Diao ye zong feat. Meramipop - The Anonymous · forum

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-10-23T21:07:04+00:00

tick 2 really sucks for the intro since you get ticks on things like 00:02:360 - which is ??
same for parts like 02:11:813 (1) -
would just go with 1 or maybe silence ticks instead of slides (can't do both sadly) in these and similar parts

kocari
00:20:443 (3) - rhythm choice is weird here since you ignore the blue tick emphasis. I think something like https://i.imgur.com/FIoIusw.jpg would be great
00:23:730 (3,4,5) - also simplifies blue tick stuff too much imo
00:28:354 - don't get this at all, 1/2 rhythm would make so much more sense with the song

kin
01:08:011 (3) - what is this even mapping everything is on white tick after it

asaiga
01:38:936 (1,2,3) - this feels so incoherent with itself since the shapes don't feel like they belong together, I think using similar ideas for each slider (like curvature), for example: https://streamable.com/ehawm
for the chorus I think you could make it a bit more interesting by simplifying it a bit less. what I mean:
look at 01:44:176 (2,3) - 01:44:586 (4,5) - both only map a vocal on the sliderhead, fine
but then 01:44:895 (6,7) - has two, so differentiation it by doing something like https://i.imgur.com/TRyGR05.jpg would be great
same for things like 01:46:539 (6,7) - etc.
the normal whistles in chorus seemed a bit weird as they happen so rarely, I don't think that works well tbh, using them more frequently or not using them would probably be better

04:10:169 (1,2) - why not +sv since they stand out a lot? you could even make them 1/8 imo
04:29:073 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ... you never used such harsh stream angles before, don't suddenly put them 5min into the map :/
04:33:182 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - feels so lacking, why not higher sv to reflect the raised vocal intensity better
04:55:169 (4,1) - transition into stream is a bit lol visually, would be nice if slider lead into it like https://i.imgur.com/2rlNGU6.jpg
04:55:991 (5,6) - why such a harsh angle, something like 04:58:148 (4,1) - would be nicer imo
05:00:169 (4) - 2 circles so you can map cymbal wold be neat
05:03:997 - 15% green line

karen
03:14:997 (6) - isn't this like 1/6 earlier or something, sounds late at least
03:28:662 (1,2,3,4) - where's the 1/8 sliderstream

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sliderticks and the chorus spacing stuff are kinda important to me, feel free to call me back if you addressed those

Karen

2,860 posts

Joined August 2013

Karen 2017-10-25T08:49:05+00:00

PandaHero wrote:
[Karen]
02:22:086 (3,4,5,6) - it sounds pretty similar to other piano sounds here, try to make two 1/4 sliders instead of notes? the circles are also for emphasizing 02:22:497 (1,2,3,4) - these sliders, too many sliders would be too spammy
02:29:381 - what about to make one more slider for this guitar sound? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9009346 i like the sudden break
02:32:669 (5) - why you use soooo big spacing here? This place looks similar to 02:38:936 (4,5), but distance on the timeline between 4 and 5 in first case are smaller than in second case, so people can just missread it

That's all from me, take my star~

IceKalt wrote:
o/

[Neraidaphobia]

- 02:31:950 (2,3,4,5) - i need to disagree with the rythm choice here cause the music dont give me that much note density you're right but the background has some weird sound orz
- 03:02:360 (1,2,3,4) - you an do that nicer ~
- 03:18:799 (3,4,5,6,1) - idk if the curve is intentional like (that (3) is sticking out a bit)
- 03:27:326 (4,1) - maybe higher DS here - it would fit pretty much to the intense drum on (1) and you are doing this very often anyway (for example 01:28:970 (4,1) - (there are much more))

Lasse wrote:
karen
03:14:997 (6) - isn't this like 1/6 earlier or something, sounds late at least how is it mappable if it's 1/6 :thinking: 1/4 is acceptable imo
03:28:662 (1,2,3,4) - where's the 1/8 sliderstream other collab parts are all simple patterns so i'd like to avoid those strange stuff

Thanks!

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Asaiga

848 posts

Joined July 2013

Topic Starter

Asaiga 2017-10-25T19:34:23+00:00

IceKalt wrote:
o/

[Neraidaphobia]

- 00:29:792 (8) - mssing hitsound? nah
- 01:35:237 (7,2) - stack bug moved
- 03:45:511 (1,2,3,4,5) - (suggestion) - a bit symmetry would fit very well here (03:45:511 (1,2,3,4,5) - ) - it would also fit with the next pattern (04:12:018 (2,3,4,5) - ) it's a bit symmetrical but not really vertical. i admit the pattern is a bit off but adjusting might mess up the movement i intended
- 03:49:826 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - (suggestion) - maybe make the stream like 04:02:977 (7,8,1,2,3,4) - just the other way around (somehow like https://puu.sh/y5bFQ/9823ae6b59.jpg )
- 04:12:943 (7,1) - another stacking bug fixed
- 04:29:073 (1,2,3,4,1) - this curve could be visually improved changed
- 04:42:018 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - when i think about your prevoius stream pattering shouldnt it be structured like this: (im not talking about placemants ^^) :https://puu.sh/y5bTb/1a502b7a6a.jpg - exspecially cause an overall equally spaced stream wouldnt fit with the piano at all ~
- 04:59:484 (1,2,3,4) - that is super unconfortable to play and looks a bit messy~ (i dont got solutions how to map this better tho :/) it's 1/3 rhythm. expected to be playble with single tap

Good luck with the Mapset - one of my favorite alt maps!!! ^^ thanks!

Lasse wrote:
tick 2 really sucks for the intro since you get ticks on things like 00:02:360 - which is ??
same for parts like 02:11:813 (1) -
would just go with 1 or maybe silence ticks instead of slides (can't do both sadly) in these and similar parts changed to 1 tick

asaiga
01:38:936 (1,2,3) - this feels so incoherent with itself since the shapes don't feel like they belong together, I think using similar ideas for each slider (like curvature), for example: https://streamable.com/ehawm oke
for the chorus I think you could make it a bit more interesting by simplifying it a bit less. what I mean:
look at 01:44:176 (2,3) - 01:44:586 (4,5) - both only map a vocal on the sliderhead, fine
but then 01:44:895 (6,7) - has two, so differentiation it by doing something like https://i.imgur.com/TRyGR05.jpg would be great
same for things like 01:46:539 (6,7) - etc. ahhh i get it. I was kinda stuck my head in 1 concept and because i don't like unstack stuff in this kind of map. But you are right, I gotta make things cool :'D
the normal whistles in chorus seemed a bit weird as they happen so rarely, I don't think that works well tbh, using them more frequently or not using them would probably be better replaced normal whistles with soft whistles

04:10:169 (1,2) - why not +sv since they stand out a lot? you could even make them 1/8 imo increased SV
04:29:073 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ... you never used such harsh stream angles before, don't suddenly put them 5min into the map :/ changed this section's pattern
04:33:182 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - feels so lacking, why not higher sv to reflect the raised vocal intensity better nooooo i dont want fast sliders ;; (changed)
04:55:169 (4,1) - transition into stream is a bit lol visually, would be nice if slider lead into it like https://i.imgur.com/2rlNGU6.jpg fixed
04:55:991 (5,6) - why such a harsh angle, something like 04:58:148 (4,1) - would be nicer imo adjusted
05:00:169 (4) - 2 circles so you can map cymbal wold be neat done
05:03:997 - 15% green line oki

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sliderticks and the chorus spacing stuff are kinda important to me, feel free to call me back if you addressed those on it!

thanks! also updated Karen's part. I hope xD

Lama Poluna

796 posts

Joined June 2014

Lama Poluna 2017-11-01T11:54:32+00:00

Hello! Can you use circle name on artist?

Asaiga

848 posts

Joined July 2013

Topic Starter

Asaiga 2017-11-01T15:51:21+00:00

Lama Poluna wrote:
Hello! Can you use circle name on artist?

i don't really know ó ^ ò
is this a matter of preference? if yes then i would like to keep merami

Winnie

1,343 posts

Joined November 2013

Winnie 2017-11-03T21:26:34+00:00

Fixed Some Stff

osu file format v14

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Lasse

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Lasse 2017-11-03T21:30:14+00:00

it's preference, you can either use Meramiop or 凋叶棕 (=Diao ye zong)
circle or vocalist are both acceptable here according to current metadata rc

Lama Poluna

796 posts

Joined June 2014

Lama Poluna 2017-11-05T11:39:35+00:00

also,

Artist: 凋叶棕 feat. めらみぽっぷ or RD-Sounds feat. めらみぽっぷ

https://twitter.com/rdwithleaf/status/9 ... 2339969025

I recommend to use 凋叶棕 feat. めらみぽっぷ. Because it is more captures the essence of the game and the direction of the author.

Asaiga

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Topic Starter

Asaiga 2017-11-07T10:08:07+00:00

Lama Poluna wrote:
also,

Artist: 凋叶棕 feat. めらみぽっぷ or RD-Sounds feat. めらみぽっぷ

https://twitter.com/rdwithleaf/status/9 ... 2339969025

I recommend to use 凋叶棕 feat. めらみぽっぷ. Because it is more captures the essence of the game and the direction of the author.

Hi, I will change artist to 凋叶棕 next time i update ^^
But is it Diao Ye Zong or Diao ye zong or RD-Sounds in romanized artist?

Shortthu

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Shortthu 2017-11-12T04:24:13+00:00

(from Metadata Heap)
🤔

links

+ http://www.rd-sounds.com/reitai12.html
+ http://cosmopolitan93.net/free/profile
+ http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/html/th06.html
+ http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/html/th07.html

Asaiga

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Topic Starter

Asaiga 2017-11-12T08:50:44+00:00

metadata for later uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

i might change the artist back to merami since i prefer so

ok, keeping the artist name like lfj's https://osu.ppy.sh/s/628765
gotta avoid every dq, gals ( :

Kin

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Kin 2017-12-08T21:49:28+00:00

Lasse wrote:
kin
01:08:011 (3) - what is this even mapping everything is on white tick after it
1/4 later is the hit hat, the blue tick here is mapped on the kick

IceKalt wrote:
o/

[Neraidaphobia]

- 00:51:573 (4,6) - that overlap choice is kinda random to me - maybe make it the same as 00:52:395 (7,8) - so it looks like this: https://puu.sh/y5aRM/4037c698e1.png it basically was a perfect stack, but I had to change it in order to make it rankable
- 01:19:004 (1) - white anchors wtf lovely ~

thanks for mod owo

Lasse

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Lasse 2017-12-09T11:57:59+00:00

recheck

:thinking:

05:03:883 - inconsistent timing line settings

kin
01:09:234 (4,1) - this seems unreasonably harsh movement wise for a rather slow part, spacing together with breaking movement so much on sliderbody is ??

asaiga
01:43:035 (4) - wouldnt it make more sense to start stream from here if you wanted to follow the high pitched thing
kiai is way nicer than before now
04:33:789 (3) - add some curve to this to make it look more fitting with your other shapes here?, same for 04:34:097 (1,3) - that part just looks a bit out of place with other visuals. maybe something likehttps://i.imgur.com/8ZGlHgo.jpg which basically plays the same as what you have right now

yea

Asaiga

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Asaiga 2017-12-09T12:22:10+00:00

Lasse wrote:
recheck

:thinking: removed unused files

05:03:883 - inconsistent timing line settings fixed

kin
01:09:234 (4,1) - this seems unreasonably harsh movement wise for a rather slow part, spacing together with breaking movement so much on sliderbody is ?? fixed spacing&angle

asaiga
01:43:035 (4) - wouldnt it make more sense to start stream from here if you wanted to follow the high pitched thing
kiai is way nicer than before now ok, made 2 circles
04:33:789 (3) - add some curve to this to make it look more fitting with your other shapes here?, same for 04:34:097 (1,3) - that part just looks a bit out of place with other visuals. maybe something likehttps://i.imgur.com/8ZGlHgo.jpg which basically plays the same as what you have right now adjusted shapes

yea agree

Lasse

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Lasse 2017-12-09T13:00:41+00:00

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MaridiuS

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MaridiuS 2017-12-11T23:40:58+00:00

[Asaiga]

01:38:926 (1) - This slider is completely meh and disconnected from the subsequent two. 01:39:748 (2,3) - These two other than look better by their own, have this sweet overlap connect, I suggest trying something with the initial link to connect it with the two by some form of overlapping or blanketing. The current shape doesn't seem appealing to me because it has crude lines, nothing to come in handy for blanketing other objects around it. https://i.imgur.com/s2LWoV1.jpg generally bending something inwards the slider feels good 01:40:570 (3) - or you can just make a curve like this one on the final part of it, not both the start and the end if its not symmetrical.
01:42:419 (1,2,3) - This really calls for a triangle since (2) was rotated about 110 degrees (which reminds of 120). Now the map just has 3 chaotically placed sliders without any similar rotation symmetry or angle. Other than aesthetics, the sliders lead to objects further in timeline in different kind of ways. So idk just make a 120 degree rotation triangle classic pattern I suppose?
04:27:213 (4,6) - Making them parallel or inversed should look much better. https://i.imgur.com/RJrmfFw.jpg can't you just rotate the big slider by 5 degrees and make the other slider parallel to it which will also lead better to 04:27:419 (5) - .
04:52:898 (1,2,3) - Having them in some different shape, triangles perhaps, will leave a much better taste since this is a different layer in a different part. Never in the map have there been such cute guitar hits, therefore I suggest to emphasize them with shape, they are nothing liek the vocals in the kiais. Perhaps something like this? https://i.imgur.com/LfS2Ry2.jpg

[karen]

03:23:309 (4,5,6,7,1) - This just doesn't seem to fit. 03:23:515 (6) - Doesn't sound distinct at all and this is a large leap from the previous 2stack. 03:25:261 (4,1) - Here you don't emphasize based on the snare, and also both cases don't really call for a stream jump at all, it is a peaceful section. 03:26:700 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - soon after you don't use it all, which is the correct choice OwO.
03:28:446 (2) - By making this into a 1/4 slider you will give larger emphasis to the 5stack, and have the pattern a bit easier which should fit the overall tone of the section, it is not intense nearly as the kiai parts. 03:28:549 - Doesn't sound audible too.
03:42:419 (3,1) - This is way too unusual and not really fitting. Much better alternative would be to jump to 03:42:625 (2) - which is a white tick and also a loud guitar, it's much more rhythmically plausible to jump on that then on the unexpected raise of pitch on the guitar.

[kin]

00:48:994 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Think the section is overall too peaceful for that, you can tone it down a bit my making 00:49:303 (1) - be spaced from 00:49:200 (3) - like (3) from (1) https://i.imgur.com/KGKLqqe.jpg.
01:14:679 (5) - Noticeable piano pitch intensity raises here rather than where you NCed. I suggest increasing the spacing starting from here instead, it is also more rhythmically correct since it's on a white tick, main beat in the song.

We also had an irc talk about aesthetics some patterns were fixed, some were deemed irrelevant to fix meaning in the current map some concepts can't be applied, but I believe Asaiga will keep those things in mind for future mapping. Also I modded this half-asleep so when rechecking I will maybe point out bigger stuff too if I spot something.

Asaiga

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Asaiga 2017-12-12T10:45:35+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
[Asaiga]
01:38:926 (1) - This slider is completely meh and disconnected from the subsequent two. 01:39:748 (2,3) - These two other than look better by their own, have this sweet overlap connect, I suggest trying something with the initial link to connect it with the two by some form of overlapping or blanketing. The current shape doesn't seem appealing to me because it has crude lines, nothing to come in handy for blanketing other objects around it. https://i.imgur.com/s2LWoV1.jpg generally bending something inwards the slider feels good 01:40:570 (3) - or you can just make a curve like this one on the final part of it, not both the start and the end if its not symmetrical. I would bend slider(1) inwards but it wouldn't play that well. Because distance 1,2 would be too close compare to 2,3. Unless you want me to remake these sliders. Beside, the flow is good, it builds up vertically then jump to 2
01:42:419 (1,2,3) - This really calls for a triangle since (2) was rotated about 110 degrees (which reminds of 120) i dont think i used rotation tool, how do you know?. Now the map just has 3 chaotically placed sliders without any similar rotation symmetry or angle. Other than aesthetics, the sliders lead to objects further in timeline in different kind of ways. So idk just make a 120 degree rotation triangle classic pattern I suppose? made them look neater but not 120 degree like you said cuz it would make the flow bad
04:27:213 (4,6) - Making them parallel or inversed should look much better. https://i.imgur.com/RJrmfFw.jpg can't you just rotate the big slider by 5 degrees and make the other slider parallel to it which will also lead better to 04:27:419 (5) - . they are now parallel but unlike suggestion a bit. I understand why you think 4,5 in the picture would connect better, but that's for general bpm. Have a look at this https://puu.sh/yEHF7/f5695591bb.jpg with my right-bend slider it would go well to the next slider, as for your suggestion, people might go further to the left which cause a sliderbreak. I'm not a physicist but tell me if i'm wrong
04:52:898 (1,2,3) - Having them in some different shape, triangles perhaps, will leave a much better taste since this is a different layer in a different part. Never in the map have there been such cute guitar hits, therefore I suggest to emphasize them with shape, they are nothing liek the vocals in the kiais. Perhaps something like this? https://i.imgur.com/LfS2Ry2.jpg fixed this part's pattern

We also had an irc talk about aesthetics some patterns were fixed, some were deemed irrelevant to fix meaning in the current map some concepts can't be applied, but I believe Asaiga will keep those things in mind for future mapping. Also I modded this half-asleep so when rechecking I will maybe point out bigger stuff too if I spot something. thank you thank you! you are so considerate

Lasse

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Lasse 2017-12-12T11:23:55+00:00

:thinking:

Asaiga

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Asaiga 2017-12-12T12:11:18+00:00

veto'ed

Karen

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Karen 2017-12-12T13:07:40+00:00

fixed all, also adjusted the flow of 03:43:446 (1,2,3,4) - this stream hope it's ok

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Kin

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Kin 2017-12-12T17:12:03+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
[kin]
00:48:994 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Think the section is overall too peaceful for that, you can tone it down a bit my making 00:49:303 (1) - be spaced from 00:49:200 (3) - like (3) from (1) https://i.imgur.com/KGKLqqe.jpg. it actually make less sense to start the spaced stream here 00:49:405 (2) - instead of here 00:49:303 (1) - . I will reduce the spacing between those a bit 00:49:303 (1,2,3) - ; but not gonna change 00:49:200 (3,1) -
01:14:679 (5) - Noticeable piano pitch intensity raises here rather than where you NCed. I suggest increasing the spacing starting from here instead, it is also more rhythmically correct since it's on a white tick, main beat in the song. without talking about pitch, you can clearly hear those piano note 01:14:268 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - are different from those 01:14:885 (1,2,1) - . 01:14:679 (5) - is sure higher pitched, but not so different from 01:14:268 (1,2,3,4) - . However, you can clearly hear 01:14:885 (1,2,1) - is at least 1 octave lower than the other.

thanks for mod!