21:26 mangomizer: hi surono
21:26 Surono: `_L`
21:26 Surono: LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
21:27 Surono: dem taco discord,. i forget if i cant spik
21:27 Surono: wats up yo?
21:28 mangomizer: would it be troublesome if I asked you to rebub once I update map?
21:28 mangomizer: (i haven't updated,  but I made a few changes)
21:28 Surono: woah few changes. oke.
21:28 Surono: update it n will rebub
21:29 mangomizer: I can very quickly highlight what I've done
21:29 mangomizer: especially if you disagree wwith somethings
21:29 Surono: wwith, hmm.. can u point some u changes
21:29 mangomizer: I will update first
21:29 mangomizer: and then I can show you
21:30 mangomizer: because that's how I think the new direction should go in
21:30 Surono: ok
21:30 mangomizer: updated
21:31 Surono: ok timestamp
21:31 mangomizer: 01:43:206 -
21:31 mangomizer: this became from k to K
21:31 Surono: and every like this?
21:31 Surono: other part*
21:32 mangomizer: no
21:33 mangomizer: just that one section
21:33 Surono: just that...
21:33 Surono: other changes?
21:33 mangomizer: (because it is the only bit with cymbal crash
21:33 mangomizer: yes
21:33 mangomizer: now before next change
21:33 mangomizer: 02:44:311 -
21:33 mangomizer: you maybe wondering why this isn't kkddK
21:33 mangomizer: and that's because the last note has no cymbal crash
21:33 Surono: yeah I mean in this kiai, cuz some cymbal u didnt finish. but now yus
21:33 mangomizer: that's why it stays kkddk
21:33 Surono: o
21:34 Surono: yes
21:34 mangomizer: 02:47:440 (847,848,849) - this thing is now a dkD
21:34 mangomizer: could be questionable, hwat do you think?
21:34 mangomizer: technically according to cymbal crashes
21:34 mangomizer: it should be
21:34 mangomizer: ddK ddK dkD
21:34 mangomizer: but that is too much
21:34 Surono: ohh...
21:34 Surono: yeah too much X"D
21:35 Surono: just last part for alteration part
21:35 Surono: 03:01:980 - hm?
21:35 Surono: after 2nd kiai..... aaaaa......
21:36 mangomizer: too many finishers...
21:36 mangomizer: I don't want to make it a finsiher spam
21:36 mangomizer: if I do too many xxX
21:36 mangomizer: enough to keep it interesting
21:36 mangomizer: but not so many as to make it like loctav's map
21:37 mangomizer: 05:09:342 -
21:37 mangomizer: the final change is the deathstream
21:37 Surono: cuz lungstream yea
21:37 mangomizer: it's stilla long stream
21:37 mangomizer: but better patternikng
21:37 mangomizer: 05:11:366 (1844,1845,1846,1847,1848,1849,1850) -
21:38 mangomizer: old pattern ddkkkdk
21:38 mangomizer: new pattern kdkkddk
21:38 Surono: :ok_hand:
21:38 mangomizer: finally
21:38 mangomizer: 05:15:968 (1894,1895,1896,1897,1898,1899,1900,1901,1902,1903,1904,1905,1906) -
21:38 mangomizer: old was kdddkdddkkkdk
21:39 mangomizer: new is kkkdkdddkkddk
21:39 Surono: flowss guud.
21:40 Surono: okey, just it? me rebub.
21:41 Surono: btw how about nweff, he want rank ur map? wat reasons he wont rank it? timestamp pls
21:41 mangomizer: that's all the changes
21:41 mangomizer: the only reason he won't rank is because the deathstream is a deathstream
21:41 Surono: X"D
21:42 mangomizer: wait
21:42 mangomizer: before you bubble
21:42 Surono: ye
21:42 mangomizer: do you feel
21:43 mangomizer: 05:15:968 -
21:43 mangomizer: this is appropiate
21:43 Surono: a
21:43 Surono: `_L` its normally k
21:43 Surono: *okok
21:45 mangomizer: I wonder if it could be better
21:45 Surono: its okok.
21:46 Surono: ready rebub?
21:46 mangomizer: it doesn't feel ready
21:46 Surono: hm
21:47 mangomizer: what if
21:47 mangomizer: kkkdkkddkdddk
21:47 Surono: the current feelsgoodwithvocalflow
21:47 mangomizer: yeah....
21:47 Surono: 05:15:968 - dem kkkdkk , kkkdk enough.
21:48 Surono: yeah fine.
21:48 mangomizer: I'd be happier
21:48 Surono: and 05:16:704 -  doble kat dem vocalflow guud.
21:48 mangomizer: what do you think
21:48 mangomizer: about kkkdddkdkkddk
21:48 mangomizer: nah
21:48 mangomizer: that doesn't work
21:49 mangomizer: it's OK as it is
21:49 Surono: ohhh
21:49 Surono: lel
21:49 Surono: current or that dem
21:51 mangomizer: OK i'm ready
21:51 Surono: noice~

Stefan wrote:

da

Sneaky little unsnapped notes in the difficulty, probably caused due snapping with the function. Gotta pop the bubble for now.
00:22:959 (69) - goes to 00:22:962 - . ALL FIXED

01:05:661 (154,155,156,157) - dddkD sounds really odd. Although you want to have the D at the end I think you could have a pattern that's more intuitive, like kdkkD. dddkD sounds perfectly fine to me. The sound is primarily more d based.
01:21:305 (267) - I'd suggest kkddK for a smoother transistion from kat to don. kkkdK is actually easier lol imo
03:24:894 (1072) - What about k here? It is complementary to 03:25:170 (1073,1074,1075,1076) - with kkkd. Drum sounds stays the same,
and I want it to remain the same as the previous kdkkdddd
03:29:863 (1111) - ^ ^
03:51:765 (1279) - I don't find that the music gives anything that you do 03:51:581 (1277,1278,1279) - as kkk while 03:51:213 (1273,1274,1275) - is kkd with an actual light sound at 03:51:397 - . Would change it to d. This mirrors the previous section at 03:45:783 (1225,1226,1227,1228,1229) -
03:56:458 - Would you really skip this beat? I find it more natural to connect these two combos together. Following the guitar in its entirety
03:59:403 - ^ ^
04:29:679 (1594,1595) - Either connect the two combo streams or remove these two notes, it currently sounds pretty undone and we either have a longer stream or a break between the streams. Joining is most definitely not the solution, BUT you gave me the idea to optimse the stream.
05:23:943 (1964) - It sounds more consistent to me if you map that with kkdkkdk, just check what you think about that. The sound changes,
hence the kkd -> kdd

Also had a quick talk to the mapper and they want to re-check the timing on their own to fix every single timing issue I haven't point out now.

• Before 00:21:119 (68) - , The density is so high compared to the upcoming parts. However, the previous part is calmer compared to the upcoming parts. This, imo, needs to be fixed. Imo you overmapped the beginning too much, let's say the d you used at the beginning. e.g. 00:00:508 (2,4,6,8,9,13,15) - etc. simply cut off the emphasis of the k with the piano fxs. Therefore I would like you to delete all the unnecessery d.
  
  01:00:508 (120) - onwards I feel like more ddk can be used to further emphasis the beats.
  
  01:05:753 (155,156) - kk? Could've emphasis 158 further. Besides, Arrival and I both agree that 01:05:661 (154,155,156,157,158) - should be considered with another 5plet pattern, or even make it 3-1.
  
  01:21:489 (269,270) - imo this has to be same finishers cause theese notes are both emphasis the heavy drum sounds. As they are emphasizing the same instrument, why don't you use DD /KK ?
  
  02:31:703 (738) - why k? It lost emphasis to the next note.
  
  02:33:727 (756) - why d? same reason as above.
  
  02:47:072 (844,845,846,847,848,849) - dkd kkD? makes the pattern fun to play. ddk ddk is too boring for pros imo.
  
  02:49:464 (859) - this is so inconsistent with the previous kddkddk 1/2s you used before.
  
  03:05:845 (947,948,949) - I would rather make it 1/6 dddk, I know you want to emphasis 949 with finisher but thats not how it should be done in this case. using a denser d is better to emphasis 949 at this case.
  
  04:10:814 (1446) - is finisher really necessary here? The fx here more or less has the same tone compared to others.
  
  04:22:593 (1539) - imo this could be a D cause you are emphasizing the drum instrument. It could also add emphasis between that and 04:22:962 (1540) - .
  
  04:29:219 (1588,1589,1590,1591) - kkdd is so awkward in this case. We seldom use these 1/6 patterns in the stream. I recommend kkkd.
  
  04:41:366 (1652,1653,1654,1655,1656,1657) - use dk dkdk. Be consistent with the previous patterns you used.
  
  05:01:060 (1755) - Why suddenly a d here? It's inconsistent with 04:57:931 (1731,1735,1739) - and is awkward to play as well. You need to fix this part in to a consistent one, follow k xxx k xxx structure. Similar problem were found in later parts
  
  05:17:072 (1906,1907,1908,1909,1910) - if you are making streams here why don't you just connect everything before 05:17:808 (1911) - ? It looks like the stream is left with fragments at last and is awkward in terms of structure and gameplay.
  
  05:23:452 (1957) - similar reason above kkdd
  
  imo you need to recheck the patterns you used at the last non-kiai parts. I myself feels strange on playing that part, probably you need to emphasis the instrument better.

Bonsai wrote:

Oi, since this was DQd for a bit already I'll now post properly what I mentioned to mangomizer somewhere else already but didn't have enough time to finish yet:

1. Sections like 00:11:550 seem like they're supposed to keep Nightcore's cymbalcrash-pattern intact, but that's far from correct. Concerning this area here, there's already a 'missing crash' at 00:05:660 while there's one occurring at 00:08:605 which doesn't fit, so that section would already have to be placed there. This sorta thing obviously repeats a few more times in the intro and also later on at 01:40:261 where you didn't even 'fix' it at 01:46:151 etc.
2. If you actually set the timing sections correctly according to that previous point, you won't need those clusters like 00:21:487 - 00:22:223 - 00:22:962 anymore as your two-barline-issue doesn't occur when the pattern has been fixed at 00:17:070 and you wouldn't need a sections at 00:22:962 anymore anyways because it's obviously already fixed LOL
3. Now if you actually care about those cymbalcrashes, 00:48:728 is a very ridiculous one lol, so if you wanna have it more correct you'd need to add a section at 00:47:991
   In a similar manner 04:07:133 is a weird crash too so that could need some sort of tweaking around too
4. 03:22:593 - I don't think spots like these are correct measure-wise, I see that your timing here is coming from the note-pattern that starts repeating at 03:24:617 but rhythmically that seems completely unnatural to me even though I've listened to as many songs odd time signatures that I could find lately - From 03:22:593 to 03:26:089 you've got a eighth-note-rhythm of 3-3-2-3-3-3-2, and in patterns like that the "2"s are usually foreshadowing accentuated beats - The beat after the first "2" is 03:24:065 which would be the downbeat if you keep the signature running at 4/4, so everything would fit in that way, that's why I personally find it extremely weird to delay the downbeat another "3" like you did - My suggestion is to time it like this (which is missing NC-fixing-sections at 03:27:561 etc. I guess but it's just a mess anyways lol). There isn't really an objective "true" or "false" when it comes to signatures, so I'm not 100% sure about it myself, but I just feel like that's much more natural so just take that into consideration and do whatever you want with it, none of my other odd-measure-friends are online rn so I couldn't ask for more opinions on that rn ^^ Hmm... I'm really not sure here. Time signatures are always subjective - you can completely transform how a song feels simply by the emphasis of strong beats. Here I think (3+3+2)/8 is not the right solution, because I feel that the following sections would lose a bit of momentum (as it is a monotonous 3+3+3 etc,). If you use 11/8, the "12th beat" has an interesting repeating emphasis? Not really sure how to explain, but I feel it carries the momentum slightly better.
5. Again a NC-fix-section would be missing at 03:43:575 if you wanna have it properly, which would also make the one at 03:55:354 superfluous
6. Also 05:24:066 seems like it should be a downbeat instead of 05:23:698 -, I'm too tired to find a way to make this work for NC rn tho VALID, but applying different fix. Turning the entire section into 3/4, not sure, reqeusted DQ from JBH
7. I see that you timed the final part at 05:25:538 following the guitar, and again there is no objective right or wrong probably, but I just gotta say that having kicks and snares at half-tempo-offbeat at 05:31:428 - 05:32:164 - 05:32:900 - etc seems extreemely weird to me, I'd suggest this timing following the drums instead of the guitar because to me drums are a much stronger indicator of rhyhtm than guitars, and the stuff that the guitars are doing is just weird either way so ya idk, think about it xd I'm actually follwing the synth when it changes pitch...lol

timing (dream theater) is a happy thing : )
so ya, as it is now the NC-stuff is only halfway fixed so if you actually care about that I think I listed everything there is to change, ofc feel free to poke me if you have any more questions, I gotta go to bed rn lol