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Shmiklak
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pishifat wrote:

mod mod mod mod mod

adv
go with a higher od like 5 or 5.5. od4 is what you see on normals lol I did it for him

hard
01:05:760 (2,3) - volume copied from insane kinda doesn't make sense with how you arranged stuff on this diff. should just go with 70% throughout these sliders I've fixed it because I made hs for all diffs, but I used 75% instead of 70%

insane
01:03:691 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - it looks like you're trying to keep rotation between the squares/stream consistent, but the start of the stream forces rotation in the opposite direction at the beginning. easier explanation: 1 Fixed!2
01:05:760 (1) - shouldn't start the 1/8 before the song starts 1/8, even if it's cool lul. something like vanu's rhythm would be ok uh, what do you mean? thx to hobbes for explanation, fixed!
general thing: you're not gonna like it, but the way you handle 3/4 sliders in the kiai is kinda a pain to play :( if it weren't abusing slider leniency as much, i'd think it would be ok, like this sorta stuff. some are okay already like 01:24:381 (1) - , others might be a bit too highly spaced even if moving in the most intuitive direction like 01:38:174 (1,1) - , most would be okay if ctrl+g'd I agree with you, fixed all similar things

might recheck depending on responses!!
Thank you! vanucik doesn't speak English well so I'm gonna translate your mod for him and then I will translate his response:

другой insane
тоже самое что последний пункт в инсейне шмиклака лол. вещи типо 01:27:484 (1,2,3,4) - были бы окей если дс между 1/4 был меньше (как тут в конкретно этом случае ОТ МЕНЯ КОМЕНТ: ТУТ ПРОСТО ctrl+g нажмешь)
Моя мысль должна быть применена на все подобные моменты гг
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Izzywing
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01:05:760 (1) - for this in the insane, pishi means the 1/8 doesnt start until 01:06:105, so having all of 01:05:760 - to 01:06:105 - be a 1/8 kickslider doesn't make sense when its not 1/8 yet in the music
wajinshu
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wajinshu

pishifat wrote:

mod mod mod mod mod

normal
01:25:070 (5,6) - 01:26:450 (2,3) - 01:47:139 (5,6) - 01:48:519 (2,3) - not very supportive of multiple consecutive 1/2 sliders on the lowest diff. going with the 1/2 repeatingsliders like 01:14:036 (5) - would be more appropriate (or some other less dense rhythm)
01:34:381 (6,1) - combos should be swapped
01:38:863 (5,6) - spacing .9x right
01:49:553 (1) - according to 01:27:484 (5) - this shouldnt be new combo'd lul
Fixed all. Thank you!
Shmiklak
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Hobbes2 wrote:

01:05:760 (1) - for this in the insane, pishi means the 1/8 doesnt start until 01:06:105, so having all of 01:05:760 - to 01:06:105 - be a 1/8 kickslider doesn't make sense when its not 1/8 yet in the music
Thank you for explanation! Fixed!
vanucik
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vanucik

pishifat wrote:

other insane

kind of the same complaint as the last thing on shmiklak's insane lol. stuff like 01:27:484 (1,2,3,4) - might be going overboard with the slider leneicny stuff, whereas they'd be okay if spacing between the 1/4 were smaller (like this in this case)
the idea applies to almost all of them though, as explained in the other diff gg

I do not understand why you think that there is a big spacing , with such big sv in my diff, it's very easy to aim these circles, this powerful sound ( 01:28:088 (3) - ) allows me to increase the 12312321x spacing

ещё не понимаю почему шмиклак не смог этот звук захсить 01:11:536 (3) - , но ладно, это его проблемы
Shmiklak
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Okay, vanucik has replied and he has told us his opinion. Even if I disagree with vanucik and in my opinion the thing could be fixed, vanucik doesn't want to change it and he wants to hear pishifat's opinion after his answer. Now, let's wait for pishifat.
N0thingSpecial
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N0thingSpecial
ask and you shall receive
vanucik
01:05:415 (1,2,3,4,5) - just want to point out these are pretty forced, I get you're trying to increase the intensity cause there's that increasing pitch thing, but it puts unnecessary emphasis on 01:05:588 (2,4) - which makes the whole thing seem overdone

01:27:829 (2,3,4) - these are pretty unexpected as the slider just makes it aesthetically different from the other triplets, to add salt to injury it's on the complete opposite direction of the slider

01:33:346 (2,3,4) - this clusters just suggest the players to not move their cursor drastically as they can abuse slider leniency, it's kinda uncomfortable to play, especially with hr, as you're forced to stop your cursor at 01:33:605 (3) - and continue moving in a linear way from 01:33:346 (2) - to 01:33:691 (4) -

was asked to look through pishi's mod, I pretty much agree with what he said but not as bad as he describe it to be, at my skill level I can sightread them pretty easily but it really depends on your target audience and I can pretty much tell they are a pain for lower ranked players with how you handle flow, inconsistency in how you make them flow like 01:33:346 (2,3,4) - and 01:38:863 (2,3,4) - is pretty much why it's unpredictable and a pain to aim
Shmiklak
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translation for vanucik

N0thingSpecial wrote:

спроси и получи
vanucik
01:05:415 (1,2,3,4,5) - просто хочу заметить что эти слишком натянуты, я понял ты пытаешься повысить интенсивность потому что тут меняется питч, но это делает ненужное выделение на 01:05:588 (2,4) - что делает всю хуйню овердан

01:27:829 (2,3,4) - эти очень неожданные слайдер делает это эстетичеси другим от прочих триплетов, что бы добавить соли я не понял чё он сказал, но спасибо намки за объяснение:


01:33:346 (2,3,4) - этот пучок просто предлагает игрокам не двигать их курсор радикально как они могут абузить слайдер лениенси это как то не удобно играть особенно с хр так как ты заставлен остановить свой курсор и продолжать движение прямо с 01:33:346 (2) - to 01:33:691 (4) -

was asked to look through pishi's mod, I pretty much agree with what he said but not as bad as he describe it to be, at my skill level I can sightread them pretty easily but it really depends on your target audience and I can pretty much tell they are a pain for lower ranked players with how you handle flow, inconsistency in how you make them flow like 01:33:346 (2,3,4) - and 01:38:863 (2,3,4) - is pretty much why it's unpredictable and a pain to aim
Спасибо бакари за перевод:
vanucik
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vanucik

N0thingSpecial wrote:

ask and you shall receive
vanucik
01:05:415 (1,2,3,4,5) - just want to point out these are pretty forced, I get you're trying to increase the intensity cause there's that increasing pitch thing, but it puts unnecessary emphasis on 01:05:588 (2,4) - which makes the whole thing seem overdone не могу понять, какую мысль хочешь до меня донести, если ты говоришь про "overdone" , то я с тобой не согласен, т.к звуки одинаковые, дс тот же, говорить о том, что они слишком сильно выделены для меня странно

01:27:829 (2,3,4) - these are pretty unexpected as the slider just makes it aesthetically different from the other triplets, to add salt to injury it's on the complete opposite direction of the slider я подобную хуету делал и в прошлых паттернах, только спейс на пиксель больше, как и градусная мера джампа, для того чтобы подчеркнуть флоу

01:33:346 (2,3,4) - this clusters just suggest the players to not move their cursor drastically as they can abuse slider leniency, it's kinda uncomfortable to play, especially with hr, as you're forced to stop your cursor at 01:33:605 (3) - and continue moving in a linear way from 01:33:346 (2) - to 01:33:691 (4) -
мне кажется ты бредишь, я не вижу никакой остановки курсора там, только небольшое замедление из-за этого говностака, мне кажется так сойдёт, этот инс вообще-то создан для 50к игроков, которых в сотни раз больше чем хер плееров

was asked to look through pishi's mod, I pretty much agree with what he said but not as bad as he describe it to be, at my skill level I can sightread them pretty easily but it really depends on your target audience and I can pretty much tell they are a pain for lower ranked players with how you handle flow, inconsistency in how you make them flow like 01:33:346 (2,3,4) - and 01:38:863 (2,3,4) - is pretty much why it's unpredictable and a pain to aim
это вообще субьективный вопрос, можно делать карты которые изи читаются изи пипки, а можно делать чуть сложнее,
чтобы пепе-фармеры ретраили подобную хуйню вроде моего инса и набивали плейкаунт на этой карте, чтобы карта шмика могла бы попасть топ, от чего я думаю он бы не отказался

ЗАЧЕМ ПЕРЕВОДИТЬ МОДЫ, МОЙ ИНГЛИШ 10 ЛВЛА (КЛАССА) ПОЗВОЛЯЕТ МНЕ ХОТЯ БЫ СМЫСЛ ПОНЯТЬ, ВЫ ЧЁ ЕБУ ДАЛИ
Shmiklak
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translatation to English
vanucik
01:05:415 (1,2,3,4,5) - just want to point out these are pretty forced, I get you're trying to increase the intensity cause there's that increasing pitch thing, but it puts unnecessary emphasis on 01:05:588 (2,4) - which makes the whole thing seem overdone cannot understand, what idea you want get to me, if you say about "overdone". I don't agree with you, because the sounds are the same, ds is the same, talking that they are too emphasised is strange for me

01:27:829 (2,3,4) - these are pretty unexpected as the slider just makes it aesthetically different from the other triplets, to add salt to injury it's on the complete opposite direction of the slider I did similar things in previous patterns, the only difference is different ds for a pixel and degree measure of the jump, to emphasis flow

01:33:346 (2,3,4) - this clusters just suggest the players to not move their cursor drastically as they can abuse slider leniency, it's kinda uncomfortable to play, especially with hr, as you're forced to stop your cursor at 01:33:605 (3) - and continue moving in a linear way from 01:33:346 (2) - to 01:33:691 (4) -
in my opinion you are raving, i dont see any stop of cursor there, only a little deceleration because of the stack, but imo it's okay because the insane diff was created for 50k players, not for HR players. btw there are more 50k players than HR players

was asked to look through pishi's mod, I pretty much agree with what he said but not as bad as he describe it to be, at my skill level I can sightread them pretty easily but it really depends on your target audience and I can pretty much tell they are a pain for lower ranked players with how you handle flow, inconsistency in how you make them flow like 01:33:346 (2,3,4) - and 01:38:863 (2,3,4) - is pretty much why it's unpredictable and a pain to aim
this is a subjective question,we may make an easy map which is easy to read and which is "EZ PP" but also we may make them a bit harder, so farmers will retry things like my insane and make playcount on the map, so Shmik's map can be in most played, imo he wouldn't be against of that xd
N0thingSpecial
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vanucik
01:05:415 (1,2,3,4,5) - just want to point out these are pretty forced, I get you're trying to increase the intensity cause there's that increasing pitch thing, but it puts unnecessary emphasis on 01:05:588 (2,4) - which makes the whole thing seem overdone cannot understand, what idea you want get to me, if you say about "overdone". I don't agree with you, because the sounds are the same, ds is the same, talking that they are too emphasised is strange for me
im saying that mapping jumps is too much emphasis for what the music provides imo, like why is 01:05:588 (2,4) - given just as much emphasis as 01:05:415 (1,3) - when the pitch change only happen on 01:05:415 - 01:05:760 - and 01:06:105 -? my suggestion is to remove 01:05:588 (2,4) - and change 01:05:415 (1,3) - into repeating sliders. OR stack the sliders like this

Also yes I'm raving but that's how I mod lol
vanucik
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vanucik

N0thingSpecial wrote:

vanucik
01:05:415 (1,2,3,4,5) - just want to point out these are pretty forced, I get you're trying to increase the intensity cause there's that increasing pitch thing, but it puts unnecessary emphasis on 01:05:588 (2,4) - which makes the whole thing seem overdone cannot understand, what idea you want get to me, if you say about "overdone". I don't agree with you, because the sounds are the same, ds is the same, talking that they are too emphasised is strange for me
im saying that mapping jumps is too much emphasis for what the music provides imo, like why is 01:05:588 (2,4) - given just as much emphasis as 01:05:415 (1,3) - when the pitch change only happen on 01:05:415 - 01:05:760 - and 01:06:105 -? my suggestion is to remove 01:05:588 (2,4) - and change 01:05:415 (1,3) - into repeating sliders. OR stack the sliders like this

Also yes I'm raving but that's how I mod lol
Ну во первых там звуки слабо отличаются друг от друга, при игре почти никто не поймет, что есть разница между этими кикслайдерами, во вторых сила (поток , напор или как там его звать) музыки возрастает, поэтому я решил постепенно увеличить скорость игры обьектов, вкупе с таким флоу это играется збс. Твой пример затормаживает тот самый флоу, я понял, что ты хотел, чтобы я усилил акцент на (1, 3) кикслайдерах, но это немного мешает играть, музыка с каждым разом всё громче, а тут просто идёт остановка, эти слайдеры ( 01:05:588 (2,4) - ) оказываются по сути ненужными, даже лишними я бы сказал и поэтому вместо предложенных тобой слайдеров я сделал так, как оно есть сейчас
Shmiklak
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Translation by Namki:
Okay, firstly, sounds don't seem to differ much, also noone will notice this difference between kicksliders.
Secondly, music intesity is increasing so I've decided to rise speed. It's played well with such kind of flow. Btw, following your example it makes my flow break, it's not meant to be stopped. As far as I understood you'd want me to make an emphasis on 1 and 3 kicksliders but it interrupts playing in that way, music becomes louder but according your suggestion flow stops and these sliders 01:05:588 (2,4) - become needless so I made this as I made this.
EDIT: renamed vanucik's diff to Sight
Nikakis
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Nikakis
Chilling song and very solid made.Wish you the best!
vanucik
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vanucik
Shmiklak
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Shmiklak
What does it mean?
vanucik
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vanucik
хорошая игра и мнения интересные, бтв теперь я считаю, что это pishinucik's sight
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Shmiklak
Elite Storyboarder
3,218 posts
Joined January 2015
Topic Starter
Shmiklak
In my opinion your diff still needs some work because some patterns are still questionable. That's what I think:
01:11:277 (2,3,4) - too far
01:22:312 (2,3,4) -perfect
01:33:346 (2,3,4) - far
01:38:863 (2,3,4) - ^
01:44:381 (2,3,4) -too far
01:49:898 (2,3,4) - far
I hope that you are gonna fix all of these things
vanucik
484 posts
Joined December 2014
vanucik
можешь добавить старую версию моего инсейна в описание (подписать vanucik's insane old version), я хочу, чтобы она висела вместе с испорченным куском говна (у меня нет выбора)
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Shmiklak
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Looks okayish for me now. I hope it will look so for pishifat too!
Hikomori
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vanucik's sight: 01:32:312 (4) - this one breaks flow imo
Shmiklak
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nah it doesn't. vanucik says that it's okay
pishifat
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changes to the 1/4stuff looks good for the most part

only one that sucks is 01:27:829 (2,3,4,5) - . the point of reducing the 1/4 spacing is so it's visually different from 1/2 spacing, but here you reduced spacing between 4 and 5 to the same low spacing as your 1/4 stuff :( should increase spacing between 4 and 5 somehow (which might require rearranging things)

shmik insane: 01:46:794 (1,2) - tail snapping
Shmiklak
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updated both diffs
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pishifat wrote:

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vanucik wrote:

pishifat wrote:

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hello
Last edited by Azinlen , edited 2 times in total.
Strategas
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[vanucik]
00:38:519 (3,5) - reverse hitsounds - clap should be on 5
[insane]

00:50:932 (3) - no idea why you don't do it same as 00:52:312 (3,4) - 00:53:691 (3,4) - you follow strong sounds in one place and don't in another

00:55:846 (1) - spinner feels random tbh, would suggest having a break here like other diffs

01:13:346 (1) - I get what you're doing with these, but they need a better distinction from other sliders than just an NC, it hurts playability a lot since you would expect non extended sliders here zzz. I would suggest making the spacing smaller between stuff like 01:13:346 (1,1) - or if you feel like it, could make the slider shape that follows that sound unique and then constantly use it on those sv changes. First option is better for playabilty, second for coolness so whatever you want. In case you weren't aware it applies to your whole kiai.

lower diffs look good
Shmiklak
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fixed everything
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h e a r t
riffy
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Might need kwan to recheck metadata: https://soundcloud.com/feintdnb/watch-me

Edit: yt also confirms

edit2: 01:29:381 (3) - would vanucik explain why is this slider here? I am concerned about passive rhythm on 01:29:725 - as in other instances it is a clickable beat. 01:31:105 (5) - 01:26:967 (5) - and some other examples. Oh, and this is literally the only slider with a reverse in the whole part. Seemed somwhat weird to me.
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Bakari wrote:

edit2: 01:29:381 (3) - would vanucik explain why is this slider here? I am concerned about passive rhythm on 01:29:725 - as in other instances it is a clickable beat. 01:31:105 (5) - 01:26:967 (5) - and some other examples. Oh, and this is literally the only slider with a reverse in the whole part. Seemed somwhat weird to me.
Хм, я думаю, что один реверс можно вставить, чтобы дать немного отдыха для игрока после джампов (и первых двух киаи), то что он один, для меня ничего не значит, это не анранк какой-то. Упустить этот звук один раз из-за реверса не значит ничего плохого.
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shmiklak doesnt have a source for the (original mix) thing, so let's fix that
riffy
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@vanucik why would you need a less dense pattern in a one minute long diff? especially when the music provides zero variety
vanucik
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Bakari wrote:

@vanucik why would you need a less dense pattern in a one minute long diff? especially when the music provides zero variety
Я не обязан оправдываться за этот слайдер, это самый обычный игровой объект. То, что он единственный в моей сложности ничего не значит, захотел после джампов поставить его - поставил, я думаю это обычная придирка, не понимаю, что тут ужасного. Слайдер, он и в Африке слайдер. Зиро вариети - добавить реверс, вот и всё.
riffy
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Суть в том, что ты противоречишь своему же ритму. Этот реверс там совсем необоснован, он бросается в глаза и игнорирует ударные

Более того, ты не можешь никак его обосновать.
Namki
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well,
kinda solid but I don't see this issue that big as you've written it lol
having consistent rhythm is great but either clickable or not is fine as for me
also, 01:33:863 - and 01:39:381 - why haven't you mentioned these as well. they went sorta inconsistent according your post.
idk what are you complaining here tbh
gl
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good point, guess we could consider changing these as well!
Namki
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that's not what I meant!
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