Satoshi with Pikachu (CV:Matsumoto Rica/Otani Ikue) - Alola!

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CrystilonZ
assuming you meant .osu, i changed timing and stuff. Read a few replies above xd
Xinely
ok bubbled
ezek
Thanks Xinelylylylyly! :3
Topic Starter
CrystilonZ
Thanks a lot for the checks and the bub nely <3
Nao Tomori
placeholdered thanks to plaudible
ur jokes r succ

[z-insane]
00:40:707 (2) - whoa a wide angle
are you sure you want to use one of those when the rest of the map is literally all sharp angles :o
00:43:648 (5) - weird to have repeat here with stronger drum sounding hitsound compared to 00:44:040 (6) -
00:59:726 - end spinner here for spinner recovery purposes

[kai's insane]
00:24:628 - the rhythm in this section does an amazing job of putting strong vocals on slider ends in a part that only has vocals =)
aka it's off by a red tick. move everything till 00:28:550 - forward a red tick and it'll sound a lot better.
00:34:824 (6) - making the slider start 00:34:824 - makes it a lot better sounding imo.
00:37:569 (5) - there's a new section in the song and you continued the same jump pattern and nc lol
00:55:216 (5,6,1) -

[hobbes2's insane]
00:25:609 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - weird to have all these vocals on slider ends =D
00:42:863 (2) - not as strong as other ones, imo 00:42:667 (1) - as slider is better rhythm here.
00:56:981 - cmon just map this, you already mapped it once ll

y'all should look at polka's diff for rhythm ideas he had the best rhythm imo x d

except this
[polka's hard]
01:15:805 (1) - nigga what the fuck is this shit
there's nothing on the head cuz the sound it follows is on the slider end of 01:15:020 (2) -
plz
01:25:020 (1) - nice larto slider are we in 2010 or something
Hobbes2
plaudible? more like applaudable
Plaudible
hobbes no
Hobbes2
fixed everything

@cryst could you fix my hitsounds, i dont wanna mess em up since you did em and all

osu file format v14

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Title:Alola!!
TitleUnicode:アローラ!!
Artist:Satoshi with Pikachu (CV:Matsumoto Rica/Otani Ikue)
ArtistUnicode:サトシwithピカチュウ (CV:松本梨香/大谷育江)
Creator:CrystilonZ
Version:Hobbes2's Insane
Source:ポケットモンスター サン&ムーン
Tags:Saku Pokemon Pokémon Pocket Monsters the series Sun and Moon opening 佐香 智久 Sako Tomohisa ezek Hobbes2 Plaudible Kaitjuh PolkaMocha Nintendo GAME FREAK
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Topic Starter
CrystilonZ

Nao Tomori wrote:

placeholdered thanks to plaudible
ur jokes r succ

[z-insane]
00:40:707 (2) - whoa a wide angle i need something to emphasize the shift from the repetitive vocals part to the 'susumouze' part xd. if it plays bad do you have any suggestion? cuz i don't have any other idea lol
are you sure you want to use one of those when the rest of the map is literally all sharp angles :o
00:43:648 (5) - weird to have repeat here with stronger drum sounding hitsound compared to 00:44:040 (6) - I tried a triplet. cancerous af. hey but a slider here isn't bad imo xd. It kinda fits pretty nicely with the vocals.
00:59:726 - end spinner here for spinner recovery purposes I ended the slider on the blue tick intentionally cuz I didn't want any recovery time here lol. It kinda fits better with the Pikachu voice, the mood and stuff. Players can stop spinning any time they want anyway.
k changed some hs on hobbes' diff

Thanks a lot nao~
Hobbes2
Edit - why is there no delete button
polka

Nao Tomori wrote:

[polka's hard]
01:15:805 (1) - nigga what the fuck is this shit :arrow:a slider?
there's nothing on the head cuz the sound it follows is on the slider end of 01:15:020 (2) -
plz
01:25:020 (1) - nice larto slider are we in 2010 or something :arrow:thanks?
No changes.
Kaitjuh

Nao Tomori wrote:

[kai's insane]
00:24:628 - the rhythm in this section does an amazing job of putting strong vocals on slider ends in a part that only has vocals =) thanks, that was intentional since i shifted focus to the drums
aka it's off by a red tick. move everything till 00:28:550 - forward a red tick and it'll sound a lot better. ^
00:34:824 (6) - making the slider start 00:34:824 - makes it a lot better sounding imo. I prefer it the way it is now tbh, since the slider is mapped on a strong sound (big white tick), plus, I map several vocal sounds on sliderends so yeah.
00:37:569 (5) - there's a new section in the song and you continued the same jump pattern and nc lol its a lot sharper than 00:36:981 (2,3,4) - tho. I could NC it but it's not thát nc worthy tbh. I think you place too much value on vocal emphasis xd
00:55:216 (5,6,1) - what this
Thanks nao o/, no changes from me though

@Hobbes2 00:59:138 - the rhythm here is not 1/4, you can refer to other diffs here or Xinely's mod xd
Topic Starter
CrystilonZ

Kaitjuh wrote:

@Hobbes2 00:59:138 - the rhythm here is not 1/4, you can refer to other diffs here or Xinely's mod xd
I can confirm this; the rhythm there is : ^).
so if you want to stick with this just tell me and i will poke nao.
Hobbes2
current rhythm is a fine simplification of the music imo. regarding 00:58:550 (1,1,2,3,4) -
Nao Tomori
fine, let me re explain my points since i think they are very large issues with the maps that lower the quality a LOT

[polka's hard]
01:15:805 (1) - there is LITERALLY NOTHING under the slider head of this slider. the slider follows a sound that begins at 01:15:609 - and you should make that part clickable to reflect that rather than making a clickable slider head somewhere with no sound. http://puu.sh/uOkgW/5cd5daf093.jpg this rhythm for example works a lot better. or this rhythm http://puu.sh/uOkq8/b8264f86cb.jpg

[kai's insane]
i agree that you have a lot of vocals on slider ends. i think that's bad. you're clearly following vocals at parts like 00:20:118 (3,4,5,6) - or 00:22:471 (1,2,3) - . it doesn't make any sense to just randomly dip in and out of following vocals, and it makes the rhythm seem off since in some parts you're following the 1/1 drum with sliders and in some parts you're actually following the vocals.
i also think that following drums only in that part is idiotic because it's not following the thing that makes the song unique. you can literally spam 1/2 sliders on white ticks on any song and follow the drum line, you might as well be mapping a metronome. you should be following the melody of a song which, in this case, is the vocals. this persists throughout this section into the next one at 00:44:432 - all the way till 00:56:981 - with consistent but inherently flawed rhythm choices like 00:47:373 (6,1) - 00:50:510 (6,1) - and 00:53:648 (6,1) -.
00:54:628 (5) - 00:55:216 (7,8,1) - these kinds of things are also not that good for the same reason i explained above.

in the earlier part, you followed the trumpet, which is also a melody. however, following drums that are devoid of rhythm or melody in a vocal focused is too bad.

other stuff
00:37:569 (5) - i will reiterate that continuing the same pattern in a different section of the song is a bad use of patterning and should be changed

00:46:981 - the claps here are cute but making them unclickable feels bad to me. 00:56:393 (6,7) - this effect is better imo.

00:47:863 - missed triple

[z-insane]
i still think having no spinner recovery is dumb but it isn't actually unrankable so w/e
00:40:511 (1,2,3) - if you want to avoid this wide angle (which i guess has a reasoning behind it) you could try ctrl g on 2 3 which ends up looking like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7593473
00:46:981 - same thing about the claps, imo clickable is better but it isn't that big of a deal.
01:06:001 (3,4) - imo, turning both of these into kicksliders is a bit odd for me since the 01:06:001 (3) - is on that vocal but 01:06:197 (4) - is going back to the drum sounds. 2 triples here makes more sense to me.
01:10:118 (3,4,5,6) - this thing actually plays like ass cuz it's like a sudden massive spacing increase with a wider angle than you use for the rest of the jumps. i think the square is a bit too big for how strong the song is here.
01:13:844 (1,2) - i know you hitsounded these but you've been using kicksliders for the trumpet so using it for drums here is weird imo.

[hobbes2]
well i already wrote a decent sized paragraph about why vocals on slider ends in that section at 20 seconds is suboptimal so yea
00:59:726 (5,1) - this is just mean you have a 2 1/4 doubles then a 1/2 stack that look the same?_?


alright well hopefully i explained my points better and we can come to a compromise!
Topic Starter
CrystilonZ

Nao Tomori wrote:

fine, let me re explain my points since i think they are very large issues with the maps that lower the quality a LOT

[z-insane]
i still think having no spinner recovery is dumb but it isn't actually unrankable so w/e
00:40:511 (1,2,3) - if you want to avoid this wide angle (which i guess has a reasoning behind it) you could try ctrl g on 2 3 which ends up looking like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7593473 oh k this is cool
00:46:981 - same thing about the claps, imo clickable is better but it isn't that big of a deal.
01:06:001 (3,4) - imo, turning both of these into kicksliders is a bit odd for me since the 01:06:001 (3) - is on that vocal but 01:06:197 (4) - is going back to the drum sounds. 2 triples here makes more sense to me. agree but the drums around here are quite off-beat, so i used sliders to prevent unnecessary 100s. dw dw I did try to make these drums sliders a bit different by using shitty angles.
01:10:118 (3,4,5,6) - this thing actually plays like ass cuz it's like a sudden massive spacing increase with a wider angle than you use for the rest of the jumps. i think the square is a bit too big for how strong the song is here. nerfed
01:13:844 (1,2) - i know you hitsounded these but you've been using kicksliders for the trumpet so using it for drums here is weird imo.same

alright well hopefully i explained my points better and we can come to a compromise!
k thanks again nao~
Kaitjuh

Nao Tomori wrote:

fine, let me re explain my points since i think they are very large issues with the maps that lower the quality a LOT

[kai's insane]
i agree that you have a lot of vocals on slider ends. i think that's bad. you're clearly following vocals at parts like 00:20:118 (3,4,5,6) - or 00:22:471 (1,2,3) - . it doesn't make any sense to just randomly dip in and out of following vocals, and it makes the rhythm seem off since in some parts you're following the 1/1 drum with sliders and in some parts you're actually following the vocals. I understand where you're coming from and while it'd be a lot easier to change the pattern, I still want to explain my motivations here on why I mapped it the way I did. Imo the vocals and drums are equally strong/significant during the verse. I chose to map certain vocal sounds like 00:20:118 (3,4,5,6) - or 00:24:040 (7,8,1) - since they stood out to me more. I chose to map it the way I did here 00:25:020 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - because the vocals were going against the drums (or offbeat or whatever its called, I'm not a music theorist lmao). And since I put equal value on drums vs vocals, I mapped the sliders on beat with the vocals on the offbeat, here being on the sliderend. After those patterns I put more focus on the vocals because of a different vocal pattern and that stood out to me more, so I mapped the sliders with more focus on the vocals 00:27:373 (2,3,4) - and also because it transitions better into 00:28:550 (1,2) - . If this is truly an unrankable issue then I can consider changing it. If not, I'd prefer it the way it is atm.
i also think that following drums only in that part is idiotic because it's not following the thing that makes the song unique. you can literally spam 1/2 sliders on white ticks on any song and follow the drum line, you might as well be mapping a metronome. you should be following the melody of a song which, in this case, is the vocals. this persists throughout this section into the next one at 00:44:432 - all the way till 00:56:981 - with consistent but inherently flawed rhythm choices like 00:47:373 (6,1) - 00:50:510 (6,1) - and 00:53:648 (6,1) -. as for these, I placed more value on the strong beat (big white tick) and didn't want to make that a passive beat like a sliderend hence why the vocal sound before them are circles and not sliders.
00:54:628 (5) - 00:55:216 (7,8,1) - these kinds of things are also not that good for the same reason i explained above. these followed the trumpet sounds.

in the earlier part, you followed the trumpet, which is also a melody. however, following drums that are devoid of rhythm or melody in a vocal focused is too bad.

other stuff
00:37:569 (5) - i will reiterate that continuing the same pattern in a different section of the song is a bad use of patterning and should be changed again, they may look the same, but the angles are way sharper.

00:46:981 - the claps here are cute but making them unclickable feels bad to me. 00:56:393 (6,7) - this effect is better imo. I did this to 1. avoid similarites between other difficulties since there already are plenty and 2. differentiate from 00:56:393 (6,7) - since that part is in a more intense section of the music, so I wanted them to play differently.

00:47:863 - missed triple I don't hear anything oO


alright well hopefully i explained my points better and we can come to a compromise!
Idk
Hobbes2
for point 1)

i fixed the rhythm, this ending up making any sense of a pattern that I wanted going there obsolete so its just its own thing now i guess

for point 2)

yea fixed

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Nao Tomori
@kaitjuh
i think the drums are as loud, for sure. imo, that doesn't mean you should follow them. since they're consistently doing the same thing, they basically become a background sound in terms of how "interesting" or different they are. the vocals on the other hand do different stuff which is why i think focusing vocals in this part is significantly better than 1/1 drums.

about this pattern: 00:37:569 - you can clearly here a new verse / line / whatever starting in the song here, which is why i say it's a different section. i think you should change the pattern at 5 rather than at 00:38:158 - for this reason. the angle's sharpness is pretty irrelevant since 00:36:981 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this is clearly all one pattern lol.
Kaitjuh

Nao Tomori wrote:

@kaitjuh
i think the drums are as loud, for sure. imo, that doesn't mean you should follow them. since they're consistently doing the same thing, they basically become a background sound in terms of how "interesting" or different they are. the vocals on the other hand do different stuff which is why i think focusing vocals in this part is significantly better than 1/1 drums.

about this pattern: 00:37:569 - you can clearly here a new verse / line / whatever starting in the song here, which is why i say it's a different section. i think you should change the pattern at 5 rather than at 00:38:158 - for this reason. the angle's sharpness is pretty irrelevant since 00:36:981 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this is clearly all one pattern lol.
I kinda have to disagree on what you said about mapping whatever sounds; be it drums or vocals, in a passage of a song is simply a "better" rhythm choice. Sure, it can be more intuitive/interesting than other rhythm choices, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's objectively better, since there are different ways a song can be interpreted. Both are appropriate imo and changing this won't fundamentally improve my map's overall quality (as low as it may be).

changed 00:37:569 (5) - bc i dont like arguing and I still think it'd be fine if left unchanged, since purely looking at the songs structure, a new section of music would start here 00:38:158 (1) -

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260,122,76197,1,2,1:0:0:0:
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208,114,77275,1,8,1:0:0:0:
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223,202,78648,1,0,0:0:0:0:
175,208,78746,1,0,1:0:0:0:
128,198,78844,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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86,173,79334,1,2,1:2:0:0:
185,25,79530,1,0,1:0:0:0:
185,25,79628,1,0,1:0:0:0:
185,25,79726,5,2,1:2:0:0:
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63,91,80118,1,2,1:2:0:0:
88,313,80314,1,2,1:2:0:0:
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240,188,81981,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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456,243,83256,1,2,1:0:0:0:
421,50,83452,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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439,147,83844,1,0,0:0:0:0:
279,271,84040,1,2,1:0:0:0:
344,110,84236,1,0,0:0:0:0:
456,243,84432,1,2,1:2:0:0:
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421,50,84824,1,2,1:0:0:0:
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207,73,85609,1,2,1:0:0:0:
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