m-flo + daoko - IRONY (el poco maro Remix)

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Hathz

zev wrote:

  1. maybe silence that sliderslide? it's sounds kinda jarring in a calm song.
    00:08:181 (1) - stack hai
    00:10:056 (6,7) - ctrl+g rhythm vocals g not sure what you mean exactly, this is fine
    00:20:454 (5) - no beat in song here, 00:20:795 - move sliderhead here? also it's a bit hard to read things there in that section with the overlaps/stacks, 'tis matching the vocal
    00:32:386 (6,7) - rather see those as stacks, so it doesn't nullify the bass kick emphasize on 00:31:875 (3,4) - kinda kills the motion then
    02:21:477 (6,7) - ^ ^
    00:35:965 (2) - stack hai
    03:15:852 (3) - x:337 y:34, better place fr jump i used scale tool the jump's way too big then compared to the ones that follow
    04:37:585 (6,8) - overmapped heck yeah :D

bye
cheers m8
Yoshimaro
hi im modder c:


im new to mapping im new to modding x d, skip to the bottom of this mod before applying to read why I left a BN worthy check here lol

General

  1. There are some SB elements that aren't sized properly. Also, just double check to make sure your BG is jpg and your scrolling / foreground objects are png since they are lossless.
  2. normal-sliderslide.wav and soft-sliderslide.wav are not 100ms. This causes issues for some soundcards and is an unrankable issue, so replace those sliderslides with this muted sliderslide instead.
  3. normal-hitnormal.wav has a delay of over 5ms. I went ahead and cropped an acceptable version for you: https://puu.sh/vQApR/eaffe69c84.mp3
  4. On the storyboard, maybe from 00:20:454 - 00:21:818 - there could be an effect similar to 02:31:363 - where the faded and blurry background slowly comes into focus, reaching an emphasized point on 00:21:818 - ?
  5. By the way, 2 years ago I downloaded this map in the midst of a poco maro craze lol.

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Hathz
  1. 00:32:727 - Starting here, you switch to much more passive rhythm which seemed strange while playing. Compare 00:25:738 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - 00:36:818 (1,2,3,4,5) - . What I mean by passive is that you switch from capturing mostly every element in the music to capturing the minimum to maintain the flow.
  2. 00:42:975 (3) - This slider is snapped wrong and doesn't show up on the AImod, weird.
  3. 00:43:678 (4) - This circle is also off snapped. Listening to it in 25%, you may want to check the wave file of the song to double check these are timed right. Additionally, if they are timed right, I highly suggest making 00:42:975 (3,4) - one combined slider, whether it be a reverse slider or not, to avoid players having trouble reading this.
  4. 00:46:363 - I think it would make more sense to let the break occur immediately following 00:43:678 (4) - because that's when there are important storyboard elements being shown. Also, there is no gap up to 00:57:272 - so it's just inconsistent.
  5. 01:56:420 (3) - Maybe Ctrl + J and rotate 10 degrees, then blanket 01:56:250 (2) - ? this could be synergistic with 01:55:909 (1) - as well, since it can be blanketed by it.
  6. 03:15:000 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1) - Yooooo this was really beautiful...
  7. 03:31:875 - OMG and a shooting star jeez I really love this storyboard lol.
  8. 04:46:363 (1) - Maybe curve the end of it a bit? like:
    stylistic preference, no functionality impact here c:
  9. 05:04:090 (1,1,2) - For OCD, can we make this a triangle or a 90 degree angle :P also wow, I'm really loving these flourishes at the end of kiai, good job on those.
  10. 07:00:511 (2,3) - If you alter the shape of 07:00:511 (2) - just a bit more, you can blanket both 07:01:022 (3) - and 07:01:363 (1) - in a more synergistic way.





Kawa
  1. 01:21:818 (1,2,3,4) - Maybe you can try something like this?
    There are multiple reasons I feel this would be to the benefit of this section. One of which, is because this is actually just before the hardest part in the map:
    Second, This much better emphasizes less muted beats on 01:21:818 - 01:22:500 - 01:23:181 - 01:23:863 - with distance gaps and embodies the muted bass beats with softer spacing. The patterning type I showed above would also apply to 01:23:181 (1,2,3,4) - .
  2. 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - Hardest part in the map, you can refer to the difficulty strains snapshot I linked above. First, I want to say that I actually really really like this jump sequence, I just feel its a bit too over emphasized in contrast with the rest of the map. A few suggestions on what I think could make this better represent the music:
    1. This is a build up, maybe make 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4) - less emphasized, and make 01:25:227 (1,2,3,4) - as emphasized as 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4) - currently is (I'm referring to the distances between circles when I say emphasize here)
    2. This is a foreign thought to 2017 mapping and honestly I like your jump sequence better, but if you wanted to you could embody 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - with obtuse angles instead, something like this:
    In any case, doing one or the other would work, but not doing either would still feel overdone.
  3. 01:30:000 (1) - The aesthetic is a bit cramped near the end of the slider end. one thing that could help free the slider from its cramped look is to place the white anchors more towards the center of the object:
    What fixing this will do is make the blankets on 01:30:511 (2,3) - more obvious and better looking, as well as you'll have an easier curve to blanket when adjusting the slider shapes of 01:30:681 (3,4) - .
  4. 01:37:159 (3,4) - This is the first instance of this rhythm type being introduced. Not that this is a bad thing, but it may cause unnecessary slider end drops or even slider breaks. notice that in previous instances, the rhythm choice was to use the 01:37:414 - as a circle and give the downbeat on 01:37:500 - a clickable function. In my opinion, it makes more sense to give 01:37:500 - a clickable functionality since it's the downbeat. Anyhow, this is okay but maybe introduce this rhythm type earlier in the map?
  5. 01:48:238 (5) - I recommend and NC
  6. 02:34:602 (3,1) - Fix blanket.
  7. 02:35:454 (1) - I think this element would look nicer in unison with 02:35:454 (1) - as a standard blanket, but that's purely a stylistic choice C:
  8. 03:39:545 (1,4) - Very nice overlap, good stuff.
  9. 04:11:335 - The い is on this beat I think?
  10. 04:17:727 (1,3) - Unnecessary overlap, can easily be resolved by moving 04:16:704 (2,3,4,1) - up just a couple pixels, and maybe 04:18:409 (3,4,5) - down a couple pixels.
  11. 04:21:818 (1) - If you liked the slider recommendation earlier, consider applying a bit of a touch up here as well?

Jokes aside, I've had this map for 2 years. I don't know how much effort you've put into this after these 2 years have passed, but I seriously want you to rank this because since this maps discovery, I've regularly listened to this song outside of osu! and I've grown very fond of it, it's such an emotionally calming song. Not to mention, the SB production is amazing. Not ranking that work of art would be an injustice, honestly.

GL :)
Topic Starter
Kawa

- Yoshimaro - wrote:

hi im modder c:
im new to mapping im new to modding x d, skip to the bottom of this mod before applying to read why I left a BN worthy check here lol

General

  1. There are some SB elements that aren't sized properly. Also, just double check to make sure your BG is jpg and your scrolling / foreground objects are png since they are lossless.

    I'll look into this a bit more and ask around but the ranking criteria around storyboard images has been changed a bit since last year so this part is debatable: Criteria from last year and this year for comparison.
    I made sure all the images without transparency are in .jpg while all the images with necessary transparency are in .png (only exception being the flares)
  2. normal-sliderslide.wav and soft-sliderslide.wav are not 100ms. This causes issues for some soundcards and is an unrankable issue, so replace those sliderslides with this muted sliderslide instead.
    Replaced, thanks a bunch!
  3. normal-hitnormal.wav has a delay of over 5ms. I went ahead and cropped an acceptable version for you: https://puu.sh/vQApR/eaffe69c84.mp3

    Replaced this aswell, thank you! (For some reason Audacity wanted to add an extra 100ms delay when converting it from .mp3 to .wav so I had to do it with foobar2000, hopefully it didn't mess it up too much)
  4. On the storyboard, maybe from 00:20:454 - 00:21:818 - there could be an effect similar to 02:31:363 - where the faded and blurry background slowly comes into focus, reaching an emphasized point on 00:21:818 - ?
    Good idea, I'll try to get it done after I fix the rest c:
  5. By the way, 2 years ago I downloaded this map in the midst of a poco maro craze lol.
    I might ask you for your poco maro maps sometime later, I could use some more :D

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Hathz
  1. 04:46:363 (1) - Maybe curve the end of it a bit? like:

    stylistic preference, no functionality impact here c:
    Done~ The straight end looked a bit wonky anyways




Kawa
  1. 01:21:818 (1,2,3,4) - Maybe you can try something like this?

    There are multiple reasons I feel this would be to the benefit of this section. One of which, is because this is actually just before the hardest part in the map:

    Second, This much better emphasizes less muted beats on 01:21:818 - 01:22:500 - 01:23:181 - 01:23:863 - with distance gaps and embodies the muted bass beats with softer spacing. The patterning type I showed above would also apply to 01:23:181 (1,2,3,4) - .
    Sounds good. Also makes stuff look nicer so sure! Changed the slider patterns to match your suggestion (there were slight problems with flow at first but it should be fine now...)
  2. 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - Hardest part in the map, you can refer to the difficulty strains snapshot I linked above. First, I want to say that I actually really really like this jump sequence, I just feel its a bit too over emphasized in contrast with the rest of the map. A few suggestions on what I think could make this better represent the music:
    1. This is a build up, maybe make 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4) - less emphasized, and make 01:25:227 (1,2,3,4) - as emphasized as 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4) - currently is (I'm referring to the distances between circles when I say emphasize here)
    2. This is a foreign thought to 2017 mapping and honestly I like your jump sequence better, but if you wanted to you could embody 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - with obtuse angles instead, something like this:

    In any case, doing one or the other would work, but not doing either would still feel overdone.
    This part has been pointed out once or twice before so I guess it really is "a bit" overdone :? Your suggestions make sense and I decided to go with 1. Reasons being: The buildup with stronger sounds like this (in my opinion) calls for a more snapping movement rather than a single wavy motion.
    It's also more fun to play a jumpy pattern compared to a linear one. Following that, I nerfed and moved the jumps so the spacing now gradually increases in order with the buildup in the song. This pattern also flows much better into the stream following it compared to the previous one so that's a neat addition~
  3. 01:30:000 (1) - The aesthetic is a bit cramped near the end of the slider end. one thing that could help free the slider from its cramped look is to place the white anchors more towards the center of the object:

    What fixing this will do is make the blankets on 01:30:511 (2,3) - more obvious and better looking, as well as you'll have an easier curve to blanket when adjusting the slider shapes of 01:30:681 (3,4) - .
    Fixed, also moved the slider slightly to the right. The blanket between 01:30:000 (1,4) - could still be improved a bit so I'll work on that later
  4. 01:37:159 (3,4) - This is the first instance of this rhythm type being introduced. Not that this is a bad thing, but it may cause unnecessary slider end drops or even slider breaks. notice that in previous instances, the rhythm choice was to use the 01:37:414 - as a circle and give the downbeat on 01:37:500 - a clickable function. In my opinion, it makes more sense to give 01:37:500 - a clickable functionality since it's the downbeat. Anyhow, this is okay but maybe introduce this rhythm type earlier in the map?
    I'm having mixed thoughts about this since, while you're right that it's usually white ticks that should be emphasized with a slider head,
    there's actually a stronger kick on the blue tick 01:37:414 - that goes into the weaker sound on the downbeat so I felt like a slider fits the part better. I figured using a double instead of a 1/4 slider could work but I feel like it wouldn't give enough emphasis for the kick unless I increased the spacing in that case.
    On another note, the first occurrence of this rhythm in the song happens at 00:31:875 (3,4,5) - where Hathz also emphasized the blue tick more with a 1/2 slider albeit with a different pattern and less spacing between the blue and white tick. For most of these occurences in the song, he used his variation of the pattern and I used mine, which might explain the inconsistency.
  5. 01:48:238 (5) - I recommend and NC
    Added NC
  6. 02:34:602 (3,1) - Fix blanket.
    Fixed blanket and a weird stack I missed before
  7. 02:35:454 (1) - I think this element would look nicer in unison with 02:35:454 (1) - as a standard blanket, but that's purely a stylistic choice C:Can a slider blanket itself? 🤔 I'll poke you in-game about this cause I'm not sure what exactly you meant
  8. 03:39:545 (1,4) - Very nice overlap, good stuff.
    Thanks! It wasn't easy
  9. 04:21:818 (1) - If you liked the slider recommendation earlier, consider applying a bit of a touch up here as well?
    Fixed it (I think). I kinda suck at this blanketing business...



  10. 04:11:335 - The い is on this beat I think?
  11. 04:17:727 (1,3) - Unnecessary overlap, can easily be resolved by moving 04:16:704 (2,3,4,1) - up just a couple pixels, and maybe 04:18:409 (3,4,5) - down a couple pixels.
    These two aren't my parts, I'll poke the person responsible for this :lol:

Jokes aside, I've had this map for 2 years. I don't know how much effort you've put into this after these 2 years have passed, but I seriously want you to rank this because since this maps discovery, I've regularly listened to this song outside of osu! and I've grown very fond of it, it's such an emotionally calming song. Not to mention, the SB production is amazing. Not ranking that work of art would be an injustice, honestly.
Thank you very much! I'm really glad to hear this since one of my goals was to promote songs like this with mapping. I'll try not to let all the effort go to waste~

GL :)


Thanks a ton for the very detailed and helpful mod! I really appreciate it :)
Hathz

- Yoshimaro - wrote:

hi im modder c: hi c:
Hathz
  1. 00:32:727 - Starting here, you switch to much more passive rhythm which seemed strange while playing. Compare 00:25:738 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - 00:36:818 (1,2,3,4,5) - . What I mean by passive is that you switch from capturing mostly every element in the music to capturing the minimum to maintain the flow. I'm not sure if it's that big of a problem, will leave it for now.
  2. 00:42:975 (3) - This slider is snapped wrong and doesn't show up on the AImod, weird. See below
  3. 00:43:678 (4) - This circle is also off snapped. Listening to it in 25%, you may want to check the wave file of the song to double check these are timed right. Additionally, if they are timed right, I highly suggest making 00:42:975 (3,4) - one combined slider, whether it be a reverse slider or not, to avoid players having trouble reading this. As far as timing goes on these, the song kinda slows down a bit and I tried my best to time it without adding more timing points. It's just snapped to 1/16.
  4. 00:46:363 - I think it would make more sense to let the break occur immediately following 00:43:678 (4) - because that's when there are important storyboard elements being shown. Also, there is no gap up to 00:57:272 - so it's just inconsistent. Fair enough
  5. 01:56:420 (3) - Maybe Ctrl + J and rotate 10 degrees, then blanket 01:56:250 (2) - ? this could be synergistic with 01:55:909 (1) - as well, since it can be blanketed by it. I think I prefer it the way it is now, also there's not much space to fiddle around there and I don't wanna break everything >w<
  6. 03:15:000 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1) - Yooooo this was really beautiful... Ayy
  7. 03:31:875 - OMG and a shooting star jeez I really love this storyboard lol. I'm just here to get the praise for Kawa's work~
  8. 04:46:363 (1) - Maybe curve the end of it a bit? stylistic preference, no functionality impact here c: Uh, wrong link? ^^
  9. 05:04:090 (1,1,2) - For OCD, can we make this a triangle or a 90 degree angle :P also wow, I'm really loving these flourishes at the end of kiai, good job on those. Fixed position of a circle slightly!
  10. 07:00:511 (2,3) - If you alter the shape of 07:00:511 (2) - just a bit more, you can blanket both 07:01:022 (3) - and 07:01:363 (1) - in a more synergistic way.
Thank you!
Topic Starter
Kawa
Applied Secretpipe's irc mod part 1(?) :)
2017-06-06 19:24 Secretpipe: now it's irc mod time
2017-06-06 19:24 Secretpipe: First
2017-06-06 19:24 Secretpipe: 01:15:340 (2,3,4) - Consider to space more these objects
2017-06-06 19:24 Secretpipe: It feels like I'm playing 1/2 right now and it can't be misread!
2017-06-06 19:25 Secretpipe: I know u blanket'd and the (2) with 01:16:363 (1,2) - but still hehe
2017-06-06 19:25 Kawa: Oh, I thought it shouldn't be too far apart cause it's pretty quiet at that part :o
2017-06-06 19:25 Secretpipe: Just take a look at 01:10:397 (3,4) -
2017-06-06 19:25 Secretpipe: same spacing but not same rhythm on the timeline
2017-06-06 19:26 Secretpipe: just space further the 3 and the 4!
2017-06-06 19:26 Secretpipe: it'll be ok!
2017-06-06 19:26 Kawa: Hmmm
2017-06-06 19:26 Secretpipe: like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8279879
2017-06-06 19:26 Kawa: What if I moved 3 further away and stacked 4 on top of 3? Would that work?
2017-06-06 19:26 Kawa: Oh, or that
2017-06-06 19:27 Secretpipe: that wouldn't be consistent with 01:15:340 (2) - then if you stack 01:15:681 (3) - behind 01:16:022 (4) -
2017-06-06 19:27 Kawa: I guess so
2017-06-06 19:28 Kawa: I increased the spacing now :o Similar to your example
2017-06-06 19:28 Kawa: [http://i.imgur.com/xWQL4V4.png So it's like this now]
2017-06-06 19:29 Secretpipe: 01:21:818 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - These objects feel too clustered at the moment (they are really close to each other!) Give it more space! It's still 1/2 and you can easily make stuff like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8279896 ( the curve is optional)
2017-06-06 19:29 Secretpipe: ya nicely done
2017-06-06 19:31 Kawa: I thought I'd emphasize every second white tick better like this :o
2017-06-06 19:31 Kawa: By having spacing change from small to big repeatedly
2017-06-06 19:31 Kawa: But I guess it doesn't look all that great huh
2017-06-06 19:31 Secretpipe: It's not that big
2017-06-06 19:32 Secretpipe: I was scared at first to increase my spacing when i began
2017-06-06 19:32 Secretpipe: just try it and play it , it feels normal !
2017-06-06 19:32 Secretpipe: the problem is that it's too small for what it is ! it's the buildup part
2017-06-06 19:33 Kawa: The spacing was pretty huge here before (but mostly in 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this part) so I actually nerfed it before xD
2017-06-06 19:33 Kawa: There were like 2 or 3 mods that pointed that out
2017-06-06 19:34 Kawa: I'll increase the spacing on those sliders you mentioned
2017-06-06 19:34 Secretpipe: 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - is clean don't touch it :C
2017-06-06 19:34 Secretpipe: it's not about increasing spacing , it's about giving the sliders more space
2017-06-06 19:35 Secretpipe: in my example i curved them and i avoided the overlap and it felt pretty okay i think!
2017-06-06 19:35 Kawa: Yeah I get it~
2017-06-06 19:35 Secretpipe: tell me when you are ready for the next one xd
2017-06-06 19:36 Kawa: You can go ahead :3 I marked this part so I'll take care of it later
2017-06-06 19:36 Secretpipe: !!
2017-06-06 19:36 Secretpipe: 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
2017-06-06 19:36 Secretpipe: oops
2017-06-06 19:36 Secretpipe: i copied a whole sentence and it got deleted
2017-06-06 19:36 Kawa: Nice
2017-06-06 19:37 Secretpipe: 01:26:590 (1) - There's something big and weird here! Lemme explain , you have a biiiig smooth curve made by some circles and then you have a god damn straight slider breakin the smoothness of ur pattern
2017-06-06 19:37 Kawa: Wow, that's one rude slider
2017-06-06 19:38 Kawa: You're suggesting I curve it to fit the stream?
2017-06-06 19:38 Secretpipe: fixes : you can either rotate the slider to another direction / curve it and make it consistent with the curve / slightly edit the curve of the slider to make something different
2017-06-06 19:38 Secretpipe: (wow feels good to mod again bfknffnkf)
2017-06-06 19:38 Kawa: Welcome back I guess :3
2017-06-06 19:38 Kawa: Hmm...
2017-06-06 19:39 Kawa: [http://i.imgur.com/plgcLBk.png Would this work?]
2017-06-06 19:40 Secretpipe: it's .. decent
2017-06-06 19:40 Secretpipe: acceptable
2017-06-06 19:40 Kawa: I think following the arc from the stream with the slider shape wouldn't emphasise the strong beat on 01:26:590 - right so changing the direction like that feels better
2017-06-06 19:41 Kawa: You don't sound so sure ;D Got any better idea?
2017-06-06 19:42 Secretpipe: I mean it's okay but it can be so much better
2017-06-06 19:42 Secretpipe: and you have to put 01:26:931 (2) - in ur pattern further
2017-06-06 19:42 Secretpipe: yea i have an idea
2017-06-06 19:42 Secretpipe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8279988
2017-06-06 19:42 Secretpipe: Something like that would better work
2017-06-06 19:43 Kawa: Dang, that looks neat
2017-06-06 19:44 Secretpipe: and so the (2) is far from 01:27:272 (1) - (there's a 1/1 gap between 01:26:931 - and 01:27:272 - )
2017-06-06 19:44 Kawa: I guess I could try changing it to that, I'll have to improve the blanketing with the other notes then
2017-06-06 19:44 Kawa: Oh yeah, that would fix the gap there too
2017-06-06 19:45 Secretpipe: not everything has to be blanket'd tho
2017-06-06 19:45 Secretpipe: haha
2017-06-06 19:45 Kawa: True, true. But I don't want any weird overlaps
2017-06-06 19:46 Secretpipe: !!
2017-06-06 19:47 Kawa: Alright, marked that too
2017-06-06 19:47 Secretpipe: okay from 01:27:272 - until
2017-06-06 19:48 Secretpipe: 01:48:920 -
2017-06-06 19:48 Secretpipe: you have a generic issue
2017-06-06 19:48 Secretpipe: in your opinion what's wrong with
2017-06-06 19:48 Secretpipe: ???1
2017-06-06 19:48 Secretpipe: 01:27:784 (2,3,4,5) -
2017-06-06 19:49 Kawa: The patterns look plain and the beat emphasis is too small/not obvious? :o
2017-06-06 19:49 Secretpipe: ding ding
2017-06-06 19:49 Secretpipe: correct
2017-06-06 19:49 Kawa: \:D/
2017-06-06 19:49 Kawa: Wait, correct on which part
2017-06-06 19:49 Secretpipe: playability feels weird and 01:28:295 (5) - aint emphasized!
2017-06-06 19:49 Secretpipe: correct on errythin
2017-06-06 19:50 Kawa: Dang
2017-06-06 19:50 Secretpipe: fix idea: stuff like that is much "enjoyable" / "natural to play" and the emphasis is here
2017-06-06 19:50 Secretpipe: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8280046
2017-06-06 19:51 Kawa: Wouldn't I have to change the 01:28:636 (1) - slider to fit the flow then? Or does the triple work well enough?
2017-06-06 19:52 Kawa: But yeah, this actually does work much better
2017-06-06 19:52 Secretpipe: that triple+slider is fine
2017-06-06 19:52 Secretpipe: but same problem here http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8280046
2017-06-06 19:52 Secretpipe: oops
2017-06-06 19:52 Secretpipe: same problem her e: 01:28:977 (2) -
2017-06-06 19:53 Secretpipe: it's equally distanced from 01:28:636 (1) - and 01:29:318 (3) -
2017-06-06 19:53 Secretpipe: and it has to be
2017-06-06 19:53 Secretpipe: emphasiiiiiiized
2017-06-06 19:53 Secretpipe: since it's a K I C K
2017-06-06 19:54 Secretpipe: 01:29:659 (5) - here u did it well but it's still a bit low
2017-06-06 19:54 Kawa: I'm not sure if I should be emphasizing kicks or snares more ^^; Or should they both be equal?
2017-06-06 19:54 Secretpipe: 01:31:022 (4) - that one was okay
2017-06-06 19:54 Secretpipe: kicks are importanter
2017-06-06 19:54 Kawa: Alright, I see
2017-06-06 19:55 Secretpipe: consider that there are kicks non emphasized till 01:48:920 -
2017-06-06 19:55 Secretpipe: consider to apply all the stuff i've been listin from today and then we'll see! :D
2017-06-06 19:55 Secretpipe: let's just proceed step by step
2017-06-06 19:56 Kawa: What about this part? 01:34:090 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
2017-06-06 19:56 Kawa: With the kick on 01:34:943 (6) - and snare on 01:35:113 (7) -
2017-06-06 19:56 Kawa: Should these be bigger too?
2017-06-06 19:56 Secretpipe: well that pattern is special , you made it for its shape
2017-06-06 19:57 Secretpipe: leave it , it's okay!
2017-06-06 19:57 Kawa: Pretty much, yeah
2017-06-06 19:57 Kawa: Okay!
2017-06-06 19:57 Kawa: One more question!
2017-06-06 19:57 Secretpipe: gogogo
2017-06-06 19:57 Kawa: I don't really like the way this looks 01:30:511 (2,3,4) - but I don't want to ruin the pattern too much. What's your opinion on it?
2017-06-06 19:58 Kawa: Especially this note 01:30:511 (2) -
2017-06-06 19:59 Secretpipe: hmm
2017-06-06 20:01 Secretpipe: got it
2017-06-06 20:02 Secretpipe: what do you think ?
2017-06-06 20:02 Secretpipe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8280147
2017-06-06 20:02 Secretpipe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8280153
2017-06-06 20:02 Secretpipe: it plays so nice here
2017-06-06 20:02 Kawa: That definitely looks a lot better o.o
2017-06-06 20:03 Secretpipe: my messages weren't send
2017-06-06 20:03 Kawa: Alright, I'll try to change it into something similar to that!
2017-06-06 20:03 Secretpipe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8280147
2017-06-06 20:03 Secretpipe: and
2017-06-06 20:03 Secretpipe: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8280153
2017-06-06 20:04 Kawa: Yeah, I saw
2017-06-06 20:04 Kawa: They were sent, don't worry~
2017-06-06 20:04 Secretpipe: o nice
2017-06-06 20:05 Kawa: Okay, so I'll try to work on emphasizing the kicks and snares more and once that's done, I'll fix this pattern too
2017-06-06 20:05 Secretpipe: gud attitude
2017-06-06 20:05 Secretpipe: :D
2017-06-06 20:06 Kawa: And maybe I'll fix some plain jump patterns too if I come up with something better
2017-06-06 20:06 Kawa: 01:32:045 (4,5,6,7) - Especially this one
2017-06-06 20:07 Secretpipe: yea!
Rizen
personally not fond of the cymbal crash hitsound for normal-hitfinish and soft-hitfinish. I suggset something softer like this. I think would compliment the song nicer

any way to make the storyboard compatible with 4:3 resolution users? Just have to move the collaber names at the bottom right a little more to the left so it doesn't get cut

Endless
  1. 00:15:511 (5,6) - you usually make the vocals clickable so perhaps you can ctrl+g rhythm here to make it into a slider then circle (vocals clickable). same at 00:18:238 (3,4) -
  2. 00:21:477 (3) - ctrl+g this slider? I don't think the increase in spacing between sliders 2 and 3 is very fitting especially for such a soft part of the song
  3. 01:08:693 (2) - sounds like you're making your own rhythm here, which isn't a very good idea for a rhythm game... I can't really hear any audible beats on the red tick but I do hear something on the white tick.
  4. 01:09:375 (4) - sounds overmapped, no sound in the music to support this circle. applies to next couple of ones too since it appears you're reusing the rhythm pattern
  5. 01:15:000 (1,2) - ^ a 1/1 slider would fit better imo
  6. 01:25:056 (4) - I see an 'increasing spacing' concept here but the increase isn't very consistent. Try moving this somewhere like x:272 y:68 to smooth it out
  7. 01:44:232 - perhaps add a circle here for consistency with 01:38:778 (3) - ?
  8. 02:01:704 (2) - don't you usually space out claps? inconsistent spacing concept with 01:54:886 (2,3) -
  9. 02:30:852 (3) - seems terribly offtimed here...
  10. 04:05:028 (8,9) - careful with spacing here? differs from usual 0.8x because of stacking at 04:05:113 (9,1) -
  11. 04:33:068 (2,3,4) - even out spacing here? would look better than having a slight spacing variation here tbh
  12. 04:36:392 (4,5) - suggest custom stacking because auto stacking is causing this to look funky (goes back on itself)


very lovely storyboard, song, and map. I wish you good luck on getting this ranked!
Topic Starter
Kawa

Rizen wrote:

personally not fond of the cymbal crash hitsound for normal-hitfinish and soft-hitfinish. I suggset something softer like this. I think would compliment the song nicer
Thank you, this is perfect! Swapped both normal- and soft-hitfinish with your sample

any way to make the storyboard compatible with 4:3 resolution users? Just have to move the collaber names at the bottom right a little more to the left so it doesn't get cut
I've previously aligned the lyrics to 4:3 resolution, not sure why it didn't cross my mind to do the same for the collab names. Fixed!

Endless
  1. 01:08:693 (2) - sounds like you're making your own rhythm here, which isn't a very good idea for a rhythm game... I can't really hear any audible beats on the red tick but I do hear something on the white tick.
  2. 01:09:375 (4) - sounds overmapped, no sound in the music to support this circle. applies to next couple of ones too since it appears you're reusing the rhythm pattern
  3. 01:15:000 (1,2) - ^ a 1/1 slider would fit better imo
    These three points make a lot of sense and made me rethink my view on the section between 01:05:454 - and 01:21:818 - . So I remapped it into a simpler rhythm that follows the background beats while still applying what you mentioned.
  4. 01:25:056 (4) - I see an 'increasing spacing' concept here but the increase isn't very consistent. Try moving this somewhere like x:272 y:68 to smooth it out
    Seems fair, moved to the same position as 01:26:931 (2) -
  5. 01:44:232 - perhaps add a circle here for consistency with 01:38:778 (3) - ?
    I suppose having a 1/2 gap there feels a bit off, added a circle


Any points not mentioned here will be checked by Hathz once he comes online~

very lovely storyboard, song, and map. I wish you good luck on getting this ranked!
Thanks a lot!
Hathz

Rizen wrote:

Endless
  1. 00:15:511 (5,6) - you usually make the vocals clickable so perhaps you can ctrl+g rhythm here to make it into a slider then circle (vocals clickable). same at 00:18:238 (3,4) - I prefer to have it follow the drums
  2. 00:21:477 (3) - ctrl+g this slider? I don't think the increase in spacing between sliders 2 and 3 is very fitting especially for such a soft part of the song Fair enough
  3. 02:01:704 (2) - don't you usually space out claps? inconsistent spacing concept with 01:54:886 (2,3) - Da yo neeeeee
  4. 02:30:852 (3) - seems terribly offtimed here... Yep
  5. 04:05:028 (8,9) - careful with spacing here? differs from usual 0.8x because of stacking at 04:05:113 (9,1) - Fixed
  6. 04:33:068 (2,3,4) - even out spacing here? would look better than having a slight spacing variation here tbh Fixed
  7. 04:36:392 (4,5) - suggest custom stacking because auto stacking is causing this to look funky (goes back on itself) Stack'd


Thanks.
Sidetail
[general]
for blur.jpg, and mblur.jpg why don't you try 80% jpg compression with programs like paint.net. current adds up to 800kb while converted files can be at around 200kb.

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00:34:602 (2) - would be nice if this was two clickable just like part before 00:33:238 (2,3) - . Shaker is still there so good to emphasize that
01:09:886 (4,5) - would be better off using 01:07:159 (2) - imo for simplicity
01:20:795 (4,5) - ^
01:37:414 (4) - two clickable would be nicer to play as just a note before 01:36:477 (5,6,1) - was same. works better with circles from my perspective. also though suddenly introducing 1/4 slider like that seemed out of place. As a comparison 06:21:051 (2) - this one also uses 1/4 like current but has hi-hat sound which is just more than a single beat like kick, thus they are different.
03:13:636 (1,2) - blue tick should've been clickable just like 03:07:840 (4,5,1) - . This part is more of a identical repeat of previous part and implemented slightly differently which is weird.
03:35:795 (1) - start spinner at 03:35:539 - since there isn't really distinctive sound that current spinner is mapped to. Might as well give players more time to spin
04:24:204 (4,5) - stack feels better with this
04:36:392 (4,5) - would just follow the style what you had before
05:21:839 (1) - unsnapped? if on purpose, use red tick for better control rather than let it hang on static bpm
05:25:546 (1,1) - ^

Overall, it is very well made, including SB. however it would be nicer if you used a combo colour that doesn't blend in with bg.
as an example, that blends in to well with bg and I have hard time viewing it. (I am colourblind) and rule states that:
Each map must use at least two different custom combo colors unless the default skin is forced. The combo colors must not blend with the map's background/storyboard/video in any case. This is so hit objects are always visible to the player and custom skin's combo colors do not blend with the background accidentally.
Hope that helps.
Topic Starter
Kawa

Sidetail wrote:

[general]
for blur.jpg, and mblur.jpg why don't you try 80% jpg compression with programs like paint.net. current adds up to 800kb while converted files can be at around 200kb.
Good point! Used 85% jpg compression to decrease total filesize of the two from 779kb to 147kb with no noticeable loss in quality.

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01:09:886 (4,5) - would be better off using 01:07:159 (2) - imo for simplicity
I went with your suggestion for now because it's better than what I did (it fixes the previous 3/4 gaps between objects) but it now feels rather monotonous. Will leave it like this unless I come up with something better soon.
01:20:795 (4,5) - ^ Same as above
01:37:414 (4) - two clickable would be nicer to play as just a note before 01:36:477 (5,6,1) - was same. works better with circles from my perspective. also though suddenly introducing 1/4 slider like that seemed out of place. As a comparison 06:21:051 (2) - this one also uses 1/4 like current but has hi-hat sound which is just more than a single beat like kick, thus they are different.
This part has been brought up before but you make a valid point. Changed the 1/4 slider into 2 circles and changed the pattern a bit
03:35:795 (1) - start spinner at 03:35:539 - since there isn't really distinctive sound that current spinner is mapped to. Might as well give players more time to spin
Sounds fair, changed~
04:24:204 (4,5) - stack feels better with this
Changed the entire pattern before it (04:22:840 (5,6,1,2,3) - ) a bit and stacked 4,5
05:21:839 (1) - unsnapped? if on purpose, use red tick for better control rather than let it hang on static bpm
I'm.... not sure how that was unsnapped... Fixed!
05:25:546 (1,1) - ^
I'll leave this the way it is for now because I'm not entirely sure whether all the parts using these exact 3 notes following the same sound are snapped right at all but I'll ask around and hopefully get it fixed soon.


Overall, it is very well made, including SB. however it would be nicer if you used a combo colour that doesn't blend in with bg.
as an example, that blends in to well with bg and I have hard time viewing it. (I am colourblind) and rule states that:
Each map must use at least two different custom combo colors unless the default skin is forced. The combo colors must not blend with the map's background/storyboard/video in any case. This is so hit objects are always visible to the player and custom skin's combo colors do not blend with the background accidentally.
Decreased the color luminosity on all combo colors a bit so they're slightly darker. I generally prefer to use a tad lighter colors since the majority of the player-base plays with a fully dimmed background. If you plan on rechecking this, let me know if the colors are any better now or if they still need adjusting~

Hope that helps. Sure did!
Any points not mentioned here will be addressed by Hathz once he comes online

Thanks for modding! :)

EDIT: Resnapped a bunch of notes from 1/16 to 1/4.
Hathz

Sidetail wrote:

[general]

[endless]
00:34:602 (2) - would be nice if this was two clickable just like part before 00:33:238 (2,3) - . Shaker is still there so good to emphasize that Fixed
03:13:636 (1,2) - blue tick should've been clickable just like 03:07:840 (4,5,1) - . This part is more of a identical repeat of previous part and implemented slightly differently which is weird. Fixed
04:36:392 (4,5) - would just follow the style what you had before Manual stack here

Thanks
Cherry Blossom
Hi, from my modding queue.

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  • Kawa
  1. 01:09:545 (3) - here i don't get why the distance after and before this circle is different. The distance is higher before. But it's the other way around with 01:12:273 (4) - when the sound which is introduced, so 01:12:614 - and 01:09:886 - is the same. The spacing here looks a little messy i guess, it would be better if you make things consistent = the same kind of emphasis = higheror equal distance before or after for both cases.
  2. 01:20:795 (4,5) - same case as ^, you used the same spacing for 01:07:159 (2,3) - and 01:09:886 (4,5) - which is 1.70, and the same spacing for 01:12:614 (5,6) - and 01:18:068 (5,6) - which is 2.0, but you reduce the spacing for 01:20:795 (4,5) - , if the spacing for these notes was supposed to increase each 2 times, the distance between 01:20:795 (4,5) - should be higher.
  3. 01:42:102 (6,1) - I'd suggest you to unstack here. Stacking objects as you did here is kind of slowdown on a section which is played with a "linear" flow, by linear i mean there is no stacked objects before as you did for 01:42:102 (6,1) - . This would give a better impression if you avoid it.
  4. 02:42:784 (3,4,5) - A person (if she's still alive) would tell you her theory about this kind of issue here. Well, to resume, one of the strongest notes of what i mentioned is 02:43:295 (6) - which is supposed to have the clap hitsound is currently followed by a sliderend, and it should be played by a sliderstart or a circle to make it emphasized better. It doesn't really sound right in everything if the clap hitsound is played by a sliderend, it's something which applies to everything. Well, just to say, instead of using a slider for 02:43:125 (5) - , use 2 circles.
  5. 03:04:602 (4) - I can say the same thing with this reversed slider. The note on the blue tick is really strong and it sounds weird to skip it or just make it followed by a reverse arrow. It will be better if you put a triple, instead of a reversed slider here.
  6. 03:43:636 (1,2) - I find it a little weird that the distance between them looks the same as 03:44:318 (3,4) - visually, but the gap is different (1/4 and 1/2) and that could be a little confusing, when everything before was not that difficult to read. Consider increasing the distance between 03:44:318 (3,4) - or reducing the spacing between 03:43:636 (1,2) - to make things better to read and not that ambiguous.
  7. 04:26:761 (7,1) - Concerning aesthetics, you should try to avoid weird and ugly overlaps when you can do it easily without breaking the current structure of your patterns. So your patterns will look more cute and neat if you move this objects 04:27:272 (1) - (and maybe 2-3 other objects after) on the left.


    Hathz
  8. 00:25:738 (5,6,1) - The slider (1) is straight, so it would be better for visual if these objects 00:25:738 (5,6,1) - are straight and not curved. Well, it's just my opinion.
  9. 00:31:022 (4) - I don't really find that it is a good idea to stack the sliderend and 00:31:278 (5,1) - . Visually this looks same as 00:24:545 (1,2) - but there is a circle between these sliders. Maybe confusing ? not really, but concerning the style, it would be better to unstack 00:31:278 (5,1) - from 00:31:022 (4) - . You still can make them overlapped.
  10. 01:59:829 (6,1) - this should not be an antijump here, because the note on 02:00:000 - is really strong and deserves to be emphasized better, so using a higher distance between 02:00:000 (1) - instead of a lower is more suitable, as you did for 02:02:386 (5) - for example.
  11. 02:11:931 (6,7,1) - this kind of motion could be improved if you reduce the angle between them (move 02:12:272 (1) - upward) to create a lower angle and make this motion more comfortable to play.
  12. 02:30:681 (1,2,3) - i don't really get what you tried to follow here, this looks snapped to a beat time divisor which must be avoided to follow things that sound offbeat. Plus 02:30:823 (2) - doesn't follow anything actually, there's no clear note in the song to allow you to use 1/12 to follow something that is snapped to nothing. So 02:30:823 (2) - must be deleted. A 3/4 slider (starts on white and end on blue after the red tick) suits better than the 3 circles. if you need help, just try this instead
  13. 03:07:840 (4,5,1) - This kind of motion could be improved too. The current direction of 03:07:840 (4) - is the opposite of the next patterns, and it fits better if you reverse it like
  14. 06:21:818 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I find it a little weird that this pattern doesn't contain any jump, compared to previous and next patterns. It would give a better impression if you try to make things consistent, so if you keep the difficulty consistent. This pattern should have some jump between sliders or circles.


Good Luck ~
Topic Starter
Kawa

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Hi, from my modding queue.
Hiya! Sorry 'bout my late reply...

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  • Kawa
  1. 01:09:545 (3) - here i don't get why the distance after and before this circle is different. The distance is higher before. But it's the other way around with 01:12:273 (4) - when the sound which is introduced, so 01:12:614 - and 01:09:886 - is the same. The spacing here looks a little messy i guess, it would be better if you make things consistent = the same kind of emphasis = higheror equal distance before or after for both cases.
    That was a spacing mistake on my part, normalized spacing on several notes. The fixed circles now have consistent 1.32x spacing before and after them
  2. 01:20:795 (4,5) - same case as ^, you used the same spacing for 01:07:159 (2,3) - and 01:09:886 (4,5) - which is 1.70, and the same spacing for 01:12:614 (5,6) - and 01:18:068 (5,6) - which is 2.0, but you reduce the spacing for 01:20:795 (4,5) - , if the spacing for these notes was supposed to increase each 2 times, the distance between 01:20:795 (4,5) - should be higher.
    I hope I understood this correctly... changed the spacing on all these slider->circle repetitions to roughly 1.72x. It wasn't meant to be gradually increasing
  3. 01:42:102 (6,1) - I'd suggest you to unstack here. Stacking objects as you did here is kind of slowdown on a section which is played with a "linear" flow, by linear i mean there is no stacked objects before as you did for 01:42:102 (6,1) - . This would give a better impression if you avoid it.
    Good point, unstacked and reworked pattern to keep the same circular flow
  4. 02:42:784 (3,4,5) - A person (if she's still alive) would tell you her theory about this kind of issue here. Well, to resume, one of the strongest notes of what i mentioned is 02:43:295 (6) - which is supposed to have the clap hitsound is currently followed by a sliderend, and it should be played by a sliderstart or a circle to make it emphasized better. It doesn't really sound right in everything if the clap hitsound is played by a sliderend, it's something which applies to everything. Well, just to say, instead of using a slider for 02:43:125 (5) - , use 2 circles.
    Sounds about right, changed the pattern a bit, terminated the slider and replaced it with 2 circles
  5. 03:04:602 (4) - I can say the same thing with this reversed slider. The note on the blue tick is really strong and it sounds weird to skip it or just make it followed by a reverse arrow. It will be better if you put a triple, instead of a reversed slider here.
    I figured a reverse slider would add more diversity but I suppose proper emphasis takes priority
  6. 03:43:636 (1,2) - I find it a little weird that the distance between them looks the same as 03:44:318 (3,4) - visually, but the gap is different (1/4 and 1/2) and that could be a little confusing, when everything before was not that difficult to read. Consider increasing the distance between 03:44:318 (3,4) - or reducing the spacing between 03:43:636 (1,2) - to make things better to read and not that ambiguous.
    Reduced the spacing between 03:43:636 (1,2) - since it was too high for a 1/4 gap for a non-intense part
  7. 04:26:761 (7,1) - Concerning aesthetics, you should try to avoid weird and ugly overlaps when you can do it easily without breaking the current structure of your patterns. So your patterns will look more cute and neat if you move this objects 04:27:272 (1) - (and maybe 2-3 other objects after) on the left.
    Moved 04:27:272 (1,2,3,4) - to the left and rotated slightly but I'm afraid I can't do much about the overlap between 04:27:272 (1,3) - without either breaking the spacing or changing the pattern/flow too much.


Good Luck ~

Any points not mentioned here will be addressed by Hathz once he comes online


Thank you! :)
Hathz

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Endless

  1. 00:25:738 (5,6,1) - The slider (1) is straight, so it would be better for visual if these objects 00:25:738 (5,6,1) - are straight and not curved. Well, it's just my opinion. Fixed
  2. 00:31:022 (4) - I don't really find that it is a good idea to stack the sliderend and 00:31:278 (5,1) - . Visually this looks same as 00:24:545 (1,2) - but there is a circle between these sliders. Maybe confusing ? not really, but concerning the style, it would be better to unstack 00:31:278 (5,1) - from 00:31:022 (4) - . You still can make them overlapped. Sure makes sense
  3. 01:59:829 (6,1) - this should not be an antijump here, because the note on 02:00:000 - is really strong and deserves to be emphasized better, so using a higher distance between 02:00:000 (1) - instead of a lower is more suitable, as you did for 02:02:386 (5) - for example. Fixed
  4. 02:11:931 (6,7,1) - this kind of motion could be improved if you reduce the angle between them (move 02:12:272 (1) - upward) to create a lower angle and make this motion more comfortable to play. Fixed
  5. 02:30:681 (1,2,3) - i don't really get what you tried to follow here, this looks snapped to a beat time divisor which must be avoided to follow things that sound offbeat. Plus 02:30:823 (2) - doesn't follow anything actually, there's no clear note in the song to allow you to use 1/12 to follow something that is snapped to nothing. So 02:30:823 (2) - must be deleted. A 3/4 slider (starts on white and end on blue after the red tick) suits better than the 3 circles. if you need help, just try this instead
    Sure, thanks
  6. 03:07:840 (4,5,1) - This kind of motion could be improved too. The current direction of 03:07:840 (4) - is the opposite of the next patterns, and it fits better if you reverse it like
    Aye
  7. 06:21:818 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I find it a little weird that this pattern doesn't contain any jump, compared to previous and next patterns. It would give a better impression if you try to make things consistent, so if you keep the difficulty consistent. This pattern should have some jump between sliders or circles.:thinking:
Thanks.
Reazen
BNs? Where are BNs?? wtf.
Great map :) I am playing this everyday idk why xD
Playable storyboard <333333
+kudos ( Kudos matters right?.. right?..)
Topic Starter
Kawa

Reazen wrote:

BNs? Where are BNs?? wtf.
Great map :) I am playing this everyday idk why xD
Playable storyboard <333333
+kudos ( Kudos matters right?.. right?..)
Thank you! The BNs are all hiding somewhere far, far away... ;w;
Kawashiro
hello there! glad to meet u! i am kawa too :3
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  1. 03:44:318 (3) - hmm, skipping 03:44:659 - this sound seems not a good idea. how about use same beats at 03:38:693 (2,3,4,5,6) - here?
  2. 03:48:068 (2) - same as above. u can hear sounds at 03:48:323 - here too. maybe u can use 3circle stream at here
  3. 03:50:795 (2) - following vocal seems bad idea. cuz only there used 1/3. and u didn't used 1/3 at 03:52:159 - here even this point has same vocal beat
  4. 04:11:420 (3,4,1) - that also weird. pretty weird. at first, 04:11:590 - you skipped here even it has vocal and hi-hat sounds. and you should know 04:11:420 (3,4) - these part isn't same as like 04:13:977 (2,3) - here. and 04:12:102 - here also have hi-hat. how about just use simple 1/2 beats?
  5. 04:29:147 (4,5) - this should be 1/1 slider like 04:23:693 (3) - this?


btw did u make this sb? i rly luv it XD

GL ></
Topic Starter
Kawa

Kawashiro wrote:

hello there! glad to meet u! i am kawa too :3
Hello there fellow Kawa person o3o/ Just so we're clear here, I'm the real Kawa!
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  1. Cool mod


btw did u make this sb? i rly luv it XD
I did! I'm glad you like it~
GL ></
Thanks for modding! I'll make sure to leave a full proper reply once I get back home from a trip on 24.9.2017.
I checked your points really quick and most of them make sense~ I'll fix everything and leave feedback once I come back :3

Thanks for your patience and sorry for keeping you waiting!
Renumi
that storyboard is so beautiful, i really hope you get this to approval sometime ;o;7
Hathz

Kawashiro wrote:

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  1. 04:11:420 (3,4,1) - that also weird. pretty weird. at first, 04:11:590 - you skipped here even it has vocal and hi-hat sounds. and you should know 04:11:420 (3,4) - these part isn't same as like 04:13:977 (2,3) - here. and 04:12:102 - here also have hi-hat. how about just use simple 1/2 beats? Changed slightly.
Thank you.
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