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shadowsnoop
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on domingo, 9 de julho de 2017 at 22:06:36

Artist: gmtn. (witch's slave)
Title: Daraku no Sono
Source: BMS
Tags: BOFU2015 ILLEGAL GOTHIC SCHRANZ 大血戦 DaiKessen THE OF FIGHTERS ULTIMATE
BPM: 168
Filesize: 5244kb
Play Time: 02:21
Difficulties Available:
  1. Hard - 4Key (2,77 stars, 1234 notes)
  2. Kaito's Another - 4Key (4,61 stars, 2016 notes)
  3. Mentholzzz's Hyper - 4Key (3,43 stars, 1597 notes)
  4. Normal - 4Key (1,87 stars, 645 notes)
  5. Tumultu - 4Key (5,35 stars, 2294 notes)
Download: gmtn. (witch's slave) - Daraku no Sono
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To do:

adding some sv juice...!



and a huge THANK YOU for all great feedbacks I've been receiving!!!
Protastic101
quick mod
control a, del, remap, kds pls, thx

joking, I love you fam <3
Topic Starter
shadowsnoop

Protastic101 wrote:

quick mod
control a, del, remap, kds pls, thx
you fucking wot m8

I hate you.
SPOILER
I lied.
Protastic101
IRC
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: hit me, hard
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1132175 gmtn. (witch's slave) - Daraku no Sono [Tumultu]]
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: dont try to play it btw
2016-11-29 15:54 Protastic101: i shoot chu
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: IM IN THE MODDING ROOM
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: COME
2016-11-29 15:54 Protastic101: THERE'S A MODDING ROOM?
2016-11-29 15:54 Protastic101: DAMN
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: YES
2016-11-29 15:54 Protastic101: but im eating cereal
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: NO EXCUSES
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: NEED TO BE USED
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: I DONT CARE
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: I DONT MIND SHARING YOU WITH THE CEREAL DUDE
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: IM OKAY
2016-11-29 15:55 Protastic101: ffs, I can't just eat cereal in peace? :<
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: no.
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: not when I'm around.
2016-11-29 15:55 Protastic101: brb, gotta restart osu
2016-11-29 15:56 shadowsnoop: I FORGOT THAT MY ENGLISH IS BROKEN AND IM REALLY SHY TO SPEAK
2016-11-29 15:56 shadowsnoop: LOL
2016-11-29 15:56 shadowsnoop: THIS WAS SUCH A BAD IDEA
2016-11-29 15:56 shadowsnoop: LOL
2016-11-29 15:56 Protastic101: fark
2016-11-29 15:56 shadowsnoop: THE FACE OF REGREAT
2016-11-29 15:56 Protastic101: I forgot what my push to talk button is
2016-11-29 16:09 Protastic101: 00:37:214 -
2016-11-29 16:10 Protastic101: 00:37:303 - 00:37:660 - 00:38:017 - ]
2016-11-29 16:11 Protastic101: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6690293
2016-11-29 16:15 Protastic101: 00:58:642 -
2016-11-29 16:16 Protastic101: give me a sec rip
2016-11-29 16:16 shadowsnoop: oky
2016-11-29 16:16 Protastic101: 00:58:821 (58821|2,58910|0,58910|3,58999|2,58999|1) -
2016-11-29 16:18 Protastic101: 00:59:892 (59892|1,60071|1,60249|1,60428|1) -
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2016-11-29 16:21 Protastic101: 01:03:910 (63910|1,63910|0,63999|3,63999|2,64089|0,64089|1,64178|3,64178|2,64267|1,64267|0) -
2016-11-29 16:26 Protastic101: 01:10:071 -
2016-11-29 16:32 shadowsnoop: sorry about this
2016-11-29 16:32 shadowsnoop: lol
2016-11-29 16:32 Protastic101: rip, it's fine lol
2016-11-29 16:33 Protastic101: I'm finally eating my god damn cereal :D
2016-11-29 16:35 shadowsnoop: fk u
2016-11-29 16:35 Protastic101: no fuk u
2016-11-29 16:35 shadowsnoop: 1 min
2016-11-29 16:39 Protastic101: 01:16:499 (76499|2,76588|3,76678|2,76767|3,76946|3) -
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2016-11-29 16:39 Protastic101: 01:16:856 (76856|0) -
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2016-11-29 16:41 shadowsnoop: 01:16:856 (76856|0) -
2016-11-29 16:41 Protastic101: 01:16:946 (76946|3) - \
2016-11-29 16:43 Protastic101: 01:20:160 - 01:20:249 - 01:20:338 - 01:20:517 - 01:20:606 - 01:20:696 -
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2016-11-29 16:58 Protastic101: 01:37:213 - 01:37:570 -
2016-11-29 17:02 Protastic101: 01:44:891 (104891|1,105248|2,105606|3) -
2016-11-29 17:04 Protastic101: 01:44:713 - -01:45:070 -
2016-11-29 17:05 Protastic101: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6690602
2016-11-29 17:06 Protastic101: 01:58:463 (118463|1,118463|3) -
2016-11-29 17:07 Protastic101: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6690616
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2016-11-29 17:12 Protastic101: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/669063402:10:070 -
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2016-11-29 17:14 Protastic101: 02:14:177 (134177|2,134177|3,134266|2,134266|1,134356|0,134356|1) -
2016-11-29 17:17 Protastic101: 02:21:856 -
Voice chat was used, and soggy cereal was made.
Topic Starter
shadowsnoop

Protastic101 wrote:

IRC
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: hit me, hard
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1132175 gmtn. (witch's slave) - Daraku no Sono [Tumultu]]
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: dont try to play it btw
2016-11-29 15:54 Protastic101: i shoot chu
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: IM IN THE MODDING ROOM
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: COME
2016-11-29 15:54 Protastic101: THERE'S A MODDING ROOM?
2016-11-29 15:54 Protastic101: DAMN
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: YES
2016-11-29 15:54 Protastic101: but im eating cereal
2016-11-29 15:54 shadowsnoop: NO EXCUSES
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: NEED TO BE USED
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: I DONT CARE
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: I DONT MIND SHARING YOU WITH THE CEREAL DUDE
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: IM OKAY
2016-11-29 15:55 Protastic101: ffs, I can't just eat cereal in peace? :<
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: no.
2016-11-29 15:55 shadowsnoop: not when I'm around.
2016-11-29 15:55 Protastic101: brb, gotta restart osu
2016-11-29 15:56 shadowsnoop: I FORGOT THAT MY ENGLISH IS BROKEN AND IM REALLY SHY TO SPEAK
2016-11-29 15:56 shadowsnoop: LOL
2016-11-29 15:56 shadowsnoop: THIS WAS SUCH A BAD IDEA
2016-11-29 15:56 shadowsnoop: LOL
2016-11-29 15:56 Protastic101: fark
2016-11-29 15:56 shadowsnoop: THE FACE OF REGREAT
2016-11-29 15:56 Protastic101: I forgot what my push to talk button is
2016-11-29 16:09 Protastic101: 00:37:214 -
2016-11-29 16:10 Protastic101: 00:37:303 - 00:37:660 - 00:38:017 - ]
2016-11-29 16:11 Protastic101: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6690293
2016-11-29 16:15 Protastic101: 00:58:642 -
2016-11-29 16:16 Protastic101: give me a sec rip
2016-11-29 16:16 shadowsnoop: oky
2016-11-29 16:16 Protastic101: 00:58:821 (58821|2,58910|0,58910|3,58999|2,58999|1) -
2016-11-29 16:18 Protastic101: 00:59:892 (59892|1,60071|1,60249|1,60428|1) -
2016-11-29 16:19 Protastic101: 01:00:964 (60964|2,61142|2,61321|2,61499|2) -
2016-11-29 16:21 Protastic101: 01:03:910 (63910|1,63910|0,63999|3,63999|2,64089|0,64089|1,64178|3,64178|2,64267|1,64267|0) -
2016-11-29 16:26 Protastic101: 01:10:071 -
2016-11-29 16:32 shadowsnoop: sorry about this
2016-11-29 16:32 shadowsnoop: lol
2016-11-29 16:32 Protastic101: rip, it's fine lol
2016-11-29 16:33 Protastic101: I'm finally eating my god damn cereal :D
2016-11-29 16:35 shadowsnoop: fk u
2016-11-29 16:35 Protastic101: no fuk u
2016-11-29 16:35 shadowsnoop: 1 min
2016-11-29 16:39 Protastic101: 01:16:499 (76499|2,76588|3,76678|2,76767|3,76946|3) -
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2016-11-29 17:17 Protastic101: 02:21:856 -
Voice chat was used, and soggy cereal was made.
I'm a dumb shit. Thank you. Here, take this free kudosus.
Parachor
Here's a brief mod, I'll go over some other things with you in irc later.

[Tumultu]
- 00:10:428 (10428|0,10607|0) - Different pitches, should be in different columns. Having them both the same seems odd.
- 00:12:392 (12392|3,12482|2,12571|1,12660|0) - You could probably afford to make these shorter into 1/8 staccatos.
- I think the hand would have more impact if you extended this LN 00:12:749 (12749|3) - by 1/8, and shield it with one of the notes in the hand. Just in case you want some more emphasis.
- 00:32:571 (32571|1,32571|0,32749|0,32749|1,32928|1,32928|0) - This repetition feels just a little weird. Mainly because of its relationship with this 00:33:285 (33285|0,33285|2,33464|2,33464|0,33642|0,33642|2) - . Basically [12] is really noticable because it's just one hand making the motion, whereas [13] is a lot more camouflaged, causing some kind of disconnect here. It might also be because of the amount of work being put on column |1|. I suggest you make the second one repeat [34], or perhaps make the first one repeat [24] (which is probably the one I'd prefer). May require some shuffling around with the notes.
- 00:33:999 (33999|1,34178|1,34178|0,34357|1) - Something about this feels awkward and I can't quite figure out why. Might be having a note at the beginning and end of the LN on the same hand that's holding it down. Maybe move 00:34:357 (34357|1) - to |4| and then Ctrl+H everything from 00:34:446 - to 00:35:785 -

- It's pretty disappointed to see that after this point 00:35:785 - the map completely ignores every part of the beat, every kind of layering structure, every nuance of emphasis, just to map the melody to a bunch of jacked doubles. If this was a training map specifically designed to train players on fast jacked doubles then it'd be understandable, but I feel like you want this map to be more than that, correct me if I'm wrong. The most basic BPM pulse of the song is ignored, even when there's nothing around it, like here: 00:36:857 (36857|3,36857|0) -

- 00:49:892 (49892|0,49937|1,50026|0,50071|1,50160|0,50160|1,50249|0) - A little unbalanced on the left hand. Perhaps Ctrl+H this 00:50:160 (50160|1,50160|0,50339|3,50339|2) -
- 01:11:142 (71142|2,71142|3,71499|3,71499|0,71856|1,71856|2,72213|2,72213|3) - Any reason why these are doubles? You seem to be emphasising there being a silence right afterwards, but then this structure is mostly ignored from this point 01:14:356 - when the drums come in.
- 01:19:356 (79356|3,79356|0,79713|2,79713|3,80071|0,80071|1,80428|1,80428|3) - You mapped these to doubles but not any of these 01:20:785 (80785|0,81142|0,81499|2,81856|3,82213|0) - despite all having the kick. Need to stay consistent, and not undermapping very clear percussion in favor of melody (which seems to be a large chunk of this map).
- 01:28:285 (88285|3) - is the same sound as 01:28:999 (88999|0,88999|1) - but both are mapped to a different amount of LN (this happens elsewhere in this section so I won't point out the rest of them).

- Perhaps move 01:34:624 (94624|0) - to |2| because column |1| started to get a bit unbalanced.
- 01:42:660 (102660|1,102749|0,102749|1,102838|0,102928|1,103017|0,103017|1,103106|0) - A liiiiitle bit heavy on the left hand again.
- 01:43:285 (103285|1,103285|0,103285|3,103553|1,103553|0,103553|3,103820|3,103820|1,103820|0) - Oh hey, some actual percussion layering inside of the melody, 2/3rds into the map lmao.

- 01:56:409 (116409|0,116498|0) - This jack makes it feel a little bit heavy on the left hand, especially when the left hand bears most of the weight right afterwards with stuff like this 01:57:034 (117034|1,117079|0,117213|1,117213|0) -
- 01:58:641 (118641|0) - mapped to only a single despite having both the kick and the melody. Also I find it baffling that you're still mapping the (now quieter) melody to doubles and completely ignoring the super loud percussion (with the exception of when it doesn't fit the melody, i.e. 1/3)
- 01:59:802 (119802|2) - What is this mapped to, there's no melody, nor percussion. And just in case your answer for this is that there's a very quiet sound there, ask yourself if you've mapped that sound everywhere else as well.
- 02:01:766 (121766|2,121945|1) - Were these notes not cool enough to be doubles? Same structure for melody, and not dampened enough to warrant being a single.

- 02:08:284 (128284|2,128344|3,128403|1,128463|0,128522|2,128582|3) - Would probably work better if you made all of these notes a [2|3] trill, to match the [1|4] trill you did just before.
- 02:09:623 - poor percussion :<
- 02:09:980 - ^

As I said before, this plays more like a practice map than anything, but that might be what you're going for, I dunno. Great job with your hand balance, I only found a few issues there. Also nice use of LN, it never really felt out of place and matched the song well. I think the biggest and most formidable hurdle for you now is layering structure, balancing layers, knowing when undermapping becomes ignoring, knowing when overmapping becomes awkward, knowing how to transition through layering structures, y'know, all that jazz.

Also would be nice to see you work a map that isn't an Extra diff. I understand that easier diffs might seem boring and everyone wants to be able to make hard stuff, but I feel that progress will be made a lot faster if you build on the foundations instead of trying to go straight to the top. Easier to work on layering skills and knowing which patterns become awkward to play in much higher difficulties and stuff. You've told me before that you were thinking of working on a full set for this, and I think that's a great idea :)
Topic Starter
shadowsnoop
Mkay, first of all, thanks :D

So, as you know, I'm a drummer, for me mapping percussion is probably easy as speaking my native language... which is boring as hell. I actually don't like this "you MUST map the percussion" thing, I find rather boring having to restrain different approaches on your map just because you ~need to~ map percussion for the sake of it, I completly dont dig it. Yes, its a personal opinion, yes I can be wrong, but then again, look at how 99% of the maps are made, the structure is so so similar that makes it boring, but then again, thats me.

I tried to aim for something different, if I would map for the percussion the chart the way it is won't be possible to do, so I'd have a completly different chart and probably would not be happy with it, as I wanted to actually match the melody as my ~main~ instrument for the entire song, once the percussion is so ~soulless~ that it would be just another percussion oriented map...

I know the percussion will probably most of the times get the players attention towards it, but I'm pretty sure once you get inside my map, you can feel it by playing the jacks. Thats what I want, people to feel the melody when playing it, having that movement which the melody gives you, I dont want just another kick snare kick snare thing.


Parachor wrote:

Here's a brief mod, I'll go over some other things with you in irc later.

[Tumultu][notice]- 00:10:428 (10428|0,10607|0) - Different pitches, should be in different columns. Having them both the same seems odd. Done!
- 00:12:392 (12392|3,12482|2,12571|1,12660|0) - You could probably afford to make these shorter into 1/8 staccatos. Seems cool!
- I think the hand would have more impact if you extended this LN 00:12:749 (12749|3) - by 1/8, and shield it with one of the notes in the hand. Just in case you want some more emphasis. That works well, yes!
- 00:32:571 (32571|1,32571|0,32749|0,32749|1,32928|1,32928|0) - This repetition feels just a little weird. Mainly because of its relationship with this 00:33:285 (33285|0,33285|2,33464|2,33464|0,33642|0,33642|2) - . Basically [12] is really noticable because it's just one hand making the motion, whereas [13] is a lot more camouflaged, causing some kind of disconnect here. It might also be because of the amount of work being put on column |1|. I suggest you make the second one repeat [34], or perhaps make the first one repeat [24] (which is probably the one I'd prefer). May require some shuffling around with the notes. It´s true, I didnt pay enough attention on this particular section but did yea, made the rep to [24] seems good enough now!
- 00:33:999 (33999|1,34178|1,34178|0,34357|1) - Something about this feels awkward and I can't quite figure out why. Might be having a note at the beginning and end of the LN on the same hand that's holding it down. Maybe move 00:34:357 (34357|1) - to |4| and then Ctrl+H everything from 00:34:446 - to 00:35:785 - You're the first one that says anything about this but I dont mind doing so, changed!

- It's pretty disappointed to see that after this point 00:35:785 - the map completely ignores every part of the beat, every kind of layering structure, every nuance of emphasis, just to map the melody to a bunch of jacked doubles. If this was a training map specifically designed to train players on fast jacked doubles then it'd be understandable, but I feel like you want this map to be more than that, correct me if I'm wrong. The most basic BPM pulse of the song is ignored, even when there's nothing around it, like here: 00:36:857 (36857|3,36857|0) - Explained in the beggining.

- 00:49:892 (49892|0,49937|1,50026|0,50071|1,50160|0,50160|1,50249|0) - A little unbalanced on the left hand. Perhaps Ctrl+H this 00:50:160 (50160|1,50160|0,50339|3,50339|2) - Changed!
- 01:11:142 (71142|2,71142|3,71499|3,71499|0,71856|1,71856|2,72213|2,72213|3) - Any reason why these are doubles? You seem to be emphasising there being a silence right afterwards, but then this structure is mostly ignored from this point 01:14:356 - when the drums come in.
- 01:19:356 (79356|3,79356|0,79713|2,79713|3,80071|0,80071|1,80428|1,80428|3) - You mapped these to doubles but not any of these 01:20:785 (80785|0,81142|0,81499|2,81856|3,82213|0) - despite all having the kick. Need to stay consistent, and not undermapping very clear percussion in favor of melody (which seems to be a large chunk of this map). Okay so, I really don't know how to properly explain the first part... I just have the feeling like the notes represented with jumps are WAY more emphasised then the rest, like when you have that "hard" pressed notes on piano and then when I actually stoped doing so, its just because it actually stops happening. So new section, started mapping melody as LN's, totally different from the rest of the chart, just decided I wouldn't mix the percusion in there, but if anyone feel like its just not right I can change it... I like the way it is now.
- 01:28:285 (88285|3) - is the same sound as 01:28:999 (88999|0,88999|1) - but both are mapped to a different amount of LN (this happens elsewhere in this section so I won't point out the rest of them). Its not about the same sound being represented by X amount of LN's, its pretty much not mixing double ln's with the rest of the chart so when it gets to the double LN's it way more emphasised, dunno, explaining this shit is hard.

- Perhaps move 01:34:624 (94624|0) - to |2| because column |1| started to get a bit unbalanced. Done.
- 01:42:660 (102660|1,102749|0,102749|1,102838|0,102928|1,103017|0,103017|1,103106|0) - A liiiiitle bit heavy on the left hand again. I probably did some missplacement on other mod but yea, fixed lol
- 01:43:285 (103285|1,103285|0,103285|3,103553|1,103553|0,103553|3,103820|3,103820|1,103820|0) - Oh hey, some actual percussion layering inside of the melody, 2/3rds into the map lmao. Its the VERY END of the whole section, and you clearly can see it is way harder then the normal jacks, cant afford to do that the whole map, made like this so you have that ~closure~ feeling.

- 01:56:409 (116409|0,116498|0) - This jack makes it feel a little bit heavy on the left hand, especially when the left hand bears most of the weight right afterwards with stuff like this 01:57:034 (117034|1,117079|0,117213|1,117213|0) - None of my testers actually missed this part, and I'm not even kidding.Ok so, the 1/4s are isolated from the rest of the poly, I dont see how I could make it more confortable and easy to read...
- 01:58:641 (118641|0) - mapped to only a single despite having both the kick and the melody. Also I find it baffling that you're still mapping the (now quieter) melody to doubles and completely ignoring the super loud percussion (with the exception of when it doesn't fit the melody, i.e. 1/3) But... the releases lol
- 01:59:802 (119802|2) - What is this mapped to, there's no melody, nor percussion. And just in case your answer for this is that there's a very quiet sound there, ask yourself if you've mapped that sound everywhere else as well. Have no idea, just removed that, clearly was wrong, thanks.
- 02:01:766 (121766|2,121945|1) - Were these notes not cool enough to be doubles? Same structure for melody, and not dampened enough to warrant being a single. Actually no, they are not cool enough. Theres a clear different from the rest to these 2 notes, and this gives a way better flow, mapping everything would be messy in this part and probably would not represent the sound variation well enough. But it could be just me...

- 02:08:284 (128284|2,128344|3,128403|1,128463|0,128522|2,128582|3) - Would probably work better if you made all of these notes a [2|3] trill, to match the [1|4] trill you did just before. For some reason, for me, the second part of the trill seems like...wider, once people use 23 trill for really close sounds.
- 02:09:623 - poor percussion :< fk u
- 02:09:980 - ^

As I said before, this plays more like a practice map than anything, but that might be what you're going for, I dunno. Great job with your hand balance, I only found a few issues there. Also nice use of LN, it never really felt out of place and matched the song well. I think the biggest and most formidable hurdle for you now is layering structure, balancing layers, knowing when undermapping becomes ignoring, knowing when overmapping becomes awkward, knowing how to transition through layering structures, y'know, all that jazz. I really don't like when people say "practice map" just because I patterned like jumpjacks, and thats why 99% of the osu players suck at jacks, they dont play it, because no one maps it. For me its just a completly different approach from the ~normal~ mapping style. Interpreting something differently doesnt mean it is for practice...

Also would be nice to see you work a map that isn't an Extra diff. I understand that easier diffs might seem boring and everyone wants to be able to make hard stuff, but I feel that progress will be made a lot faster if you build on the foundations instead of trying to go straight to the top. Easier to work on layering skills and knowing which patterns become awkward to play in much higher difficulties and stuff. You've told me before that you were thinking of working on a full set for this, and I think that's a great idea :)I'll actually do a full set, will work on different concepts, and then I'll have the ~normal~ structure you're talking about. But then again, point me one point at the map when its weird or plays badly, theres none. And this is not me speaking, its everyone who actually have the skills to play it and properly say if its weird/bad or not, I had a huge help from people like Evening and spoonguy helping me in smoothing out patterning, so I'm 100% safe with myself in this topic. Ofc, with your mod it got even better since I made some unintentional bad stuff.
Okay, I'm 101% sure you'll probably wreck me at discord later so yea, let it die here LOL
Julie
That was fun x3!
2016-12-10 00:37 Julie: 00:12:571 (12571|0,12660|1) - hmm make it like this http://puu.sh/sKl7G/bf5a5fbb63.jpg so it doesnt feel like is some kind of stairs? since the sound should have different feeling at 00:12:571 -
2016-12-10 00:38 Julie: so it feel like this 00:12:392 - it go down, then here 00:12:571 - it go up
2016-12-10 00:39 shadowsnoop: Okay, got the stair thingy, indeed a stair doesnt represent it tooo well, changed! <3
2016-12-10 00:44 Julie: 01:11:678 (71678|3,71856|2,71856|1,72035|0) - I feel so nazi on the piano, mostly because of this 01:11:499 (71499|3,71678|3) - , feel like a random jack
2016-12-10 00:44 Julie: since the piano at 01:11:678 - is the same as 01:12:035 -
2016-12-10 00:44 Julie: and 01:11:856 - same as 01:11:499 -
2016-12-10 00:45 Julie: so something like that for example http://puu.sh/sKlrv/d8efdabc3e.jpg would feel more fitting no?
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: "I feel so nazi" HAHA
2016-12-10 00:45 Julie: =wwwwww=
2016-12-10 00:45 Julie: my ears too sensible sometimes =w=
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: oh are they the same?
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: didnt know that
2016-12-10 00:45 Julie: yeah from the piano pitch
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: D: awn
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: I suck at pitch
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: sorry
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: :(
2016-12-10 00:45 Julie: is okix d
2016-12-10 00:46 Julie: it develop the ears the more you map and mods owo
2016-12-10 00:46 shadowsnoop: Im usually really bad at piano related stuff :( need to work on that
2016-12-10 00:47 shadowsnoop: and yes! changed that
2016-12-10 00:47 Julie: yeah example, 01:16:588 (76588|2,76678|1,76767|2,76856|1,76946|2,77035|1,77124|2) - honestly not sure what this trill is for
2016-12-10 00:47 shadowsnoop: way better =w=
2016-12-10 00:47 Julie: is it really for the piano? xD
2016-12-10 00:47 shadowsnoop: protastic
2016-12-10 00:47 shadowsnoop: told me to
2016-12-10 00:47 Julie: =w=
2016-12-10 00:47 Julie: I really cant seem to see what is trying to match
2016-12-10 00:47 shadowsnoop: It wasnt like this
2016-12-10 00:47 Julie: 01:16:946 - no piano
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: exactly
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: this note
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: in my original file
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: was in the far left
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: instead
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: with a 2 note gap
2016-12-10 00:48 Julie: it only have that constant winds sound, but i mean is so low, and if you would just match the winds, then it should be trills non stop which wouldnt make sense
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: between the other note
2016-12-10 00:48 Julie: and tbh even taht winds sound kinda follow the piano pitch a bit, so I really dont see why is there such long trills
2016-12-10 00:49 Julie: like what is it match there? the piano pitch doesnt even repeat there? xD
2016-12-10 00:49 Julie: hmm
2016-12-10 00:49 shadowsnoop: I did in the beggining
2016-12-10 00:49 shadowsnoop: like
2016-12-10 00:49 shadowsnoop: 1 3 2 4
2016-12-10 00:49 shadowsnoop: pattern
2016-12-10 00:49 shadowsnoop: with the gap on the last note you highlited
2016-12-10 00:50 shadowsnoop: so what would you recomend :(?
2016-12-10 00:50 Julie: I would go with something like this http://puu.sh/sKlEG/ec6cfd9fac.jpg in term of pitch, since these 01:16:678 (76678|0,76767|1,76856|2) - and these 01:17:035 (77035|1,77124|2,77213|3) - follow
2016-12-10 00:50 Julie: but this 01:17:035 (77035|1,77124|2,77213|3) - higher pitch then 01:16:678 (76678|0,76767|1,76856|2) -
2016-12-10 00:51 Julie: and is like one of the easy part of the map, so even in gameplay, cant see much trouble
2016-12-10 00:51 shadowsnoop: huuuum
2016-12-10 00:51 Julie: you dont have to follow the exact same
2016-12-10 00:51 Julie: 1234 still work too xD
2016-12-10 00:52 Julie: Im jsut trying something so these 01:16:678 (76678|0,76767|1,76856|2) - and 01:17:035 (77035|1,77124|2,77213|3) - make a nice stairs
2016-12-10 00:52 Julie: for the pitch
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: humm will try a rework on this then
2016-12-10 00:52 Julie: oki x3
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: yes
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: will fix the lil stairs
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: and work around em
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: :3
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: thnks =w=
2016-12-10 00:52 Julie: np x3
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: 01:29:535 (89535|0,89535|3,89624|2,89624|3,89713|1,89713|2,89803|0,89803|1,89892|3,89892|2,89981|1,89981|2,90071|1,90071|0,90160|0,90160|3,90249|3,90249|1,90338|1,90338|2) -
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: this is the kind of stuff
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: I hate the most personally
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: easy to see but doesnt fit the song at all, which make everything play so weird
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: is pretty much easy to see is "double stairs right to left" in 4k
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: but arghhh it just
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: doesnt fit the song at all
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: like a harder pattern to read that is jacking all randomly
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: would be more fun to play then this personally
2016-12-10 01:00 shadowsnoop: I actually did this directional jack
2016-12-10 01:00 shadowsnoop: because the sound would actually remind me of a directional stair
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: 01:29:624 (89624|3,89624|2,89713|2,89713|1,89803|1,89803|0) - 01:29:892 (89892|2,89892|3,89981|1,89981|2,90071|1,90071|0) -
2016-12-10 01:00 shadowsnoop: so thats why I did that
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: same
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: x.x
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: hmm
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: okiii
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: like
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: I tried to actually make some relation
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: between the jack patterning
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: and the music
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: instead of some random stuff
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: so everytime I would get the "stair/directional" feeling
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: I'd map something like that
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: that "steady" build up sound
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: or something like that
2016-12-10 01:02 Julie: yeah some would like because easy to read owo
2016-12-10 01:02 shadowsnoop: but I get that there is lot of ppls dont like directional jacks too much
2016-12-10 01:02 Julie: but some like me
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: when it just doesnt fit match the song, we go arghh
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: but yours is not that bad
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: is just
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: a small part
2016-12-10 01:03 shadowsnoop: I could rework then to be fair
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: there is some..is non stop for like 3-4 stanza, right to left
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: AND THE SONG
2016-12-10 01:03 shadowsnoop: its like I'm picky of something
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: is different feeling each stanzaaa
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: aaaaa
2016-12-10 01:03 shadowsnoop: ok
2016-12-10 01:03 shadowsnoop: I literraly
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: yours is ok, just a small part, it was just me reminding of those freaking rank one that did this error but like for a long part..
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: literally
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: just saw what you talking about
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: and totally got your point and I agree with it
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: LOL
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: because I wasnt paying atention to a part of the sound
2016-12-10 01:04 Julie: YEAH LOL
2016-12-10 01:04 Julie: oh
2016-12-10 01:04 Julie: haha
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: LOL
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: ok, will rework on those
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: the flow is incorrect
2016-12-10 01:06 Julie: or you can keep like the first one and change the 2nd http://puu.sh/sKmjM/339e624e7b.jpg, idk, really just example xD.
2016-12-10 01:06 shadowsnoop: yes! exactly
2016-12-10 01:06 shadowsnoop: its exactly what I was thinking
2016-12-10 01:06 shadowsnoop: yes
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: the sound indeed has this ~movement~
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: between the 2 sets of jack
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: so no point on repeating the pattern
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: its just dumb
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: and wrong
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: and bad
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: and I suck
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: sorry mom
2016-12-10 01:08 Julie: ahahaha
2016-12-10 01:08 Julie: nah you dont suck haha
2016-12-10 01:08 Julie: everyone learn owo, even I learn as well from modding x3
2016-12-10 01:08 shadowsnoop: its literally my first ~real~ map
2016-12-10 01:08 shadowsnoop: that I'm modding and trying to improve and stuff
2016-12-10 01:08 shadowsnoop: :(
2016-12-10 01:10 Julie: is pretty ncie for a first real map owo
2016-12-10 01:10 shadowsnoop: :<,
2016-12-10 01:14 Julie: 01:34:445 (94445|3,94445|0,94535|3,94535|1,94624|2,94624|1) - maybe change the feeling a bit here ? Example : http://puu.sh/sKmHT/e38cdca2c4.jpg
2016-12-10 01:15 Julie: since the part of the song do kinda change but you still keep the same kind of pattern xD
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: ok so the last patterns are kinda similar to this last one
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: and since the 3 last notes are waay different
2016-12-10 01:15 Julie: yeahh xD
2016-12-10 01:15 Julie: kinda
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: and they indeed get a big "change"
2016-12-10 01:15 Julie: it give a different vibe xD
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: yes
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: I totally got you
2016-12-10 01:15 Julie: yee owo
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: and its true
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: and good
2016-12-10 01:16 shadowsnoop: and changed
2016-12-10 01:16 shadowsnoop: nice one
2016-12-10 01:16 Julie: siiick x3
2016-12-10 01:24 Julie: 01:47:079 (107079|1) - hmm ghost notes?
2016-12-10 01:24 Julie: I only hear a triplet start at 01:47:123 - .
2016-12-10 01:25 Julie: around 01:47:123 - actually xD
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: nope
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: listen to 25%
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: its like a low kick thing
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: would be more liek
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: a hi hat
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: tbh
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: its some static sound
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: cant explain well
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: but its definatly there D:
2016-12-10 01:26 Julie: pretty tricky to follow that sound
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: I swear
2016-12-10 01:26 Julie: xP
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: tried my best tho
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: once I can clearly hear em on 25% with my headset
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: I tried to do it consistently
2016-12-10 01:27 shadowsnoop: "tried"
2016-12-10 01:27 shadowsnoop: :(
2016-12-10 01:27 Julie: ok lets go here for example 01:48:507 (108507|0,108552|1,108582|2) -
2016-12-10 01:27 shadowsnoop: but I recheked that section quite a lot
2016-12-10 01:27 Julie: are you trying to follow that drum?
2016-12-10 01:27 shadowsnoop: kinda, I did a simplification in this part
2016-12-10 01:27 shadowsnoop: once anything else would feel kinda lost
2016-12-10 01:28 Julie: I hope you know that drum is 1/6
2016-12-10 01:28 shadowsnoop: at least in my point
2016-12-10 01:28 Julie: example on 25%
2016-12-10 01:28 Julie: how many drum sound you hear start at 01:48:463 - to 01:48:641 -
2016-12-10 01:28 shadowsnoop: hum
2016-12-10 01:29 shadowsnoop: I'd say the
2016-12-10 01:29 shadowsnoop: 01:48:597 (108597|2) -
2016-12-10 01:29 shadowsnoop: is kinda tricky
2016-12-10 01:29 Julie: tricky yeah
2016-12-10 01:29 shadowsnoop: but for some reason this appears to be fine to me
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: I hear 4 sounds
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: since the drum itself do sound clear, but yet, on the background it seem like one drum sound feel like is rolling somehow
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: but the last one seems like
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: kinda lost
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: tbh I only hear 2
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: betwee that
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: yea
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: the same drum
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: you can recheck those snap later, after getting more mods and all
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: ears will develop x3, dont worry
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: yes! I'll take a good look at this snaps later
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: once I get a bit more of solid experience
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: I'm not gonna force you what I hear x3
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: noooooooooo
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: you will learn with time
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: owo
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: I dont see as forcing wtf
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: I know you are not
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: :(
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: I mean I know you dont see it that way xD
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: I got your 2 sounds
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: since Im not yelling and all, but yeahh
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: the really high sounds are 2
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: HAHA
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: yeah
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: "WHY WOULD YOU SNAP LIKE THAAAAAAAAT"
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: and like that 1 drum sound
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: kinda make some kind of
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: roll
2016-12-10 01:32 Julie: sound in the background so is sooo tricky
2016-12-10 01:32 Julie: not sure if is allow to just do a 1/8 like that
2016-12-10 01:32 shadowsnoop: exactly...
2016-12-10 01:32 Julie: yeah
2016-12-10 01:32 shadowsnoop: true
2016-12-10 01:32 shadowsnoop: I guess better safe then sorry?
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: Will mark this as a think to look about, but if I dont get a solid answer will def do your 2 sounds one
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: then it would be 100% correct
2016-12-10 01:33 Julie: even the main sound, not only the drum is 1/6 there
2016-12-10 01:33 Julie: so your choice x3
2016-12-10 01:33 Julie: there 2 sound that are on the 1/6
2016-12-10 01:33 Julie: better mark it up owo
2016-12-10 01:33 Julie: or re-read the irc XD
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: yes
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: just posted in the forum there
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: updated my to do list
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: =w=
2016-12-10 01:34 Julie: hehe x3
2016-12-10 01:35 Julie: same for here 01:54:222 (114222|0,114266|1,114311|2) -
2016-12-10 01:35 shadowsnoop: noted
2016-12-10 01:37 Julie: 01:58:731 (118731|1,118731|2) - hmm? Why 2 notes, what is it match for?
2016-12-10 01:37 Julie: I only hear the default hitsound =w=
2016-12-10 01:39 shadowsnoop: correct
2016-12-10 01:39 shadowsnoop: probably a missplaced note
2016-12-10 01:39 shadowsnoop: thanks
2016-12-10 01:40 Julie: 02:03:552 - , 02:03:909 - and 02:04:266 - and this is the only bass with no notes =w=
2016-12-10 01:41 Julie: that you suddenly just match the main sound =w=, but for like 1 stanza
2016-12-10 01:41 Julie: hmm? =w=
2016-12-10 01:41 Julie: ok I lie , 2 part, here too 02:06:409 - + =w=
2016-12-10 01:41 Julie: actually forget what I said, you did here too 02:09:623 -
2016-12-10 01:42 Julie: I guess near the end before the last kiai you focus more on the main sound
2016-12-10 01:42 shadowsnoop: ._.
2016-12-10 01:42 shadowsnoop: yes
2016-12-10 01:42 shadowsnoop: I'm aiming at the melody
2016-12-10 01:42 shadowsnoop: at its full potential
2016-12-10 01:42 shadowsnoop: so I dont need to ~lock~ my patterning with other stuff
2016-12-10 01:43 Julie: 02:16:379 (136379|0,136409|1,136439|2) - do you really hear a 3 notes roll?
2016-12-10 01:44 Julie: I still do hear 1/6
2016-12-10 01:44 Julie: same speed as 02:16:141 (136141|3,136201|2,136260|1) -
2016-12-10 01:44 shadowsnoop: yes because its the poly
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: so its a
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: 1/6 melody
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: like the rest
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: but there is a drum sound
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: in the middle
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: in the 1/4
2016-12-10 01:45 Julie: I hear it 1/4
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: so I'd make a roll to make it easy to read
2016-12-10 01:45 Julie: idk about that, one drum is one, not a 1/12 roll drum xD
2016-12-10 01:46 shadowsnoop: the the poly
2016-12-10 01:46 shadowsnoop: is a mix from the melody
2016-12-10 01:46 shadowsnoop: and the drum itself
2016-12-10 01:46 shadowsnoop: melody > https://puu.sh/sKnWb/26bac67a98.jpg
2016-12-10 01:46 shadowsnoop: the middle one is the drum hit
2016-12-10 01:46 Julie: OH IS ON 1/6
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: omg 2am here
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: my bad
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: I do hear that 1/4 but I didnt know that those snap 1/12 was also on 1/6 xD
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: oh gawd
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: woops
2016-12-10 01:47 shadowsnoop: ._. LOL
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: im starting to de-rail
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: =w=
2016-12-10 01:47 shadowsnoop: D: SORRY
2016-12-10 01:48 shadowsnoop: you should be tired
2016-12-10 01:48 shadowsnoop: t-t
2016-12-10 01:48 Julie: nuuu is my fault =w=, worked full day + sleeping late =w=
2016-12-10 01:48 Julie: but glad to see you know what you are doing owo
2016-12-10 01:49 shadowsnoop: exactly, I should let you get rest t-t
2016-12-10 01:49 Julie: is fine owo
2016-12-10 01:50 Julie: im glad to help out x3
2016-12-10 01:50 Julie: welp I have nothing else to point out owo, you pretty much know what you are doing and will recheck those snap
2016-12-10 01:50 shadowsnoop: wouldnt call a help, would rather call a lesson
2016-12-10 01:50 shadowsnoop: lolol
2016-12-10 01:50 Julie: haha xD
2016-12-10 01:50 shadowsnoop: senpaied the shit out of me
2016-12-10 01:50 shadowsnoop: \o/
2016-12-10 01:50 Julie: I'm glad to hear that x3

Keep it up >w<!!
Topic Starter
shadowsnoop

Julie wrote:

That was fun x3!
2016-12-10 00:37 Julie: 00:12:571 (12571|0,12660|1) - hmm make it like this http://puu.sh/sKl7G/bf5a5fbb63.jpg so it doesnt feel like is some kind of stairs? since the sound should have different feeling at 00:12:571 -
2016-12-10 00:38 Julie: so it feel like this 00:12:392 - it go down, then here 00:12:571 - it go up
2016-12-10 00:39 shadowsnoop: Okay, got the stair thingy, indeed a stair doesnt represent it tooo well, changed! <3
2016-12-10 00:44 Julie: 01:11:678 (71678|3,71856|2,71856|1,72035|0) - I feel so nazi on the piano, mostly because of this 01:11:499 (71499|3,71678|3) - , feel like a random jack
2016-12-10 00:44 Julie: since the piano at 01:11:678 - is the same as 01:12:035 -
2016-12-10 00:44 Julie: and 01:11:856 - same as 01:11:499 -
2016-12-10 00:45 Julie: so something like that for example http://puu.sh/sKlrv/d8efdabc3e.jpg would feel more fitting no?
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: "I feel so nazi" HAHA
2016-12-10 00:45 Julie: =wwwwww=
2016-12-10 00:45 Julie: my ears too sensible sometimes =w=
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: oh are they the same?
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: didnt know that
2016-12-10 00:45 Julie: yeah from the piano pitch
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: D: awn
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: I suck at pitch
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: sorry
2016-12-10 00:45 shadowsnoop: :(
2016-12-10 00:45 Julie: is okix d
2016-12-10 00:46 Julie: it develop the ears the more you map and mods owo
2016-12-10 00:46 shadowsnoop: Im usually really bad at piano related stuff :( need to work on that
2016-12-10 00:47 shadowsnoop: and yes! changed that
2016-12-10 00:47 Julie: yeah example, 01:16:588 (76588|2,76678|1,76767|2,76856|1,76946|2,77035|1,77124|2) - honestly not sure what this trill is for
2016-12-10 00:47 shadowsnoop: way better =w=
2016-12-10 00:47 Julie: is it really for the piano? xD
2016-12-10 00:47 shadowsnoop: protastic
2016-12-10 00:47 shadowsnoop: told me to
2016-12-10 00:47 Julie: =w=
2016-12-10 00:47 Julie: I really cant seem to see what is trying to match
2016-12-10 00:47 shadowsnoop: It wasnt like this
2016-12-10 00:47 Julie: 01:16:946 - no piano
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: exactly
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: this note
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: in my original file
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: was in the far left
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: instead
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: with a 2 note gap
2016-12-10 00:48 Julie: it only have that constant winds sound, but i mean is so low, and if you would just match the winds, then it should be trills non stop which wouldnt make sense
2016-12-10 00:48 shadowsnoop: between the other note
2016-12-10 00:48 Julie: and tbh even taht winds sound kinda follow the piano pitch a bit, so I really dont see why is there such long trills
2016-12-10 00:49 Julie: like what is it match there? the piano pitch doesnt even repeat there? xD
2016-12-10 00:49 Julie: hmm
2016-12-10 00:49 shadowsnoop: I did in the beggining
2016-12-10 00:49 shadowsnoop: like
2016-12-10 00:49 shadowsnoop: 1 3 2 4
2016-12-10 00:49 shadowsnoop: pattern
2016-12-10 00:49 shadowsnoop: with the gap on the last note you highlited
2016-12-10 00:50 shadowsnoop: so what would you recomend :(?
2016-12-10 00:50 Julie: I would go with something like this http://puu.sh/sKlEG/ec6cfd9fac.jpg in term of pitch, since these 01:16:678 (76678|0,76767|1,76856|2) - and these 01:17:035 (77035|1,77124|2,77213|3) - follow
2016-12-10 00:50 Julie: but this 01:17:035 (77035|1,77124|2,77213|3) - higher pitch then 01:16:678 (76678|0,76767|1,76856|2) -
2016-12-10 00:51 Julie: and is like one of the easy part of the map, so even in gameplay, cant see much trouble
2016-12-10 00:51 shadowsnoop: huuuum
2016-12-10 00:51 Julie: you dont have to follow the exact same
2016-12-10 00:51 Julie: 1234 still work too xD
2016-12-10 00:52 Julie: Im jsut trying something so these 01:16:678 (76678|0,76767|1,76856|2) - and 01:17:035 (77035|1,77124|2,77213|3) - make a nice stairs
2016-12-10 00:52 Julie: for the pitch
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: humm will try a rework on this then
2016-12-10 00:52 Julie: oki x3
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: yes
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: will fix the lil stairs
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: and work around em
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: :3
2016-12-10 00:52 shadowsnoop: thnks =w=
2016-12-10 00:52 Julie: np x3
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: 01:29:535 (89535|0,89535|3,89624|2,89624|3,89713|1,89713|2,89803|0,89803|1,89892|3,89892|2,89981|1,89981|2,90071|1,90071|0,90160|0,90160|3,90249|3,90249|1,90338|1,90338|2) -
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: this is the kind of stuff
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: I hate the most personally
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: easy to see but doesnt fit the song at all, which make everything play so weird
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: is pretty much easy to see is "double stairs right to left" in 4k
2016-12-10 00:59 Julie: but arghhh it just
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: doesnt fit the song at all
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: like a harder pattern to read that is jacking all randomly
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: would be more fun to play then this personally
2016-12-10 01:00 shadowsnoop: I actually did this directional jack
2016-12-10 01:00 shadowsnoop: because the sound would actually remind me of a directional stair
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: 01:29:624 (89624|3,89624|2,89713|2,89713|1,89803|1,89803|0) - 01:29:892 (89892|2,89892|3,89981|1,89981|2,90071|1,90071|0) -
2016-12-10 01:00 shadowsnoop: so thats why I did that
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: same
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: x.x
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: hmm
2016-12-10 01:00 Julie: okiii
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: like
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: I tried to actually make some relation
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: between the jack patterning
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: and the music
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: instead of some random stuff
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: so everytime I would get the "stair/directional" feeling
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: I'd map something like that
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: that "steady" build up sound
2016-12-10 01:01 shadowsnoop: or something like that
2016-12-10 01:02 Julie: yeah some would like because easy to read owo
2016-12-10 01:02 shadowsnoop: but I get that there is lot of ppls dont like directional jacks too much
2016-12-10 01:02 Julie: but some like me
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: when it just doesnt fit match the song, we go arghh
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: but yours is not that bad
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: is just
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: a small part
2016-12-10 01:03 shadowsnoop: I could rework then to be fair
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: there is some..is non stop for like 3-4 stanza, right to left
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: AND THE SONG
2016-12-10 01:03 shadowsnoop: its like I'm picky of something
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: is different feeling each stanzaaa
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: aaaaa
2016-12-10 01:03 shadowsnoop: ok
2016-12-10 01:03 shadowsnoop: I literraly
2016-12-10 01:03 Julie: yours is ok, just a small part, it was just me reminding of those freaking rank one that did this error but like for a long part..
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: literally
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: just saw what you talking about
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: and totally got your point and I agree with it
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: LOL
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: because I wasnt paying atention to a part of the sound
2016-12-10 01:04 Julie: YEAH LOL
2016-12-10 01:04 Julie: oh
2016-12-10 01:04 Julie: haha
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: LOL
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: ok, will rework on those
2016-12-10 01:04 shadowsnoop: the flow is incorrect
2016-12-10 01:06 Julie: or you can keep like the first one and change the 2nd http://puu.sh/sKmjM/339e624e7b.jpg, idk, really just example xD.
2016-12-10 01:06 shadowsnoop: yes! exactly
2016-12-10 01:06 shadowsnoop: its exactly what I was thinking
2016-12-10 01:06 shadowsnoop: yes
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: the sound indeed has this ~movement~
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: between the 2 sets of jack
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: so no point on repeating the pattern
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: its just dumb
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: and wrong
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: and bad
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: and I suck
2016-12-10 01:07 shadowsnoop: sorry mom
2016-12-10 01:08 Julie: ahahaha
2016-12-10 01:08 Julie: nah you dont suck haha
2016-12-10 01:08 Julie: everyone learn owo, even I learn as well from modding x3
2016-12-10 01:08 shadowsnoop: its literally my first ~real~ map
2016-12-10 01:08 shadowsnoop: that I'm modding and trying to improve and stuff
2016-12-10 01:08 shadowsnoop: :(
2016-12-10 01:10 Julie: is pretty ncie for a first real map owo
2016-12-10 01:10 shadowsnoop: :<,
2016-12-10 01:14 Julie: 01:34:445 (94445|3,94445|0,94535|3,94535|1,94624|2,94624|1) - maybe change the feeling a bit here ? Example : http://puu.sh/sKmHT/e38cdca2c4.jpg
2016-12-10 01:15 Julie: since the part of the song do kinda change but you still keep the same kind of pattern xD
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: ok so the last patterns are kinda similar to this last one
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: and since the 3 last notes are waay different
2016-12-10 01:15 Julie: yeahh xD
2016-12-10 01:15 Julie: kinda
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: and they indeed get a big "change"
2016-12-10 01:15 Julie: it give a different vibe xD
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: yes
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: I totally got you
2016-12-10 01:15 Julie: yee owo
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: and its true
2016-12-10 01:15 shadowsnoop: and good
2016-12-10 01:16 shadowsnoop: and changed
2016-12-10 01:16 shadowsnoop: nice one
2016-12-10 01:16 Julie: siiick x3
2016-12-10 01:24 Julie: 01:47:079 (107079|1) - hmm ghost notes?
2016-12-10 01:24 Julie: I only hear a triplet start at 01:47:123 - .
2016-12-10 01:25 Julie: around 01:47:123 - actually xD
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: nope
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: listen to 25%
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: its like a low kick thing
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: would be more liek
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: a hi hat
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: tbh
2016-12-10 01:25 shadowsnoop: its some static sound
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: cant explain well
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: but its definatly there D:
2016-12-10 01:26 Julie: pretty tricky to follow that sound
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: I swear
2016-12-10 01:26 Julie: xP
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: tried my best tho
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: once I can clearly hear em on 25% with my headset
2016-12-10 01:26 shadowsnoop: I tried to do it consistently
2016-12-10 01:27 shadowsnoop: "tried"
2016-12-10 01:27 shadowsnoop: :(
2016-12-10 01:27 Julie: ok lets go here for example 01:48:507 (108507|0,108552|1,108582|2) -
2016-12-10 01:27 shadowsnoop: but I recheked that section quite a lot
2016-12-10 01:27 Julie: are you trying to follow that drum?
2016-12-10 01:27 shadowsnoop: kinda, I did a simplification in this part
2016-12-10 01:27 shadowsnoop: once anything else would feel kinda lost
2016-12-10 01:28 Julie: I hope you know that drum is 1/6
2016-12-10 01:28 shadowsnoop: at least in my point
2016-12-10 01:28 Julie: example on 25%
2016-12-10 01:28 Julie: how many drum sound you hear start at 01:48:463 - to 01:48:641 -
2016-12-10 01:28 shadowsnoop: hum
2016-12-10 01:29 shadowsnoop: I'd say the
2016-12-10 01:29 shadowsnoop: 01:48:597 (108597|2) -
2016-12-10 01:29 shadowsnoop: is kinda tricky
2016-12-10 01:29 Julie: tricky yeah
2016-12-10 01:29 shadowsnoop: but for some reason this appears to be fine to me
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: I hear 4 sounds
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: since the drum itself do sound clear, but yet, on the background it seem like one drum sound feel like is rolling somehow
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: but the last one seems like
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: kinda lost
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: tbh I only hear 2
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: betwee that
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: yea
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: the same drum
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: you can recheck those snap later, after getting more mods and all
2016-12-10 01:30 Julie: ears will develop x3, dont worry
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: yes! I'll take a good look at this snaps later
2016-12-10 01:30 shadowsnoop: once I get a bit more of solid experience
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: I'm not gonna force you what I hear x3
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: noooooooooo
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: you will learn with time
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: owo
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: I dont see as forcing wtf
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: I know you are not
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: :(
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: I mean I know you dont see it that way xD
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: I got your 2 sounds
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: since Im not yelling and all, but yeahh
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: the really high sounds are 2
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: HAHA
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: yeah
2016-12-10 01:31 shadowsnoop: "WHY WOULD YOU SNAP LIKE THAAAAAAAAT"
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: and like that 1 drum sound
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: kinda make some kind of
2016-12-10 01:31 Julie: roll
2016-12-10 01:32 Julie: sound in the background so is sooo tricky
2016-12-10 01:32 Julie: not sure if is allow to just do a 1/8 like that
2016-12-10 01:32 shadowsnoop: exactly...
2016-12-10 01:32 Julie: yeah
2016-12-10 01:32 shadowsnoop: true
2016-12-10 01:32 shadowsnoop: I guess better safe then sorry?
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: Will mark this as a think to look about, but if I dont get a solid answer will def do your 2 sounds one
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: then it would be 100% correct
2016-12-10 01:33 Julie: even the main sound, not only the drum is 1/6 there
2016-12-10 01:33 Julie: so your choice x3
2016-12-10 01:33 Julie: there 2 sound that are on the 1/6
2016-12-10 01:33 Julie: better mark it up owo
2016-12-10 01:33 Julie: or re-read the irc XD
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: yes
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: just posted in the forum there
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: updated my to do list
2016-12-10 01:33 shadowsnoop: =w=
2016-12-10 01:34 Julie: hehe x3
2016-12-10 01:35 Julie: same for here 01:54:222 (114222|0,114266|1,114311|2) -
2016-12-10 01:35 shadowsnoop: noted
2016-12-10 01:37 Julie: 01:58:731 (118731|1,118731|2) - hmm? Why 2 notes, what is it match for?
2016-12-10 01:37 Julie: I only hear the default hitsound =w=
2016-12-10 01:39 shadowsnoop: correct
2016-12-10 01:39 shadowsnoop: probably a missplaced note
2016-12-10 01:39 shadowsnoop: thanks
2016-12-10 01:40 Julie: 02:03:552 - , 02:03:909 - and 02:04:266 - and this is the only bass with no notes =w=
2016-12-10 01:41 Julie: that you suddenly just match the main sound =w=, but for like 1 stanza
2016-12-10 01:41 Julie: hmm? =w=
2016-12-10 01:41 Julie: ok I lie , 2 part, here too 02:06:409 - + =w=
2016-12-10 01:41 Julie: actually forget what I said, you did here too 02:09:623 -
2016-12-10 01:42 Julie: I guess near the end before the last kiai you focus more on the main sound
2016-12-10 01:42 shadowsnoop: ._.
2016-12-10 01:42 shadowsnoop: yes
2016-12-10 01:42 shadowsnoop: I'm aiming at the melody
2016-12-10 01:42 shadowsnoop: at its full potential
2016-12-10 01:42 shadowsnoop: so I dont need to ~lock~ my patterning with other stuff
2016-12-10 01:43 Julie: 02:16:379 (136379|0,136409|1,136439|2) - do you really hear a 3 notes roll?
2016-12-10 01:44 Julie: I still do hear 1/6
2016-12-10 01:44 Julie: same speed as 02:16:141 (136141|3,136201|2,136260|1) -
2016-12-10 01:44 shadowsnoop: yes because its the poly
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: so its a
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: 1/6 melody
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: like the rest
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: but there is a drum sound
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: in the middle
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: in the 1/4
2016-12-10 01:45 Julie: I hear it 1/4
2016-12-10 01:45 shadowsnoop: so I'd make a roll to make it easy to read
2016-12-10 01:45 Julie: idk about that, one drum is one, not a 1/12 roll drum xD
2016-12-10 01:46 shadowsnoop: the the poly
2016-12-10 01:46 shadowsnoop: is a mix from the melody
2016-12-10 01:46 shadowsnoop: and the drum itself
2016-12-10 01:46 shadowsnoop: melody > https://puu.sh/sKnWb/26bac67a98.jpg
2016-12-10 01:46 shadowsnoop: the middle one is the drum hit
2016-12-10 01:46 Julie: OH IS ON 1/6
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: omg 2am here
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: my bad
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: I do hear that 1/4 but I didnt know that those snap 1/12 was also on 1/6 xD
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: oh gawd
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: woops
2016-12-10 01:47 shadowsnoop: ._. LOL
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: im starting to de-rail
2016-12-10 01:47 Julie: =w=
2016-12-10 01:47 shadowsnoop: D: SORRY
2016-12-10 01:48 shadowsnoop: you should be tired
2016-12-10 01:48 shadowsnoop: t-t
2016-12-10 01:48 Julie: nuuu is my fault =w=, worked full day + sleeping late =w=
2016-12-10 01:48 Julie: but glad to see you know what you are doing owo
2016-12-10 01:49 shadowsnoop: exactly, I should let you get rest t-t
2016-12-10 01:49 Julie: is fine owo
2016-12-10 01:50 Julie: im glad to help out x3
2016-12-10 01:50 Julie: welp I have nothing else to point out owo, you pretty much know what you are doing and will recheck those snap
2016-12-10 01:50 shadowsnoop: wouldnt call a help, would rather call a lesson
2016-12-10 01:50 shadowsnoop: lolol
2016-12-10 01:50 Julie: haha xD
2016-12-10 01:50 shadowsnoop: senpaied the shit out of me
2016-12-10 01:50 shadowsnoop: \o/
2016-12-10 01:50 Julie: I'm glad to hear that x3

Keep it up >w<!!
I love you mom =w= thanks a tonnnnnn!!!!!!!!!
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lenpai
gimme kds chat stuff
roko100789
dae

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• é porque é algo que considero relevante, •• é porque acho opcional pacas e não considero tanto como uma mudança relevante
Also, I might have linked wrong timing points since you updated the map and I didn't see it

please don't click me, you're going to regret
• 00:12:749 (12749|3) - Eu honestamente não acho que isso deveria ser uma ln, não vejo sentido pra representar esse som com isso (e se futuramente tu for adicionar svs, definitivamente vai ter que ser uma single note)

• Pra seguir o pitch de 00:20:785 - , seria interessante tu ter uma jump em 00:21:142 - . Tu pode tentar rearranjar as patterns em algo como esse coco ou sla, a parte de imaginação de patterns no caso do 4k não fica comigo xd;


• 00:22:124 (22124|2) - Sei que tu usou essa ln pra representar o som decrescente, mas não acho que ela seja tão necessária (em especial porque futuramente tu pode representar o som com um sv não, não vou parar de falar dos svs;

•• 00:40:785 - (e aproveitando pra usar de gancho 00:46:499 - ) -- eu como player não acho que manter oh trills nesses trechos seja a forma mais confortável de trillhar o mapa, então eu optaria por mover 00:40:845 (40845|1,40964|1,41083|1) - para a terceira coluna (e mover 00:40:696 (40696|2) - pra segunda pra não cagar com tudo) e 00:46:559 (46559|2,46678|2,46797|2) - para a segunda;

• Essa parte é meio complicada, porque ela abre duas opções pra ti na verdade também tem a terceira, que é ignorar e deixar como tá, mas shhhhhhhhh:
I - Em partes como de 01:22:303 - a 01:22:838 - você tira as single notes, já que o som principal já está sendo representado por lns;
II - Em partes como 01:21:946 - , 01:23:017 - , 01:23:374 - e etc, onde suponho eu que você não tenha colocado notas em prol da jogabilidade, você vai precisar colocar notas, já que em todas as situações, o som é o mesmo (além de que a impressão de que tive éde que realmente há sons que exigem uma nota nesses pontos);

• 01:44:713 - ~ 01:45:784 - Por questões de pitch, eu diria pra você reorganizar essa parte como essa amoeba -- a parte é calma e curta, não tem muito como escapar de seguir o pitch. Caso tu ache o minijack formado na 3 em 01:45:606 - desconfortável, tu pode mover 01:45:784 (105784|2) - pra 4 e dar um ctrl + h em 01:45:873 (105873|0,105963|2,105963|3,106052|1,106141|0,106141|3,106231|2,106320|0,106320|1,106409|3) - (deus, fica tão feio copiar todas as notas);

•• 01:46:856 - Ok, eu fui mudando as paradas e me perdi no que era o mapa original aqui lmao, mas dá nada. O meu comentário era que seria interessante tu retirar uma hand dentre a parte que tava em 1/8 pra deixar a jogabilidade mais confortável, mas isso exigiria um rearangement, e eu fui tentar fazer ele e no fim perdi o que era original. Tu provavelmente vai ver a hand que eu tava comentando pelo timing que mandei, então se ela te incomodar, tenta rearranjar pra algo como ~esse Guigui;

•• 01:51:141 - Acho mais maneiro tu só deixar 01:51:141 (111141|3) - como ln viva, remover as outras duas e rearranjar em algo como esse Lunk;

•• 01:58:284 - Tu poderia transformar 01:58:284 (118284|3) - e 01:58:463 (118463|2) - em minilns de 1/4, e 01:58:552 (118552|1) - em uma single note, adicionar uma nota na 4 em 01:58:641 - . Isso seguiria a intensidade da percursão de forma melhor, penso eu;

•• 02:02:213 - Tu poderia tirar os 1/6 e pegar as batidas de fundo que tão em 1/3, isso deixaria um pouco mais smooth pra hittar os 1/8 que vêm em seguida, acho.

É basicamente isso, dsclp pelo mod merda. Eventualmente apareço pra moddar as outras diffs, aí compenso esse mod horrível.
Topic Starter
shadowsnoop

Lazarento wrote:

dae

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• é porque é algo que considero relevante, •• é porque acho opcional pacas e não considero tanto como uma mudança relevante
Also, I might have linked wrong timing points since you updated the map and I didn't see it

please don't click me, you're going to regret
• 00:12:749 (12749|3) - Eu honestamente não acho que isso deveria ser uma ln, não vejo sentido pra representar esse som com isso (e se futuramente tu for adicionar svs, definitivamente vai ter que ser uma single note) Vou manter como LN caso não venha a ter SV. Se tiver, ai eu tiro :3

• Pra seguir o pitch de 00:20:785 - , seria interessante tu ter uma jump em 00:21:142 - . Tu pode tentar rearranjar as patterns em algo como esse coco ou sla, a parte de imaginação de patterns no caso do 4k não fica comigo xd; Prefiro manter essa pattern mais simples por ser a intro e o chart não ser focado em burst, acho que isso smooth é mais condizente não só com a dificuldade dos outros bursts, mas como a estrutura geral


• 00:22:124 (22124|2) - Sei que tu usou essa ln pra representar o som decrescente, mas não acho que ela seja tão necessária (em especial porque futuramente tu pode representar o som com um sv não, não vou parar de falar dos svs; Tirei, cocozão.

•• 00:40:785 - (e aproveitando pra usar de gancho 00:46:499 - ) -- eu como player não acho que manter oh trills nesses trechos seja a forma mais confortável de trillhar o mapa, então eu optaria por mover 00:40:845 (40845|1,40964|1,41083|1) - para a terceira coluna (e mover 00:40:696 (40696|2) - pra segunda pra não cagar com tudo) e 00:46:559 (46559|2,46678|2,46797|2) - para a segunda; Justificativa das trills não serem as mais confortáveis: É um som de transição, tu sai da seção de jacks, tem a trill e depois um breakpoint, se as trills fossem muito amenas, seria bem desinteressante, até por que o som é bem caótico, não combina com algo muito smooth, preferi dar essa "movimentação", pra fechar a seção dos jacks com algo mais impactante também.

• Essa parte é meio complicada, porque ela abre duas opções pra ti na verdade também tem a terceira, que é ignorar e deixar como tá, mas shhhhhhhhh:
I - Em partes como de 01:22:303 - a 01:22:838 - você tira as single notes, já que o som principal já está sendo representado por lns;
II - Em partes como 01:21:946 - , 01:23:017 - , 01:23:374 - e etc, onde suponho eu que você não tenha colocado notas em prol da jogabilidade, você vai precisar colocar notas, já que em todas as situações, o som é o mesmo (além de que a impressão de que tive éde que realmente há sons que exigem uma nota nesses pontos); caralho dude, nice catch. Tirei as notas que eram inconsistentes! Agora ficou só as da percussão mesmo.

• 01:44:713 - ~ 01:45:784 - Por questões de pitch, eu diria pra você reorganizar essa parte como essa amoeba -- a parte é calma e curta, não tem muito como escapar de seguir o pitch. Caso tu ache o minijack formado na 3 em 01:45:606 - desconfortável, tu pode mover 01:45:784 (105784|2) - pra 4 e dar um ctrl + h em 01:45:873 (105873|0,105963|2,105963|3,106052|1,106141|0,106141|3,106231|2,106320|0,106320|1,106409|3) - (deus, fica tão feio copiar todas as notas); mudei \o/ http://i.imgur.com/onn7U2J.jpg

•• 01:46:856 - Ok, eu fui mudando as paradas e me perdi no que era o mapa original aqui lmao, mas dá nada. O meu comentário era que seria interessante tu retirar uma hand dentre a parte que tava em 1/8 pra deixar a jogabilidade mais confortável, mas isso exigiria um rearangement, e eu fui tentar fazer ele e no fim perdi o que era original. Tu provavelmente vai ver a hand que eu tava comentando pelo timing que mandei, então se ela te incomodar, tenta rearranjar pra algo como ~esse Guigui; Ninguém até agora reclamou disso na real, tanto quem testou, como o pessoal que modou, vou deixar marcado caso alguem reclame

•• 01:51:141 - Acho mais maneiro tu só deixar 01:51:141 (111141|3) - como ln viva, remover as outras duas e rearranjar em algo como esse Lunk; Curti!

•• 01:58:284 - Tu poderia transformar 01:58:284 (118284|3) - e 01:58:463 (118463|2) - em minilns de 1/4, e 01:58:552 (118552|1) - em uma single note, adicionar uma nota na 4 em 01:58:641 - . Isso seguiria a intensidade da percursão de forma melhor, penso eu; vou deixar isso em hold, me pareceu uma boa sugestão então vou olhar com carinho depois

•• 02:02:213 - Tu poderia tirar os 1/6 e pegar as batidas de fundo que tão em 1/3, isso deixaria um pouco mais smooth pra hittar os 1/8 que vêm em seguida, acho.realmente curto como tá agora, se alguém xiar eu troco :c


É basicamente isso, dsclp pelo mod merda. Eventualmente apareço pra moddar as outras diffs, aí compenso esse mod horrível.
<3
Antalf
The mod for the almighty rainbow doggo Dragon

Even if the mod is short, always keep the format, fancy a f.

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Witch's Candy
NM

• 00:21:767 (21767|3) - Double here will fit just fine, sound justification = synth and crash.

• 00:34:357 (34357|1,35071|2,35428|3,35607|0) - Okay so.. this is uncomfortable for a player thats in the range of NM, the LN rise up with the shielded double doesnt play that good as it should, i recommend deleting this 00:35:428 (35428|3) - , moving everything one column to the right and moving this double 00:35:785 (35785|1,35785|2) - to [1][2].

From 01:10:071 (70071|1,70071|0) - to 01:14:356 (74356|0,74356|3) - Why not add 1/1 singles as complement for the piano? that pat there feels very empty without it and wouldn't be bad to give it that sound.

From 01:14:356 (74356|3,74356|0) - to 01:15:428 (75428|1,75428|2) - Same here as well, feel really empty without it and its not as hard as it seems to play.

From 01:16:499 (76499|1,76499|2) - to 01:17:571 (77571|0,77571|1) - ^

• 01:40:785 (100785|1) - Consider adding a single here [4] there's a crash sound here with a kick yet i only see a LN, try it.

• 01:41:678 - Why no single here? Sounds like a section were you would use (and you are) constant 1/2 and i here a kick here, hell even a synth! Might want to consider this as well.

• 01:43:553 (103553|2,103820|0,103999|1) - This here feels a bit undermapped, more than it should honestly; why not adding something like this?

• 02:20:189 (140189|1,140427|2,140665|3) - Wrong snapping, it feels weird since the beats are basically skipped, i recommend you use 1/12 ad find their sweet spot.
Sorry for the quality in fact but mod is a mod ||||. Good darn stuff actually to be you not making a 3.5* NM im proud o/ now, give me dem kds.
Topic Starter
shadowsnoop

Antalf wrote:

The mod for the almighty rainbow doggo Dragon

Even if the mod is short, always keep the format, fancy a f.

1 | 2 | 3 | 4


Witch's Candy
NM

• 00:21:767 (21767|3) - Double here will fit just fine, sound justification = synth and crash.

• 00:34:357 (34357|1,35071|2,35428|3,35607|0) - Okay so.. this is uncomfortable for a player thats in the range of NM, the LN rise up with the shielded double doesnt play that good as it should, i recommend deleting this 00:35:428 (35428|3) - , moving everything one column to the right and moving this double 00:35:785 (35785|1,35785|2) - to [1][2].

From 01:10:071 (70071|1,70071|0) - to 01:14:356 (74356|0,74356|3) - Why not add 1/1 singles as complement for the piano? that pat there feels very empty without it and wouldn't be bad to give it that sound.

From 01:14:356 (74356|3,74356|0) - to 01:15:428 (75428|1,75428|2) - Same here as well, feel really empty without it and its not as hard as it seems to play.

From 01:16:499 (76499|1,76499|2) - to 01:17:571 (77571|0,77571|1) - ^

• 01:40:785 (100785|1) - Consider adding a single here [4] there's a crash sound here with a kick yet i only see a LN, try it.

• 01:41:678 - Why no single here? Sounds like a section were you would use (and you are) constant 1/2 and i here a kick here, hell even a synth! Might want to consider this as well.

• 01:43:553 (103553|2,103820|0,103999|1) - This here feels a bit undermapped, more than it should honestly; why not adding something like this?

• 02:20:189 (140189|1,140427|2,140665|3) - Wrong snapping, it feels weird since the beats are basically skipped, i recommend you use 1/12 ad find their sweet spot.
Sorry for the quality in fact but mod is a mod ||||. Good darn stuff actually to be you not making a 3.5* NM im proud o/ now, give me dem kds.
Accepted everything but the last one cuz I made a simplification! Thanks dude <3
MadBricktree
irc with rainbow dog
2017-02-08 11:39 Minseo2000: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1132175 gmtn. (witch's slave) - Daraku no Sono [Tumultu]]
2017-02-08 11:39 Minseo2000: should I do this now
2017-02-08 11:39 shadowsnoop: do what
2017-02-08 11:40 Minseo2000: mod
2017-02-08 11:40 Minseo2000: cuz you modded axion
2017-02-08 11:40 shadowsnoop: ohh, if you feel like doing it dad, go for it!
2017-02-08 11:40 Minseo2000: oki
2017-02-08 11:40 Minseo2000: starying nowe
2017-02-08 11:40 shadowsnoop: I'll seriously take a deeper look at axion again
2017-02-08 11:40 shadowsnoop: anytime soon
2017-02-08 11:40 Minseo2000: *now
2017-02-08 11:41 Minseo2000: welp
2017-02-08 11:41 Minseo2000: as someone who likes jacks
2017-02-08 11:41 Minseo2000: i say this map is nice xd
2017-02-08 11:41 shadowsnoop: <3
2017-02-08 11:41 Minseo2000: but some parts are too heavy on certain fingers imo
2017-02-08 11:41 shadowsnoop: yea they can be kinda harsh
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: 00:40:071 - ~ 00:40:696 - this one for example, is really heavy on my right hand
2017-02-08 11:42 shadowsnoop: you want to irc or you'll post on the thread?
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: which one do you prefer?
2017-02-08 11:42 shadowsnoop: I'm fine with both actually
2017-02-08 11:42 shadowsnoop: whatever you feel like its more confortable
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: well let's just irc cuz i started irc anyway
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: xdddd
2017-02-08 11:42 shadowsnoop: oky
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: ok
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: back to mod
2017-02-08 11:43 Minseo2000: 00:40:071 - this part
2017-02-08 11:43 Minseo2000: is quite right hand heavy imo
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: ok so this lil parts
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: I did like that
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: the longer jack streams are always better balanced
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: so the little ones I made heavy
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: to give a lil more diversity on the jack patterns
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: and
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: this
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: 00:40:785 (40785|0,40845|1,40904|0,40964|1,41023|0,41083|1,41142|0) -
2017-02-08 11:44 shadowsnoop: so I equalized the strain cuz the one hand trill
2017-02-08 11:44 Minseo2000: yea i saw the OH trill
2017-02-08 11:44 shadowsnoop: pretty much the main idea
2017-02-08 11:44 Minseo2000: but tbh the trill isn't heavy enough to equalize the burden on each hands imo
2017-02-08 11:45 Minseo2000: considering that there is sort of a weird trill like thing thing on the right hand as well 00:40:071 (40071|2,40160|3,40249|2,40339|2,40428|3,40517|2,40607|3,40696|2) -
2017-02-08 11:45 Minseo2000: xd
2017-02-08 11:45 shadowsnoop: hum ok
2017-02-08 11:46 Minseo2000: well i'd like to note that my points here are very subjective
2017-02-08 11:46 Minseo2000: as i'm only just going over minor playability stuff
2017-02-08 11:47 shadowsnoop: I did some minor changes
2017-02-08 11:47 shadowsnoop: should be a bit better
2017-02-08 11:47 shadowsnoop: o/
2017-02-08 11:47 Minseo2000: oki
2017-02-08 11:47 Minseo2000: oh and you mentioned that the longer jack sections were more balanced
2017-02-08 11:47 Minseo2000: but 00:42:928 - ouch my left hand
2017-02-08 11:48 shadowsnoop: "a bit better"
2017-02-08 11:48 Minseo2000: xd
2017-02-08 11:48 shadowsnoop: I'm not doing perfect balance at all
2017-02-08 11:48 shadowsnoop: otherwise the jacks kinda feel dumb
2017-02-08 11:48 Minseo2000: ofc
2017-02-08 11:49 shadowsnoop: like 00:42:928 (42928|0,43017|0,43107|1,43196|1,43196|2,43285|2,43374|3,43464|3) -
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: I'm not touching much the jacks because I had they reviewed over and over
2017-02-08 11:50 Minseo2000: hmmm
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: so its in that "limit" when I kinda push the strain
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: but its not super retarded
2017-02-08 11:50 Minseo2000: what do you think about putting chordjacks
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: (:
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: so
2017-02-08 11:50 Minseo2000: all the jacks seem to be single notes
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: the thing is
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: I actually planned a SHD diff
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: to be a chordjack
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: on 1/1
2017-02-08 11:51 shadowsnoop: with the strong kicks
2017-02-08 11:55 Minseo2000: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7265872
2017-02-08 11:55 Minseo2000: smth like that
2017-02-08 11:56 shadowsnoop: yea but that pretty much changes all the jacking structure
2017-02-08 11:56 shadowsnoop: I'd have to remap it
2017-02-08 11:56 shadowsnoop: :D
2017-02-08 11:56 Minseo2000: oh
2017-02-08 11:56 Minseo2000: :D
2017-02-08 11:56 Minseo2000: rip then
2017-02-08 11:56 shadowsnoop: cuz it will use the percussion as the jacking material
2017-02-08 11:56 shadowsnoop: and not the synth, as I'm using right now
2017-02-08 11:56 Minseo2000: well it uses synth as the base
2017-02-08 11:57 Minseo2000: and the percussion acts as a modifier
2017-02-08 11:57 Minseo2000: that's what i thought of
2017-02-08 11:57 Minseo2000: but just a suggestion
2017-02-08 11:57 Minseo2000: i felt it'll keep diversity, while making it easier to keep hand balance in check
2017-02-08 11:57 shadowsnoop: yea... Idk, I tried once and felt not what I was looking for tho, sorry D:
2017-02-08 11:57 Minseo2000: oki
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: ok
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: moving on
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: 00:47:214 - right around here
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: 00:46:916 (46916|1,47035|1,47154|1) -
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: that
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: and then 00:47:303 (47303|0,47392|0,47392|1,47482|1) -
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: .-.
2017-02-08 11:58 shadowsnoop: yes I know.
2017-02-08 11:59 Minseo2000: wouldn't it be better if you swapped the jack order
2017-02-08 11:59 Minseo2000: let the right hand jack more first and then the left hand
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: I forgot
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: to control H
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: the whole section
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: thats what I'm doing, control H was kinda of a expression yea
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: LOL
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: nice catch tho, I completly forgot this one
2017-02-08 11:59 Minseo2000: xd
2017-02-08 12:00 shadowsnoop: even tho
2017-02-08 12:00 shadowsnoop: the 3 stack is
2017-02-08 12:00 shadowsnoop: 126 bpm
2017-02-08 12:00 shadowsnoop: eeeh
2017-02-08 12:00 shadowsnoop: I'll change it, yea
2017-02-08 12:01 shadowsnoop: done
2017-02-08 12:01 Minseo2000: hmm
2017-02-08 12:01 Minseo2000: i forgot what i was going to say
2017-02-08 12:01 Minseo2000: wait
2017-02-08 12:01 shadowsnoop: lol
2017-02-08 12:02 Minseo2000: oh yea
2017-02-08 12:02 Minseo2000: 00:57:214 - it felt hard to transition here
2017-02-08 12:02 Minseo2000: mainly cuz of this 00:57:214 (57214|3,57303|2,57392|3,57482|2) -
2017-02-08 12:02 shadowsnoop: yea I know.
2017-02-08 12:02 Minseo2000: i think
2017-02-08 12:03 shadowsnoop: like at first
2017-02-08 12:03 shadowsnoop: its not much
2017-02-08 12:03 shadowsnoop: since its 168 bpm
2017-02-08 12:04 Minseo2000: it felt pretty fast to me
2017-02-08 12:04 Minseo2000: but then
2017-02-08 12:04 Minseo2000: i can't A this map
2017-02-08 12:04 Minseo2000: xddddddddd
2017-02-08 12:05 shadowsnoop: well, its hard
2017-02-08 12:05 shadowsnoop: D:
2017-02-08 12:05 shadowsnoop: not meant to be easy by any means
2017-02-08 12:05 shadowsnoop: I'll see if I take that trill off
2017-02-08 12:06 Minseo2000: at this point i'm just nitpicking stuff xd
2017-02-08 12:07 Minseo2000: hmm
2017-02-08 12:07 shadowsnoop: tell me what you think about this
2017-02-08 12:07 shadowsnoop: http://i.imgur.com/frIrIsX.png
2017-02-08 12:07 Minseo2000: loading image
2017-02-08 12:07 Minseo2000: gimme a few minutes xd
2017-02-08 12:07 shadowsnoop: lol
2017-02-08 12:07 shadowsnoop: D:
2017-02-08 12:09 Minseo2000: chordjack pls :D
2017-02-08 12:09 Minseo2000: well
2017-02-08 12:09 Minseo2000: jokes aside
2017-02-08 12:09 Minseo2000: 00:57:482 (57482|2,57571|2,57660|3,57749|2,57749|3,57839|2) - a bit heavy on the right hand here
2017-02-08 12:09 shadowsnoop: yea it is
2017-02-08 12:09 shadowsnoop: but theres no perfect balance in this
2017-02-08 12:09 Minseo2000: lemme think up of smth
2017-02-08 12:11 Minseo2000: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7265938 this?
2017-02-08 12:11 Minseo2000: maybe
2017-02-08 12:11 shadowsnoop: lol I was doing something very similar right now
2017-02-08 12:11 Minseo2000: xd
2017-02-08 12:12 Minseo2000: i thought grouping fingers together might be nice
2017-02-08 12:13 shadowsnoop: well tbh
2017-02-08 12:13 shadowsnoop: I cant say I dislike it
2017-02-08 12:13 Minseo2000: i like how everything i point out and suggest you already thought of xd
2017-02-08 12:16 shadowsnoop: like, we have some really reeeeally similar ideas :D
2017-02-08 12:16 Minseo2000: too similar xd
2017-02-08 12:16 shadowsnoop: and I worked a lot in this piece of shit
2017-02-08 12:16 shadowsnoop: so I tried a lot of stuff
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: and I'll let the chordjacks indeed
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: I liked it
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: o/
2017-02-08 12:17 Minseo2000: you should really add some more chordjacks xddddd
2017-02-08 12:17 Minseo2000: to trigger prot
2017-02-08 12:17 Minseo2000: jkjk
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: lmfao
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: poor thing
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: usually the chordjacks are easier to hit anyways
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: so idk
2017-02-08 12:17 Minseo2000: add more notes then?
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: I like the minijacks more cuz you cant just mash :D
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: thats the SHD ;)
2017-02-08 12:18 Minseo2000: ooooh
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: a hand every 1/1
2017-02-08 12:18 Minseo2000: great i'm looking forward to it ;)
2017-02-08 12:18 Minseo2000: make it quad :^)
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: basically I'll be adding the percussion layer
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: with the synths
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: but I have no idea if I should do it tbh
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: LOL
2017-02-08 12:19 shadowsnoop: prota HATES ME for this
2017-02-08 12:19 shadowsnoop: 01:37:838 (97838|1,97928|0,97928|2,97928|3,98106|1,98106|0,98106|2,98285|0,98285|3,98285|1,98463|3,98463|2,98463|0,98642|1,98642|3,98642|2,98820|0,98820|2,98820|1,98999|3,98999|0,98999|2,99178|3,99267|1,99356|0,99356|3,99356|2,99624|1,99713|2,99713|0,99713|3) -
2017-02-08 12:19 shadowsnoop: imagine putting quads.
2017-02-08 12:19 Minseo2000: that's where i recover my lost acc from the jacks xddd
2017-02-08 12:20 Minseo2000: ok lemme just put down what i think are not very balanced
2017-02-08 12:20 Minseo2000: 01:31:499 - left middle finger
2017-02-08 12:20 Minseo2000: 01:40:070 - right hand
2017-02-08 12:20 Minseo2000: 01:43:285 - left middle finger
2017-02-08 12:21 Minseo2000: 01:58:641 - ~ 02:00:070 - left middle finger
2017-02-08 12:21 Minseo2000: conclusion : my left middle finger hurts
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: pretty much >D
2017-02-08 12:22 Minseo2000: not sure if i can mod this more xd
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: oh shit
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: ok
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: the first snapo
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: the placement of the first jack is wrong actually
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: 01:31:499 -
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: changed
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: it was missplaced wtf
2017-02-08 12:22 Minseo2000: xddddd
2017-02-08 12:23 Minseo2000: on a note
2017-02-08 12:23 Minseo2000: 01:31:499 - this part
2017-02-08 12:23 Minseo2000: col 2 is pretty empty imo
2017-02-08 12:23 Minseo2000: so maybe you can move some jacks there
2017-02-08 12:23 shadowsnoop: ye I did
2017-02-08 12:24 shadowsnoop: 01:40:070 - fixed here too
2017-02-08 12:24 Minseo2000: cool you keep reading my mind
2017-02-08 12:24 shadowsnoop: ;)
2017-02-08 12:24 Minseo2000: welp
2017-02-08 12:24 Minseo2000: i'm out of stuff to say
2017-02-08 12:25 Minseo2000: and it hasn't even been an hour
2017-02-08 12:25 shadowsnoop: hell, everything you said was super helpfull already
2017-02-08 12:25 shadowsnoop: lol
2017-02-08 12:25 Minseo2000: good to hear that
2017-02-08 12:25 Minseo2000: glad to be of help
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: I fucked up stuff in the last update
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: and you pretty much catched em
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: !!
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: o/
2017-02-08 12:26 Minseo2000: lemme go shoot a star or smth
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: just favorite it and I'll take it :p jk jk
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: lmao
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: thanks dad for the help
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: I appreciate it a lot o/
2017-02-08 12:27 Minseo2000: no problem
2017-02-08 12:27 Minseo2000: you modded axion anyway
2017-02-08 12:27 Minseo2000: i'm just trying to reciprocate your help
2017-02-08 12:28 shadowsnoop: okyy
2017-02-08 12:28 shadowsnoop: post the irc and I'll kudosu
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shadowsnoop

Minseo2000 wrote:

irc with rainbow dog
2017-02-08 11:39 Minseo2000: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1132175 gmtn. (witch's slave) - Daraku no Sono [Tumultu]]
2017-02-08 11:39 Minseo2000: should I do this now
2017-02-08 11:39 shadowsnoop: do what
2017-02-08 11:40 Minseo2000: mod
2017-02-08 11:40 Minseo2000: cuz you modded axion
2017-02-08 11:40 shadowsnoop: ohh, if you feel like doing it dad, go for it!
2017-02-08 11:40 Minseo2000: oki
2017-02-08 11:40 Minseo2000: starying nowe
2017-02-08 11:40 shadowsnoop: I'll seriously take a deeper look at axion again
2017-02-08 11:40 shadowsnoop: anytime soon
2017-02-08 11:40 Minseo2000: *now
2017-02-08 11:41 Minseo2000: welp
2017-02-08 11:41 Minseo2000: as someone who likes jacks
2017-02-08 11:41 Minseo2000: i say this map is nice xd
2017-02-08 11:41 shadowsnoop: <3
2017-02-08 11:41 Minseo2000: but some parts are too heavy on certain fingers imo
2017-02-08 11:41 shadowsnoop: yea they can be kinda harsh
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: 00:40:071 - ~ 00:40:696 - this one for example, is really heavy on my right hand
2017-02-08 11:42 shadowsnoop: you want to irc or you'll post on the thread?
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: which one do you prefer?
2017-02-08 11:42 shadowsnoop: I'm fine with both actually
2017-02-08 11:42 shadowsnoop: whatever you feel like its more confortable
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: well let's just irc cuz i started irc anyway
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: xdddd
2017-02-08 11:42 shadowsnoop: oky
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: ok
2017-02-08 11:42 Minseo2000: back to mod
2017-02-08 11:43 Minseo2000: 00:40:071 - this part
2017-02-08 11:43 Minseo2000: is quite right hand heavy imo
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: ok so this lil parts
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: I did like that
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: the longer jack streams are always better balanced
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: so the little ones I made heavy
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: to give a lil more diversity on the jack patterns
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: and
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: this
2017-02-08 11:43 shadowsnoop: 00:40:785 (40785|0,40845|1,40904|0,40964|1,41023|0,41083|1,41142|0) -
2017-02-08 11:44 shadowsnoop: so I equalized the strain cuz the one hand trill
2017-02-08 11:44 Minseo2000: yea i saw the OH trill
2017-02-08 11:44 shadowsnoop: pretty much the main idea
2017-02-08 11:44 Minseo2000: but tbh the trill isn't heavy enough to equalize the burden on each hands imo
2017-02-08 11:45 Minseo2000: considering that there is sort of a weird trill like thing thing on the right hand as well 00:40:071 (40071|2,40160|3,40249|2,40339|2,40428|3,40517|2,40607|3,40696|2) -
2017-02-08 11:45 Minseo2000: xd
2017-02-08 11:45 shadowsnoop: hum ok
2017-02-08 11:46 Minseo2000: well i'd like to note that my points here are very subjective
2017-02-08 11:46 Minseo2000: as i'm only just going over minor playability stuff
2017-02-08 11:47 shadowsnoop: I did some minor changes
2017-02-08 11:47 shadowsnoop: should be a bit better
2017-02-08 11:47 shadowsnoop: o/
2017-02-08 11:47 Minseo2000: oki
2017-02-08 11:47 Minseo2000: oh and you mentioned that the longer jack sections were more balanced
2017-02-08 11:47 Minseo2000: but 00:42:928 - ouch my left hand
2017-02-08 11:48 shadowsnoop: "a bit better"
2017-02-08 11:48 Minseo2000: xd
2017-02-08 11:48 shadowsnoop: I'm not doing perfect balance at all
2017-02-08 11:48 shadowsnoop: otherwise the jacks kinda feel dumb
2017-02-08 11:48 Minseo2000: ofc
2017-02-08 11:49 shadowsnoop: like 00:42:928 (42928|0,43017|0,43107|1,43196|1,43196|2,43285|2,43374|3,43464|3) -
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: I'm not touching much the jacks because I had they reviewed over and over
2017-02-08 11:50 Minseo2000: hmmm
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: so its in that "limit" when I kinda push the strain
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: but its not super retarded
2017-02-08 11:50 Minseo2000: what do you think about putting chordjacks
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: (:
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: so
2017-02-08 11:50 Minseo2000: all the jacks seem to be single notes
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: the thing is
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: I actually planned a SHD diff
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: to be a chordjack
2017-02-08 11:50 shadowsnoop: on 1/1
2017-02-08 11:51 shadowsnoop: with the strong kicks
2017-02-08 11:55 Minseo2000: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7265872
2017-02-08 11:55 Minseo2000: smth like that
2017-02-08 11:56 shadowsnoop: yea but that pretty much changes all the jacking structure
2017-02-08 11:56 shadowsnoop: I'd have to remap it
2017-02-08 11:56 shadowsnoop: :D
2017-02-08 11:56 Minseo2000: oh
2017-02-08 11:56 Minseo2000: :D
2017-02-08 11:56 Minseo2000: rip then
2017-02-08 11:56 shadowsnoop: cuz it will use the percussion as the jacking material
2017-02-08 11:56 shadowsnoop: and not the synth, as I'm using right now
2017-02-08 11:56 Minseo2000: well it uses synth as the base
2017-02-08 11:57 Minseo2000: and the percussion acts as a modifier
2017-02-08 11:57 Minseo2000: that's what i thought of
2017-02-08 11:57 Minseo2000: but just a suggestion
2017-02-08 11:57 Minseo2000: i felt it'll keep diversity, while making it easier to keep hand balance in check
2017-02-08 11:57 shadowsnoop: yea... Idk, I tried once and felt not what I was looking for tho, sorry D:
2017-02-08 11:57 Minseo2000: oki
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: ok
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: moving on
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: 00:47:214 - right around here
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: 00:46:916 (46916|1,47035|1,47154|1) -
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: that
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: and then 00:47:303 (47303|0,47392|0,47392|1,47482|1) -
2017-02-08 11:58 Minseo2000: .-.
2017-02-08 11:58 shadowsnoop: yes I know.
2017-02-08 11:59 Minseo2000: wouldn't it be better if you swapped the jack order
2017-02-08 11:59 Minseo2000: let the right hand jack more first and then the left hand
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: I forgot
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: to control H
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: the whole section
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: thats what I'm doing, control H was kinda of a expression yea
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: LOL
2017-02-08 11:59 shadowsnoop: nice catch tho, I completly forgot this one
2017-02-08 11:59 Minseo2000: xd
2017-02-08 12:00 shadowsnoop: even tho
2017-02-08 12:00 shadowsnoop: the 3 stack is
2017-02-08 12:00 shadowsnoop: 126 bpm
2017-02-08 12:00 shadowsnoop: eeeh
2017-02-08 12:00 shadowsnoop: I'll change it, yea
2017-02-08 12:01 shadowsnoop: done
2017-02-08 12:01 Minseo2000: hmm
2017-02-08 12:01 Minseo2000: i forgot what i was going to say
2017-02-08 12:01 Minseo2000: wait
2017-02-08 12:01 shadowsnoop: lol
2017-02-08 12:02 Minseo2000: oh yea
2017-02-08 12:02 Minseo2000: 00:57:214 - it felt hard to transition here
2017-02-08 12:02 Minseo2000: mainly cuz of this 00:57:214 (57214|3,57303|2,57392|3,57482|2) -
2017-02-08 12:02 shadowsnoop: yea I know.
2017-02-08 12:02 Minseo2000: i think
2017-02-08 12:03 shadowsnoop: like at first
2017-02-08 12:03 shadowsnoop: its not much
2017-02-08 12:03 shadowsnoop: since its 168 bpm
2017-02-08 12:04 Minseo2000: it felt pretty fast to me
2017-02-08 12:04 Minseo2000: but then
2017-02-08 12:04 Minseo2000: i can't A this map
2017-02-08 12:04 Minseo2000: xddddddddd
2017-02-08 12:05 shadowsnoop: well, its hard
2017-02-08 12:05 shadowsnoop: D:
2017-02-08 12:05 shadowsnoop: not meant to be easy by any means
2017-02-08 12:05 shadowsnoop: I'll see if I take that trill off
2017-02-08 12:06 Minseo2000: at this point i'm just nitpicking stuff xd
2017-02-08 12:07 Minseo2000: hmm
2017-02-08 12:07 shadowsnoop: tell me what you think about this
2017-02-08 12:07 shadowsnoop: http://i.imgur.com/frIrIsX.png
2017-02-08 12:07 Minseo2000: loading image
2017-02-08 12:07 Minseo2000: gimme a few minutes xd
2017-02-08 12:07 shadowsnoop: lol
2017-02-08 12:07 shadowsnoop: D:
2017-02-08 12:09 Minseo2000: chordjack pls :D
2017-02-08 12:09 Minseo2000: well
2017-02-08 12:09 Minseo2000: jokes aside
2017-02-08 12:09 Minseo2000: 00:57:482 (57482|2,57571|2,57660|3,57749|2,57749|3,57839|2) - a bit heavy on the right hand here
2017-02-08 12:09 shadowsnoop: yea it is
2017-02-08 12:09 shadowsnoop: but theres no perfect balance in this
2017-02-08 12:09 Minseo2000: lemme think up of smth
2017-02-08 12:11 Minseo2000: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7265938 this?
2017-02-08 12:11 Minseo2000: maybe
2017-02-08 12:11 shadowsnoop: lol I was doing something very similar right now
2017-02-08 12:11 Minseo2000: xd
2017-02-08 12:12 Minseo2000: i thought grouping fingers together might be nice
2017-02-08 12:13 shadowsnoop: well tbh
2017-02-08 12:13 shadowsnoop: I cant say I dislike it
2017-02-08 12:13 Minseo2000: i like how everything i point out and suggest you already thought of xd
2017-02-08 12:16 shadowsnoop: like, we have some really reeeeally similar ideas :D
2017-02-08 12:16 Minseo2000: too similar xd
2017-02-08 12:16 shadowsnoop: and I worked a lot in this piece of shit
2017-02-08 12:16 shadowsnoop: so I tried a lot of stuff
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: and I'll let the chordjacks indeed
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: I liked it
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: o/
2017-02-08 12:17 Minseo2000: you should really add some more chordjacks xddddd
2017-02-08 12:17 Minseo2000: to trigger prot
2017-02-08 12:17 Minseo2000: jkjk
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: lmfao
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: poor thing
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: usually the chordjacks are easier to hit anyways
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: so idk
2017-02-08 12:17 Minseo2000: add more notes then?
2017-02-08 12:17 shadowsnoop: I like the minijacks more cuz you cant just mash :D
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: thats the SHD ;)
2017-02-08 12:18 Minseo2000: ooooh
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: a hand every 1/1
2017-02-08 12:18 Minseo2000: great i'm looking forward to it ;)
2017-02-08 12:18 Minseo2000: make it quad :^)
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: basically I'll be adding the percussion layer
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: with the synths
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: but I have no idea if I should do it tbh
2017-02-08 12:18 shadowsnoop: LOL
2017-02-08 12:19 shadowsnoop: prota HATES ME for this
2017-02-08 12:19 shadowsnoop: 01:37:838 (97838|1,97928|0,97928|2,97928|3,98106|1,98106|0,98106|2,98285|0,98285|3,98285|1,98463|3,98463|2,98463|0,98642|1,98642|3,98642|2,98820|0,98820|2,98820|1,98999|3,98999|0,98999|2,99178|3,99267|1,99356|0,99356|3,99356|2,99624|1,99713|2,99713|0,99713|3) -
2017-02-08 12:19 shadowsnoop: imagine putting quads.
2017-02-08 12:19 Minseo2000: that's where i recover my lost acc from the jacks xddd
2017-02-08 12:20 Minseo2000: ok lemme just put down what i think are not very balanced
2017-02-08 12:20 Minseo2000: 01:31:499 - left middle finger
2017-02-08 12:20 Minseo2000: 01:40:070 - right hand
2017-02-08 12:20 Minseo2000: 01:43:285 - left middle finger
2017-02-08 12:21 Minseo2000: 01:58:641 - ~ 02:00:070 - left middle finger
2017-02-08 12:21 Minseo2000: conclusion : my left middle finger hurts
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: pretty much >D
2017-02-08 12:22 Minseo2000: not sure if i can mod this more xd
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: oh shit
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: ok
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: the first snapo
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: the placement of the first jack is wrong actually
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: 01:31:499 -
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: changed
2017-02-08 12:22 shadowsnoop: it was missplaced wtf
2017-02-08 12:22 Minseo2000: xddddd
2017-02-08 12:23 Minseo2000: on a note
2017-02-08 12:23 Minseo2000: 01:31:499 - this part
2017-02-08 12:23 Minseo2000: col 2 is pretty empty imo
2017-02-08 12:23 Minseo2000: so maybe you can move some jacks there
2017-02-08 12:23 shadowsnoop: ye I did
2017-02-08 12:24 shadowsnoop: 01:40:070 - fixed here too
2017-02-08 12:24 Minseo2000: cool you keep reading my mind
2017-02-08 12:24 shadowsnoop: ;)
2017-02-08 12:24 Minseo2000: welp
2017-02-08 12:24 Minseo2000: i'm out of stuff to say
2017-02-08 12:25 Minseo2000: and it hasn't even been an hour
2017-02-08 12:25 shadowsnoop: hell, everything you said was super helpfull already
2017-02-08 12:25 shadowsnoop: lol
2017-02-08 12:25 Minseo2000: good to hear that
2017-02-08 12:25 Minseo2000: glad to be of help
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: I fucked up stuff in the last update
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: and you pretty much catched em
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: !!
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: o/
2017-02-08 12:26 Minseo2000: lemme go shoot a star or smth
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: just favorite it and I'll take it :p jk jk
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: lmao
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: thanks dad for the help
2017-02-08 12:26 shadowsnoop: I appreciate it a lot o/
2017-02-08 12:27 Minseo2000: no problem
2017-02-08 12:27 Minseo2000: you modded axion anyway
2017-02-08 12:27 Minseo2000: i'm just trying to reciprocate your help
2017-02-08 12:28 shadowsnoop: okyy
2017-02-08 12:28 shadowsnoop: post the irc and I'll kudosu
Thanks dad! That was fun! and I got to fix stuff I fucked up
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