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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年7月16日 at 0:40:25

Artist: RURUTIA
Title: Phronesis
Source: ソフィーのアトリエ ~不思議な本の錬金術士~
Tags: Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book Opening gust jrpg koeitecmo NISA Shurelia Karen Kagamine Ren
BPM: 180
Filesize: 13878kb
Play Time: 01:25
Difficulties Available:
  1. Insane (4.34 stars, 292 notes)
  2. Karen's Hard (3.37 stars, 259 notes)
  3. Normal (1.89 stars, 153 notes)
  4. Shu's Easy (1.61 stars, 101 notes)


Download: RURUTIA - Phronesis
Download: RURUTIA - Phronesis (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Easy by Shurelia
Hard by Karen
rest by me
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Wow it's atelier series
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doneee (actually I've finished this 2 hours earlier than this post lol)

Also holy , 1.7 . I'll try to find something that can be nerfed then.

https://shurelia.s-ul.eu/q1Z2A6W7



Update : https://shurelia.s-ul.eu/MLIJIdvH

Thank to Log Off Now for the nerf.
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talked about stuff with shurelias diff

a long irc log
16:32 Shurelia: anyway
16:32 Shurelia: map
16:32 *Shurelia is listening to RURUTIA - Phronesis
16:32 Shurelia: oh f
16:32 Log Off Now: ya i need .osz xd
16:32 Shurelia: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1149884
16:32 Shurelia: diff : https://shurelia.s-ul.eu/q1Z2A6W7
16:33 Log Off Now: mfw .osu
16:33 Shurelia: xd
16:33 Log Off Now: oh
16:33 Log Off Now: this isnt ar8 is it
16:34 Shurelia: ofc not
16:34 Shurelia: lo
16:34 Log Off Now: wait wtf
16:34 Log Off Now: why is ar3 so fast
16:34 Shurelia: idk rofl
16:34 Log Off Now: uh first thing i can say
16:34 Log Off Now: your sv is pretty high
16:34 Shurelia: 0.8 is pretty high
16:34 Shurelia: hmm
16:34 Shurelia: 0.6 then?
16:35 Log Off Now: 0.6-0.7
16:35 Shurelia: kk, I can remap this fast
16:35 Shurelia: prob 0.6
16:35 Shurelia: just to be safe
16:35 Log Off Now: 00:44:585 (2,3,4,5) - this is where i bet a lot of sr comes from
16:35 Shurelia: as i thought
16:35 Log Off Now: circles are easier for noobs to play, but it increases sr a lot
16:36 Shurelia: oo, do you think
16:36 Shurelia: it's possible for me
16:36 Shurelia: to nerf this
16:36 Shurelia: without changing the SR?
16:36 Log Off Now: uh
16:36 Log Off Now: ya
16:36 Log Off Now: easily
16:36 Log Off Now: this diff is super dense
16:36 Shurelia: ayy
16:36 Shurelia: good the
16:36 Shurelia: 00:44:585 (2,3) - I can change this into 1/1
16:36 Log Off Now: 00:02:256 (3,4,5) - eg this could be a 1/1 slider and a circle
16:37 Log Off Now: easy diffs you should focus on hitting one prominent part of the music as simply as possible
16:38 Shurelia: my thoughts while making this
16:38 Shurelia: cirlce for
16:38 Shurelia: super strong
16:38 Shurelia: vocals/instruments
16:38 Log Off Now: ya
16:38 Log Off Now: i think your rhythm is too dense
16:38 Log Off Now: thats why the sr is high
16:39 Log Off Now: 00:57:585 (1,2) - eg this could just be a 2/1 slider
16:39 Log Off Now: 01:03:585 (4) - this could be a 2/1 slider to follow the held flute
16:40 Log Off Now: the 2nd kiai is pretty good
16:40 Log Off Now: the intro is the easiest place to nerf stuff i think
16:41 Shurelia: i see
16:41 Shurelia: hmm
16:41 Log Off Now: eg 00:06:922 (5) - if you wanna just follow the guitar here
16:42 Log Off Now: make it 1/1 slider and a circle
16:42 Log Off Now: then have a long pause until the next guitar
16:42 Log Off Now: 00:07:922 (1,2) - so you'd remove these two notes
16:42 Shurelia: hoo
16:42 Shurelia: interesting
16:42 Log Off Now: and then you'd probs remove 0.1 sr ish already
16:42 Log Off Now: and you can get away with that because you don't have to follow everything in the music in an easy
16:43 Log Off Now: it also makes it easier for noobs to know what they're playing and make it physically easier because its less clicking
16:43 Log Off Now: thats what i did with solfa/precious wang, pick something to follow
16:43 Log Off Now: make it simple
16:43 Shurelia: i see
16:43 Shurelia: i get it now
16:43 Log Off Now: ignore everything else or follow passively
16:44 Shurelia: gonna do a quick remap
16:44 Shurelia: based on what you mentioned
16:44 Log Off Now: lemme see when you have
16:44 Shurelia: kk
16:44 Log Off Now: the main reason your sr is high af atm is because of note density
16:44 Log Off Now: if you lower that, itll drop a lot, maybe to 1.6 or something
16:45 Log Off Now: maybe even less
16:45 Log Off Now: holy shit fuccho ranked packet hero
16:45 Shurelia: what's the meaning of note density tho
16:45 Log Off Now: wat a god
16:45 Log Off Now: how often a section involves clicking
16:45 Shurelia: it's been there since ages
16:45 Shurelia: lol
16:45 Log Off Now: thats how i interpet it anyway
16:45 Log Off Now: eg for a generic build up in an anime song
16:46 Shurelia: i see
16:46 Log Off Now: you want to build up the amount of clicking you do during the build up
16:46 Log Off Now: so start of with repeat slider or w/e, and end with a stream
16:46 Log Off Now: repeat slider = 1 click or w/e per x amount of notes
16:46 Log Off Now: stream = 1 click per note
16:46 Log Off Now: thats probably a super shitty explanation lol
16:47 Log Off Now: modhelp might be a better place to ask for a better explanation
16:47 Shurelia: it's been a while since my last easy
16:47 Shurelia: naah
16:47 Shurelia: yours are already good enough
16:47 Log Off Now: i've only recently got better because oko senpai gave me tips on precious wang
16:47 Shurelia: whoaa
16:47 Log Off Now: every easy diff i've made since that like 1hr irc have had barely any mods, just blankets
16:47 Shurelia: is he a good teacher?
16:48 Log Off Now: ya
16:48 Shurelia: nice
16:48 Log Off Now: oko is op
17:01 Shurelia: 1.64 atm
17:18 Shurelia: https://shurelia.s-ul.eu/BVLWQZRz only 1.64
17:18 Shurelia: smh
17:18 Log Off Now: wat was the mep called again?
17:19 Log Off Now: n vm got it
17:19 Shurelia: I'm trying
17:19 Shurelia: to fix your vid
17:20 Log Off Now: you could still nerf this a lot xd
17:20 Shurelia: ooo
17:20 Log Off Now: 00:03:922 (1) - also this slider confuses me
17:20 Shurelia: halp
17:20 Shurelia: then
17:21 Log Off Now: because only one point of the slider hits the vocal
17:21 Log Off Now: eh maybe 2 points, but neither of them are the slider head
17:21 Log Off Now: 00:05:589 (2,3) - this could easily be a 2/1 slider
17:21 Shurelia: what should i do
17:21 Log Off Now: idk on that first slider, its weird af timing lo
17:22 Log Off Now: 00:08:588 (2) - if you w anna keep to following the guitar this could be a circle
17:23 Log Off Now: 00:11:254 (1,2,3,4) - this rhythm could be simplified a bit aswell
17:23 Log Off Now: 00:11:254 (1,2) - maybe 2/1 slider idk
17:24 Log Off Now: 00:18:920 (4) - could just be a circle
17:24 Log Off Now: 00:26:920 (4) - same
17:24 Log Off Now: 00:29:919 (4,5) - this could be potentially weird because its the only red tick click so far (and i think the only one in the whole mep)
17:25 Log Off Now: [https://i.gyazo.com/6a3f16b800aa7aff078d04235122bc7b.png maybe something like this could fit better?]
17:25 Log Off Now: 00:34:585 (6) - could be a circle
17:25 Log Off Now: 00:37:585 (4,5) - these should stay as is though because they act as a mini transition
17:26 Log Off Now: tbh if you nerf those that should bring the sr down enough
17:26 Log Off Now: if not you might have to drop to 0.7sv
17:27 Shurelia: another remap attemp .icn
17:27 Log Off Now: rofl
17:27 Log Off Now: 00:00:257 (1,2,3,4) - even this starting section could be simplified a tiny bit
17:28 Log Off Now: [https://i.gyazo.com/b7206b823234928c774bc056ffcf7558.png idea]
17:28 Log Off Now: ok
17:28 Log Off Now: i figured out how to rip that slider
17:29 Shurelia: halp
17:29 Log Off Now: [https://i.gyazo.com/ae41fe4195512845b3ba887ea5da855c.png thats my starting rhythm from 00:00:000]
17:29 Log Off Now: and its 1.62* after just that change
17:31 Log Off Now: 00:15:254 (1) - this could maaaybe turn into just a circle since the vocal switch happens on the red tick afterwards
17:31 Log Off Now: since it cant be clickable because easy rules you could probably justify having a circle + pause
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Added hitsound for all diffs and it's ready to go now.
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/o/
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ganbatte
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first mod before things got harder to be modded Xd

[GeneraL]
  1. where's the tag for GD makers ?
  2. you actually can just use "RURUTIA" as the artist name instead are her japanese name but both work as the official one so it's up to you to choose. Source : http://social.gust.co.jp/sophie/music/
  3. Tags recommendation : gust , jrpg , koeitecmo, NISA
  4. the kiai between easy and the other diffs are different. You shoud check it (I suggest to use the HS volume and kiai that I made on the Easy diff but it's up to you if you want to follow it or remove the things on the easy)
[Normal]
  1. are you sure to not doing any HS on 00:00:257 - 00:15:921 - I really advide to HS this part too
  2. 00:41:585 (1,3) - touching on each other, do you think it'll be ok? There should be another alternative than this
  3. 01:21:669 (1) - you need to reduce the spinners sound at here since the current one is too loud to be listened.
[Feeder's Hard]
  1. 00:14:588 (2,3,5,6,7) - looks pretty similar on each other since both are stacked completly, this might confuse the hard players.
  2. 00:18:087 (2,3,5,6) - Same, prob this is your thing afterall
  3. 00:21:420 (5) - Probably should just stack this on 00:21:587 (6) - 's head instead the current one since 5 is a pretty strong thing and need some emphasize
  4. 00:27:920 (1) - A very strong sound, prob should put this on 00:28:253 (2) - 's head instead ? , You're gonna adjust 00:27:587 (6) - 's direction if you agree with this tho
  5. 00:56:585 (5) - uuuhh, you never done this kind of thing before , try 452|8 for a sweet looking?
  6. Same HS suggestion on spinner on normal
[Insane]
  1. 00:06:922 (4) - prob you can try to extend this slider into the blue line? It still plays good imo
  2. 00:31:252 (2,3,4) - this gonna be something pretty unexpected cause of the visual distance that looks really similar on each other.
ayy
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我草,剛剛改完名就知道它revive了
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Hello! From my M4M queue!
My map for M4M: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/582957

[Easy]
00:16:921 (2,3,4) - You may consider forming up a triangle here: https://puu.sh/v2nLC/a91320d843.png
00:18:920 (4,1) - Anti-flow is not recommended in Easy. 01:00:585 (5,1) - Same.
00:45:585 (4,5) - Blanket

[Normal]
00:21:920 (1,2) - This visual spacing as well as the overlap make it look like 1/2 tbh
00:25:920 (1,2,3,4,5) - This may be too hard for a Normal diff, on both reading and stamania.
00:45:585 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - Same.
And there are more intensive 1/2 rhythms in a row.

So the problem lies in your imbalanced setting of spacing.

[Hard]
00:54:419 (4,5) - Jump here? Since you almost jump at every clap.
Adding some Kiai?

[Insane]
00:26:920 (4) - I guess this is 1/6
00:34:919 (4,5) - These 1/4 sliders are really overdosed for such a smooth part.
00:38:585 (1) - I guess 1/4 rhythm should be 00:38:752 (1) - instead?
00:42:252 (3,1,2) - It plays a bit weird. A loud clap was assigned smaller spacing than a way weaker sound.
01:16:835 (2) - Sounds quite overdosed.

Good luck!
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Shurelia wrote:

first mod before things got harder to be modded Xd

[GeneraL]
  1. where's the tag for GD makers ? Added
  2. you actually can just use "RURUTIA" as the artist name instead are her japanese name but both work as the official one so it's up to you to choose. Source : http://social.gust.co.jp/sophie/music/ I'd keep it
  3. Tags recommendation : gust , jrpg , koeitecmo, NISA Added.
  4. the kiai between easy and the other diffs are different. You shoud check it (I suggest to use the HS volume and kiai that I made on the Easy diff but it's up to you if you want to follow it or remove the things on the easy) Added kiai.
[Normal]
  1. are you sure to not doing any HS on 00:00:257 - 00:15:921 - I really advide to HS this part too I don't think it's a good idea to hs this part cuz it's very calm and quiet.
  2. 00:41:585 (1,3) - touching on each other, do you think it'll be ok? There should be another alternative than this I think this is ok.
  3. 01:21:669 (1) - you need to reduce the spinners sound at here since the current one is too loud to be listened. Fixed.
[Insane]
  1. 00:06:922 (4) - prob you can try to extend this slider into the blue line? It still plays good imo but it would ruin pattern
  2. 00:31:252 (2,3,4) - this gonna be something pretty unexpected cause of the visual distance that looks really similar on each other.
    Just in editor, if you play it actually you would not have a problem
ayy

Regraz wrote:

Hello! From my M4M queue!
My map for M4M: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/582957 Done

[Normal]
00:21:920 (1,2) - This visual spacing as well as the overlap make it look like 1/2 tbh ur write, changed patterns here.
00:25:920 (1,2,3,4,5) - This may be too hard for a Normal diff, on both reading and stamania. Changed 4 to circle and it would be easier to read.
00:45:585 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - Same. Changed.
And there are more intensive 1/2 rhythms in a row.

So the problem lies in your imbalanced setting of spacing.
[Insane]
00:26:920 (4) - I guess this is 1/6 I'd gather more opinions about this.
00:34:919 (4,5) - These 1/4 sliders are really overdosed for such a smooth part. Changed.
00:38:585 (1) - I guess 1/4 rhythm should be 00:38:752 (1) - instead? 00:38:585 (1) - follows the main theme(flute?), and what your said is kick/snare, considering I followed main theme at 00:37:585 (4,5,6) - so I think keeping it would be a better choice.
00:42:252 (3,1,2) - It plays a bit weird. A loud clap was assigned smaller spacing than a way weaker sound. changed
01:16:835 (2) - Sounds quite overdosed. I think you could hear 1/4 bass sound here.

Good luck!


Thank you for modding!
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Regraz wrote:



[Easy]
00:16:921 (2,3,4) - You may consider forming up a triangle here: https://puu.sh/v2nLC/a91320d843.png triangle'd
00:18:920 (4,1) - Anti-flow is not recommended in Easy. 01:00:585 (5,1) - Same. nerfed
00:45:585 (4,5) - Blanket killed the blanket



Thanks!
got some Tag conflict problems while checking aimods, don't forget to fix it , Lavender


also please rank this song ;w;

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osu file format v14

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Title:Phronesis
TitleUnicode:Phronesis
Artist:RURUTIA
ArtistUnicode:ルルティア
Creator:Lavender
Version:Shu's Easy
Source:ソフィーのアトリエ ~不思議な本の錬金術士~
Tags:Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book Opening gust jrpg koeitecmo NISA Shurelia Karen Kagamine Ren
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Shurelia wrote:


also please rank this song ;w; I wanna rank this asap too if i don't have to deal with so much things irl

Updated Shuralia's diff.
posted
Aah, I see then.

Please take care of yourself at there.
posted
Hi :3

[Hard]
add kiai
00:29:420 (5,1) i thinks it's far
00:42:585 (4,5) ^
00:46:585 (4) move right
01:02:085 (2) move left
01:04:585 (4) i think it's far
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[General]
  1. 这hard综合难度挺高的,星数和normal差距也较大,spread会有一点点危险


[Easy]
  1. 00:07:922 - 00:08:255 - why ignore them
  2. 00:13:921 - this sound is important, better to make it clickable
  3. 00:14:921 - ^
  4. 00:15:254 (6) - better to use a 1/1 slider


[Normal]
  1. 低难度用这个堆叠系数不太合适啊……
  2. 00:41:585 (1,2,3) - 1稍微有些遮挡后面东西,低难度里这个不太合适,新手会容易看不清2是个滑条,把2跟3换个方向或者右移
  3. 00:47:585 (1,2) - 没叠好
  4. 01:00:585 (2,3) - 遮挡
  5. 01:01:585 (1,2) - 01:03:585 (1,2) - 01:04:585 (3,4) - 01:07:585 (1,2) - 01:12:585 (3,4) - 01:12:585 (3,4) - ^ 其实稍微调一点点就行


[Hard]
  1. 00:14:588 (2,3,5,6,7) - 这碰不太好看
  2. 00:44:085 (3,4,5) - 这种在hard里真挺过分的,尤其是这个堆叠系数,至少考虑加个nc


[Insane]
  1. 1/2完全重叠还能接受,1/4也这样大概会有点问题吧,尤其在insane
  2. 图本身没什么说


质量都没什么说但是总觉得很容易被搞事,如果运气不好

GL
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Pata-Mon wrote:


[Easy]
  1. 00:07:922 - 00:08:255 - why ignore them I'm following the guitar's sound at here and wanted to give less dense clicking rhythms
  2. 00:13:921 - this sound is important, better to make it clickable sure
  3. 00:14:921 - ^ ues
  4. 00:15:254 (6) - better to use a 1/1 slider yes



Thank you

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Source:ソフィーのアトリエ ~不思議な本の錬金術士~
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咕太久了,射点星代替好了
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Shu's Easy
00:11:254 (1,4) - Slight overlap
00:23:587 (6,2) - Not sure about this overlap
01:09:585 (1,2) - blanket maybe?
Normal
00:26:920 (3,4,5) - Make it a little straighter?
01:15:585 (1,1) - blanket
01:19:585 (1,3) - slidertail for 01:20:585 (3) - isn't completly overlapping 01:19:585 (1) - slidertail
Karen's Hard
00:14:588 (2,3,5,6,7) - bacause 00:15:088 (5,6,7) - stacks then there is a small overlap with 00:14:588 (2,3) -
00:20:920 (4,6) - Blanket
00:28:253 (2,4) - ^ (a small one)
01:00:919 (5,6,1) - ^ (even smaller one)
01:20:585 (4) - NC?


I really like this map. Its fun to paly! god luck on your map! <3
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