m-flo + daoko - IRONY (el poco maro Remix)

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Hathz

Trynna wrote:

daoko is my gurl bae

  1. 00:02:727 (1,4) - aesthetics hurts, maybe you would like to just put the middle of 00:03:750 (4) - overlapping the 00:02:727 (1) - slider tail, just to avoid the eyes bleed example thing sure
  2. 00:04:090 (5,6) - when you consider 00:04:261 - and 00:04:602 - being pretty similar, you might want to switch them. Indeed this is triggering me, mainly cuz 00:04:090 (5,6,7,8) - looks way too generic or something and looks like following nothing when the vocal calls for something different however, on 00:04:431 (6) there is a clap which I don't want to map with a slider-end, and in general I think this follows the song okay
  3. 00:15:000 (1) - maybe would be nic to avoid this NC since you were following it at every 2 [big white ticks] (yea i hate to say this) on the calm part. Examples: 00:04:090 (5) - 00:06:818 (4) - etc. The same goes to 00:17:727 (1) - oops missed that
  4. 00:26:931 (5) - i'd decrease the y value by 1 just to make the 00:26:761 (4) - approach get into the middle of the slider and stuff, something like 16 | 204 should work, but it's just way too nazi, up to you Well I mean, whatever :D
  5. 00:28:636 (1,2) - as i pointed before, i'd switch them, the notes here are not following the vocal well, you already did it on patterns like these 00:26:250 (2,3) - too, just pointing out to give examples lol But again the drum clap would end up on the slider-end
  6. 01:51:818 (1,2) - i really dislike the way these are so close from each other, you know, player will not get at the slider tail and then come back to this circle, the player will come close to the slider tail and then hit the circle, which makes it a bit weird I'm not sure I agree on that, but mended the blanket a bit anyway~
  7. 02:21:818 (1,2,3) - the spacing difference and the overlap on 02:21:306 (5) - (editor only, not applied to gameplay) makes it weird aesthetically, maybe if you do something like this it can be at the middle of 02:21:306 (5,7) - and with the same spacing Fixed that part a bit
  8. 02:23:863 - i kinda dislike avoiding this sound, is just strong enough Fixed... something? .3.
  9. 02:49:772 (1) - why nc? same to 02:51:818 (1) - and 02:54:034 (1) - oops? (x
  10. 05:04:090 (1,2,1,2) - just a suggestion but maybe this would be cool since 05:04:602 (2) - looks pretty random actually Sure that looks better

Trynna wrote:

Kawa's response:
  1. 01:26:250 (1) - is this really necessary? like, you were doing 4 combo on the slider section and on the 1/2 jumps section, but they actually looks like "oh ok, it can be splitted to create a better pattern and stuff" but the stream really looks like something homogeneous
    Removed NC
  2. 01:34:090 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this looks just mess. making a cool and clean pattern like this isn't that hard, just copy the first 2 circles and then ctrl shit r rotate by 120º. Actually 01:34:431 (3,4,5,6) - looks almost the same thing
    Easier way would be just using CTRL + Shift + D with 6 points (which is what I did to fix it now)
    but 01:34:090 (1,2) - is just a pain to see, it actually makes the pattern weird and linear, which is not a gameplay problem since the notes are close, but still
    Stacked 01:34:005 (5,1) - on the sliderend and changed the following pattern to emphasize beats with larger spacing, which in turn removes the linear movement
Thank you for the mod.
Net0
Normal mod from my queue :)

[General]
  1. You probably want to mute the sliders-slide or make them sound lower. Personal opinion here, but they stand out a lot in some points of the song; like the first main verse 00:21:818 - ~
[ Endless ]

  • About the intro 00:00:000 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2) – I have a few suggestions to improve mostly the spacing consistency. It doesn’t really affect that much in gameplay, but can provide more polishment.
  1. I believe that this sliders overlaps 00:01:363 (4,6) - /00:01:363 (4,1) -/00:02:727 (1,4) – could be avoided, considering how you mapped the same section afterwards 00:12:272 (4,6) - /00:12:272 (4,1) - . This won’t need major modifications, probably keeping it all linear wise flow and changing a bit the slider shapes could be enough to improve this.
  2. About this intro I also recommend improving the spacing consistency of stacks. The rhythm on this first intro has basically two major gaps; 00:00:511 (2,3) – gaps that are 1/1 + ½ beats away from each other object and gaps that are only 1/1 00:03:238 (2,3) – away from each other. Currently you’re making all of them stacked to stop movement and show the break on the song rhythm. That’s all correct, my suggestion tho, is about making the gaps be mapped in a slightly different way. For example, to emphasize more the break, you could make the bigger maps be mapped as full stack like they’re now, and the 1/1 gaps 00:03:238 (2,3) - be mapped as little overlaps, like this https://puu.sh/uskC8.jpg to show that they’re still breaks, but not so long as the ones from the stack. Another example of a spot you could apply the same logic is here 00:40:909 (1,1,1,1) - .
  3. 00:20:965 (1,2,3,1) – This pattern could be improved both visually and gameplay wise. First thing I’d recommend is not stacking this here 00:20:965 (1,2) - . It really breaks the consistency of how you mapped the intro about the stack logic. About the spacing and positioning I’ll suggest two alternatives; https://puu.sh/usljp.jpg on this first suggestion 00:21:136 (2) – the sliderhead of this slider is stacked with this slider end 00:20:454 (5) – and 00:20:965 (1) – is positioned under the 00:20:454 (5) - . Also the body of the sliders no longer overlap and now blanket. This idea tho has a different spacing idea from your original pattern mostly because to get this visual I had to sacrifice the consistency spacing from 00:21:136 (2,3) – to 00:21:477 (3,1) - . A similar idea could be this https://puu.sh/uslEk.jpg , also in both this suggestions I didn’t change this slider at all 00:21:477 (3) - . However if you want to keep the distance similar to your original pattern making the distance here 00:21:136 (2,3) – smaller than the distance here 00:21:477 (3,1) – try this one https://puu.sh/uslQ0.jpg instead.
  4. Rotate this slider here 00:21:818 (1) – “-3º” to improve a bit of the blanket.
  5. Are you sure about this rhythm choice here 00:31:875 (3,4,5) - ? I don’t see a reason to make the slider end here 00:32:130 – instead of the regular beat here 00:32:045 - . Making this slider 1/4 is effective in making the whole pattern stay inside the regular rhythm of white/red ticks . https://puu.sh/usmdP.jpg
  6. You could make stacks on objects that are 1/4 away from each other and while on white/red ticks 00:24:545 (1,2) - like you did here and make the blue ticks as overlap streams 00:25:823 (6,1) – like you did here to keep it more consistent and intuitive. This would imply in making all patterns like this 00:31:022 (4,5,1) – with hitcircles on blueticks never stack, but overlap, while keeping extended sliders that ends on blueticks more consistently mapped. Basically whenever it’s a extend slider idea https://puu.sh/usmxQ.jpg make an option of stack or overlap and when it’s a case of this https://puu.sh/usmAB.jpg make it mapped in a different way.
  7. Rotate this slider 01:38:863 (4) – “-15º” and the next slider 01:39:204 (5) – “+15º” to both avoid this overlap 01:38:181 (1,4) – and improve the pattern visual of this slider 01:39:204 (5) – in relation with the next two circles 01:39:545 (1,2) -
  8. A suggestion for this two sliders 02:50:454 (1,2) – is to make the sliderend of 02:50:454 (1) – positioned right in the middle of the next slider 02:50:965 (2) - . Just to show what it could look like https://puu.sh/usnoM.jpg
  9. Are you sure about decreasing the spacing at this spot here 02:52:500 (3,4,1) - ? I feel like if you want to give more emphasis to this sound here 02:53:181 (1) – you could ctrol+g this slider 02:53:181 (1) – to make it flow as the sliders before 02:51:818 (1,2) -/ 02:52:500 (3,4) -/ but this time more sharpened 02:52:840 (4,1) - .
  10. Now this really breaks the consistency of how you were dealing with extended sliders 03:05:454 (1,2) - . So far all 3/4 sliders were stacked with the next object/sliders and this one is overlap. Not sure why, since I can’t really tell if song got any different here, but it seems to me it didn’t. Just to show you that really close to this point there’s a stack of the same extended slider 03:06:818 (1,2) - and then you change once again to overlap 03:10:909 (1,2) - / 03:12:272 (1,2) - . Make a more clear decision on this chorus about either stacking them or overlapping them.
Really cool map. The design it’s simple but really well done and consistent which works great with the music. Storyboard is really cool as well. I wish good luck with this set and hope that you can find a BN soon since there isn’t much to question about this map choices.
Hathz

Net0 wrote:

[ Endless ]

  • About the intro 00:00:000 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2) – I have a few suggestions to improve mostly the spacing consistency. It doesn’t really affect that much in gameplay, but can provide more polishment. :thinking:
  1. I believe that this sliders overlaps 00:01:363 (4,6) - /00:01:363 (4,1) -/00:02:727 (1,4) – could be avoided, considering how you mapped the same section afterwards 00:12:272 (4,6) - /00:12:272 (4,1) - . This won’t need major modifications, probably keeping it all linear wise flow and changing a bit the slider shapes could be enough to improve this. While there are indeed slider overlaps, they are for the most part not actually visibly overlapping when playing. Because of this I don't see a reason to change it.
  2. About this intro I also recommend improving the spacing consistency of stacks. The rhythm on this first intro has basically two major gaps; 00:00:511 (2,3) – gaps that are 1/1 + ½ beats away from each other object and gaps that are only 1/1 00:03:238 (2,3) – away from each other. Currently you’re making all of them stacked to stop movement and show the break on the song rhythm. That’s all correct, my suggestion tho, is about making the gaps be mapped in a slightly different way. For example, to emphasize more the break, you could make the bigger maps be mapped as full stack like they’re now, and the 1/1 gaps 00:03:238 (2,3) - be mapped as little overlaps, like this https://puu.sh/uskC8.jpg to show that they’re still breaks, but not so long as the ones from the stack. Another example of a spot you could apply the same logic is here 00:40:909 (1,1,1,1) - . Fair enough.
  3. 00:20:965 (1,2,3,1) – This pattern could be improved both visually and gameplay wise. First thing I’d recommend is not stacking this here 00:20:965 (1,2) - . It really breaks the consistency of how you mapped the intro about the stack logic. About the spacing and positioning I’ll suggest two alternatives; https://puu.sh/usljp.jpg on this first suggestion 00:21:136 (2) – the sliderhead of this slider is stacked with this slider end 00:20:454 (5) – and 00:20:965 (1) – is positioned under the 00:20:454 (5) - . Also the body of the sliders no longer overlap and now blanket. This idea tho has a different spacing idea from your original pattern mostly because to get this visual I had to sacrifice the consistency spacing from 00:21:136 (2,3) – to 00:21:477 (3,1) - . A similar idea could be this https://puu.sh/uslEk.jpg , also in both this suggestions I didn’t change this slider at all 00:21:477 (3) - . However if you want to keep the distance similar to your original pattern making the distance here 00:21:136 (2,3) – smaller than the distance here 00:21:477 (3,1) – try this one https://puu.sh/uslQ0.jpg instead. Edited somewhat
  4. Rotate this slider here 00:21:818 (1) – “-3º” to improve a bit of the blanket. Le blanked fixed
  5. Are you sure about this rhythm choice here 00:31:875 (3,4,5) - ? I don’t see a reason to make the slider end here 00:32:130 – instead of the regular beat here 00:32:045 - . Making this slider 1/4 is effective in making the whole pattern stay inside the regular rhythm of white/red ticks . https://puu.sh/usmdP.jpg 1/2 plays better in my opinion.
  6. You could make stacks on objects that are 1/4 away from each other and while on white/red ticks 00:24:545 (1,2) - like you did here and make the blue ticks as overlap streams 00:25:823 (6,1) – like you did here to keep it more consistent and intuitive. This would imply in making all patterns like this 00:31:022 (4,5,1) – with hitcircles on blueticks never stack, but overlap, while keeping extended sliders that ends on blueticks more consistently mapped. Basically whenever it’s a extend slider idea https://puu.sh/usmxQ.jpg make an option of stack or overlap and when it’s a case of this https://puu.sh/usmAB.jpg make it mapped in a different way. I think putting spacing between those looks ugly, so I don't do it. Except when it might improve the flow. For now not going to change anything.
  7. A suggestion for this two sliders 02:50:454 (1,2) – is to make the sliderend of 02:50:454 (1) – positioned right in the middle of the next slider 02:50:965 (2) - . Just to show what it could look like https://puu.sh/usnoM.jpg Why not
  8. Are you sure about decreasing the spacing at this spot here 02:52:500 (3,4,1) - ? I feel like if you want to give more emphasis to this sound here 02:53:181 (1) – you could ctrol+g this slider 02:53:181 (1) – to make it flow as the sliders before 02:51:818 (1,2) -/ 02:52:500 (3,4) -/ but this time more sharpened 02:52:840 (4,1) - . Sure
  9. Now this really breaks the consistency of how you were dealing with extended sliders 03:05:454 (1,2) - . So far all 3/4 sliders were stacked with the next object/sliders and this one is overlap. Not sure why, since I can’t really tell if song got any different here, but it seems to me it didn’t. Just to show you that really close to this point there’s a stack of the same extended slider 03:06:818 (1,2) - and then you change once again to overlap 03:10:909 (1,2) - / 03:12:272 (1,2) - . Make a more clear decision on this chorus about either stacking them or overlapping them. Fixed
Really cool map. The design it’s simple but really well done and consistent which works great with the music. Storyboard is really cool as well. I wish good luck with this set and hope that you can find a BN soon since there isn’t much to question about this map choices.
Cheers
Topic Starter
Kawa

Net0 wrote:

Normal mod from my queue :)

[General]
  1. You probably want to mute the sliders-slide or make them sound lower. Personal opinion here, but they stand out a lot in some points of the song; like the first main verse 00:21:818 - ~
    Reduced the volume of soft-sliderslide.wav, that should do the trick
[ Endless ]
  1. Rotate this slider 01:38:863 (4) – “-15º” and the next slider 01:39:204 (5) – “+15º” to both avoid this overlap 01:38:181 (1,4) – and improve the pattern visual of this slider 01:39:204 (5) – in relation with the next two circles 01:39:545 (1,2) -
    Good idea, did exactly that! (That overlap was bugging me anyways, not sure why I didn't change it sooner...)
Really cool map. The design it’s simple but really well done and consistent which works great with the music. Storyboard is really cool as well. I wish good luck with this set and hope that you can find a BN soon since there isn’t much to question about this map choices.
Thank you! Quite a lot of work has been put into it ^^; I'd prefer to get a couple more mods before I start chasing after BNs, I always feel like something could still be improved.
Thanks for the mod! o/
Lumario
Nice Storyboard (^-^)
Warpyc
ayy from queue

Gotta say this storyboard is really something else, easily rivals some of the best ones I know like EOS and Sweet Dreams. Outright amazing


  • Hantz


    00:06:818 (4) - I would curve this slightly and then ctrl+j 00:07:329 (6) - that just feels smoother and looks better imo. Something like this https://puu.sh/uEj0q/9b5f4bdc18.png

    00:08:181 (1,2) - I feel like these two sliders represent two very different sounds but look the same, from looking how you mapped it before I'd try to curve 00:08:693 (2) - slightly so it feels a bit softer

    00:13:636 (1,2) - ^ symmetry is nice and all but doesn't really feel right

    00:21:136 (2,3) - I would lower the hitsounds on the sliderends slightly sounds a bit weird otherwise

    00:25:227 (3,4) - spacing between these feels kind of odd in this section feels like you have to slow down a lot to hit it, I'm not quite sure why though it might be the shallow angle

    00:31:960 (4) - wouldn't it play better if you remove it and just placed a triple here like this https://puu.sh/uEjAP/1492d38d3d.png

    00:32:556 (7,1) - why so low spacing? Honestly, it feels like you could ctrl+g the whole slider at 00:32:727 (1) - and it would be fine

    00:42:975 (3) - I think you should snap this to the white tick since you did it over at 00:53:863 (1) -

    01:54:545 (1,3) - nazi but just mirror 01:54:545 (1) - and palce it on 01:55:056 (3) - just like you did at 01:55:568 (5,1) -

    02:03:409 (3) - to me sounds like the vocals starts at 02:03:323 -

    02:06:136 (2) - ctrl+j

    02:30:681 (2,3,4,5) - this just doesn't follow the vocal very well at all sounds like it's quite off, idk what I'd do here but vocals definitely aren't snapped accurately

    03:15:681 (2,3,4,5,1) - Feels pretty messy, overlaps are forced 03:15:852 (3,4) - should have larger spacing between them 03:16:193 (5) - doesn't have a strong beat on it so I'd make it lower spacing

    04:12:045 (1) - snapping is off and it makes it sound really weird

    04:17:727 (1) - you should probably overlap it with the sliderend of 04:17:386 (4) - for consistency

    04:18:750 (4,5) - either make spacing between them bigger or extend 04:18:750 (4) - to the blue tick

    05:52:500 (1,2) - is the exact same sound/rhythm as 05:51:477 (4,1,2) - yet mapped entierly different

    06:08:181 (1,2) - not quite sure why you went with mapping it in this way since rn the spacing between these notes are much smaller than they are between 06:08:352 (2,3) - and at least from what I hear they're the same importance in the music. I think some kind of polygon pattern would work fine here, something similar to this 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -

    06:55:909 (1,2) - Feels very weird, I'd ctrl+g the second slider

    06:56:590 (3,4) - there sliders also feel a bit weird I'd decrease spacing and once again ctrl+g the second slider

    07:04:431 (2,1,2) - this pause feels odd, I'd probably make 07:04:431 (2) - into a slider to fix it

  • Kawa


    01:15:596 (4) - This slider is a bit odd, it feels pretty weird to play and you're missing a piano note at 01:15:681 - or whatever that sound is

    01:25:909 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - What is up with the placement of this stream, following the flow it should be positioned somewhere on the right side. right now it's pretty much a 90-degree angle that also decreases in spacing, feels very off. I'd change it to something like this https://puu.sh/uEkmt/b24a5ef58e.png

    02:38:693 (2,3,4,5,6) - I've noticed this quite a bit actually, sometimes it feels like the spacing is really big between these and sometimes really small. Not sure if it's worth trying to normalise the spacing but just an observation

    04:32:386 (8,9) - Spacing is way too low between these two considering how big it is between 04:32:215 (7,8) -

    04:48:238 (3,4) - shouldn't these be stacked on top of 04:48:409 (5) - feels very inconsistent otherwise


Good luck with the map, love the storyboard!
also excuse me if I placed suggestions on the wrong person too lazy to double check
Topic Starter
Kawa

Lumario wrote:

Nice Storyboard (^-^)
o/

Warpyc wrote:

ayy from queue

Gotta say this storyboard is really something else, easily rivals some of the best ones I know like EOS and Sweet Dreams. Outright amazing
Thank you! But I'm nowhere near the level of all those amazing storyboarders ^^; I still have a lot left to learn...


  • Hantz Hmmm... 🤔
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Kawa


01:15:596 (4) - This slider is a bit odd, it feels pretty weird to play and you're missing a piano note at 01:15:681 - or whatever that sound is
Removed the kinda overmapped notes & slider and just placed a hitcircle there now so it follows the 3 piano notes or whatever that sound is

01:25:909 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - What is up with the placement of this stream, following the flow it should be positioned somewhere on the right side. right now it's pretty much a 90-degree angle that also decreases in spacing, feels very off. I'd change it to something like this https://puu.sh/uEkmt/b24a5ef58e.png
Good point. Rotated stream by 180° and moved it to start at the the star pattern (similar to your suggestion)

02:38:693 (2,3,4,5,6) - I've noticed this quite a bit actually, sometimes it feels like the spacing is really big between these and sometimes really small. Not sure if it's worth trying to normalise the spacing but just an observation
I felt like emphasizing the kicks and snares in the song with higher spacing between notes. The spacing between all them was the same and plain at first until I learned about more proper beat emphasis

04:32:386 (8,9) - Spacing is way too low between these two considering how big it is between 04:32:215 (7,8) -
You're right, moved both notes a bit to decrease the 7->8 jump and increase the 8->9 one. Should be better now

04:48:238 (3,4) - shouldn't these be stacked on top of 04:48:409 (5) - feels very inconsistent otherwise
Sounds fair, stacked 3,4 on top of 5.


Good luck with the map, love the storyboard!
also excuse me if I placed suggestions on the wrong person too lazy to double check
All good here! o7
Thanks a lot for the mod! :3

I'll properly update the SB to fit the changes once I get home (and once I get the updates from Hathz Hantz)~
EDIT: Nvm, updated already
Warpyc
wait how did I fuck his name up so badly fucking lmao
Topic Starter
Kawa
It happens \:D/
Curisu
m-flo are bringing me back some of those old memories
[Storyboard]
02:05:454 - いっせーの説明不足 嘯く
02:17:727 - 繋いで線
02:28:295 - 愛の投資サイコロに任せ (should be written in Katakana)
03:42:272 - 僕は ソフト ハード
03:46:363 - ^
Topic Starter
Kawa

Curisu wrote:

m-flo are bringing me back some of those old memories
[Storyboard]
02:05:454 - いっせーの説明不足 嘯く
02:17:727 - 繋いで線
02:28:295 - 愛の投資サイコロに任せ (should be written in Katakana)
03:42:272 - 僕は ソフト ハード
03:46:363 - ^
Fixed! Thank you so much for checking! (I didn't know who to ask...)
Hopefully I didn't mess up something else
Curisu

Kawa wrote:

Fixed! Thank you so much for checking! (I didn't know who to ask...)
Hopefully I didn't mess up something else
Hmm I've been using some online lyrics sources to help me checking this and you can also do it by yourself cuz I'm pointing out some apparent mistakes. Besides those there are also some other differences between the sb and those sources, which imo is not necessary to be mentioned unless you decide to use official ver. lyrics (which I can not find it atm)

Feel free to poke me if u need a std modding
Topic Starter
Kawa
I've tried checking it like that myself but I haven't found any reliable source yet, not to mention I'm always skeptical if I did everything right.
For most of the lyrics I referred to this post with the exception of some missing lines which I tried adding myself and some fixes suggested by -Mo-.

I could actually use a std mod, but I would prefer to get the updates from Hathz for his parts first before any further modding to avoid any potential mixups. If that's okay with you
(Also I'm afraid I'm not experienced enough yet to return a proper mod ._.)
Hathz

Warpyc wrote:


  • Hantz wat


    00:06:818 (4) - I would curve this slightly and then ctrl+j 00:07:329 (6) - that just feels smoother and looks better imo. Something like this https://puu.sh/uEj0q/9b5f4bdc18.png sure

    00:08:181 (1,2) - I feel like these two sliders represent two very different sounds but look the same, from looking how you mapped it before I'd try to curve 00:08:693 (2) - slightly so it feels a bit softer sure

    00:13:636 (1,2) - ^ symmetry is nice and all but doesn't really feel right suuuure

    00:21:136 (2,3) - I would lower the hitsounds on the sliderends slightly sounds a bit weird otherwise yeah

    00:25:227 (3,4) - spacing between these feels kind of odd in this section feels like you have to slow down a lot to hit it, I'm not quite sure why though it might be the shallow angle edited slightly?

    00:31:960 (4) - wouldn't it play better if you remove it and just placed a triple here like this https://puu.sh/uEjAP/1492d38d3d.png no, i think it's fine

    00:32:556 (7,1) - why so low spacing? Honestly, it feels like you could ctrl+g the whole slider at 00:32:727 (1) - and it would be fine edited the part slightly, spacing still low (x

    00:42:975 (3) - I think you should snap this to the white tick since you did it over at 00:53:863 (1) - the thing is, I moved it because it wasn't in line with the vocals, she like slows down or something. will leave it like this for now unless some BN complains

    01:54:545 (1,3) - nazi but just mirror 01:54:545 (1) - and palce it on 01:55:056 (3) - just like you did at 01:55:568 (5,1) - uhm a bit poorly worded? not quite sure what you meant, but changed it a bit to be symmetrical

    02:03:409 (3) - to me sounds like the vocals starts at 02:03:323 - they do but i tried mapping to it and it feels weird to play, i prefer to just have it mapped to the track

    02:06:136 (2) - ctrl+j :thinking: i guess

    02:30:681 (2,3,4,5) - this just doesn't follow the vocal very well at all sounds like it's quite off, idk what I'd do here but vocals definitely aren't snapped accurately as i said before the vocals are a bit weirdly timed, but not sure what exactly to do with this for now. will leave it as it is because it plays okay imo

    03:15:681 (2,3,4,5,1) - Feels pretty messy, overlaps are forced 03:15:852 (3,4) - should have larger spacing between them 03:16:193 (5) - doesn't have a strong beat on it so I'd make it lower spacing edited spacing slightly

    04:12:045 (1) - snapping is off and it makes it sound really weird it's mapped to the vocals, seems okay to me

    04:17:727 (1) - you should probably overlap it with the sliderend of 04:17:386 (4) - for consistency yeah oops

    04:18:750 (4,5) - either make spacing between them bigger or extend 04:18:750 (4) - to the blue tick i don't think it's necessary.

    05:52:500 (1,2) - is the exact same sound/rhythm as 05:51:477 (4,1,2) - yet mapped entierly different fixed

    06:08:181 (1,2) - not quite sure why you went with mapping it in this way since rn the spacing between these notes are much smaller than they are between 06:08:352 (2,3) - and at least from what I hear they're the same importance in the music. I think some kind of polygon pattern would work fine here, something similar to this 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - imo symmetry also implies equal importance

    06:55:909 (1,2) - Feels very weird, I'd ctrl+g the second slider sure

    06:56:590 (3,4) - there sliders also feel a bit weird I'd decrease spacing and once again ctrl+g the second slider i like it this way :3

    07:04:431 (2,1,2) - this pause feels odd, I'd probably make 07:04:431 (2) - into a slider to fix it sure
Thanks!
Curisu
Knock knock

Error
Major Issue
Major Suggestion
Minor Suggestion

[General]
  1. Muting normal sliderslide?


[Overall]
  1. Sorry if I offended you, but tbh spacing could be improved to me cuz 1) Lack of consistency, which can not be explained as "random style" imo, while the song itself is having some consistentcy within every single section and 2) Seems not having a clear logic which made me a little bit worried.
    I would pointing out some of it as examples.
  2. And due to this, the map is not having a clear structure which limited the impression it brings to player.


[Hathz]
  1. 00:03:238 (2,3) - Personally it would be fine to overlap it since you have 00:00:511 (2,3)
  2. 00:03:579 (3) - would prefer removed for consistency (00:02:215 etc.)
  3. 00:04:090 (5,6,7) - following vocal it would be better by making it hitable instead of put it on slider end - https://puu.sh/uLal0/58c3c39aca.png
  4. 00:06:818 (4,5) - ^ https://puu.sh/uLart/96d7cf4b96.png not gonna repeating similar pattern within this section
  5. 00:08:181 (1,2,3) - Here comes a very harsh spacing changes, a very large jump (comparing to other spacing within the section) while the music itself do not have a harsh change to support it (The music here is almost as same as 00:02:727).
  6. 00:20:454 (5,1,2) - Maybe they do not blanket well with 00:20:454 (5,1) and 00:19:943 (3,4) having different distance while 00:20:454 (5,2) are completely overlapped.
  7. 00:21:818 (1,2,3) - Uneven spacing. With 00:22:500 (3) should not mean to be emphasized, this small distance change would be illegitimate
  8. 00:25:227 (3,4,5) - ^ tho this time 00:25:568 (4) could be emphasized(with snare)
  9. 00:25:738 (5,6,1) - the vocal rhythm issue also appears here
  10. 00:32:386 (6,7,1) - Spacing again. Emphasizing 00:32:556 (7) may not be a very good idea from my own perspective while a shorter distance between 00:32:556 (7,1) seems weird considering 1 on downbeat. Those minor spacing issue keeps appearing which would be a potential problem in further mapping.
  11. 00:33:238 (2,3,4,5) - apparently you are making a square by these notes but maybe they do not fit the music and not flow - 00:33:579 (4) seems not a very good timing to make an anti-flow and should exchange position with 5. However 00:33:238 (2,3) had a larger distance which is not that suitable, and you are having minor spacing issues again on 00:32:727 (1,2,3) orz
  12. 00:38:863 (3) - https://puu.sh/uLNRC/cf9e127506.png
  13. 00:42:975 (3,4) - Unsnapped?


[Kawa]
  1. 01:09:545 (1) - Not consistent with 01:05:965 (2) etc. on the shape of slider.
  2. 01:15:340 (2,3,4) - hmm why uneven distance
  3. 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4) - not a very good flow tbh especially the sharp angle on 01:24:204 (4,1,2)
  4. 01:29:318 (3,4,5,6) - ^
  5. 01:39:545 (1,2,3) - distance
  6. 02:12:784 (3) - ctrl+g flow
  7. 02:19:090 (1,3) - They are not symmetric/in same y axis (conflict with 02:16:363 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4))
  8. 02:32:215 - You could heard vocal singing "Da" on this point so maybe it's not a good idea to use 1 beat long slider


I think I would stop at 1st chorus because there seems to have enough example to let you understand my idea. It would be my pleasure if you can poke me via in-game PM (Usually @GMT+1 11:00~15:00) when you feel confused about the idea. (Actually I wanted to PM you before I post something here but I haven't seen you these days hmm)

No kd for this
Topic Starter
Kawa

Curisu wrote:

Knock knock
Who's there?

Error
Major Issue
Major Suggestion
Minor Suggestion

[General]
  1. Muting normal sliderslide?
    There's no normal-sliderslide in the beatmap to begin with... Unless you mean actually adding a muted one. <- *


[Overall]
  1. Sorry if I offended you, but tbh spacing could be improved to me cuz 1) Lack of consistency, which can not be explained as "random style" imo, while the song itself is having some consistentcy within every single section and 2) Seems not having a clear logic which made me a little bit worried.
    I would pointing out some of it as examples.
  2. And due to this, the map is not having a clear structure which limited the impression it brings to player.
    I'm not sure which parts this applies to since the the mapping styles change pretty often <- *


[Kawa]
  1. 01:09:545 (1) - Not consistent with 01:05:965 (2) etc. on the shape of slider.
    I guess those sharp sliders did look pretty bad... Changed shape to regular curve on 01:09:545 (1) - and 01:20:454 (1) -
  2. 01:15:340 (2,3,4) - hmm why uneven distance
    Oops, evened out spacing
  3. 01:24:545 (1,2,3,4) - not a very good flow tbh especially the sharp angle on 01:24:204 (4,1,2)
    Spread out the notes a bit and moved slightly, should be better now and the angle isn't that sharp anymore
  4. 01:29:318 (3,4,5,6) - ^
    Changed pattern on the 4 notes from weird zigzag to circluar
  5. 01:39:545 (1,2,3) - distance
    Not sure I understand. There's a snare on 01:39:886 (3) - so I previously increased the spacing between 01:39:715 (2,3) - and kept it smaller between 01:39:545 (1,2) - to emphasize it. <- *

    Also readded:

    Net0 wrote:

    1. Rotate this slider 01:38:863 (4) – “-15º” and the next slider 01:39:204 (5) – “+15º” to both avoid this overlap 01:38:181 (1,4) – and improve the pattern visual of this slider 01:39:204 (5) – in relation with the next two circles 01:39:545 (1,2) -
    because this got reverted somewhere midway for some reason....... There's ninjas after me, I swear :?

    These three points aren't my parts, I'm afraid ^^; (Paging Mr Hathz)
  6. 02:12:784 (3) - ctrl+g flow
  7. 02:19:090 (1,3) - They are not symmetric/in same y axis (conflict with 02:16:363 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4))
  8. 02:32:215 - You could heard vocal singing "Da" on this point so maybe it's not a good idea to use 1 beat long slider


I think I would stop at 1st chorus because there seems to have enough example to let you understand my idea. It would be my pleasure if you can poke me via in-game PM (Usually @GMT+1 11:00~15:00) when you feel confused about the idea. (Actually I wanted to PM you before I post something here but I haven't seen you these days hmm)
I've been on and off at random times, don't really have a fixed schedule... I'll poke you in-game about all the points marked with a * if I manage to catch you online

No kd for this If you say so :D
Thank you very much!

Edit: Changed patterns in several sections for better flow and fixed some spacing inconsistencies after another short irc mod with Curisu. Also removed soft-sliderslide.wav and soft-slidertick.wav for now
Hathz

Curisu wrote:

[Hathz]
  1. 00:03:238 (2,3) - Personally it would be fine to overlap it since you have 00:00:511 (2,3) I've changed this before from an overlap because the time between those notes in particular is shorter than the ones in your example
  2. 00:03:579 (3) - would prefer removed for consistency (00:02:215 etc.) I think it's fine because the vocal sounds a bit longer as well on that part
  3. 00:04:090 (5,6,7) - following vocal it would be better by making it hitable instead of put it on slider end - https://puu.sh/uLal0/58c3c39aca.png Fixed
  4. 00:06:818 (4,5) - ^ https://puu.sh/uLart/96d7cf4b96.png not gonna repeating similar pattern within this section ^
  5. 00:08:181 (1,2,3) - Here comes a very harsh spacing changes, a very large jump (comparing to other spacing within the section) while the music itself do not have a harsh change to support it (The music here is almost as same as 00:02:727). Fixed
  6. 00:20:454 (5,1,2) - Maybe they do not blanket well with 00:20:454 (5,1) and 00:19:943 (3,4) having different distance while 00:20:454 (5,2) are completely overlapped. Fixed some stuff
  7. 00:21:818 (1,2,3) - Uneven spacing. With 00:22:500 (3) should not mean to be emphasized, this small distance change would be illegitimate Fixed
  8. 00:25:227 (3,4,5) - ^ tho this time 00:25:568 (4) could be emphasized(with snare) The spacing difference is really minor, and there is a snare-of-sort on 4
  9. 00:25:738 (5,6,1) - the vocal rhythm issue also appears here However, I would then end up with a drum snare on a slider end. Just mapping to the drum here
  10. 00:32:386 (6,7,1) - Spacing again. Emphasizing 00:32:556 (7) may not be a very good idea from my own perspective while a shorter distance between 00:32:556 (7,1) seems weird considering 1 on downbeat. Those minor spacing issue keeps appearing which would be a potential problem in further mapping. Fixed somewhat
  11. 00:33:238 (2,3,4,5) - apparently you are making a square by these notes but maybe they do not fit the music and not flow - 00:33:579 (4) seems not a very good timing to make an anti-flow and should exchange position with 5. However 00:33:238 (2,3) had a larger distance which is not that suitable, and you are having minor spacing issues again on 00:32:727 (1,2,3) orz Squares are love, squares are life
  12. 00:38:863 (3) - https://puu.sh/uLNRC/cf9e127506.png No reason to change
  13. 00:42:975 (3,4) - Unsnapped? It's snapped on 1/16 because vocals slow down
  14. 02:19:090 (1,3) - They are not symmetric/in same y axis (conflict with 02:16:363 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4)) Well it's mirrored on both axes

Cheers
zev
  1. maybe silence that sliderslide? it's sounds kinda jarring in a calm song.
    00:08:181 (1) - stack
    00:10:056 (6,7) - ctrl+g rhythm vocals g
    00:20:454 (5) - no beat in song here, 00:20:795 - move sliderhead here? also it's a bit hard to read things there in that section with the overlaps/stacks,
    00:32:386 (6,7) - rather see those as stacks, so it doesn't nullify the bass kick emphasize on 00:31:875 (3,4) -
    02:21:477 (6,7) - ^
    00:35:965 (2) - stack
    03:15:852 (3) - x:337 y:34, better place fr jump i used scale tool
    03:50:795 (2,3) - rather would simplfy it with 1/4, 1/2 for something vague as vocals
    04:37:585 (6,8) - overmapped
  2. there are some overlaps through the whole map bothering me tht i cant just fix up with modding like 06:45:000 (1,6) -
    overlaps in the same combo are bad visually would increase quality if you try to avoid those.




bye
Topic Starter
Kawa

zev wrote:

  1. maybe silence that sliderslide? it's sounds kinda jarring in a calm song.
    I've been hearing this a lot. Added a silent soft-sliderslide.wav and normal-sliderslide.wav. Hopefully this doesn't break any regulations
    03:50:795 (2,3) - rather would simplfy it with 1/4, 1/2 for something vague as vocals
    I'm not really sure I understood what you meant here :? I replaced the short slider (3) with 2 hitcircles on 1/2 so it should be fine now
  2. there are some overlaps through the whole map bothering me tht i cant just fix up with modding like 06:45:000 (1,6) -
    overlaps in the same combo are bad visually would increase quality if you try to avoid those.
    Some slight overlaps are intentional (though I'm sure those are pretty obvious). I fixed the part you mentioned and some others I didn't really notice before, including changing the pattern at 06:52:840 (5,1,2,3,4,5) - a bit to look better. I'll pay more attention to overlaps like these in the future.

bye
o/
Thanks for modding~
Hathz

zev wrote:

  1. maybe silence that sliderslide? it's sounds kinda jarring in a calm song.
    00:08:181 (1) - stack hai
    00:10:056 (6,7) - ctrl+g rhythm vocals g not sure what you mean exactly, this is fine
    00:20:454 (5) - no beat in song here, 00:20:795 - move sliderhead here? also it's a bit hard to read things there in that section with the overlaps/stacks, 'tis matching the vocal
    00:32:386 (6,7) - rather see those as stacks, so it doesn't nullify the bass kick emphasize on 00:31:875 (3,4) - kinda kills the motion then
    02:21:477 (6,7) - ^ ^
    00:35:965 (2) - stack hai
    03:15:852 (3) - x:337 y:34, better place fr jump i used scale tool the jump's way too big then compared to the ones that follow
    04:37:585 (6,8) - overmapped heck yeah :D

bye
cheers m8
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