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1. 01:12:718 (72718|3,72843|2,72968|3) - if you're going for PR on the arpeggios, wouldn't this be a little better as 343?
2. 03:09:919 (189919|2,189919|1) - I feel like a double here might be a little too much considering how quiet the bass piano note is (concept also feels a little bit inconsistently applied since it theoretically could also be put at 03:10:573 (190573|1,191226|2)). Same with 03:12:533.
3. 03:26:992 - just a forward notice that a few of the notes here could be a little more accurate, won't sort this out until the timing gets sorted
4. 03:35:183 (215183|2,215237|3,215292|2) - this doesn't make much sense to have the OH trill here with the piano still ascending in pitch
5. 03:59:364 - out of all the places for reverse PR why here (ctrl+h is cool)
6. 04:14:374 (254374|0,254374|3,254483|1,254483|2) - I get the emphasis bit here, but there's still only one piano note so it still doesn't make much sense
7. 05:53:901 (353901|3,353901|2,353901|0) - lacking a bass piano so idk why triple here (feels a little weird to me to represent varying emphases with the same size chord)
8. 05:54:972 (354972|0,354972|3,354972|2) - ^ (perhaps inconsistent emphasis here considering 05:54:080 is just a double)
9. 06:03:008 (363008|2,363008|3,363008|0,363097|2) - jack emphasis doesn't feel right here imo; could also be worth reducing that chord size by a note. Same with 06:20:038.
10. 06:10:569 - feels a little overlayered compared to the volume at 05:53:544 (especially with the lack of sustained piano here), might be worth reducing the triples (mentioned in 7k too woo)
11. 06:18:605 (378605|3,378605|1,378605|0,378605|2) - lacks emphasis relative to 06:18:962, might be better as triple here
12. 06:31:692 (391692|2,391787|3) - might be worth swapping these two over (and consequently 04:19:993 (259993|2,260088|3) as well) since it kinda defeats the point of the PR here if 06:31:787 (391787|3,391930|3,392073|3) are in the same column
13. 06:49:383 (409383|3,409486|2,409486|0) - don't feel like these belong to anything (ghost)
14. 07:09:961 - p sure you could have a note here (has the same thing as 07:10:261 (430261|2) does basically)
15. 07:12:600 - why reverse PR again for something this long aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
16. 07:48:590 (468590|3,468590|2,468590|0) - doesn't feel much different to chords before this, might be better as a double

1. 01:47:426 (107426|4,107426|1,107509|6,107509|2) - surely these should just be singles since they're part of the countermelody (which shouldn't really get that much emphasis), unlike 01:45:343 etc. (also inconsistent with 01:48:176 (108176|4,108259|2) which does the same thing)
2. 01:50:843 (110843|4) - feel like this should have one more note here since the last chord has 4 (same for next groups)
3. 01:52:093 - Chord is slightly different; could do [2357] (01:55:136 also has the same difference)
4. 01:58:968 - might be worth an extra note in col 7?
5. 02:27:961 (147961|2,147961|1,147985|4) - tiny thing about the bass piano only having one note but being very loud, whilst in the higher register there are like 4 or 5 notes but all generally quieter... tbh I'd go 2 and [56] here
6. 02:33:282 - a bit too similar to the previous chord despite being quite different in pitch; relative terms it's closer than the other chords so [2345] is a viable option here if there's nothing else you wanna try
7. 02:39:178 - feel like the representation of the lower register piano is missing here perhaps at...
   
   1. 02:39:178 - col 3
   2. 02:41:787 - col 2
   3. 02:49:613 - col 3
   4. 02:52:221 - col 2
   Might also be worth moving 02:43:091 (163091|1) to col 1 for sanity's/PR sake. (Same for 03:38:277 as such)
8. 03:27:751 (207751|6,210355|6) - looks maybe a little weird to have these two notes in the same column considering the pitch difference
9. 04:00:994 - has an inconsistent chord size with 03:58:386
10. 04:11:543 (251543|6,251615|5,251760|4,251833|3,251978|6,252051|5,252196|4,252268|3,252414|6,252486|5,252631|4,252704|3) - might be worth getting this broken roll moving left across the columns a little sooner
11. 05:13:992 - groups of 3 start here (05:15:901 (315901|0,315992|1,316082|3,316082|2) this thing); runningman only works over the 3-group because of the lack of chords I reckon, puts emphasis in weird places otherwise. By all means, keep the pattern roughly the same, but change chord placements.
12. 05:18:255 - chord allocation, namely of triples, seems a little shaky/inconsistent, in that I can't determine a pattern, and there definitely should be one, given the repetitive nature of the piano here. 05:19:238 (319238|3) and 05:20:714 (320714|3) seem to be the offending notes.
13. 05:30:304 - Are you sure you want triples every 1/2 now (instead of 1/1 like earlier); the triples at 05:31:287 etc. feel like change enough to me. If anything, keep it for after 05:35:959 to have two small changes to the structure rather than one relatively large one.
14. 05:35:795 (335795|3,335795|5,335795|1,335877|2,335877|4,335877|6) - Given the volume (and against the pattern I know), triples feel like a little too much here tbh; could have a quad at 05:35:714 instead? (4224 chord sizes, more similar to 4k)
15. 05:40:222 (340222|5,340222|2,340222|1,340304|4,340304|3,340304|0) - similar to ^ the piano is basically trailing off here before the 1/1
16. 05:40:714 (340714|5,340714|1,340795|2,340795|6) - perhaps a missed opportunity for triples here (and 05:41:205 (341205|1,341205|3,341287|4,341287|2)), especially with 05:41:615 having all triples
17. 05:43:530 - PR properly dammit (1243 2354 etc or smth)
18. 05:50:099 (350099|0,350099|4,350099|6,350099|2) - ya missin hitsounds on this chord
19. 05:55:330 - Mayyyyybe that lower piano note could give this chord an extra note?
20. 05:56:490 (356490|2,356490|4) - why this is a different chord size to 05:56:312 is beyond me; besides, definitely feel like there should be a note in col 7 here
21. 05:57:562 - literally ^ again (the main piano is still moving and not quietly either)
22. 06:10:569 - feels a little overlayered compared to the volume at 05:53:544 (especially with the lack of sustained piano here), might be worth reducing the triples (4k does the same thing so the same point has been raised there)
23. 06:12:087 (372087|2,372176|2) - jack feels a little out of place for emphasis compared to what else it's used for in this section
24. 06:13:515 (373515|4,373515|6) - deja vu, I've been in this place before lalala~ can we have another note in the chord please?~
25. 06:14:587 - ^
26. 06:37:270 (397270|5,397270|3) - inconsistent to be just 2 notes here
27. 06:55:124 - feels like triple allocation feels a little off again. My guess is that the extra note comes with the presence of piano in the lower register, at least for the beginning of the section: (heck if I'm right but I'm not going to over-analyze this so if I'm not right, explain so my brain doesn't explode)
    
    1. 06:55:623 - should be an extra note here
    2. 06:57:022 (417022|1,417222|1) - not here
    3. 06:58:421 (418421|5,418421|3,418421|1) - not really any bass-y stuff here either
28. 07:04:016 (424016|2,424116|2) - since there isn't really any other pitch thing that remains the same, I'd just keep to the RH longjack here
29. 07:07:114 - 3 in the chord undersells this a little bit (especially with 07:07:713)
30. 07:56:124 - I can't remember the timestamp the previous one was but background piano bla bla remove a note
31. 08:42:645 (522645|2) - should be on the same line as the note in col 6 iirc from earlier in the map

2019-04-20 15:24 _underjoy: :eyes:

2019-04-20 15:24 Asherz007: fucking hell you scared me

2019-04-20 15:24 _underjoy: oops

2019-04-20 15:24 _underjoy: sorry ;;

2019-04-20 15:24 Asherz007: literally just posted on the forum

2019-04-20 15:25 Asherz007: 2 seconds later

2019-04-20 15:25 Asherz007: :eyes:

2019-04-20 15:25 _underjoy: wow really

2019-04-20 15:25 Asherz007: haven't much else to say on stuff

2019-04-20 15:25 Asherz007: still reeing on timing tho

2019-04-20 15:25 _underjoy: omg you did

2019-04-20 15:26 Asherz007: mere coincidence then

2019-04-20 15:26 Asherz007: but holy fuck

2019-04-20 15:26 _underjoy: what would you change in timing then?

2019-04-20 15:26 _underjoy: because atm I think these points are really well timed

2019-04-20 15:26 _underjoy: is it the matter of cleaning up?

2019-04-20 15:27 Asherz007: true, they do function as they should for snapping

2019-04-20 15:27 Asherz007: but not really for the music theory stuff

2019-04-20 15:28 Asherz007: for example, imo the beginning section made a little more sense being 160bpm (likely that's what the artist used)

2019-04-20 15:28 _underjoy: ah so you mean the general bpm values

2019-04-20 15:28 Asherz007: basically

2019-04-20 15:28 _underjoy: hmm lets see

2019-04-20 15:28 Asherz007: nothing wrong with the timing itself, just the values used

2019-04-20 15:30 Asherz007: hence the rounding using the non-whole values has led to some minor desyncs which you corrected with extra red lines

2019-04-20 15:31 _underjoy: oh yeah that might be an issue

2019-04-20 15:31 _underjoy: however i have no idea how to correct these

2019-04-20 15:31 _underjoy: also many bpms feel perfectly right until a certain point when there's suddenly a 10+ ms change

2019-04-20 15:31 Asherz007: mmm I getcha

2019-04-20 15:33 Asherz007: the timing I sent last time was roughly following the preexisting red lines, just fixing numbers and removing any non-critical ones

2019-04-20 15:33 Asherz007: which didn't work as well as I'd hoped bc headphones r dumb lol

2019-04-20 15:33 _underjoy: i applied the first ghost btw, second is audible

2019-04-20 15:34 _underjoy: mhmm

2019-04-20 15:34 _underjoy: are there any changes I can apply straightaway without messing with exact values

2019-04-20 15:34 _underjoy: like x2 bpm or so

2019-04-20 15:35 Asherz007: 00:00:095 - should go to 160

2019-04-20 15:35 Asherz007: 01:07:593 - could use 240

2019-04-20 15:36 _underjoy: first note 160? from 106,7?

2019-04-20 15:36 Asherz007: mhm

2019-04-20 15:36 _underjoy: isn't that going to kill the timing

2019-04-20 15:36 Asherz007: x3/2

2019-04-20 15:37 Asherz007: Ideally that first timing point would have been 106.666... but rounding

2019-04-20 15:37 _underjoy: oh my god it really is 160

2019-04-20 15:37 _underjoy: 160.05

2019-04-20 15:37 Asherz007: 02:02:578 - has a similar situation where it might work a bit better with the section at 170bpm

2019-04-20 15:38 _underjoy: 171,75 is 3/2

2019-04-20 15:39 Asherz007: from there to like 02:34:334 - is a constant bpm

2019-04-20 15:39 Asherz007: just offsetting the desyncs with loads of red lines

2019-04-20 15:41 Asherz007: the 113.25bpm line afterwards x3/2 is 169.875

2019-04-20 15:41 Asherz007: which is basically 170

2019-04-20 15:42 _underjoy: I see

2019-04-20 15:42 _underjoy: okay so all 106,7 lines to 160,05

2019-04-20 15:42 _underjoy: 120 to 240

2019-04-20 15:43 _underjoy: and I'll check that 170

2019-04-20 15:43 Asherz007: I would see whether 160 works before using 160.05

2019-04-20 15:43 Asherz007: bc I have the feeling that it might

2019-04-20 15:46 Asherz007: another thing of the rounding would be I'm not sure whether 06:55:124 - should have the extra 0.13bpm on it

2019-04-20 15:48 _underjoy: okaty

2019-04-20 15:48 _underjoy: 160 works

2019-04-20 15:49 Asherz007: the extra bits of a bpm would suggest the red line needs to be moved a few ms generally

2019-04-20 15:51 Asherz007: all I did was change the numbers and round where necessary for the 6/8 feel

2019-04-20 15:51 _underjoy: checking the 170 rn

2019-04-20 15:52 _underjoy: 02:03:607 (123607|4) - this would have to be a grace then

2019-04-20 15:52 _underjoy: because this chord is somewhat synced in the previous bpm but clearly earlier in the 170

2019-04-20 15:53 Asherz007: it does feel very slightly graced

2019-04-20 15:55 _underjoy: hmmm

2019-04-20 15:55 _underjoy: the 170 generally feels fine

2019-04-20 15:55 _underjoy: some singular notes are off 5-10 ms

2019-04-20 15:55 _underjoy: but I think it's acceptable...

2019-04-20 15:56 Asherz007: I get the assumption that was deliberate perhaps

2019-04-20 15:56 _underjoy: if anything I can say it's just simplification 

2019-04-20 15:56 Asherz007: lmao

2019-04-20 15:56 _underjoy: if anyone says hurr durr they're wrong

2019-04-20 15:58 Asherz007: from 02:58:937 - to like 04:14:592 - should really be one bpm since it more or less is

2019-04-20 15:58 Asherz007: would make sense at 276, given the multiplication going on

2019-04-20 15:59 _underjoy: 02:30:813 (150813|0) - making one of these a grace

2019-04-20 15:59 _underjoy: in 1/12 170

2019-04-20 15:59 Asherz007: ye

2019-04-20 15:59 Asherz007: definitely one of the notes is later than the other

2019-04-20 15:59 _underjoy: ok the 170 seems fine

2019-04-20 16:00 _underjoy: hmm the values suggest there's a middle constant bpm here

2019-04-20 16:00 _underjoy: but what would it be

2019-04-20 16:00 Asherz007: I tried these rough patches in the timing thing I sent on the forum but I couldn't check via the chart cus I screwed that up lol

2019-04-20 16:01 _underjoy: tbh the things that were mostly off in your version were in the second half

2019-04-20 16:01 Asherz007: figures lol

2019-04-20 16:01 _underjoy: thats when I started to get suspicious whether that's really right xdxd

2019-04-20 16:01 _underjoy: hmmmm

2019-04-20 16:01 Asherz007: too much shit going on for my headphones lol

2019-04-20 16:02 Asherz007: in which case, merging is also an option and we can figure out the values of stuff

2019-04-20 16:02 _underjoy: it looks like it oscillates around 138

2019-04-20 16:02 _underjoy: merging?

2019-04-20 16:02 _underjoy: oh right the two timing together

2019-04-20 16:02 Asherz007: yeah that

2019-04-20 16:03 Asherz007: most of the major ones should be correct, just the bits that slow down etc are really fucky to time quickly lol

2019-04-20 16:03 _underjoy: yep you used 276

2019-04-20 16:03 _underjoy: which is 138x2

2019-04-20 16:04 _underjoy: but well you're going with the high bpm with the earlier points as well

2019-04-20 16:04 Asherz007: 276 felt a little better for 6/8 so I used that

2019-04-20 16:04 Asherz007: else it would be 92 for a 2/2 feel

2019-04-20 16:04 _underjoy: fuckkkkk

2019-04-20 16:05 _underjoy: i switched diffs and didnt save

2019-04-20 16:05 Asherz007: oh no

2019-04-20 16:05 _underjoy: i guess thats a matter of resnapping though

2019-04-20 16:05 Asherz007: hopefully it should be ok

2019-04-20 16:08 _underjoy: okay give me a moment to resnap everything

2019-04-20 16:08 Asherz007: aight

2019-04-20 16:56 _underjoy: okay

2019-04-20 16:57 Asherz007: ok

2019-04-20 16:57 _underjoy: o i thought you went offline

2019-04-20 16:57 Asherz007: buggy submission time

2019-04-20 16:57 _underjoy: anyway I did fix the timing until 04:14:592 -

2019-04-20 16:58 _underjoy: i will multiply all of the lines before it by 2 that are low af

2019-04-20 16:58 _underjoy: about the 150.13, its actually .125

2019-04-20 16:58 Asherz007: rounding lul

2019-04-20 16:58 _underjoy: and i think it's needed since it goes around 20s or so and it's all on beat

2019-04-20 16:58 _underjoy: so removing this could cause it to go offsync

2019-04-20 17:00 Asherz007: hm

2019-04-20 17:01 Asherz007: I think

2019-04-20 17:02 Asherz007: that red lines later should come back to 07:09:527 - since it starts going off roughly here

2019-04-20 17:02 Asherz007: 150/300 seems to be fine up until there

2019-04-20 17:03 _underjoy: im not sure i follow

2019-04-20 17:03 Asherz007: ok, so you say that the extra .125bpm prevents the offsync from 06:55:124 - if I understand correctly

2019-04-20 17:04 _underjoy: yeah

2019-04-20 17:05 _underjoy: hmm actually I tested it and it seems minuscule enough

2019-04-20 17:05 Asherz007: I think that 150/300bpm would be fine until 07:09:512 - (or thereabouts), where a new red line would be a good idea since it starts to go offsync in this measure I reckon

2019-04-20 17:05 Asherz007: gradually getting a little faster

2019-04-20 17:09 _underjoy: 07:10:724 - added 159 bpm

2019-04-20 17:09 _underjoy: and it clicks

2019-04-20 17:09 _underjoy: the next line at 07:11:091 - is 10 ms off

2019-04-20 17:10 _underjoy: should I keep it

2019-04-20 17:10 Asherz007: 10 is relatively noticeable

2019-04-20 17:10 Asherz007: might be

2019-04-20 17:11 _underjoy: the former line is correct in terms of absolute timing

2019-04-20 17:11 _underjoy: the added line makes everything until that line correct as well

2019-04-20 17:11 Asherz007: then I would keep it

2019-04-20 17:12 _underjoy: oki

2019-04-20 17:13 Asherz007: most of these I reckon should sort themselves out with the rounding issues addressed

2019-04-20 17:14 _underjoy: im looking in the editor but there's no more sketchy bpm

2019-04-20 17:14 _underjoy: your timing has a bit less lines

2019-04-20 17:14 _underjoy: but im not sure if i should change them

2019-04-20 17:16 Asherz007: yeah it was just to optimise a little more because "free snapping" is a little easier with the beat divisions having few ms between each one

2019-04-20 17:16 Asherz007: the idea was something along those lines I think

2019-04-20 17:17 _underjoy: -along those lines-

2019-04-20 17:17 _underjoy: nice

2019-04-20 17:17 Asherz007: lol

2019-04-20 17:17 Asherz007: if they weren't absolutely necessary, I tried to remove them

2019-04-20 17:18 _underjoy: im afraid that if I try to reduce these ending lines i might mess something up a bit

2019-04-20 17:19 Asherz007: If you're worried then just multiply the bpm of stuff, not a big deal when the bpm moves about so much

2019-04-20 17:20 _underjoy: yeah I'm going to do that anyway

2019-04-20 17:20 _underjoy: hmmm

2019-04-20 17:20 Asherz007: since we don't know the definitive values as long as it's accurate it should be ok

2019-04-20 17:20 _underjoy: i'll see what you did because idk if multiplying everything is needed

2019-04-20 17:20 _underjoy: ok you multipled almost everything

2019-04-20 17:21 Asherz007: lol yeah

2019-04-20 17:35 _underjoy: OK

2019-04-20 17:35 _underjoy: i think im done

2019-04-20 17:35 _underjoy: phew

2019-04-20 17:35 Asherz007: phew

2019-04-20 17:35 Asherz007: If it needs anything more I'll let you know and vice versa and I'll probs poke mystic again for checking that everything's ok

2019-04-20 17:38 _underjoy: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pt1aciunhxhqmwa/sakuzyo%20-%20Suiren%20%28Tidek%29%20%5B7K%20Fairy%20Dance%5D.osu?dl=0 here's the .osu if you want to see the timing by yourself

2019-04-20 17:38 _underjoy: and what I've done

2019-04-20 17:38 _underjoy: I'll send that to Tidek so that he can apply his diff

2019-04-20 17:40 Asherz007: hmm

2019-04-20 17:40 Asherz007: I think my main issue would be how the peak of the music has a lower bpm than the calmer bits lol

2019-04-20 17:40 Asherz007: makes sense to double those for the consistency

2019-04-20 17:41 _underjoy: which ones?

2019-04-20 17:41 _underjoy: the 150 one?

2019-04-20 17:41 Asherz007: yeah those ones

2019-04-20 17:43 Asherz007: 06:22:385 - and such would be 3/2 (the beats are going across the piano which probably shouldn't happen)

2019-04-20 17:45 _underjoy: hmm i think i shouldnt go 330 but 160ish instead

2019-04-20 17:45 Asherz007: hmm

2019-04-20 17:46 Asherz007: side note while I still remember

2019-04-20 17:46 Asherz007: 08:18:561 - etc should really be x3/2 to be consistent with earlier

2019-04-20 17:47 Asherz007: beyond 08:49:943 - can stay as is

2019-04-20 17:49 Asherz007: the 160 still holds the initial issue which I popped for

2019-04-20 17:50 _underjoy: the first note?

2019-04-20 17:50 Asherz007: uh

2019-04-20 17:50 Asherz007: 168

2019-04-20 18:03 _underjoy: what's up with 168

2019-04-20 18:03 Asherz007: makes more sense now as 336

2019-04-20 18:10 _underjoy: okay

2019-04-20 18:11 _underjoy: i applied everything what you just said

2019-04-20 18:11 _underjoy: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pt1aciunhxhqmwa/sakuzyo%20-%20Suiren%20%28Tidek%29%20%5B7K%20Fairy%20Dance%5D.osu?dl=0

2019-04-20 18:22 _underjoy: my pc crashed please save log