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:O :O :O another cool maps
!!!!!
It's been a long road (lol I think I spent like 40-45 hours on this check aaaa variable BPM timing is scary) but thank you so much for letting me help push this set Tidek, and thank you so much for helping me along the way _underjoy <3
I am so SO hyped to see this in ranked soooo time to bubble!!
It's been a long road (lol I think I spent like 40-45 hours on this check aaaa variable BPM timing is scary) but thank you so much for letting me help push this set Tidek, and thank you so much for helping me along the way _underjoy <3
I am so SO hyped to see this in ranked soooo time to bubble!!
-MysticEyes wrote:
!!!!!
!!
beautiful
I still have a few concerns about that timing which I'll explain a little later, so pop for now until we figure this out.
Nearly 10 months since uj first came to ask...
Hey I'm here now, soz I died a lot, hope I ain't forgotten how to format v1 lol plz no kill me thx
Ok, here goes nothing...
I really shouldn't mod this song so late at night, it's so soothing I might fall asleep to it lol
Side note shouldn't 07:35:695 have a hitsound (not really focussing on hs at all because it's piano whatever but this caught my eye a bit)
Oh I finished holy fuck this has been looming for like forever in the back of my mind
But yeah, the timing still needs quite a bit of tweaking so I'm assuming uj is in charge of that; I'll find him in-game when I can.
v1 is the better modding system change my mind
Nearly 10 months since uj first came to ask...
Hey I'm here now, soz I died a lot, hope I ain't forgotten how to format v1 lol plz no kill me thx
[General]
_uj tells me that the 4k diff is coming down to hp9.3, sweet
I remember the hitsounds annoying me a little when I first looked through a while back but has been fixed well enough... not much that can be done without full keysounding tbh so I ain't blame ya.
Barely getting by with those 101ms hitsounds lmao
There is a lot of wasted space on the audio file (frequency barely hits 14KHz, which does make 128kbps equally viable)... not really going to force you to do anything here since timing the damn thing was hard enough as is and reencoding might mess that up, just an fyi I guess
Also "Other" in tags, although it has been suggested, makes no sense in context/ isn't really that relevant since it can be applied to literally anything so you might as well remove it. Could add "diverse system" though since that was the label the album it was released under.
_uj tells me that the 4k diff is coming down to hp9.3, sweet
I remember the hitsounds annoying me a little when I first looked through a while back but has been fixed well enough... not much that can be done without full keysounding tbh so I ain't blame ya.
Barely getting by with those 101ms hitsounds lmao
There is a lot of wasted space on the audio file (frequency barely hits 14KHz, which does make 128kbps equally viable)... not really going to force you to do anything here since timing the damn thing was hard enough as is and reencoding might mess that up, just an fyi I guess
Also "Other" in tags, although it has been suggested, makes no sense in context/ isn't really that relevant since it can be applied to literally anything so you might as well remove it. Could add "diverse system" though since that was the label the album it was released under.
Ok, here goes nothing...
[Timing]
So basically, although mystic did a great job of fixing most of the timing, he kinda left it with the 3/4 time signature, which has meant some funny values have crept in for BPMs, since the song is almost entirely 6/8 (3/4 gives incorrect musical emphasis with 3 beats to a measure instead of 2).
The timing lines felt a little unoptimised for things that could be snapped freely (since that's essentially what the music does), as well as the occasional time where a few more lines would prove useful. Below is my attempt at cleaning the lines up a little; bear in mind that they be a few milliseconds out since my headphones have been known to play up recently, but it should be fine:
So basically, although mystic did a great job of fixing most of the timing, he kinda left it with the 3/4 time signature, which has meant some funny values have crept in for BPMs, since the song is almost entirely 6/8 (3/4 gives incorrect musical emphasis with 3 beats to a measure instead of 2).
The timing lines felt a little unoptimised for things that could be snapped freely (since that's essentially what the music does), as well as the occasional time where a few more lines would prove useful. Below is my attempt at cleaning the lines up a little; bear in mind that they be a few milliseconds out since my headphones have been known to play up recently, but it should be fine:
points
ty agka for letting me be lazy with the BPM normalisations lol save me a couple more hours' work
the higher BPMs should allow for more free snapping as it were, hopefully, that doesn't mess anything up too badly
the higher BPMs should allow for more free snapping as it were, hopefully, that doesn't mess anything up too badly
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I really shouldn't mod this song so late at night, it's so soothing I might fall asleep to it lol
Side note shouldn't 07:35:695 have a hitsound (not really focussing on hs at all because it's piano whatever but this caught my eye a bit)
4K Blossoming Lily
My general question is since you're considering this to be a "boss song" of sorts, where do you want the hardest part of the song to be? (for emphasis at least.)
05:50:330 is likely a lot more challenging because of the speed and reading difficulty (I feel like the jack emphasis might be a little overdone in places, I'll try and point out below), while 06:55:124 carries more weight with just pure jack speed. Personally, I feel as though the latter section is easier to do, and perhaps might be a little better to make it a little harder (likely through reading difficulty), or make the earlier section a fraction easier to read.
I don't know whether you'll want to do anything against this point of view, but I'll just put it out there and see what you think.
05:50:330 is likely a lot more challenging because of the speed and reading difficulty (I feel like the jack emphasis might be a little overdone in places, I'll try and point out below), while 06:55:124 carries more weight with just pure jack speed. Personally, I feel as though the latter section is easier to do, and perhaps might be a little better to make it a little harder (likely through reading difficulty), or make the earlier section a fraction easier to read.
I don't know whether you'll want to do anything against this point of view, but I'll just put it out there and see what you think.
- 01:12:718 (72718|3,72843|2,72968|3) - if you're going for PR on the arpeggios, wouldn't this be a little better as 343?
- 03:09:919 (189919|2,189919|1) - I feel like a double here might be a little too much considering how quiet the bass piano note is (concept also feels a little bit inconsistently applied since it theoretically could also be put at 03:10:573 (190573|1,191226|2)). Same with 03:12:533.
- 03:26:992 - just a forward notice that a few of the notes here could be a little more accurate, won't sort this out until the timing gets sorted
- 03:35:183 (215183|2,215237|3,215292|2) - this doesn't make much sense to have the OH trill here with the piano still ascending in pitch
- 03:59:364 - out of all the places for reverse PR why here (ctrl+h is cool)
- 04:14:374 (254374|0,254374|3,254483|1,254483|2) - I get the emphasis bit here, but there's still only one piano note so it still doesn't make much sense
- 05:53:901 (353901|3,353901|2,353901|0) - lacking a bass piano so idk why triple here (feels a little weird to me to represent varying emphases with the same size chord)
- 05:54:972 (354972|0,354972|3,354972|2) - ^ (perhaps inconsistent emphasis here considering 05:54:080 is just a double)
- 06:03:008 (363008|2,363008|3,363008|0,363097|2) - jack emphasis doesn't feel right here imo; could also be worth reducing that chord size by a note. Same with 06:20:038.
- 06:10:569 - feels a little overlayered compared to the volume at 05:53:544 (especially with the lack of sustained piano here), might be worth reducing the triples (mentioned in 7k too woo)
- 06:18:605 (378605|3,378605|1,378605|0,378605|2) - lacks emphasis relative to 06:18:962, might be better as triple here
- 06:31:692 (391692|2,391787|3) - might be worth swapping these two over (and consequently 04:19:993 (259993|2,260088|3) as well) since it kinda defeats the point of the PR here if 06:31:787 (391787|3,391930|3,392073|3) are in the same column
- 06:49:383 (409383|3,409486|2,409486|0) - don't feel like these belong to anything (ghost)
- 07:09:961 - p sure you could have a note here (has the same thing as 07:10:261 (430261|2) does basically)
- 07:12:600 - why reverse PR again for something this long aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
- 07:48:590 (468590|3,468590|2,468590|0) - doesn't feel much different to chords before this, might be better as a double
7K "uj make your mind up about what you want it to be called" diff
Some deity please help me with my mapping knowledge for checking another super hard 7k thing again...
I'll assume the snapping errors are consistent with the 4k diff and I'm dealing with those post-timing changes so we'll worry about that later
Generally just the odd (maybe subjective idk) chord size misrepresentations
I'll assume the snapping errors are consistent with the 4k diff and I'm dealing with those post-timing changes so we'll worry about that later
Generally just the odd (maybe subjective idk) chord size misrepresentations
- 01:47:426 (107426|4,107426|1,107509|6,107509|2) - surely these should just be singles since they're part of the countermelody (which shouldn't really get that much emphasis), unlike 01:45:343 etc. (also inconsistent with 01:48:176 (108176|4,108259|2) which does the same thing)
- 01:50:843 (110843|4) - feel like this should have one more note here since the last chord has 4 (same for next groups)
- 01:52:093 - Chord is slightly different; could do [2357] (01:55:136 also has the same difference)
- 01:58:968 - might be worth an extra note in col 7?
- 02:27:961 (147961|2,147961|1,147985|4) - tiny thing about the bass piano only having one note but being very loud, whilst in the higher register there are like 4 or 5 notes but all generally quieter... tbh I'd go 2 and [56] here
- 02:33:282 - a bit too similar to the previous chord despite being quite different in pitch; relative terms it's closer than the other chords so [2345] is a viable option here if there's nothing else you wanna try
- 02:39:178 - feel like the representation of the lower register piano is missing here perhaps at...
- 02:39:178 - col 3
- 02:41:787 - col 2
- 02:49:613 - col 3
- 02:52:221 - col 2
- 03:27:751 (207751|6,210355|6) - looks maybe a little weird to have these two notes in the same column considering the pitch difference
- 04:00:994 - has an inconsistent chord size with 03:58:386
- 04:11:543 (251543|6,251615|5,251760|4,251833|3,251978|6,252051|5,252196|4,252268|3,252414|6,252486|5,252631|4,252704|3) - might be worth getting this broken roll moving left across the columns a little sooner
- 05:13:992 - groups of 3 start here (05:15:901 (315901|0,315992|1,316082|3,316082|2) this thing); runningman only works over the 3-group because of the lack of chords I reckon, puts emphasis in weird places otherwise. By all means, keep the pattern roughly the same, but change chord placements.
- 05:18:255 - chord allocation, namely of triples, seems a little shaky/inconsistent, in that I can't determine a pattern, and there definitely should be one, given the repetitive nature of the piano here. 05:19:238 (319238|3) and 05:20:714 (320714|3) seem to be the offending notes.
- 05:30:304 - Are you sure you want triples every 1/2 now (instead of 1/1 like earlier); the triples at 05:31:287 etc. feel like change enough to me. If anything, keep it for after 05:35:959 to have two small changes to the structure rather than one relatively large one.
- 05:35:795 (335795|3,335795|5,335795|1,335877|2,335877|4,335877|6) - Given the volume (and against the pattern I know), triples feel like a little too much here tbh; could have a quad at 05:35:714 instead? (4224 chord sizes, more similar to 4k)
- 05:40:222 (340222|5,340222|2,340222|1,340304|4,340304|3,340304|0) - similar to ^ the piano is basically trailing off here before the 1/1
- 05:40:714 (340714|5,340714|1,340795|2,340795|6) - perhaps a missed opportunity for triples here (and 05:41:205 (341205|1,341205|3,341287|4,341287|2)), especially with 05:41:615 having all triples
- 05:43:530 - PR properly dammit (1243 2354 etc or smth)
- 05:50:099 (350099|0,350099|4,350099|6,350099|2) - ya missin hitsounds on this chord
- 05:55:330 - Mayyyyybe that lower piano note could give this chord an extra note?
- 05:56:490 (356490|2,356490|4) - why this is a different chord size to 05:56:312 is beyond me; besides, definitely feel like there should be a note in col 7 here
- 05:57:562 - literally ^ again (the main piano is still moving and not quietly either)
- 06:10:569 - feels a little overlayered compared to the volume at 05:53:544 (especially with the lack of sustained piano here), might be worth reducing the triples (4k does the same thing so the same point has been raised there)
- 06:12:087 (372087|2,372176|2) - jack feels a little out of place for emphasis compared to what else it's used for in this section
- 06:13:515 (373515|4,373515|6) - deja vu, I've been in this place before lalala~ can we have another note in the chord please?~
- 06:14:587 - ^
- 06:37:270 (397270|5,397270|3) - inconsistent to be just 2 notes here
- 06:55:124 - feels like triple allocation feels a little off again. My guess is that the extra note comes with the presence of piano in the lower register, at least for the beginning of the section: (heck if I'm right but I'm not going to over-analyze this so if I'm not right, explain so my brain doesn't explode)
- 06:55:623 - should be an extra note here
- 06:57:022 (417022|1,417222|1) - not here
- 06:58:421 (418421|5,418421|3,418421|1) - not really any bass-y stuff here either
- 07:04:016 (424016|2,424116|2) - since there isn't really any other pitch thing that remains the same, I'd just keep to the RH longjack here
- 07:07:114 - 3 in the chord undersells this a little bit (especially with 07:07:713)
- 07:56:124 - I can't remember the timestamp the previous one was but background piano bla bla remove a note
- 08:42:645 (522645|2) - should be on the same line as the note in col 6 iirc from earlier in the map
Oh I finished holy fuck this has been looming for like forever in the back of my mind
But yeah, the timing still needs quite a bit of tweaking so I'm assuming uj is in charge of that; I'll find him in-game when I can.
v1 is the better modding system change my mind
I kept the timing while changing everything to 6/4.Asherz007 wrote:
7K "uj make your mind up about what you want it to be called" diffSome deity please help me with my mapping knowledge for checking another super hard 7k thing again...
I'll assume the snapping errors are consistent with the 4k diff and I'm dealing with those post-timing changes so we'll worry about that later
Generally just the odd (maybe subjective idk) chord size misrepresentations
- 01:47:426 (107426|4,107426|1,107509|6,107509|2) - surely these should just be singles since they're part of the countermelody (which shouldn't really get that much emphasis), unlike 01:45:343 etc. (also inconsistent with 01:48:176 (108176|4,108259|2) which does the same thing) fair enough
- 01:50:843 (110843|4) - feel like this should have one more note here since the last chord has 4 (same for next groups) there's only one piano note here
- 01:52:093 - Chord is slightly different; could do [2357] (01:55:136 also has the same difference) went with 1356
- 01:58:968 - might be worth an extra note in col 7? I prefer 2 notes
- 02:27:961 (147961|2,147961|1,147985|4) - tiny thing about the bass piano only having one note but being very loud, whilst in the higher register there are like 4 or 5 notes but all generally quieter... tbh I'd go 2 and [56] here fair
- 02:33:282 - a bit too similar to the previous chord despite being quite different in pitch; relative terms it's closer than the other chords so [2345] is a viable option here if there's nothing else you wanna try moved a note to 3
- 02:39:178 - feel like the representation of the lower register piano is missing here perhaps at...
Might also be worth moving 02:43:091 (163091|1) to col 1 for sanity's/PR sake. (Same for 03:38:277 as such) I went purely for pattering here so not quite strict PR relevancy.
- 02:39:178 - col 3
- 02:41:787 - col 2
- 02:49:613 - col 3
- 02:52:221 - col 2
- 03:27:751 (207751|6,210355|6) - looks maybe a little weird to have these two notes in the same column considering the pitch difference I repeat this thing a few times, and the sound is not exact but the PR notion remains the same, no change here
- 04:00:994 - has an inconsistent chord size with 03:58:386 ok
- 04:11:543 (251543|6,251615|5,251760|4,251833|3,251978|6,252051|5,252196|4,252268|3,252414|6,252486|5,252631|4,252704|3) - might be worth getting this broken roll moving left across the columns a little sooner while it's true, can't find a working pattern
- 05:13:992 - groups of 3 start here (05:15:901 (315901|0,315992|1,316082|3,316082|2) this thing); runningman only works over the 3-group because of the lack of chords I reckon, puts emphasis in weird places otherwise. By all means, keep the pattern roughly the same, but change chord placements. changed the pattern drastically
- 05:18:255 - chord allocation, namely of triples, seems a little shaky/inconsistent, in that I can't determine a pattern, and there definitely should be one, given the repetitive nature of the piano here. 05:19:238 (319238|3) and 05:20:714 (320714|3) seem to be the offending notes. deleted
- 05:30:304 - Are you sure you want triples every 1/2 now (instead of 1/1 like earlier); the triples at 05:31:287 etc. feel like change enough to me. If anything, keep it for after 05:35:959 to have two small changes to the structure rather than one relatively large one. yep I'm confident in that
- 05:35:795 (335795|3,335795|5,335795|1,335877|2,335877|4,335877|6) - Given the volume (and against the pattern I know), triples feel like a little too much here tbh; could have a quad at 05:35:714 instead? (4224 chord sizes, more similar to 4k) oki
- 05:40:222 (340222|5,340222|2,340222|1,340304|4,340304|3,340304|0) - similar to ^ the piano is basically trailing off here before the 1/1 k
- 05:40:714 (340714|5,340714|1,340795|2,340795|6) - perhaps a missed opportunity for triples here (and 05:41:205 (341205|1,341205|3,341287|4,341287|2)), especially with 05:41:615 having all triples did something nice
- 05:43:530 - PR properly dammit (1243 2354 etc or smth) oops
- 05:50:099 (350099|0,350099|4,350099|6,350099|2) - ya missin hitsounds on this chord
- 05:55:330 - Mayyyyybe that lower piano note could give this chord an extra note? yep
- 05:56:490 (356490|2,356490|4) - why this is a different chord size to 05:56:312 is beyond me; besides, definitely feel like there should be a note in col 7 here the piano is a bit more faint here, and also a double accentuates the following chord better
- 05:57:562 - literally ^ again (the main piano is still moving and not quietly either) ^
- 06:10:569 - feels a little overlayered compared to the volume at 05:53:544 (especially with the lack of sustained piano here), might be worth reducing the triples (4k does the same thing so the same point has been raised there) going for pattern here so 5-chord stays
- 06:12:087 (372087|2,372176|2) - jack feels a little out of place for emphasis compared to what else it's used for in this section might be,, but the music clearly suggests it imo
- 06:13:515 (373515|4,373515|6) - deja vu, I've been in this place before lalala~ can we have another note in the chord please?~ NO >:)
- 06:14:587 - ^ ^
- 06:37:270 (397270|5,397270|3) - inconsistent to be just 2 notes here added one
- 06:55:124 - feels like triple allocation feels a little off again. My guess is that the extra note comes with the presence of piano in the lower register, at least for the beginning of the section: (heck if I'm right but I'm not going to over-analyze this so if I'm not right, explain so my brain doesn't explode)
- 06:55:623 - should be an extra note here yes
- 06:57:022 (417022|1,417222|1) - not here yes
- 06:58:421 (418421|5,418421|3,418421|1) - not really any bass-y stuff here either I disagree
- 07:04:016 (424016|2,424116|2) - since there isn't really any other pitch thing that remains the same, I'd just keep to the RH longjack here the piano dynamics made me do a jack even if the sound isn't -equal-
- 07:07:114 - 3 in the chord undersells this a little bit (especially with 07:07:713) added note
- 07:56:124 - I can't remember the timestamp the previous one was but background piano bla bla remove a note ok
- 08:42:645 (522645|2) - should be on the same line as the note in col 6 iirc from earlier in the map ok
Oh I finished holy fuck this has been looming for like forever in the back of my mind
But yeah, the timing still needs quite a bit of tweaking so I'm assuming uj is in charge of that; I'll find him in-game when I can.
v1 is the better modding system change my mind
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Topic Starter
Asherz007 wrote:
I still have a few concerns about that timing which I'll explain a little later, so pop for now until we figure this out.
Nearly 10 months since uj first came to ask...
Hey I'm here now, soz I died a lot, hope I ain't forgotten how to format v1 lol plz no kill me thx[General]
_uj tells me that the 4k diff is coming down to hp9.3, sweet
I remember the hitsounds annoying me a little when I first looked through a while back but has been fixed well enough... not much that can be done without full keysounding tbh so I ain't blame ya.
Barely getting by with those 101ms hitsounds lmao
There is a lot of wasted space on the audio file (frequency barely hits 14KHz, which does make 128kbps equally viable)... not really going to force you to do anything here since timing the damn thing was hard enough as is and reencoding might mess that up, just an fyi I guess
Also "Other" in tags, although it has been suggested, makes no sense in context/ isn't really that relevant since it can be applied to literally anything so you might as well remove it. Could add "diverse system" though since that was the label the album it was released under. ok
Side note shouldn't 07:35:695 have a hitsound (not really focussing on hs at all because it's piano whatever but this caught my eye a bit) fixd on both diffs4K Blossoming LilyMy general question is since you're considering this to be a "boss song" of sorts, where do you want the hardest part of the song to be? (for emphasis at least.)
05:50:330 is likely a lot more challenging because of the speed and reading difficulty (I feel like the jack emphasis might be a little overdone in places, I'll try and point out below), while 06:55:124 carries more weight with just pure jack speed. Personally, I feel as though the latter section is easier to do, and perhaps might be a little better to make it a little harder (likely through reading difficulty), or make the earlier section a fraction easier to read.tbh i can do nothing about that mainly because that first chordjack part is 18BPM faster than the 2nd part and its a lot more intensive, I removed some 3chords u mentioned below but still its impossible to make that second part harder unless i will remove half of the chordjacks in the first part but it will ruin intesity of song. Focusing on jackspeed was all i could too in the second part to make it hard as possible without doing stupid 3chordjacks
I don't know whether you'll want to do anything against this point of view, but I'll just put it out there and see what you think.
- 01:12:718 (72718|3,72843|2,72968|3) - if you're going for PR on the arpeggios, wouldn't this be a little better as 343? ok
- 03:09:919 (189919|2,189919|1) - I feel like a double here might be a little too much considering how quiet the bass piano note is (concept also feels a little bit inconsistently applied since it theoretically could also be put at 03:10:573 (190573|1,191226|2)). Same with 03:12:533. fixd
- 03:26:992 - just a forward notice that a few of the notes here could be a little more accurate, won't sort this out until the timing gets sorted
- 03:35:183 (215183|2,215237|3,215292|2) - this doesn't make much sense to have the OH trill here with the piano still ascending in pitch fixd
- 03:59:364 - out of all the places for reverse PR why here (ctrl+h is cool) ok
- 04:14:374 (254374|0,254374|3,254483|1,254483|2) - I get the emphasis bit here, but there's still only one piano note so it still doesn't make much sense fixd
- 05:53:901 (353901|3,353901|2,353901|0) - lacking a bass piano so idk why triple here (feels a little weird to me to represent varying emphases with the same size chord) fixd
- 05:54:972 (354972|0,354972|3,354972|2) - ^ (perhaps inconsistent emphasis here considering 05:54:080 is just a double) fixd
- 06:03:008 (363008|2,363008|3,363008|0,363097|2) - jack emphasis doesn't feel right here imo; could also be worth reducing that chord size by a note. Same with 06:20:038. fixd
- 06:10:569 - feels a little overlayered compared to the volume at 05:53:544 (especially with the lack of sustained piano here), might be worth reducing the triples (mentioned in 7k too woo)will keep it
- 06:18:605 (378605|3,378605|1,378605|0,378605|2) - lacks emphasis relative to 06:18:962, might be better as triple here fixd
- 06:31:692 (391692|2,391787|3) - might be worth swapping these two over (and consequently 04:19:993 (259993|2,260088|3) as well) since it kinda defeats the point of the PR here if 06:31:787 (391787|3,391930|3,392073|3) are in the same column fixd
- 06:49:383 (409383|3,409486|2,409486|0) - don't feel like these belong to anything (ghost) uj has these in his diff so gonna keep it atm
- 07:09:961 - p sure you could have a note here (has the same thing as 07:10:261 (430261|2) does basically) added
- 07:12:600 - why reverse PR again for something this long aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa fixd
- 07:48:590 (468590|3,468590|2,468590|0) - doesn't feel much different to chords before this, might be better as a double fixd
Topic Starter
updatedTidek wrote:
Asherz007 wrote:
I still have a few concerns about that timing which I'll explain a little later, so pop for now until we figure this out.
Nearly 10 months since uj first came to ask...
Hey I'm here now, soz I died a lot, hope I ain't forgotten how to format v1 lol plz no kill me thx[General]
_uj tells me that the 4k diff is coming down to hp9.3, sweet
I remember the hitsounds annoying me a little when I first looked through a while back but has been fixed well enough... not much that can be done without full keysounding tbh so I ain't blame ya.
Barely getting by with those 101ms hitsounds lmao
There is a lot of wasted space on the audio file (frequency barely hits 14KHz, which does make 128kbps equally viable)... not really going to force you to do anything here since timing the damn thing was hard enough as is and reencoding might mess that up, just an fyi I guess
Also "Other" in tags, although it has been suggested, makes no sense in context/ isn't really that relevant since it can be applied to literally anything so you might as well remove it. Could add "diverse system" though since that was the label the album it was released under. ok
Side note shouldn't 07:35:695 have a hitsound (not really focussing on hs at all because it's piano whatever but this caught my eye a bit) fixd on both diffs4K Blossoming LilyMy general question is since you're considering this to be a "boss song" of sorts, where do you want the hardest part of the song to be? (for emphasis at least.)
05:50:330 is likely a lot more challenging because of the speed and reading difficulty (I feel like the jack emphasis might be a little overdone in places, I'll try and point out below), while 06:55:124 carries more weight with just pure jack speed. Personally, I feel as though the latter section is easier to do, and perhaps might be a little better to make it a little harder (likely through reading difficulty), or make the earlier section a fraction easier to read.tbh i can do nothing about that mainly because that first chordjack part is 18BPM faster than the 2nd part and its a lot more intensive, I removed some 3chords u mentioned below but still its impossible to make that second part harder unless i will remove half of the chordjacks in the first part but it will ruin intesity of song. Focusing on jackspeed was all i could do in the second part to make it hard as possible without doing stupid 3chordjacks
I don't know whether you'll want to do anything against this point of view, but I'll just put it out there and see what you think.
- 01:12:718 (72718|3,72843|2,72968|3) - if you're going for PR on the arpeggios, wouldn't this be a little better as 343? ok
- 03:09:919 (189919|2,189919|1) - I feel like a double here might be a little too much considering how quiet the bass piano note is (concept also feels a little bit inconsistently applied since it theoretically could also be put at 03:10:573 (190573|1,191226|2)). Same with 03:12:533. fixd
- 03:26:992 - just a forward notice that a few of the notes here could be a little more accurate, won't sort this out until the timing gets sorted
- 03:35:183 (215183|2,215237|3,215292|2) - this doesn't make much sense to have the OH trill here with the piano still ascending in pitch fixd
- 03:59:364 - out of all the places for reverse PR why here (ctrl+h is cool) ok
- 04:14:374 (254374|0,254374|3,254483|1,254483|2) - I get the emphasis bit here, but there's still only one piano note so it still doesn't make much sense fixd
- 05:53:901 (353901|3,353901|2,353901|0) - lacking a bass piano so idk why triple here (feels a little weird to me to represent varying emphases with the same size chord) fixd
- 05:54:972 (354972|0,354972|3,354972|2) - ^ (perhaps inconsistent emphasis here considering 05:54:080 is just a double) fixd
- 06:03:008 (363008|2,363008|3,363008|0,363097|2) - jack emphasis doesn't feel right here imo; could also be worth reducing that chord size by a note. Same with 06:20:038. fixd
- 06:10:569 - feels a little overlayered compared to the volume at 05:53:544 (especially with the lack of sustained piano here), might be worth reducing the triples (mentioned in 7k too woo)will keep it
- 06:18:605 (378605|3,378605|1,378605|0,378605|2) - lacks emphasis relative to 06:18:962, might be better as triple here fixd
- 06:31:692 (391692|2,391787|3) - might be worth swapping these two over (and consequently 04:19:993 (259993|2,260088|3) as well) since it kinda defeats the point of the PR here if 06:31:787 (391787|3,391930|3,392073|3) are in the same column fixd
- 06:49:383 (409383|3,409486|2,409486|0) - don't feel like these belong to anything (ghost) uj has these in his diff so gonna keep it atm
- 07:09:961 - p sure you could have a note here (has the same thing as 07:10:261 (430261|2) does basically) added
- 07:12:600 - why reverse PR again for something this long aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa fixd
- 07:48:590 (468590|3,468590|2,468590|0) - doesn't feel much different to chords before this, might be better as a double fixd
Catherine the modding association bot rolled me a 100 for motivation today so I am back lmao, only a week after I said I would because I suck at time management by being busy playing other shit and watching soft4, oops
For piece of mind, I still think doubling the bpm (or in some cases multiplying by 3/2, since the starting bpm is 106.7 and would make more sense as 160) would be beneficial here since there are still beats going across the intended measures imo... also feels a little weird for the most "active" parts of the song to have 168 and 150.13(?) bpm when there's so much stuff going on.
Ok before I forget that snap thing, 03:27:263 (207263|1) should be at 03:27:281 to be on the 1/6, right? (06:47:693 (407693|1) is)
06:49:383 - @uj I think I missed this on your diff but I think this is a ghost and tidek is following what you're doing here so double check for me whether there should be anything here (had a quick chat with kawawa and mystic and they think that this is a ghost as well)
I believe that 06:49:521 may also be holding a ghost note; might be worth double checking this small bit.
Both of these do make sense for the fluid patterns, but it doesn't really that much from a "technical accuracy" standpoint.
[4k]
idk whether there was some interference in changing the timing but there are a couple of things that you mentioned you would fix but nothing seems to have happened
I really need to get back to people faster than this...
For piece of mind, I still think doubling the bpm (or in some cases multiplying by 3/2, since the starting bpm is 106.7 and would make more sense as 160) would be beneficial here since there are still beats going across the intended measures imo... also feels a little weird for the most "active" parts of the song to have 168 and 150.13(?) bpm when there's so much stuff going on.
Ok before I forget that snap thing, 03:27:263 (207263|1) should be at 03:27:281 to be on the 1/6, right? (06:47:693 (407693|1) is)
06:49:383 - @uj I think I missed this on your diff but I think this is a ghost and tidek is following what you're doing here so double check for me whether there should be anything here (had a quick chat with kawawa and mystic and they think that this is a ghost as well)
I believe that 06:49:521 may also be holding a ghost note; might be worth double checking this small bit.
Both of these do make sense for the fluid patterns, but it doesn't really that much from a "technical accuracy" standpoint.
[4k]
idk whether there was some interference in changing the timing but there are a couple of things that you mentioned you would fix but nothing seems to have happened
- 03:09:919 - are you sure you did something here? You said fixd but I don't see any difference
- 03:59:364 - did the flip happen bc I feel like it hasn't (and you did at 07:12:600)
- 04:11:543 - Hm, I do see your point. Alternatives look a little easier to read/play tbh, and I'm guessing that's not what you want. Give it a little more thought if you can, though there's not too much issue as is I guess.
- 05:35:714 - could potentially have the quad here for dat bass, up to you (I mentioned it last time, maybe not so clearly tho but up to you)
I really need to get back to people faster than this...
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the updated version of 7K diff including timing changes which are hopefully correct now lmao
the updated version of 7K diff including timing changes which are hopefully correct now lmao
Topic Starter
updated, everything should be fine now (idk why all the changes i did before were unsaved lol)
Just not sure about that note 06:49:521 will wait for confirmation.
Just not sure about that note 06:49:521 will wait for confirmation.
A couple more timing things then, nearly there.
Just now noticed, there are some black bars at the top and bottom of bg2; might be worth it to remove those (they are annoying me a little lol)
This should be the last thing so once this is settled I can give the chart a final once-over in case something's gone wrong and that should do it, fingers crossed.
Oh right, before I forget
Just now noticed, there are some black bars at the top and bottom of bg2; might be worth it to remove those (they are annoying me a little lol)
- 04:35:468 - should be 162bpm I reckon, should also remove the need for the meter reset at 04:37:678 I'm hoping
- 06:55:124 - Same as I explained for 05:50:330, feel like the intense(r) sections should have the bpm doubled, just forgot to mention this one as well oops
- 08:18:561 - I'm not entirely sure why only this measure is 174bpm when the rest are 172.125. (also idk about that .125 bit, desync becomes a little noticeable at the red lines later, hence... the red lines... later... I think you should be ok with just 172 until 08:49:943.)
This should be the last thing so once this is settled I can give the chart a final once-over in case something's gone wrong and that should do it, fingers crossed.
Oh right, before I forget
irc with uj last week
2019-04-20 15:24 _underjoy: :eyes:
2019-04-20 15:24 Asherz007: fucking hell you scared me
2019-04-20 15:24 _underjoy: oops
2019-04-20 15:24 _underjoy: sorry ;;
2019-04-20 15:24 Asherz007: literally just posted on the forum
2019-04-20 15:25 Asherz007: 2 seconds later
2019-04-20 15:25 Asherz007: :eyes:
2019-04-20 15:25 _underjoy: wow really
2019-04-20 15:25 Asherz007: haven't much else to say on stuff
2019-04-20 15:25 Asherz007: still reeing on timing tho
2019-04-20 15:25 _underjoy: omg you did
2019-04-20 15:26 Asherz007: mere coincidence then
2019-04-20 15:26 Asherz007: but holy fuck
2019-04-20 15:26 _underjoy: what would you change in timing then?
2019-04-20 15:26 _underjoy: because atm I think these points are really well timed
2019-04-20 15:26 _underjoy: is it the matter of cleaning up?
2019-04-20 15:27 Asherz007: true, they do function as they should for snapping
2019-04-20 15:27 Asherz007: but not really for the music theory stuff
2019-04-20 15:28 Asherz007: for example, imo the beginning section made a little more sense being 160bpm (likely that's what the artist used)
2019-04-20 15:28 _underjoy: ah so you mean the general bpm values
2019-04-20 15:28 Asherz007: basically
2019-04-20 15:28 _underjoy: hmm lets see
2019-04-20 15:28 Asherz007: nothing wrong with the timing itself, just the values used
2019-04-20 15:30 Asherz007: hence the rounding using the non-whole values has led to some minor desyncs which you corrected with extra red lines
2019-04-20 15:31 _underjoy: oh yeah that might be an issue
2019-04-20 15:31 _underjoy: however i have no idea how to correct these
2019-04-20 15:31 _underjoy: also many bpms feel perfectly right until a certain point when there's suddenly a 10+ ms change
2019-04-20 15:31 Asherz007: mmm I getcha
2019-04-20 15:33 Asherz007: the timing I sent last time was roughly following the preexisting red lines, just fixing numbers and removing any non-critical ones
2019-04-20 15:33 Asherz007: which didn't work as well as I'd hoped bc headphones r dumb lol
2019-04-20 15:33 _underjoy: i applied the first ghost btw, second is audible
2019-04-20 15:34 _underjoy: mhmm
2019-04-20 15:34 _underjoy: are there any changes I can apply straightaway without messing with exact values
2019-04-20 15:34 _underjoy: like x2 bpm or so
2019-04-20 15:35 Asherz007: 00:00:095 - should go to 160
2019-04-20 15:35 Asherz007: 01:07:593 - could use 240
2019-04-20 15:36 _underjoy: first note 160? from 106,7?
2019-04-20 15:36 Asherz007: mhm
2019-04-20 15:36 _underjoy: isn't that going to kill the timing
2019-04-20 15:36 Asherz007: x3/2
2019-04-20 15:37 Asherz007: Ideally that first timing point would have been 106.666... but rounding
2019-04-20 15:37 _underjoy: oh my god it really is 160
2019-04-20 15:37 _underjoy: 160.05
2019-04-20 15:37 Asherz007: 02:02:578 - has a similar situation where it might work a bit better with the section at 170bpm
2019-04-20 15:38 _underjoy: 171,75 is 3/2
2019-04-20 15:39 Asherz007: from there to like 02:34:334 - is a constant bpm
2019-04-20 15:39 Asherz007: just offsetting the desyncs with loads of red lines
2019-04-20 15:41 Asherz007: the 113.25bpm line afterwards x3/2 is 169.875
2019-04-20 15:41 Asherz007: which is basically 170
2019-04-20 15:42 _underjoy: I see
2019-04-20 15:42 _underjoy: okay so all 106,7 lines to 160,05
2019-04-20 15:42 _underjoy: 120 to 240
2019-04-20 15:43 _underjoy: and I'll check that 170
2019-04-20 15:43 Asherz007: I would see whether 160 works before using 160.05
2019-04-20 15:43 Asherz007: bc I have the feeling that it might
2019-04-20 15:46 Asherz007: another thing of the rounding would be I'm not sure whether 06:55:124 - should have the extra 0.13bpm on it
2019-04-20 15:48 _underjoy: okaty
2019-04-20 15:48 _underjoy: 160 works
2019-04-20 15:49 Asherz007: the extra bits of a bpm would suggest the red line needs to be moved a few ms generally
2019-04-20 15:51 Asherz007: all I did was change the numbers and round where necessary for the 6/8 feel
2019-04-20 15:51 _underjoy: checking the 170 rn
2019-04-20 15:52 _underjoy: 02:03:607 (123607|4) - this would have to be a grace then
2019-04-20 15:52 _underjoy: because this chord is somewhat synced in the previous bpm but clearly earlier in the 170
2019-04-20 15:53 Asherz007: it does feel very slightly graced
2019-04-20 15:55 _underjoy: hmmm
2019-04-20 15:55 _underjoy: the 170 generally feels fine
2019-04-20 15:55 _underjoy: some singular notes are off 5-10 ms
2019-04-20 15:55 _underjoy: but I think it's acceptable...
2019-04-20 15:56 Asherz007: I get the assumption that was deliberate perhaps
2019-04-20 15:56 _underjoy: if anything I can say it's just simplification
2019-04-20 15:56 Asherz007: lmao
2019-04-20 15:56 _underjoy: if anyone says hurr durr they're wrong
2019-04-20 15:58 Asherz007: from 02:58:937 - to like 04:14:592 - should really be one bpm since it more or less is
2019-04-20 15:58 Asherz007: would make sense at 276, given the multiplication going on
2019-04-20 15:59 _underjoy: 02:30:813 (150813|0) - making one of these a grace
2019-04-20 15:59 _underjoy: in 1/12 170
2019-04-20 15:59 Asherz007: ye
2019-04-20 15:59 Asherz007: definitely one of the notes is later than the other
2019-04-20 15:59 _underjoy: ok the 170 seems fine
2019-04-20 16:00 _underjoy: hmm the values suggest there's a middle constant bpm here
2019-04-20 16:00 _underjoy: but what would it be
2019-04-20 16:00 Asherz007: I tried these rough patches in the timing thing I sent on the forum but I couldn't check via the chart cus I screwed that up lol
2019-04-20 16:01 _underjoy: tbh the things that were mostly off in your version were in the second half
2019-04-20 16:01 Asherz007: figures lol
2019-04-20 16:01 _underjoy: thats when I started to get suspicious whether that's really right xdxd
2019-04-20 16:01 _underjoy: hmmmm
2019-04-20 16:01 Asherz007: too much shit going on for my headphones lol
2019-04-20 16:02 Asherz007: in which case, merging is also an option and we can figure out the values of stuff
2019-04-20 16:02 _underjoy: it looks like it oscillates around 138
2019-04-20 16:02 _underjoy: merging?
2019-04-20 16:02 _underjoy: oh right the two timing together
2019-04-20 16:02 Asherz007: yeah that
2019-04-20 16:03 Asherz007: most of the major ones should be correct, just the bits that slow down etc are really fucky to time quickly lol
2019-04-20 16:03 _underjoy: yep you used 276
2019-04-20 16:03 _underjoy: which is 138x2
2019-04-20 16:04 _underjoy: but well you're going with the high bpm with the earlier points as well
2019-04-20 16:04 Asherz007: 276 felt a little better for 6/8 so I used that
2019-04-20 16:04 Asherz007: else it would be 92 for a 2/2 feel
2019-04-20 16:04 _underjoy: fuckkkkk
2019-04-20 16:05 _underjoy: i switched diffs and didnt save
2019-04-20 16:05 Asherz007: oh no
2019-04-20 16:05 _underjoy: i guess thats a matter of resnapping though
2019-04-20 16:05 Asherz007: hopefully it should be ok
2019-04-20 16:08 _underjoy: okay give me a moment to resnap everything
2019-04-20 16:08 Asherz007: aight
2019-04-20 16:56 _underjoy: okay
2019-04-20 16:57 Asherz007: ok
2019-04-20 16:57 _underjoy: o i thought you went offline
2019-04-20 16:57 Asherz007: buggy submission time
2019-04-20 16:57 _underjoy: anyway I did fix the timing until 04:14:592 -
2019-04-20 16:58 _underjoy: i will multiply all of the lines before it by 2 that are low af
2019-04-20 16:58 _underjoy: about the 150.13, its actually .125
2019-04-20 16:58 Asherz007: rounding lul
2019-04-20 16:58 _underjoy: and i think it's needed since it goes around 20s or so and it's all on beat
2019-04-20 16:58 _underjoy: so removing this could cause it to go offsync
2019-04-20 17:00 Asherz007: hm
2019-04-20 17:01 Asherz007: I think
2019-04-20 17:02 Asherz007: that red lines later should come back to 07:09:527 - since it starts going off roughly here
2019-04-20 17:02 Asherz007: 150/300 seems to be fine up until there
2019-04-20 17:03 _underjoy: im not sure i follow
2019-04-20 17:03 Asherz007: ok, so you say that the extra .125bpm prevents the offsync from 06:55:124 - if I understand correctly
2019-04-20 17:04 _underjoy: yeah
2019-04-20 17:05 _underjoy: hmm actually I tested it and it seems minuscule enough
2019-04-20 17:05 Asherz007: I think that 150/300bpm would be fine until 07:09:512 - (or thereabouts), where a new red line would be a good idea since it starts to go offsync in this measure I reckon
2019-04-20 17:05 Asherz007: gradually getting a little faster
2019-04-20 17:09 _underjoy: 07:10:724 - added 159 bpm
2019-04-20 17:09 _underjoy: and it clicks
2019-04-20 17:09 _underjoy: the next line at 07:11:091 - is 10 ms off
2019-04-20 17:10 _underjoy: should I keep it
2019-04-20 17:10 Asherz007: 10 is relatively noticeable
2019-04-20 17:10 Asherz007: might be
2019-04-20 17:11 _underjoy: the former line is correct in terms of absolute timing
2019-04-20 17:11 _underjoy: the added line makes everything until that line correct as well
2019-04-20 17:11 Asherz007: then I would keep it
2019-04-20 17:12 _underjoy: oki
2019-04-20 17:13 Asherz007: most of these I reckon should sort themselves out with the rounding issues addressed
2019-04-20 17:14 _underjoy: im looking in the editor but there's no more sketchy bpm
2019-04-20 17:14 _underjoy: your timing has a bit less lines
2019-04-20 17:14 _underjoy: but im not sure if i should change them
2019-04-20 17:16 Asherz007: yeah it was just to optimise a little more because "free snapping" is a little easier with the beat divisions having few ms between each one
2019-04-20 17:16 Asherz007: the idea was something along those lines I think
2019-04-20 17:17 _underjoy: -along those lines-
2019-04-20 17:17 _underjoy: nice
2019-04-20 17:17 Asherz007: lol
2019-04-20 17:17 Asherz007: if they weren't absolutely necessary, I tried to remove them
2019-04-20 17:18 _underjoy: im afraid that if I try to reduce these ending lines i might mess something up a bit
2019-04-20 17:19 Asherz007: If you're worried then just multiply the bpm of stuff, not a big deal when the bpm moves about so much
2019-04-20 17:20 _underjoy: yeah I'm going to do that anyway
2019-04-20 17:20 _underjoy: hmmm
2019-04-20 17:20 Asherz007: since we don't know the definitive values as long as it's accurate it should be ok
2019-04-20 17:20 _underjoy: i'll see what you did because idk if multiplying everything is needed
2019-04-20 17:20 _underjoy: ok you multipled almost everything
2019-04-20 17:21 Asherz007: lol yeah
2019-04-20 17:35 _underjoy: OK
2019-04-20 17:35 _underjoy: i think im done
2019-04-20 17:35 _underjoy: phew
2019-04-20 17:35 Asherz007: phew
2019-04-20 17:35 Asherz007: If it needs anything more I'll let you know and vice versa and I'll probs poke mystic again for checking that everything's ok
2019-04-20 17:38 _underjoy: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pt1aciunhxhqmwa/sakuzyo%20-%20Suiren%20%28Tidek%29%20%5B7K%20Fairy%20Dance%5D.osu?dl=0 here's the .osu if you want to see the timing by yourself
2019-04-20 17:38 _underjoy: and what I've done
2019-04-20 17:38 _underjoy: I'll send that to Tidek so that he can apply his diff
2019-04-20 17:40 Asherz007: hmm
2019-04-20 17:40 Asherz007: I think my main issue would be how the peak of the music has a lower bpm than the calmer bits lol
2019-04-20 17:40 Asherz007: makes sense to double those for the consistency
2019-04-20 17:41 _underjoy: which ones?
2019-04-20 17:41 _underjoy: the 150 one?
2019-04-20 17:41 Asherz007: yeah those ones
2019-04-20 17:43 Asherz007: 06:22:385 - and such would be 3/2 (the beats are going across the piano which probably shouldn't happen)
2019-04-20 17:45 _underjoy: hmm i think i shouldnt go 330 but 160ish instead
2019-04-20 17:45 Asherz007: hmm
2019-04-20 17:46 Asherz007: side note while I still remember
2019-04-20 17:46 Asherz007: 08:18:561 - etc should really be x3/2 to be consistent with earlier
2019-04-20 17:47 Asherz007: beyond 08:49:943 - can stay as is
2019-04-20 17:49 Asherz007: the 160 still holds the initial issue which I popped for
2019-04-20 17:50 _underjoy: the first note?
2019-04-20 17:50 Asherz007: uh
2019-04-20 17:50 Asherz007: 168
2019-04-20 18:03 _underjoy: what's up with 168
2019-04-20 18:03 Asherz007: makes more sense now as 336
2019-04-20 18:10 _underjoy: okay
2019-04-20 18:11 _underjoy: i applied everything what you just said
2019-04-20 18:11 _underjoy: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pt1aciunhxhqmwa/sakuzyo%20-%20Suiren%20%28Tidek%29%20%5B7K%20Fairy%20Dance%5D.osu?dl=0
2019-04-20 18:22 _underjoy: my pc crashed please save log
Asherz007 wrote:
A couple more timing things then, nearly there.
Just now noticed, there are some black bars at the top and bottom of bg2; might be worth it to remove those (they are annoying me a little lol)
- 04:35:468 - should be 162bpm I reckon, should also remove the need for the meter reset at 04:37:678 I'm hoping That's right
- 06:55:124 - Same as I explained for 05:50:330, feel like the intense(r) sections should have the bpm doubled, just forgot to mention this one as well oops Done
- 08:18:561 - I'm not entirely sure why only this measure is 174bpm when the rest are 172.125. (also idk about that .125 bit, desync becomes a little noticeable at the red lines later, hence... the red lines... later... I think you should be ok with just 172 until 08:49:943.) I remade the whole section to 172. The first [57] chord snap was moved to 1/12 earlier, and I moved 08:49:956 -
13 ms later from 943.
Here's the updated 7K diff:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pt1aciunhxhqmwa/sakuzyo%20-%20Suiren%20%28Tidek%29%20%5B7K%20Fairy%20Dance%5D.osu?dl=0
I feel like we're getting closer and closer...
Topic Starter
fixd bg in underjoy diff and updated timings. Can we finally make it happen 
👀👀
I think we can make it happen. Let's get this going again then, shall we?
Ok mystic, you can stop ogling and do something now
If there are any changes that you want to make in the meantime, let mystic know before he nominates. (If it's timing-related, you'd need to let me know as well but I doubt that it will need to be changed any more; it functions well enough as it is and I don't get tilted at it anymore lmao)
Ok mystic, you can stop ogling and do something now
If there are any changes that you want to make in the meantime, let mystic know before he nominates. (If it's timing-related, you'd need to let me know as well but I doubt that it will need to be changed any more; it functions well enough as it is and I don't get tilted at it anymore lmao)
Well it's been one hell of a long road, but I think Suiren's journey will hopefully be over soon
Qualified <3
(edit talked to tidek and he confirmed that he was fine with the way the map currently is)
Qualified <3
(edit talked to tidek and he confirmed that he was fine with the way the map currently is)
Topic Starter
Finally. Thanks underjoy, Mystic and Asherz for big help with this!
Snapping Police appearing!
Hello. Guess we have a little problem in your Map. I found some inconsistency in snapping between the two difficulties.
02:37:591 (157591|2,157675|1) - These two notes have a different snapping than the 7K. Please use the 7K one because that would be correct then.
02:37:862 (157862|1,157862|0,157862|3) - These notes are wrong snapped. You probably changed the timing at some point and you haven't re-snapped these notes. Move them a little up to snap them to the new timing point
03:30:163 (210163|0) - Another inconsistency. Seems this note must be up to the next 1/4 line, like the 7K did
04:16:810 - here we have a liiiiiittle problem in the 7K. The Notes are not snapped correctly to the new tiiming point. Move them a little bit to snap them
04:18:249 - problem in the 7K. Again wrongly snapped notes. Move them to the timing the 4K has.
04:19:993 - The same thing here.
Guess that's all. But even when checking it super carefully i can not guarantee to 100% that everything is correct now. Please re-check it at least twice by yourself again to make sure that there won't be any inconsistency anymore.
Also for the BNs who will re-qualify this: Twice checking with reference to the other difficulty!
Hello. Guess we have a little problem in your Map. I found some inconsistency in snapping between the two difficulties.
02:37:591 (157591|2,157675|1) - These two notes have a different snapping than the 7K. Please use the 7K one because that would be correct then.
02:37:862 (157862|1,157862|0,157862|3) - These notes are wrong snapped. You probably changed the timing at some point and you haven't re-snapped these notes. Move them a little up to snap them to the new timing point
03:30:163 (210163|0) - Another inconsistency. Seems this note must be up to the next 1/4 line, like the 7K did
04:16:810 - here we have a liiiiiittle problem in the 7K. The Notes are not snapped correctly to the new tiiming point. Move them a little bit to snap them
04:18:249 - problem in the 7K. Again wrongly snapped notes. Move them to the timing the 4K has.
04:19:993 - The same thing here.
Guess that's all. But even when checking it super carefully i can not guarantee to 100% that everything is correct now. Please re-check it at least twice by yourself again to make sure that there won't be any inconsistency anymore.
Also for the BNs who will re-qualify this: Twice checking with reference to the other difficulty!
*hi v1