or a original 4* map, or tag4, anyway, you get the point. And thanks for doing this four community votes possible, but i don´t think is a good idea to keep on doing them
n0ah

Ephemeral wrote:

Yes, but at that point, what does a vote actually serve? Favourites already indicate a degree of preference - is pitting that against a set of transient votes really necessary?
wouldn't it be fairly easy to abuse a system where it's totally in the community's control though? famous mappers/players would be getting maps loved easier than 'normal' mappers just because for them its easier to get publicity i think
n0ah
also instead of arguing about what 'loved' is meant to be we could just ask ephemeral how it was intended
Pittigbaasje

Toy wrote:

Remember how I said Loved category would be cool if it didn't continue to add stupid 9.5+* maps? Rabbit Jumping Style fits that pretty well.

There are PLENTY of other much more worthy maps that could be given leaderboards with this category in my opinion. You can always argue to "not vote for it" but there will always be plenty of newer players who are not concerned with quality but rather would see leaderboards on impossible maps because they can't exactly play any of the maps up for voting anyways.
I don't get why people are so mad. If it isn't in the list this week, maybe it will be in the next or the one after that. You can't expect to see all of your favorite maps getting loved status in one single week.. have some patience.
pijon95

Pittigbaasje wrote:

Toy wrote:

Remember how I said Loved category would be cool if it didn't continue to add stupid 9.5+* maps? Rabbit Jumping Style fits that pretty well.

There are PLENTY of other much more worthy maps that could be given leaderboards with this category in my opinion. You can always argue to "not vote for it" but there will always be plenty of newer players who are not concerned with quality but rather would see leaderboards on impossible maps because they can't exactly play any of the maps up for voting anyways.
I don't get why people are so mad. If it isn't in the list this week, maybe it will be in the next or the one after that. You can't expect to see all of your favorite maps getting loved status in one single week.. have some patience.
Agree
Yauxo
I like how there's always discussions about basically everything once something goes live, even if it's something that we have always wanted.
yam
epic =)) electric love would be beast
Idealism
opinions opinions

if in your opinion a map should or not be loved, that's fine. respect it.

i have my own opinions on the loved pools and i personally think some maps don't deserve to be in the pool, however i just let the community decide, which is what loved is (was?) supposed to be in its essence.

don't like a map? don't vote for it and move on.

jeez just let people select what they want lol
BcTrack
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chainpullz
I feel like the only real point in having a vote over a predetermined set of maps is precisely because the larger community wouldn't understand creative/unconventional mapping if it hit them in the face. When half the maps in the pool are the garbage maps that, in the absence of this voting system, would be the focus of the community anyways it sort of defeats the purpose of it.

If the maps are going to be largely inaccessible by the larger community then Toy makes a great point. People will be hyped to see top players playing difficult maps to begin with. Why not select the predetermined set of maps to be those that top players are actually excited about and want to play on a regular basis and then use the vote to allow the plebian community to select from those the maps they would be most excited watching people play?

I think people are confusing the purpose of the loved section with the purpose of this voting system. Sure, the loved section isn't supposed to be about quality and it only really matters that a lot of people are excited about the maps. That's just stating the obvious. It's also pointless to have a vote like we do now to accomplish this simple goal. As Ephemeral has point out, if the community is willing to meme a map into the loved section by spamming it with favorites then it probably deserves to be loved by virtue of what the loved section stands for.

That is not to say I think we should get rid of the voting system. Rather, I think the voting system should be used as a means of adding more sophisticated maps into the loved section that top players are interested in while still maintaining some level of community input. People have already mentioned the positive affects that giving such maps loved status could provide so I'm not going to bother rehashing that here.

The details would still need to be ironed out on how to select such maps for voting but it would likely require a voting/suggestion system restricted to top players by which they could select/vote on the list of maps to use in a 2nd round of voting open to the entire community (similar to what we have now).

Tl;DR: Current voting system is pointless due to maps selected. Overhyped maps should be added to the loved system by another method and voting should be reserved for interesting/unconventional maps that top players actually want to play.
Jonis221
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Topic Starter
Ephemeral
Everything above 500 votes is going in.
fieryrage
the fact the rabbit jumping style map got in and not knife party is fucking hilarious
J_8579
Why the fuck is Intersect Thunderbolt loved if it has <50 favorites, only 7% of the total vote, and not even top 4?

10/10 voting system lmao
pijon95

F1r3tar wrote:

Why the fuck is Intersect Thunderbolt loved if it has <50 favorites, only 7% of the total vote, and not even top 4?

10/10 voting system lmao
All maps over 500 votes go in, seems fair to me (???
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