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Manaka Kataoka & Atsuko Asahi - Gozen 1-ji (Rain)

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Nozhomi
Beatmap Nominator
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Nozhomi
I want to die tbh

I think having a dark green border with that violet color makes elements really hard to read, especially on lower diffs. Would be nice to change for smth more readable.

[12:46 AM (Renumi's Beginner)]
  1. People really want to play AR0 ? AR1 no ?
  2. 00:09:228 (1) - I just wonder why you skip beats like 00:11:019 - on your diff when on 12:45 AM this one is played. It's quite weird for a harder diff to skip it no ? Ofc that's a recurent problem on the map, 3/1 sliders are not adapted for that and make the diff more "boring" imo.


[1:00 AM (Easy)]
  1. Imo that diff have no reason to be on that set at all. It's not that different from Renumi's diff, rhythm is even a bit more simple at some points, and the fact than you killed some strong beats like 00:55:795 - with sliders end is just a really bad idea.


[1:05 AM (Gero's Easy)]
  1. Meh I would like to see you make 01:02:064 - and 01:02:959 - clickable instead of continue your reverse. They're quite important and I think you should make it playable.


[1:10 AM (Novice)]
  1. An other diff where purpose of it is questionable. Your 2/1 sliders like 00:09:228 (1) - make your diff inconsistent because you skip 00:10:123 - , and rhythm is close to the diff of Gero once again. Also overlaps like 00:15:945 (4,1) - make it look a bit less good in an aesthetical way.
  2. 00:27:139 (3) - And that slider is meh, a vertical curved slider would be really better.


[1:15 AM (Normal)]
  1. 00:22:213 - Rip sliderslide sound here. Check if eventually it's not present on other diffs.


[1:20 AM (Advanced)]
  1. I just have concern about your stacks (aka. 00:05:198 (5,1) - for example) who just block the movement of the player for any real reason. That sound don't call for a stack, it makes you just want to continue your movement as before. So I don't think that's a good idea to use them.


[1:30 AM (ezek's Hard)]
  1. Since you're the lowest Hard, maybe AR5 ?


[1:32 AM (Hard)]
  1. 00:07:437 (5,2) - That stack is probably done on purpose but I prefer ask.


[1:40 AM (Atsuro's Hyper)]
  1. So the diff have a nice composition and good use of symmetric patterns, but you totally sacrifice music emphasis and spacing coherence with it, plus you create some inconsistencies across the diff due to that. Some example 00:19:527 (6,1) - and 00:20:422 (2,3) - use big spacing to mark the strong beat,
    but you totally miss 00:21:317 (4,5) - who is exactly the same. 00:58:034 (6,7,8) - is totally different from 00:22:213 (6,7,8) - when they're the same, 00:34:303 (1,2) - is giant when 00:34:751 (2,3) - / 00:35:646 (4,5) - are ridiculous, etc...I think there's a lot to do here working on these points.


[1:45 AM (Rainy)]
  1. 00:58:930 (3) - Move it to 200:272 to adjust spacing like the previous one who is at 2.40x.

I'm going to bed zzz
Mukyu~
Renumi
767 posts
Joined July 2012
Renumi
i accentuated the rhythm through curves in the slider and i don't think it's complemety earth shattering when you compare it to the easy 
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polka
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Joined March 2014
Topic Starter
polka

Nozhomi wrote:

I want to die tbh

I think having a dark green border with that violet color makes elements really hard to read, especially on lower diffs. Would be nice to change for smth more readable. :arrow:...Have any suggestions .-.

[12:46 AM (Renumi's Beginner)]
  1. People really want to play AR0 ? AR1 no ?
  2. 00:09:228 (1) - I just wonder why you skip beats like 00:11:019 - on your diff when on 12:45 AM this one is played. It's quite weird for a harder diff to skip it no ? Ofc that's a recurent problem on the map, 3/1 sliders are not adapted for that and make the diff more "boring" imo.


[1:00 AM (Easy)]
  1. Imo that diff have no reason to be on that set at all. It's not that different from Renumi's diff, rhythm is even a bit more simple at some points, and the fact than you killed some strong beats like 00:55:795 - with sliders end is just a really bad idea. :arrow:I wanted to make an entire set myself. The GDs are just a bonus. Also, fixed.


[1:05 AM (Gero's Easy)]
  1. Meh I would like to see you make 01:02:064 - and 01:02:959 - clickable instead of continue your reverse. They're quite important and I think you should make it playable.


[1:10 AM (Novice)]
  1. An other diff where purpose of it is questionable. Your 2/1 sliders like 00:09:228 (1) - make your diff inconsistent because you skip 00:10:123 - , and rhythm is close to the diff of Gero once again. Also overlaps like 00:15:945 (4,1) - make it look a bit less good in an aesthetical way. :arrow:While the undermapping Im keeping, I fixed that overlap to look better.
  2. 00:27:139 (3) - And that slider is meh, a vertical curved slider would be really better. :arrow:Think I fixed it.


[1:15 AM (Normal)]
  1. 00:22:213 - Rip sliderslide sound here. Check if eventually it's not present on other diffs. :arrow:Fixed.


[1:20 AM (Advanced)]
  1. I just have concern about your stacks (aka. 00:05:198 (5,1) - for example) who just block the movement of the player for any real reason. That sound don't call for a stack, it makes you just want to continue your movement as before. So I don't think that's a good idea to use them. :arrow:I think it's fine. They match the vibraphone's playing perfectly.


[1:30 AM (ezek's Hard)]
  1. Since you're the lowest Hard, maybe AR5 ? :arrow:Changed with ezek's permission


[1:32 AM (Hard)]
  1. 00:07:437 (5,2) - That stack is probably done on purpose but I prefer ask. :arrow:Ew fixed.


[1:40 AM (Atsuro's Hyper)]
  1. So the diff have a nice composition and good use of symmetric patterns, but you totally sacrifice music emphasis and spacing coherence with it, plus you create some inconsistencies across the diff due to that. Some example 00:19:527 (6,1) - and 00:20:422 (2,3) - use big spacing to mark the strong beat,
    but you totally miss 00:21:317 (4,5) - who is exactly the same. 00:58:034 (6,7,8) - is totally different from 00:22:213 (6,7,8) - when they're the same, 00:34:303 (1,2) - is giant when 00:34:751 (2,3) - / 00:35:646 (4,5) - are ridiculous, etc...I think there's a lot to do here working on these points.


[1:45 AM (Rainy)]
  1. 00:58:930 (3) - Move it to 200:272 to adjust spacing like the previous one who is at 2.40x. :arrow:Fixed.

I'm going to bed zzz :arrow:Sarry
Mukyu~
Last edited by polka , edited 1 time in total.
polka
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Topic Starter
polka
Updated! Waiting onGero and Atsuro!
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Gero
4,415 posts
Joined March 2012
Gero
I've fixed the rhythm that Nozhomi pointed out.

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polka
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Topic Starter
polka
Perfect! Show is back on the road!

Got a bn to look at it on Wednesday more like Thursday more like this weekend more like Sunday more like Tuesday "or I can shoot him"! Thanks Hobbes!
Nao Tomori
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Nao Tomori
is hobbes doing this or should i
polka
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polka

Naotoshi wrote:

is hobbes doing this or should i
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8909438
Hobbes2
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Hobbes2
[Beginner]

great for 3 year olds

00:37:884 (1) - This slider is perfect

[Renumi Beginner]

ok

[Easy]

00:10:124 (1,2) - blanket lol
00:22:661 - these bell sounds only happen here so you could do this to make it stand out!! - http://puu.sh/xgJPV/2bdc1beed0.jpg (basically split up 00:21:765 (3) - to circle + 1/1 slider)
00:57:586 (4) - this slider is perfect

[Gero Easy]

ok

[Novice]

00:07:437 (3,4,1) - clean up spacing a .05 difference is noticeably visually
00:08:332 - so noisy :( quieter hitsound pls?
00:22:213 - I don't think a slider bounce is enough for this. I'd map it out.
00:58:034 - Again, pls map. You do red tick rhythm earlier so why not here?

[Normal]

00:10:124 (2,3) - This particular overlap looks kinda ugly to me, cos its only overlapping the sliderborder which is (puke)

[Advanced]

ok

[ezek hard]

ok

[Noffy Hard]

00:08:332 - noisy hitsound :(

[Hard]

00:14:601 (3) - This shape is kinda ugly to me lol, guess its alright tho

[Atsuro hyper]

The slowdown thing is cool.

Spacing overall feels a bit weird to me. Please see Nozhomi's mod and respond to him because I agree with his points.

[Rainy]

00:02:288 - these slider tails are super noisy to me. I think you should reduce the volume for them. TBH whatever hitsound 00:06:542 (10)'s tail has just use that lol


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Noffy
Nomination Assessment Team
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Joined April 2012
Noffy
polka did hitsounds but that was randomly the only slidertail going into silence with that hitsound in my difficulty for some reason so i went ahead and removed it/ fixed it.
thanko

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:午前1時 (Rain)
Artist:Manaka Kataoka & Atsuko Asahi
ArtistUnicode:朝日温子 & 片岡真央
Creator:PolkaMocha
Version:1:31 AM (Noffy's Hard)
Source:とびだせ どうぶつの森
Tags:Renumi Gero Hobbes2 ezek Noffy Atsuro Animal Crossing: Crossing New Leaf Nintendo Game Slow Calm Xylophone Rainy 1 one am a.m. am. version short 3DS 1am
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polka
1,070 posts
Joined March 2014
Topic Starter
polka

Hobbes2 wrote:

[Beginner]

great for 3 year olds :arrow:Meow

00:37:884 (1) - This slider is perfect :arrow:ur perfect

[Renumi Beginner]

ok

[Easy]

00:10:124 (1,2) - blanket lol :arrow:k
00:22:661 - these bell sounds only happen here so you could do this to make it stand out!! - http://puu.sh/xgJPV/2bdc1beed0.jpg (basically split up 00:21:765 (3) - to circle + 1/1 slider) :arrow:Good idea but idk Ima just keep main rhythm here.
00:57:586 (4) - this slider is perfect :arrow:ur perfect

[Gero Easy]

ok

[Novice]

00:07:437 (3,4,1) - clean up spacing a .05 difference is noticeably visually :arrow:u right
00:08:332 - so noisy :( quieter hitsound pls? :arrow:Nop because quiet hitsounds are laaaaAAme
00:22:213 - I don't think a slider bounce is enough for this. I'd map it out. :arrow:Mapping the main rhythm so I figured I'd include this at least.
00:58:034 - Again, pls map. You do red tick rhythm earlier so why not here? :arrow:Done

[Normal]

00:10:124 (2,3) - This particular overlap looks kinda ugly to me, cos its only overlapping the sliderborder which is (puke) :arrow:Looks fine to me not sure what else to do

[Advanced]

ok

[ezek hard]

ok

[Noffy Hard]

00:08:332 - noisy hitsound :(:arrow:See above. Im keeping the tick tock consistent throughout the whole song.

[Hard]

00:14:601 (3) - This shape is kinda ugly to me lol, guess its alright tho :arrow:Changed.

[Atsuro hyper]

The slowdown thing is cool.

Spacing overall feels a bit weird to me. Please see Nozhomi's mod and respond to him because I agree with his points.

[Rainy]

00:02:288 - these slider tails are super noisy to me. I think you should reduce the volume for them. TBH whatever hitsound 00:06:542 (10)'s tail has just use that lol :arrow:muted alllllll the slider tails


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God bless you.

Waiting on Atsuro!! ouo b
Atsuro
1,279 posts
Joined January 2013
Atsuro
Oh i didnt answer to nozhomi's mod, i literally remade the map in answer to that, making it more consistent (with the same concept and ideas)
Hobbes2
Beatmap Nominator
2,209 posts
Joined March 2016
Hobbes2
@Atsuro Alright, fair enough.

Generally I feel like patterns could do more with what the music provides. ex: 00:07:437 - is clearly a more pronounced sound than 00:06:989 - but the spacing is the same due to the geometric pattern.

Also this diff feels inconsistent in parts with similar music having big changes in the patterns, like 00:11:019 (4,5,6,7) - has a spaicng increase to 5 when 00:27:138 (1,2,3,4) - has it to 3 when the music doesn't really justify such a change.

A neat diff in terms of its construction but I think these issues warrant further discussion. All of this being said it's not THAT bad so I may be fine with bubbling given a good response.
Atsuro
1,279 posts
Joined January 2013
Atsuro

Hobbes2 wrote:

@Atsuro Alright, fair enough.

Generally I feel like patterns could do more with what the music provides. ex: 00:07:437 - is clearly a more pronounced sound than 00:06:989 - but the spacing is the same due to the geometric pattern. Having an increase in spacing just doesnt feel right to me because, while it's more pronounced, it's not really a strong note that warrants a big change (contrary to this one 00:08:780 (6) - ). Having the slow slider i think is enough to represent this properly i think

Also this diff feels inconsistent in parts with similar music having big changes in the patterns, like 00:11:019 (4,5,6,7) - has a spaicng increase to 5 when 00:27:138 (1,2,3,4) - has it to 3 when the music doesn't really justify such a change. It's not the same part exactly, this 00:27:138 - would be the same notes as 00:12:810 - and, while those are sliders, it gives the same notes the most emphasis. 00:11:019 (4,5,6,7) - These are the same as 00:25:347 (3,4,5,6) - which are placed in a similar way (jump on the second note and same spacing on last three). All said i did find some inconsistencies that i ended up fixing (00:18:183 (4,5,6,7) - this aa)

A neat diff in terms of its construction but I think these issues warrant further discussion. All of this being said it's not THAT bad so I may be fine with bubbling given a good response.
Thanks!
Update: https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0B1A_nVu ... jZJcFlLMVE
polka
1,070 posts
Joined March 2014
Topic Starter
polka
so apparently qats dont like this




this should be fun.
Hobbes2
Beatmap Nominator
2,209 posts
Joined March 2016
Hobbes2
Summary of discussion I had with most of the qats

1) There's an issue brought up that the lower diffs are redundant; as in, the design of the lower diffs don't differ enough to warrant their existence.

2) I believe nobody said that it isn't inherently unrankable as is, but most agreed it didn't seem very reasonable.

Thoughts? Obviously given my star I think the spread should be fine but I can see the arguments against it.
polka
1,070 posts
Joined March 2014
Topic Starter
polka

Hobbes2 wrote:

Summary of discussion I had with most of the qats

1) There's an issue brought up that the lower diffs are redundant; as in, the design of the lower diffs don't differ enough to warrant their existence. :arrow:I'd be more than happy to vary my pattern choice separate my diffs by making them more original, but the process of remodding I think is just so extra. As No Title has the same extra at least more than twice.

2) I believe nobody said that it isn't inherently unrankable as is, but most agreed it didn't seem very reasonable. :arrow:With the huge growth of million gd spreads I can see why this is getting annoying. But I made this before those were popular sheerly because I wanted to give people as many ways to enjoy the song, as it is my absolute favorite from this whole series.

Thoughts? Obviously given my star I think the spread should be fine but I can see the arguments against it.
Irreversible
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4,311 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
My point of view on that is like... is it really necessary? It does seem really redundant in most of the cases. Obviously, there can be the argument as to "why do you need so many extras?" But imo that's something else, because people most of the times have different styles, which is actually hard to say in those easy diffs.

You could deifnitely ditch some of the very first diffs, because I do not see too much benefit of having so many similar diffs.
Beginner really does not offer a lot, apart from the sliders which follow the music in an interesting way, but this can be found in Easy as well, for example.

If you could elaborate on what exactly makes each diff unique, then please go ahead and I might be able to see your point of view!
polka
1,070 posts
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Topic Starter
polka

Irreversible wrote:

My point of view on that is like... is it really necessary? It does seem really redundant in most of the cases. Obviously, there can be the argument as to "why do you need so many extras?" But imo that's something else, because people most of the times have different styles, which is actually hard to say in those easy diffs.

You could deifnitely ditch some of the very first diffs, because I do not see too much benefit of having so many similar diffs.
Beginner really does not offer a lot, apart from the sliders which follow the music in an interesting way, but this can be found in Easy as well, for example.

If you could elaborate on what exactly makes each diff unique, then please go ahead and I might be able to see your point of view!
Hi! Personally I can understand the whole can get a bit redundant thing but when you mention the sliders, the siders in beginner do follow the rhythm the same way the sliders in easy do, but the difference is that easy is more dense than beginner, so they're theoretically, while alike, not the same. Additionally in Maps like reols no title there are several Difficulties that follow the exact same rhythm, and if not the exact same, very close. But if you would like me to add some more rhythmic variation in my personal difficulties so that way the guesy difficulties can stand out a bit more I can definitely do that so let me know what you'd like.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
The more we can agree on a compromise, the better. So if you could do things to fix the problem as good as possible, then that's the best solution!

I advise against comparing to other mapsets though, cuz we look at this mapset how it is right now, and not how 300 other mapsets were or currently are (at which you should state your opinion immediately, if you find something).
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