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Manaka Kataoka & Atsuko Asahi - Gozen 1-ji (Rain)

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Hobbes2
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Summary of discussion I had with most of the qats

1) There's an issue brought up that the lower diffs are redundant; as in, the design of the lower diffs don't differ enough to warrant their existence.

2) I believe nobody said that it isn't inherently unrankable as is, but most agreed it didn't seem very reasonable.

Thoughts? Obviously given my star I think the spread should be fine but I can see the arguments against it.
polka
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polka

Hobbes2 wrote:

Summary of discussion I had with most of the qats

1) There's an issue brought up that the lower diffs are redundant; as in, the design of the lower diffs don't differ enough to warrant their existence. :arrow:I'd be more than happy to vary my pattern choice separate my diffs by making them more original, but the process of remodding I think is just so extra. As No Title has the same extra at least more than twice.

2) I believe nobody said that it isn't inherently unrankable as is, but most agreed it didn't seem very reasonable. :arrow:With the huge growth of million gd spreads I can see why this is getting annoying. But I made this before those were popular sheerly because I wanted to give people as many ways to enjoy the song, as it is my absolute favorite from this whole series.

Thoughts? Obviously given my star I think the spread should be fine but I can see the arguments against it.
Irreversible
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My point of view on that is like... is it really necessary? It does seem really redundant in most of the cases. Obviously, there can be the argument as to "why do you need so many extras?" But imo that's something else, because people most of the times have different styles, which is actually hard to say in those easy diffs.

You could deifnitely ditch some of the very first diffs, because I do not see too much benefit of having so many similar diffs.
Beginner really does not offer a lot, apart from the sliders which follow the music in an interesting way, but this can be found in Easy as well, for example.

If you could elaborate on what exactly makes each diff unique, then please go ahead and I might be able to see your point of view!
polka
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Irreversible wrote:

My point of view on that is like... is it really necessary? It does seem really redundant in most of the cases. Obviously, there can be the argument as to "why do you need so many extras?" But imo that's something else, because people most of the times have different styles, which is actually hard to say in those easy diffs.

You could deifnitely ditch some of the very first diffs, because I do not see too much benefit of having so many similar diffs.
Beginner really does not offer a lot, apart from the sliders which follow the music in an interesting way, but this can be found in Easy as well, for example.

If you could elaborate on what exactly makes each diff unique, then please go ahead and I might be able to see your point of view!
Hi! Personally I can understand the whole can get a bit redundant thing but when you mention the sliders, the siders in beginner do follow the rhythm the same way the sliders in easy do, but the difference is that easy is more dense than beginner, so they're theoretically, while alike, not the same. Additionally in Maps like reols no title there are several Difficulties that follow the exact same rhythm, and if not the exact same, very close. But if you would like me to add some more rhythmic variation in my personal difficulties so that way the guesy difficulties can stand out a bit more I can definitely do that so let me know what you'd like.
Irreversible
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The more we can agree on a compromise, the better. So if you could do things to fix the problem as good as possible, then that's the best solution!

I advise against comparing to other mapsets though, cuz we look at this mapset how it is right now, and not how 300 other mapsets were or currently are (at which you should state your opinion immediately, if you find something).
polka
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Irreversible wrote:

The more we can agree on a compromise, the better. So if you could do things to fix the problem as good as possible, then that's the best solution!

I advise against comparing to other mapsets though, cuz we look at this mapset how it is right now, and not how 300 other mapsets were or currently are (at which you should state your opinion immediately, if you find something).
Okay, so would you say it would be better to have more unique patterns on my diffs to help the gds feel more different/unique?
polka
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waiting on hobbes!
Hobbes2
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remove me from tags

00:07:437 (12) - and shouldnt the tail of this be silenced, noisy hitsound on nothing is kinda meh (topdiff)
polka
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Hobbes2 wrote:

remove me from tags

00:07:437 (12) - and shouldnt the tail of this be silenced, noisy hitsound on nothing is kinda meh (topdiff)
the clock sound is designed to play through the whole song. Sorry for the confusion.

Removed you from tags haha
Hobbes2
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polka
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Hobbes2 wrote:

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THANK YOU
Sinnoh
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should add PolkaMocha to the tags
polka
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Sinnoh wrote:

should add PolkaMocha to the tags
Ah ur right Ill do that thanks!!
Plaudible
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helo here to help u rank qt song qt set

General
  1. Check soft-hitwhistle.wav, seems it might have a small delay


Easy
  1. 01:03:407 (1) - feels a little on the short end, could you snap it to the 1/4 before for a little extra time?


Gero's Easy
  1. 00:18:183 (2) - Shape feels a little tight for this diff, could you unfold it a bit more?
  2. 01:02:959 (1) - Never did 2 measure NC's before this, imo you could un-NC this just fine


Novice
  1. 00:58:482 (5,6,1) - Rhythm variation here from 00:21:765 (3,4,1) - feels a bit weird, since it's a short and simple song just keeping this the same rhythmically would be more fitting imo


Normal
  1. 00:58:034 (6) - reverse like at 00:22:213 (7) - ?


Advanced
  1. 00:14:601 (3,1) - blanket pls


ezek's Hard
  1. 00:10:124 (2,3) - IMO spacing here is way too big, even following DS, compare to 00:53:109 (2,3) - something is off. http://puu.sh/z6MAh/d7329a169f.jpg


Hard
  1. 00:18:183 (4,5) - Feels weird to stack these given 00:16:392 (1,2) - aren't


Atsuro's Hyper
  1. 00:28:929 (5) - Curious, why go with a slowdown here? Missing all the 1/2 slider action you had before


Top diff looks good enough, though some combos drag on for a bit imo

As previously discussed it seems a lot of the lower diffs have odd 2/1 rhythms that cover a lot of the melody that I feel could be included more, so please take another look at that.
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polka
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All fixed on my end. Waiting on Atsuro and ezek.

  1. As for the highest diff, I like the lengthy combos idk why adds to the aesthetic if that remotely makes any sense.
  2. As for the 2/1 rhythms in earlier difficulties, note the slider shapes that capture covered melodies via red anchors. I had to keep density low and include sliders. So it's natural certain things get covered up.
Atsuro
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Atsuro

Plaudible wrote:

helo here to help u rank qt song qt set

Atsuro's Hyper
  1. 00:28:929 (5) - Curious, why go with a slowdown here? Missing all the 1/2 slider action you had before It's consistent with the other ones,
    or you're talking about spacing?
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Gero
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Changed both things.

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Zekeyache
k fixed

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