12:28 Smolboi: i'll be honest
12:28 Smolboi: i can't really tell what sounds you're emphasizing in your map
12:29 Smolboi: could you clarify?
12:29 JayJay-San: like drums mostly
12:29 Smolboi: so you're ignoring the sax?
12:29 Smolboi: if so that would explain why it sounds off
12:29 JayJay-San: not entirely
12:30 Smolboi: i would focus way more heavily on the sax
12:30 Smolboi: it's the most prominant sound
12:30 JayJay-San: alright
12:30 Smolboi: 00:26:520 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - the pauses around here sound a little weird
12:31 Smolboi: some spacing inconsistancies
12:31 Smolboi: 00:26:520 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - here the singletaps are spaced
12:31 Smolboi: 00:41:257 (6,7,8) - here they're smooshed together
12:32 JayJay-San: so spread the one on 41 out more
12:32 Smolboi: i'd keep them spread
12:32 JayJay-San: change the first one then?
12:32 Smolboi: i like the feel of a really fast, flowy, singletap heavy map
12:32 Smolboi: kind of like Worldwide Choppers
12:32 JayJay-San: yeah
12:32 JayJay-San: it's kinda like that
12:33 Smolboi: 00:44:678 (3,4) - this slider is a bit funky
12:33 JayJay-San: but I need someone to help me with like spacing, and everything
12:33 Smolboi: just try to keep to one distance snap
12:33 JayJay-San: feels weird?
12:33 Smolboi: it's should be going more in the direction of the next note to be hit
12:33 Smolboi: it's going up, which implies the next note will be in that direction
12:34 JayJay-San: so like that is weird?
12:34 JayJay-San: so flip it
12:34 Smolboi: yeah
12:34 JayJay-San: did it feel weird when you played it or saw it
12:34 Smolboi: both
12:35 Smolboi: keep in mind i'm not exactly an expert on how 6.7* maps play
12:35 Smolboi: but it still looks and feels weird
12:35 JayJay-San: alright
12:35 Smolboi: i think i saw a couple others like it
12:35 Smolboi: i'd go through and look
12:35 Smolboi: yep, same here
12:35 Smolboi: 00:49:415 (3,4) -
12:36 Smolboi: this slider feels out of place
12:36 Smolboi: 01:02:310 (1) -
12:36 Smolboi: doesn't really belong unless it's in a calm section of music or on a long, held, exiting note
12:36 JayJay-San: that's a spinner
12:36 Smolboi: fuck
12:37 Smolboi: you know what i mean
12:37 JayJay-San: not enough space for a break
12:37 JayJay-San: not sure what else I could put there
12:37 Smolboi: sliders
12:38 Smolboi: i would just switch breifly to mapping the drums over the sax here
12:38 Smolboi: if you mapped a long held note it wouldn't fit with the intensity of the section
12:38 Smolboi: ya feel me?
12:38 JayJay-San: yeah
12:38 Smolboi: 01:06:783 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - i am very not ok with this
12:38 JayJay-San: I'm going back and removing some of the un needed notes
12:39 Smolboi: like this one is a big issue
12:39 JayJay-San: are they hard to aim or
12:39 JayJay-San: just remap it
12:39 Smolboi: yes
12:39 Smolboi: way overspaced and the music doesn't allow it
12:39 JayJay-San: spacing? or just remap it
12:39 Smolboi: if it suddenly got REALLY intense then it would be ok
12:39 Smolboi: but the music didn't change
12:40 JayJay-San: remove the kiai time also?
12:40 Smolboi: If i cut out that section it take off a whole .1*
12:40 Smolboi: yeah probably
12:40 Smolboi: more spacing inconsistancies
12:40 Smolboi: 01:17:441 (1,2,3) -
12:41 JayJay-San: how did I not see this
12:41 JayJay-San: grr
12:41 Smolboi: 01:18:888 (9) - another bit where you should just overmap to fit intensity
12:41 Smolboi: 01:24:414 (1,2,3,4,1) - anotha one
12:41 Smolboi: yeah
12:41 Smolboi: i don't think there's much else to see
12:41 JayJay-San: this is really embarassing lmao
12:42 JayJay-San: >.<
12:42 Smolboi: ya gotta learn somehow
12:42 Smolboi: oh boy if you could see MY first maps
12:42 Smolboi: holy shit
12:42 Smolboi: basically just go through the whole thing and:
12:42 Smolboi: Emphasize the sax more
12:42 Smolboi: Clean up spacing
12:42 Smolboi: Nerf some jimps
12:42 Smolboi: jumps*
12:43 JayJay-San: what about the ending jumps
12:43 Smolboi: remove the stand out, long held sliders and spinners
12:43 Smolboi: haven't gotten there yest
12:43 Smolboi: yet*
12:43 JayJay-San: alright
12:43 Smolboi: is this your first map?
12:43 Smolboi: 01:41:651 (1,2,1,1) - undermapped
12:43 JayJay-San: my first map where I actually didn't have any help on it yes
12:44 Smolboi: this is pretty impressive tbh
12:44 JayJay-San: others I just got to 10% of the map and gave up
12:44 Smolboi: it's fun, just very unpolished
12:44 JayJay-San: well that's what you're here for haha
12:44 Smolboi: 01:41:651 (1,2,1,1) - needs sum nerfs
12:45 JayJay-San: do you think you can save this chat somehow
12:45 JayJay-San: like idk how I'm going to lmao
12:45 JayJay-San: like with the whole like
12:45 Smolboi: forwardslash savelog
12:45 JayJay-San: notepad chat thing
12:45 JayJay-San: I'll do it at the end
12:45 JayJay-San: thanks tho
12:45 Smolboi: i'll savelog it and post it in the thread
12:46 JayJay-San: thanks
12:46 Smolboi: actually, i think the jumps in the end are justified
12:46 Smolboi: just MAKE SURE you're slowly building up to it
12:47 JayJay-San: wait really
12:47 Smolboi: don't just go from calm to OH SHIT
12:47 JayJay-San: not like random jumps in your face
12:47 JayJay-San: like before
12:47 Smolboi: the intensity is deffinately justified
12:47 Smolboi: jumps are ugly though
12:47 Smolboi: anywho
12:48 Smolboi: pretty good for a first map
12:48 Smolboi: luck to you friendo

16:20 Smolboi: np
16:20 Smolboi: i'm lazy
16:20 JayJay-San: forgot to test play
16:20 JayJay-San: lol
16:22 Smolboi: link me the friggin map
16:23 JayJay-San: too lazy to play lmao
16:23 JayJay-San: hold on
16:24 JayJay-San: almost done
16:26 JayJay-San: done
16:26 JayJay-San: ready?
16:26 Smolboi: ye
16:26 *JayJay-San is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1167406 Streetlight Manifesto - Hell]
16:26 JayJay-San: tell me if that is better or wose
16:26 JayJay-San: and be honest
16:27 Smolboi: i fucking love having supporter again
16:27 JayJay-San: worse
16:27 JayJay-San: ohh yeah
16:27 JayJay-San: I'm gonna get supporter later tho
16:28 JayJay-San: I can see the spacing is a little weird
16:28 JayJay-San: can't tell if that's the shaking or just your aim
16:28 JayJay-San: map or your aim
16:28 JayJay-San: too confusing?
16:28 Smolboi: my aim is shite
16:28 Smolboi: don't worry
16:28 Smolboi: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better
16:29 JayJay-San: you are scaring meeee
16:29 Smolboi: far from rank able
16:29 Smolboi: but waaaaaaaaaaaaay better
16:29 JayJay-San: i know
16:29 JayJay-San: scale pls
16:29 JayJay-San: 1-10
16:29 Smolboi: what is 1
16:29 Smolboi: what is 10
16:30 JayJay-San: 1 through 10
16:30 JayJay-San: scale on how better
16:30 Smolboi: but what would a 10 be?
16:30 Smolboi: lets say 1 is a hollow wings map
16:30 Smolboi: what is 10
16:31 JayJay-San: 10 is every really good mapper on the planet in one map
16:31 Smolboi: k
16:31 Smolboi: 3-4ish
16:32 Smolboi: was like 2-3
16:32 Smolboi: i'm impressed you understood most of what i was said first time i modded
16:33 Smolboi: so first of all
16:33 Smolboi: imma get into a mod here
16:33 Smolboi: but i need to know
16:33 Smolboi: what do you want this diff to be
16:33 Smolboi: it would be easier to mod it into a 5* at this stage than to make it into a 6-7*
16:33 JayJay-San: 6 stars no higher than 6.5
16:34 Smolboi: you could make this one your extra
16:34 JayJay-San: alright
16:34 Smolboi: which is what i would probably recomend
16:34 JayJay-San: check discord
16:34 Smolboi: cause you should have more experience when making your top diff
16:34 Smolboi: gimme a minute to look over the whole thing
16:34 Smolboi: i really only got a feel for it
16:35 JayJay-San: alrighty
16:35 Smolboi: i see at the very least you understood what i was going on about with rhythym and prioritizing the sax
16:35 Smolboi: i think later on you forget this a little but no worries
16:35 Smolboi: baby steps
16:36 Smolboi: now you move on to phase to
16:36 Smolboi: intensity
16:36 Smolboi: so now it fits better rhythmically
16:36 Smolboi: but does it fit intensity wise?
16:36 JayJay-San: ehh
16:36 JayJay-San: not really on some of the map
16:36 Smolboi: it feels kind of note-bare and slow for an extra, right?
16:37 JayJay-San: like I'm gonna fix one of the parts where it's a cross map jump for no reason
16:37 Smolboi: so you need to map more than just the main instrument
16:37 Smolboi: i'll provide some examples when i find some
16:38 JayJay-San: prioritize the sax throughout the map?
16:38 JayJay-San: like if so then I'll have to redo all the voice parts
16:38 JayJay-San: sometimes it's not there tho
16:38 Smolboi: meh
16:38 Smolboi: just let me get to that
16:39 Smolboi: 00:21:257 (3) - this slider has a strong sound on this tick 00:21:651 so you could do somthing where you end on the blue tick before it and make a second long slider
16:39 Smolboi: fuck
16:39 Smolboi: why osu
16:39 JayJay-San: long slider, more like long message
16:39 JayJay-San: :^)
16:40 JayJay-San: also example please
16:40 JayJay-San: kinda lost
16:41 JayJay-San: like the tick tick noise througout the slide sounds loud?
16:41 Smolboi: k
16:41 Smolboi: 00:21:257 (3) - this slider has a strong sound on the white tick
16:41 Smolboi: right in the middle of the slider
16:41 JayJay-San: mhmm
16:41 JayJay-San: OHH
16:41 Smolboi: you could stop the slider there
16:41 JayJay-San: so make another one
16:41 Smolboi: put a note on the blue tick
16:42 Smolboi: and start a second slider on the red
16:42 JayJay-San: it sounds a bit off tho
16:42 JayJay-San: nvm I hear it
16:43 Smolboi: don't take everything i say exactly
16:43 Smolboi: i'm really just saying this stuff to put ideas in your head
16:43 JayJay-San: oh lol
16:43 Smolboi: this isn't like a conventional laundry list mod
16:43 Smolboi: take the ideas i give you and try to apply them
16:44 Smolboi: 00:23:099 (8) - this slider ends on a strong sound
16:44 Smolboi: i would remove the repeat and place either a slider or note on the downbeat
16:44 Smolboi: as a matter of fact
16:44 JayJay-San: did that
16:45 JayJay-San: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7327285
16:45 Smolboi: i hear you missing a couple of major sounds
16:45 Smolboi: 00:22:309 -
16:45 JayJay-San: I know it looks weird
16:45 JayJay-San: which note on 22:309
16:45 Smolboi: that doesn't look that weird
16:45 Smolboi: the problem with that is
16:46 Smolboi: long slider doesn't fit the intensity of the extra
16:46 Smolboi: let me ask you
16:46 Smolboi: what could you map there instead
16:46 JayJay-San: uhh
16:46 JayJay-San: circles but that would be weird
16:46 Smolboi: listen to the music on that slider
16:46 JayJay-San: wait 22:309 is a long slider?
16:47 JayJay-San: or the other one
16:47 Smolboi: 0:29
16:47 Smolboi: here all those juicy 1/4 rhythyms?
16:47 Smolboi: listen to the drums
16:47 JayJay-San: add those?
16:47 Smolboi: yes
16:47 Smolboi: those would fit the intensity
16:48 JayJay-San: ah
16:48 Smolboi: side note
16:48 Smolboi: 00:39:547 (7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - you got intensity fucking down on this section
16:48 Smolboi: most of the map should be this fast
16:49 Smolboi: i can't speak for individual rhythym choices, like where to choose sliders over notes
16:49 Smolboi: because i'm lazy
16:49 JayJay-San: mhmm
16:49 JayJay-San: so most of the map should be like that
16:49 Smolboi: but intensity in that section is k_hand:
16:49 Smolboi: si
16:49 JayJay-San: no long held sliders?
16:49 Smolboi: noooo
16:49 Smolboi: save those for lower diffs
16:49 Smolboi: where it fits
16:49 JayJay-San: ahh
16:50 Smolboi: only ever do it in higher diffs if it's at a break in the section, or when there is a serious change in intensity
16:51 Smolboi: 00:46:914 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - here it sounds like you tried to map some 1/4 rhythyms
16:51 Smolboi: don't think it quite turned out like it should of
16:51 JayJay-San: 00:20:599 (4) You can hear a stream there so I mapped one there
16:51 JayJay-San: after
16:51 JayJay-San: after it
16:51 JayJay-San: then will a long note be justified?
16:52 JayJay-San: because I can't hear anything else there
16:52 Smolboi: where?
16:52 Smolboi: i'm confused
16:52 JayJay-San: after it
16:52 Smolboi: after 0:20?
16:52 JayJay-San: yeah
16:52 Smolboi: i'm not seeing a stream
16:52 JayJay-San: listen closely
16:53 JayJay-San: listenm
16:53 Smolboi: i think you ment 1/4 rhythymn
16:53 JayJay-San: yeah
16:53 JayJay-San: I said I added one
16:53 JayJay-San: lmao
16:53 JayJay-San: yeah
16:53 Smolboi: remember
16:53 JayJay-San: that probably means there are other streams like that
16:53 Smolboi: most streams are 1/4 rhythyms
16:53 Smolboi: but not most 1/4 rhythyms are stream
16:53 Smolboi: well
16:54 Smolboi: actually they probably are
16:54 Smolboi: mostly the first bit tho
16:54 JayJay-San: well yeah a 1/4th ryhthtms
16:54 JayJay-San: heard that in there
16:54 Smolboi: 00:21:257 (3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - again, learn to pay attention to the downbeats
16:54 Smolboi: the big ass white ticks
16:55 Smolboi: there is almost always a big important sound on them
16:55 Smolboi: never leave silence on them, and never end a slider on them
16:56 Smolboi: the kiai is still really weird
16:56 JayJay-San: all the white ticks are used there
16:56 JayJay-San: ??
16:56 Smolboi: another thing
16:57 JayJay-San: changed it to the .75
16:57 JayJay-San: mhmm
16:57 Smolboi: need to work on some spacing consistency
16:57 JayJay-San: moved it to the .75*
16:57 Smolboi: 00:53:362 (2,3,4) - here you use large jumps for 1/2 notes
16:57 Smolboi: 00:56:125 (1,2) - here, really small spacing
16:57 Smolboi: it's ok to have different spacing
16:57 Smolboi: but you need to have a solid argument for why they are spaced the way they are
16:58 JayJay-San: mmmm
16:58 Smolboi: for the record
16:58 JayJay-San: alright
16:58 Smolboi: most of it should be spaced like this 00:57:441 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7)
16:58 Smolboi: i think that fits best
16:59 JayJay-San: close but not too far spacing?
16:59 Smolboi: and then right here 01:10:599 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4)
16:59 JayJay-San: but like with exceptions
16:59 Smolboi: it would be ok to put some jumps there
16:59 Smolboi: because it gets a bit more intense
16:59 Smolboi: not toooo much
16:59 JayJay-San: the 1234 on that one too?
17:00 Smolboi: link it
17:00 JayJay-San: 01:10:599 (1,2,3,4) make them spaced too?
17:00 JayJay-San: but not too spaced?
17:00 JayJay-San: wtf lmao that link my bad
17:01 Smolboi: 01:16:388 (1,2,3) - look out for spacing inconsistancies like this
17:02 Smolboi: 3 is way farther away than 1 and 2 timeline wise
17:02 JayJay-San: LMAO I was literally fixing it as you linked it
17:02 JayJay-San: noice
17:02 Smolboi: 01:45:467 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - i'm gonna go ahead and call this overdone
17:02 Smolboi: it SHOULD be more intense
17:02 Smolboi: but not this entense
17:03 Smolboi: maybe that intense around here 01:48:494 (3,4,5,6,7,8)
17:03 JayJay-San: ah
17:03 Smolboi: but at the beggining it shouldn't be that intense
17:03 JayJay-San: so it fits the song
17:03 Smolboi: maybe try scaling patterns there
17:03 JayJay-San: aww I like that pattern
17:03 Smolboi: starting off with smaller spacing
17:03 JayJay-San: (
17:03 Smolboi: ending with larger
17:04 Smolboi: 01:53:099 (1) - spinners
17:04 Smolboi: shouldn't be used as subsitiutes for sliders\
17:05 Smolboi: they should be used for sounds that are long, held, not very intense, and typically are fading either in and out
17:05 Smolboi: like at the very beggining or end of a song
17:05 JayJay-San: there are really tiny drums on that spinner
17:05 JayJay-San: should I map that?
17:05 JayJay-San: idk they are kinda hard to hear
17:06 Smolboi: yes
17:06 Smolboi: as your self
17:06 Smolboi: how intense is this section
17:06 Smolboi: would 1/4 fit
17:06 Smolboi: the song sort of shifts verses after this section
17:06 JayJay-San: it's kinda intense
17:07 Smolboi: so it would be very appropriate to end the verse with a small spike in dificulty
17:07 Smolboi: happens all the time
17:07 JayJay-San: alrighty
17:08 Smolboi: i think i've covered most of everything
17:08 Smolboi: use this info
17:08 Smolboi: i think i might make an extra GD
17:08 Smolboi: partly because physical examples are better than writen ones
17:08 JayJay-San: "but first you need to make your map better" lmao
17:08 Smolboi: partly because this song if fucking dope
17:09 JayJay-San: ikr

Problem Alternative Comment
00:00:230 (1,2,3,4) -The red tick after each of these repeat sliders is unmapped but has the same sound as those during the sliders. You can just extend the sliders 1/4 of a beat longer. They're close enough and slider leniency is nice enough that the 1/4 jump is not a problem at all.

Alternatively, if you listen to the guitar, you can hear an accent on the third beat of each measure. It's subtle, but you can consider this pattern instead.


00:06:783 (1,1) - Like the following spinners, these two spinners should end and start on the beats but they don't.

00:14:941 (2,2,1) - You don't have a consistent new combo pattern here. I suggest starting a new combo like below every two beats as the phrases of the song last two beats.

The repeat sliders lead into the next phrase but they are separate from the melody so maybe they can be a separate combo as well.

00:18:099 (1) - It doesn't seem like you have much of a structure for this section from this point on. You established a pattern in the first five measures and then you just have whatever assortment of sliders and hitcircles. I suggest coming up with a pattern to maintain and build upon throughout this section.

Looking at this map further, I can see the same issue as above: most sections don't have any structure to them. I recommend making patterns and playing around with them within sections of the song.
01:28:625 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,1) - 01:45:467 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - Thes sections, for example, have great pattern and, apart from some minor issues, fit their parts of the song very well. Again, I think you should put some more thought into the other sections and give some structure to your map like you did here.

I'll list examples of things you can fix rather than detailing every single little issue. You have to learn to avoid these issues on your own in order to improve as a mapper.

00:31:125 (14,2) - 00:42:046 (1,3) - 00:42:968 (4,8,3) - Partial overlaps like this tend to be considered messy and untidy unless you're intentionally doing so in a structured manner. You'll want to clean things like this up unless you specifically do it on purpose, whereby you should be able to justify such partial overlaps. 02:19:151 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Here, for example, if you line up the circles better, is an example of great partial overlaps.

00:45:730 (3,4,5) - This is an equal spacing of two different time spacings: 1/2 and 1/1. You want to avoid unclear patterns such as this and rather map these objects in a way such that you can visually tell the difference between the two. For example, you could stack 4 and 5 to show that it's different from the 1/2 jump, or you could increase the spacing between 4 and 5.

00:46:914 (1,2,3,4) - Spacing is generally used to emphasize certain notes or parts in music. It does not make any sense to give this quieter measure such large jumps. You want the spacing to correspond to the intensity of the sounds/sections. 01:48:625 (1,2,3,4,5) - Here, for example, spacing is used properly and well.

01:07:572 (2) - Your kiai sections have to cover the most intense parts of the song where the beat is strong and the music is loud. 02:10:730 (9,1) - 02:35:993 (1,3) - I would put the kiai sections between these points. (There might be some better spots but these are some examples of where you would put kiai sections)

01:32:835 (1,2,3) - When dealing with faster, more intense songs that are not electronically created, you can encounter music that may not be executed perfectly due to human error. This triple here is an example of that. If you listen closely, you can hear that the flute slightly rushes this trill, causing your triple to not line up with the music. This can cause confusion during gameplay and unfortunately can't really be fixed. Instead, however, you could just consider using a 1/4 repeat slider instead. Just something to think about. This example may not be the best but there are other parts in the song where you could better bring up this same point.

Your map has potential. You just have to clean up your spacing and patterns, put in proper kiai sections, and practice hitsounding after you've gotten more mapping experience. Some parts, like the ending 02:50:950 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2), are great, as long as you clean up the spacing some more. The build up to this ending, however, could use a little more intensity. Increase the spacing, maybe try a more difficult jump pattern, etc. Overall the map was alright. I enjoyed parts of it. You just have to address overall issues like the ones I listed throughout the map and it'll get even better.