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Dream Theater - Moment of Betrayal [Taiko]

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mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 21 July 2017 at 22:39:38

Artist: Dream Theater
Title: Moment of Betrayal
Tags: The Astonishing Progressive Rock Metal Marathon
BPM: 163
Filesize: 10913kb
Play Time: 06:08
Difficulties Available:
  1. Astonishing (6.08 stars, 2251 notes)
Download: Dream Theater - Moment of Betrayal
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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First Marathon Dream Theater map.

This world needs more Dream Theater!
Disclaimer: Because of constant time signature change, NC was acting up all weird, so I had to basically add "false timing points" to make NC run properly.BONSAI THE TIMING POINT SLAYER

Complete!
Length = SR HYPE.

RIP the AstONIshing dream.

Many thanks to the following who have provided helpful feedback:
- tasuke912 for being the first one to provide helpful feedback
- Chromoxx for his IRL modding
- Mew104 for helping out on streams TWICE.
- yassu- for first M4M
- frukoyurdakul for being a supporting Dream Theater fan
- _yu68 for suggesting that the original stream was impossible
- Nwolf for directing me to the right people.
- Surono for bubbling thrice and qualifying!
- Grimbow for being amazing as always (sorry dddkD)
- Stefan for popping and bubbling!

And Special thanks to Bonsai for beating sense into me.

Thanks to all other play testers as well :D
Last edited by mangomizer , edited 42 times in total.
yassu-
430 posts
Joined September 2015
yassu-
M4M

General
・SliderMultiplier:1.40000000596046→1.40
・BGsize change to 1366*768
・Enable countdown uncheck
・tag delete "dream theater"? because already written to artist
・please add preview point

AstONIshing
・00:16:150 - add d　fit to piano
・00:22:223 - add d　^
・00:33:360 - this red line not needed. because It can be expressed by 3/16
・01:06:029 - add finish?　you can hear cymbal
・01:06:305 - add d　fit to vocal
・01:27:378 (310,311,312) - swap　fit to dram
・01:33:084 (360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367) - swap　^
・01:59:770 - change to K　
・02:12:101 (602,603,604) - swap　fit to dram
・02:20:936 - change to d?　fit to dram and vocal
・03:03:084 - 03:08:974 03:14:862 (1000,1001) - - change to k　03:06:029 - pattern
・03:15:507 - change to k　fit to dram
・03:21:305 - change to k　^
・03:43:851 - change to k　fit to ｍelody
・04:19:096 - 04:19:281 - 04:19:557 - change to k and 04:19:649 - change to d　fit to dram
・04:30:784 (1605,1607,1608,1611) - change to k and 04:31:428 - change to D　^ and 04:34:373 - pattern
・05:09:710 - 05:10:814 - 05:11:182 - 05:12:287 - 05:13:391 - change to k　fit to dram
・05:32:164 - 05:38:053 - 05:41:734 - change to k　^
・05:52:041 - 05:52:225 - add k or d?　you can hear dram
good luck ranked :) :) :) :)
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
Thank you so much for mod!

Green for applied
Orange for not sure
Red for deny

yassu- wrote:

M4M

General
・SliderMultiplier:1.40000000596046→1.40 DONE
・BGsize change to 1366*768 DONE
・Enable countdown uncheck Not sure what that means O_o
・tag delete "dream theater"? because already written to artist DONE
・please add preview point DONE


AstONIshing
・00:16:150 - add d　fit to piano Too quiet I think
・00:22:223 - add d　^ ^
・00:33:360 - this red line not needed. because It can be expressed by 3/16 Excellent suggestion
・01:06:029 - add finish?　you can hear cymbal This is actually a very interesting problem. I had this discussion with tasuke912 and he said because it is osu!taiko not osu!standard, you do not need an overabundance of finishers, so I only kept a couple of them. However, I am still not sure which ones to keep or throw away.
・01:06:305 - add d　fit to vocal I am following drums
・01:27:378 (310,311,312) - swap　fit to dram Done, also changed the stream a little bit
・01:33:084 (360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367) - swap　^ I think mine works better
・01:59:770 - change to K　DONE
・02:12:101 (602,603,604) - swap　fit to dram DONE
・02:20:936 - change to d?　fit to dram and vocal I actually really like this suggestion
・03:03:084 - 03:08:974 03:14:862 (1000,1001) - - change to k　03:06:029 - pattern No, I need the variation otherwise too much ddk
・03:15:507 - change to k　fit to dram it doesn't sound good as kkkkddk
・03:21:305 - change to k　^ I know it doesn't fit the drums as well, but I prefer having a don there just because it plays more complex
・03:43:851 - change to k　fit to ｍelody Trying to keep it don to contrast with later section where it changes
・04:19:096 - 04:19:281 - 04:19:557 - change to k and 04:19:649 - change to d　fit to dram Following Guitar, however I changed the stream anyway
・04:30:784 (1605,1607,1608,1611) - change to k and 04:31:428 - change to D　^ and 04:34:373 - pattern I will need to think about it in the future, but for now, no change
・05:09:710 - 05:10:814 - 05:11:182 - 05:12:287 - 05:13:391 - change to k　fit to dram No, it fits fine as it is right now
・05:32:164 - 05:38:053 - 05:41:734 - change to k　^ I like using dons!
・05:52:041 - 05:52:225 - add k or d?　you can hear dram Not sure what to put yet, so will leave empty for now
good luck ranked :) :) :) :)
frukoyurdakul
638 posts
Joined December 2015
frukoyurdakul
Hi, both irc and post mod from me :)

asthONIshing irc part
2017-02-10 03:31 frukoyurdakul: can i do irc mod?
2017-02-10 03:31 magnomizer: umm if you want...? kinda busy over this end though
2017-02-10 03:32 magnomizer: but sure
2017-02-10 03:32 magnomizer: dump text
2017-02-10 03:32 magnomizer: and I'll replpy every now and then
2017-02-10 03:32 frukoyurdakul: well, then i prefer post
2017-02-10 03:32 frukoyurdakul: i need to discuss if i am doing an irc mod
2017-02-10 03:32 magnomizer: OH lol
2017-02-10 03:32 magnomizer: well you can do irc mod if you want
2017-02-10 03:32 magnomizer: yeah
2017-02-10 03:32 frukoyurdakul: okay so
2017-02-10 03:32 frukoyurdakul: 00:21:487 - 
2017-02-10 03:32 frukoyurdakul: the timing point right there
2017-02-10 03:33 frukoyurdakul: there is no offset change and signature reset so you can remove it
2017-02-10 03:34 magnomizer: o I kept that there
2017-02-10 03:34 magnomizer: to avoid stray bar lines
2017-02-10 03:34 magnomizer: to make it look better LOL
2017-02-10 03:34 magnomizer: I suppose I could get rid of it yeah
2017-02-10 03:35 frukoyurdakul: since there is no offset change
2017-02-10 03:35 magnomizer: actually it should be fine I think
2017-02-10 03:35 frukoyurdakul: the time bars will not intercept
2017-02-10 03:35 frukoyurdakul: each other
2017-02-10 03:35 magnomizer: what do you mean?
2017-02-10 03:35 magnomizer: I didn't change any bpm
2017-02-10 03:35 frukoyurdakul: the timing point is exactly on the beat
2017-02-10 03:35 frukoyurdakul: no after, no before
2017-02-10 03:36 frukoyurdakul: and the measure of the previous point is 1/4, so you don't need another timing point here
2017-02-10 03:36 frukoyurdakul: deleting it will not change anything, means it's unneccesary
2017-02-10 03:36 magnomizer: i just wanted to get rid of some stray bar lines that's all
2017-02-10 03:37 magnomizer: so it looks empty when you play
2017-02-10 03:37 frukoyurdakul: okay wait
2017-02-10 03:37 magnomizer: I do notice that this is unsnapped tho
2017-02-10 03:37 magnomizer: 00:22:959 -
2017-02-10 03:38 frukoyurdakul: yeap, but the offset of the notes is fine
2017-02-10 03:38 frukoyurdakul: oooh
2017-02-10 03:38 frukoyurdakul: now i see your point :D 
2017-02-10 03:38 frukoyurdakul: 00:22:962 (69) - this note is unsnapped btw
2017-02-10 03:40 magnomizer: yyeah I know
2017-02-10 03:40 magnomizer: fixing
2017-02-10 03:40 frukoyurdakul: 03:55:354 - 
2017-02-10 03:40 frukoyurdakul: you can use inherited point here instead of a normal one
2017-02-10 03:40 frukoyurdakul: no signature changes or signature resets have been made at this point
2017-02-10 03:40 frukoyurdakul: you just opened kiai
2017-02-10 03:42 magnomizer: wait still fixing time
2017-02-10 03:42 frukoyurdakul: okay im waiting
2017-02-10 03:43 magnomizer: I'm gonna leave it unsnapped actually, I mean I take some time between spaces at points
2017-02-10 03:44 magnomizer: sometimes I wonder if it is actaully 160.005 bpm
2017-02-10 03:44 magnomizer: I mean
2017-02-10 03:44 magnomizer: 162.995
2017-02-10 03:44 magnomizer: but yeah
2017-02-10 03:44 frukoyurdakul: well
2017-02-10 03:44 frukoyurdakul: 1 or 2 ms difference for one note only isn't that important
2017-02-10 03:45 magnomizer: ALL THE NOTES BECOME UNSNAPPED
2017-02-10 03:45 frukoyurdakul: wew
2017-02-10 03:45 frukoyurdakul: what did u do
2017-02-10 03:45 magnomizer: if you change it to an inherited point
2017-02-10 03:45 magnomizer: all notes unsnap
2017-02-10 03:45 magnomizer: it's a rounding error of sorts
2017-02-10 03:46 frukoyurdakul: that's weird :D but okay
2017-02-10 03:46 frukoyurdakul: i've never seen that before
2017-02-10 03:46 magnomizer: it happens a lot
2017-02-10 03:46 magnomizer: if you go any of your maps with multiple bpm changes
2017-02-10 03:47 magnomizer: if you delete all the timing points
2017-02-10 03:47 magnomizer: except the first one
2017-02-10 03:47 magnomizer: ehh not bpm change
2017-02-10 03:47 magnomizer: I meant time signature chage
2017-02-10 03:47 frukoyurdakul: yea i got it, that might be true
2017-02-10 03:47 magnomizer: I can guarantee all notes become unsnapped, very quickly
2017-02-10 03:47 magnomizer: in fact if you delete alal the timing points hee
2017-02-10 03:47 magnomizer: here*
2017-02-10 03:48 magnomizer: you'll find that the final note moves by at least 1/4 snap
2017-02-10 03:48 frukoyurdakul: wew
2017-02-10 03:49 frukoyurdakul: okay then timing looks good
2017-02-10 03:49 frukoyurdakul: 00:17:991 - how about adding a don here?
2017-02-10 03:49 frukoyurdakul: it's not as low as 00:16:150 - here
2017-02-10 03:51 magnomizer: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7280793
2017-02-10 03:51 magnomizer: that SV
2017-02-10 03:51 frukoyurdakul: WTF
2017-02-10 03:51 frukoyurdakul: lmao
2017-02-10 03:52 magnomizer: 00:18:221 (63) -
2017-02-10 03:52 magnomizer: wondering if I should move the note here
2017-02-10 03:53 frukoyurdakul: why?
2017-02-10 03:53 frukoyurdakul: and, which note?
2017-02-10 03:53 magnomizer: 00:19:278 (64) -
2017-02-10 03:53 magnomizer: ehh whoops glitch
2017-02-10 03:54 magnomizer: move
2017-02-10 03:54 magnomizer: 00:18:221 -
2017-02-10 03:54 magnomizer: 63 move to here
2017-02-10 03:54 frukoyurdakul: it's original position is good
2017-02-10 03:54 frukoyurdakul: you don't need 1/8 snap for that
2017-02-10 03:54 magnomizer: yeah but can u hear the music??
2017-02-10 03:55 frukoyurdakul: welp
2017-02-10 03:55 frukoyurdakul: it actually sounds right here
2017-02-10 03:55 magnomizer: yeahhhh :/
2017-02-10 03:55 frukoyurdakul: okay since there is no time signature in the gameplay here, i think you can move it
2017-02-10 03:56 frukoyurdakul: its not an unranked thing, raiden did 1/16 snap in apparition
2017-02-10 03:56 magnomizer: really?
2017-02-10 03:56 magnomizer: WHERE?
2017-02-10 03:56 frukoyurdakul: yeap
2017-02-10 03:56 frukoyurdakul: hold on
2017-02-10 03:57 frukoyurdakul: 03:42:237 (39) - 
2017-02-10 03:57 frukoyurdakul: starting from here
2017-02-10 03:57 magnomizer: that's 1/12
2017-02-10 03:57 frukoyurdakul: look closer
2017-02-10 03:58 frukoyurdakul: the notes are supposed to be the pink ones
2017-02-10 03:58 magnomizer: yeah, it's 1/12
2017-02-10 03:58 frukoyurdakul: not the grey one
2017-02-10 03:58 magnomizer: I'm looking real close
2017-02-10 03:58 frukoyurdakul: supposed to be on the pink ones*
2017-02-10 03:58 magnomizer: not sure what you're on about
2017-02-10 03:59 frukoyurdakul: 03:41:112 - take the timing here
2017-02-10 03:59 frukoyurdakul: and press tab
2017-02-10 03:59 frukoyurdakul: no, not tab
2017-02-10 03:59 frukoyurdakul: f5
2017-02-10 03:59 frukoyurdakul: 03:42:903 (43) - you will see this note on outside the measure
2017-02-10 04:00 magnomizer: yeah, that's still 1/12 snap
2017-02-10 04:00 frukoyurdakul: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7280840
2017-02-10 04:00 magnomizer: look change beatsnap divisor to 1/12
2017-02-10 04:00 frukoyurdakul: the correct ones must be these
2017-02-10 04:00 frukoyurdakul: and yet raiden take the notes 1/12 snap back
2017-02-10 04:01 frukoyurdakul: because the sounds are actually here
2017-02-10 04:01 frukoyurdakul: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7280844
2017-02-10 04:01 magnomizer: raiden is correct tho
2017-02-10 04:01 frukoyurdakul: can you see the difference now?
2017-02-10 04:01 magnomizer: th[e sounds do appear slightly earlier to warrant a 1/12 snap back
2017-02-10 04:01 frukoyurdakul: yes
2017-02-10 04:01 magnomizer: the voice
2017-02-10 04:01 frukoyurdakul: the exact same situation on your map
2017-02-10 04:01 magnomizer: yeah, but what is this 1/16th nonesense about
2017-02-10 04:02 frukoyurdakul: i was wrong it's 1/12
2017-02-10 04:02 frukoyurdakul: :D
2017-02-10 04:02 frukoyurdakul: sorry about that
2017-02-10 04:02 magnomizer: tsk tsk
2017-02-10 04:02 frukoyurdakul: you can see it on the snapshot
2017-02-10 04:03 frukoyurdakul: so my final word is, i think moving the 63 to 00:18:221 - here won't be a problem
2017-02-10 04:03 frukoyurdakul: i am not a good modder am i? :(
2017-02-10 04:04 magnomizer: it's OK
2017-02-10 04:04 frukoyurdakul: so, 00:22:223 - why did u skip this note?
2017-02-10 04:05 frukoyurdakul: i think it's obvious enough to put a don
2017-02-10 04:05 magnomizer: too quiet
2017-02-10 04:05 frukoyurdakul: okay then
2017-02-10 04:06 frukoyurdakul: 00:25:538 - 
2017-02-10 04:06 frukoyurdakul: you can delete this break here sliding it to the right
2017-02-10 04:06 frukoyurdakul: :D
2017-02-10 04:06 frukoyurdakul: 00:39:893 - also this one
2017-02-10 04:07 magnomizer: wait how to delet breaak?
2017-02-10 04:07 magnomizer: how????
2017-02-10 04:08 frukoyurdakul: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7280885
2017-02-10 04:08 frukoyurdakul: put your mouse onto the break like this
2017-02-10 04:08 frukoyurdakul: well, the "break" label
2017-02-10 04:08 magnomizer: I don't see your mouse in screshot
2017-02-10 04:08 frukoyurdakul: i saw that :D 
2017-02-10 04:09 frukoyurdakul: https://puu.sh/tW8Fe/ba05613fb7.jpg 
2017-02-10 04:09 frukoyurdakul: i think you can see it
2017-02-10 04:09 frukoyurdakul: and drag it like this
2017-02-10 04:10 frukoyurdakul: https://puu.sh/tW8II/e016015944.png
2017-02-10 04:10 frukoyurdakul: (link)[https://puu.sh/tW8II/e016015944.png]
2017-02-10 04:10 magnomizer: aha
2017-02-10 04:10 frukoyurdakul: it works on short breaks :D 
2017-02-10 04:10 magnomizer: ok done
2017-02-10 04:10 frukoyurdakul: 00:39:893 - you can do it on also this one
2017-02-10 04:11 frukoyurdakul: now, 00:54:433 (73) - 
2017-02-10 04:11 frukoyurdakul: i think this can be don
2017-02-10 04:11 frukoyurdakul: since there is no snare sound. but i'll understand if you put here as a kat for variation
2017-02-10 04:12 frukoyurdakul: because you put here a don: 00:59:954 (115) - 
2017-02-10 04:12 frukoyurdakul: and the parts are actually sounding the same
2017-02-10 04:12 magnomizer: yeah
2017-02-10 04:12 magnomizer: variation
2017-02-10 04:13 magnomizer: and non drums following
2017-02-10 04:13 magnomizer: I did it for the flow
2017-02-10 04:13 magnomizer: otherwise it would be kdddkdddkdddkddd
2017-02-10 04:13 magnomizer: structure
2017-02-10 04:13 frukoyurdakul: yeap
2017-02-10 04:13 magnomizer: whic would be a bit boring
2017-02-10 04:13 magnomizer: so i put some kddkkdddkddkk sth like that
2017-02-10 04:13 frukoyurdakul: 01:05:936 (157) - 
2017-02-10 04:13 frukoyurdakul: i think this is the same as well
2017-02-10 04:14 frukoyurdakul: 01:21:120 (265,266,267,268,269) - you can turn these to kkkkD
2017-02-10 04:14 magnomizer: wait holy up
2017-02-10 04:14 magnomizer: what about 105/
2017-02-10 04:15 frukoyurdakul: 00:58:482 (105) - 
2017-02-10 04:15 frukoyurdakul: this?
2017-02-10 04:15 frukoyurdakul: well, variation is important but the map needs consistency as well
2017-02-10 04:16 magnomizer: so you want me to change to k?
2017-02-10 04:16 magnomizer: or what?
2017-02-10 04:17 frukoyurdakul: 00:52:961 (63) - 
2017-02-10 04:17 magnomizer: btw if you make your promethean king map good enough
2017-02-10 04:17 magnomizer: it could make it to twc tb just sayin
2017-02-10 04:17 magnomizer: it's one of the few marathon style maps hard enough
2017-02-10 04:18 frukoyurdakul: what? i hope so :D 
2017-02-10 04:18 frukoyurdakul: 00:52:961 (63) - 
2017-02-10 04:18 frukoyurdakul: this is don, so i think you keep 105 as a don too
2017-02-10 04:18 magnomizer: 105 is a d
2017-02-10 04:18 magnomizer: ?
2017-02-10 04:18 frukoyurdakul: yes
2017-02-10 04:18 magnomizer: like it's already a d?
2017-02-10 04:18 frukoyurdakul: ye
2017-02-10 04:19 frukoyurdakul: you need to keep is as a d
2017-02-10 04:19 magnomizer: oh ok
2017-02-10 04:19 frukoyurdakul: 01:21:120 (265,266,267,268,269) - 
2017-02-10 04:19 frukoyurdakul: kkkdK
2017-02-10 04:20 frukoyurdakul: it's kinda hard
2017-02-10 04:20 frukoyurdakul: either you can delete 01:21:396 (268) - this
2017-02-10 04:20 frukoyurdakul: too keep 01:21:488 (269) - this as a finisher
2017-02-10 04:20 frukoyurdakul: or you can change it to kkkkD
2017-02-10 04:20 frukoyurdakul: but if you change it to kkkkD then
2017-02-10 04:20 magnomizer: gonna be super stubborn about this one
2017-02-10 04:20 frukoyurdakul: 01:22:224 (270) - 
2017-02-10 04:21 frukoyurdakul: two DONS will not sound good
2017-02-10 04:21 frukoyurdakul: so i suggest the first one :D 
2017-02-10 04:21 magnomizer: I will be keeping the don
2017-02-10 04:21 magnomizer: the drums clearly play dons
2017-02-10 04:21 magnomizer: and I know it's hard
2017-02-10 04:21 magnomizer: I hope you can understand tho
2017-02-10 04:22 frukoyurdakul: 01:21:120 (265,266,267,268) - these are 4 snares
2017-02-10 04:22 frukoyurdakul: 01:21:488 (269) - and this one is a cymba
2017-02-10 04:22 frukoyurdakul: cymbal crash
2017-02-10 04:22 frukoyurdakul: making 269 KAT is good
2017-02-10 04:23 magnomizer: so you're suggestion
2017-02-10 04:23 frukoyurdakul: it sound really good
2017-02-10 04:23 frukoyurdakul: 01:21:396 (268) - if you delete this everybody can play comfortably
2017-02-10 04:23 magnomizer: unfortunately kkkkK is not allowed
2017-02-10 04:23 magnomizer: i really wanted a note
2017-02-10 04:23 frukoyurdakul: haha :D okay keep it
2017-02-10 04:23 magnomizer: ughhhh
2017-02-10 04:24 frukoyurdakul: there is an already a 1/1 gap to make the player relax a little bit
2017-02-10 04:24 magnomizer: it would take away from difficulty
2017-02-10 04:25 frukoyurdakul: 01:23:789 - i hear a snare here
2017-02-10 04:25 frukoyurdakul: i think you can change this to kat
2017-02-10 04:26 frukoyurdakul: a strong snare actually, stronger than 01:23:697 (279) - this one
2017-02-10 04:26 frukoyurdakul: if you accept this one you need to change 01:24:893 (292) - this one too
2017-02-10 04:26 magnomizer: OK I CAN JUTSIFY THIS
2017-02-10 04:26 magnomizer: I wnat the triplet feel
2017-02-10 04:27 magnomizer: so if I put anything else
2017-02-10 04:27 magnomizer: it doesn't create as strong a triple fele
2017-02-10 04:27 frukoyurdakul: okay
2017-02-10 04:27 frukoyurdakul: that's your map
2017-02-10 04:27 magnomizer: sorry
2017-02-10 04:27 magnomizer: I'm just rejecting a lot of your suggest
2017-02-10 04:27 frukoyurdakul: 01:25:905 (303) - since this is a finisher
2017-02-10 04:27 frukoyurdakul: 01:25:629 (300) - and there is a snare
2017-02-10 04:28 frukoyurdakul: 01:25:537 (299,300,301,302,303) - kkkkD
2017-02-10 04:28 frukoyurdakul: will fit much better
2017-02-10 04:30 magnomizer: deciding
2017-02-10 04:30 magnomizer: thinking
2017-02-10 04:31 frukoyurdakul: i think you'll accept this one tho
2017-02-10 04:31 magnomizer: hard to say
2017-02-10 04:31 magnomizer: if someone else says ig
2017-02-10 04:31 magnomizer: it*
2017-02-10 04:31 magnomizer: then I'll change
2017-02-10 04:31 frukoyurdakul: -_
2017-02-10 04:31 frukoyurdakul: -_-
2017-02-10 04:32 magnomizer: while your version is indeed more accurate
2017-02-10 04:32 magnomizer: idk
2017-02-10 04:32 magnomizer: both are equally good
2017-02-10 04:32 frukoyurdakul: not really
2017-02-10 04:32 frukoyurdakul: kdkkD
2017-02-10 04:32 frukoyurdakul: a bit hard for me, but whatever :D 
2017-02-10 04:33 frukoyurdakul: 01:31:519 (349) - there is not a kick sound here
2017-02-10 04:33 frukoyurdakul: i think this don is not neccesary
2017-02-10 04:33 magnomizer: afk
2017-02-10 04:33 frukoyurdakul: i'll put these to the thread as an irc mod and i'll mod the rest of it as a normal mod then

asthONIshing rest of it
01:31:519 (349) - There is no kick sound and 01:31:887 - there is a snare sound here. So i think you can remove the first one, 01:31:795 (352) - remove the finisher on that and 01:31:887 - put a kat here.

01:33:084 (360,361,362,363,364) - How about changing this section to kkkkd? The first 4 sounds are strong snares.

01:45:783 (446,447,448,449,450) - I know it won't match the beginning of the chorus but the sounds are going like kkddK, so i suggest changing the pattern like that.

01:51:212 - Why skipped this kick here? I recommend putting a don.

01:55:905 - ^

01:56:457 (512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524) - A long pattern for non-drum attack, i think you can divide this into triplets, 5-plets or 7-plets.

01:58:481 (527,528) - These will sound good in 01:59:034 - here and 01:59:033 (529,530) - these will sound good 01:58:482 - here based on the drum sounds.

02:01:886 (540,543) - Ctrl + g? The snare sound is on 543 actually.

02:20:383 (650,651,652,653,654,655) - How about kkddkdd ?

02:23:513 (673) - There is no sound here, i think you can delete this note.

02:26:734 - I hear a kick sound here, i think you can add a don.

02:36:396 (778,781,784) - Maybe you want to make more dense the kiai part but there are no drums or vocals either. I think you need to delete those.

02:37:868 (786,787) - Ctrl + g? The snare is on 787.

02:42:102 (813,814) - ^

02:59:586 (911) - Kat will match the snare sound.

03:05:476 (944) - ^

03:15:506 (1003) - Well, it's good for variation but since there is a snare sound, i recommend changing this to kat.

03:16:334 (1011) - A kat is not neccesary here imo.

03:26:826 (1082,1083,1084,1085,1086,1087,1088,1089) - If you followed the keyboards, they are 1/3, not 1/4.

03:44:127 (1208) - I think you can change this to kat to match the china (a part of the drum cymbals) sound.

03:45:598 (1222) - ^

03:47:071 (1238) - ^

03:53:881 (1301,1302,1303,1304) - It's good to follow the guitar, but i think the patterns will be much better if you follow the drums.

04:12:655 (1455,1456,1457) - Since you are following the guitar, i think you can delete these notes and from 04:12:655 - here to 04:13:207 - there you can put a slider.

04:33:084 (1618,1619) - Ctrl + g? Snare sound is on the first one.

04:43:391 (1665) - I think you can move this one to 04:43:575 - here. But in that way, it still looks good.

04:50:200 (1695) - Don? Kick is really strong. Based on the drums though.

05:09:342 - I think you can make longer patterns because the music is higher than the other parts, but a deathstream? Maybe not good here don't you think?

05:23:084 (1952) - You can turn this to a don since the drum sound is very low.

05:51:304 (2156) - Remove the finisher and turn this to a kat, there is only a snare sound here.

05:52:041 - A kick sound exist here and 05:52:225 - here.

Solid map, fun to play. Good luck on ranking it! BN's, please take attention and rank some Dream Theater...
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Hi, both irc and post mod from me :)

Thank you so much for the mod! While I didn't pick up too many of your suggestions (you made so many changes!) WIP on which changes I actually applied.

asthONIshing rest of it
01:31:519 (349) - There is no kick sound and 01:31:887 - there is a snare sound here. So i think you can remove the first one, 01:31:795 (352) - remove the finisher on that and 01:31:887 - put a kat here.

01:33:084 (360,361,362,363,364) - How about changing this section to kkkkd? The first 4 sounds are strong snares.

01:45:783 (446,447,448,449,450) - I know it won't match the beginning of the chorus but the sounds are going like kkddK, so i suggest changing the pattern like that.

01:51:212 - Why skipped this kick here? I recommend putting a don.

01:55:905 - ^

01:56:457 (512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524) - A long pattern for non-drum attack, i think you can divide this into triplets, 5-plets or 7-plets.

01:58:481 (527,528) - These will sound good in 01:59:034 - here and 01:59:033 (529,530) - these will sound good 01:58:482 - here based on the drum sounds.

02:01:886 (540,543) - Ctrl + g? The snare sound is on 543 actually.

02:20:383 (650,651,652,653,654,655) - How about kkddkdd ?

02:23:513 (673) - There is no sound here, i think you can delete this note.

02:26:734 - I hear a kick sound here, i think you can add a don.

02:36:396 (778,781,784) - Maybe you want to make more dense the kiai part but there are no drums or vocals either. I think you need to delete those.

02:37:868 (786,787) - Ctrl + g? The snare is on 787.

02:42:102 (813,814) - ^

02:59:586 (911) - Kat will match the snare sound.

03:05:476 (944) - ^

03:15:506 (1003) - Well, it's good for variation but since there is a snare sound, i recommend changing this to kat.

03:16:334 (1011) - A kat is not neccesary here imo.

03:26:826 (1082,1083,1084,1085,1086,1087,1088,1089) - If you followed the keyboards, they are 1/3, not 1/4.

03:44:127 (1208) - I think you can change this to kat to match the china (a part of the drum cymbals) sound.

03:45:598 (1222) - ^

03:47:071 (1238) - ^

03:53:881 (1301,1302,1303,1304) - It's good to follow the guitar, but i think the patterns will be much better if you follow the drums.

04:12:655 (1455,1456,1457) - Since you are following the guitar, i think you can delete these notes and from 04:12:655 - here to 04:13:207 - there you can put a slider.

04:33:084 (1618,1619) - Ctrl + g? Snare sound is on the first one.

04:43:391 (1665) - I think you can move this one to 04:43:575 - here. But in that way, it still looks good.

04:50:200 (1695) - Don? Kick is really strong. Based on the drums though.

05:09:342 - I think you can make longer patterns because the music is higher than the other parts, but a deathstream? Maybe not good here don't you think?

05:23:084 (1952) - You can turn this to a don since the drum sound is very low.

05:51:304 (2156) - Remove the finisher and turn this to a kat, there is only a snare sound here.

05:52:041 - A kick sound exist here and 05:52:225 - here.

Solid map, fun to play. Good luck on ranking it! BN's, please take attention and rank some Dream Theater...
Chromoxx
904 posts
Joined August 2012
Chromoxx

did some irl modding, changes include:
- nerfed 1/6 deathstream into seperate bursts
- kddK became kd K
- discussed end of stream finisheres in general
- some notes that sounded a bit off the music will be snapped to red lines in order to fit the music properly
- effect volume will be raised by around 10%

good luck, streams were fun!
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
IRL Modding too OP.

Applied a general increase in volume, and aforementioned changes.

Thanks Chromoxx
_yu68
Former osu!taiko Champion: 2017
492 posts
Joined March 2015
_yu68
Hello.
mod via m4m
mod
[AstONIshing]
  1. 01:01:059 (123) - change to kat? in order to represent the difference of vocal between 01:03:451 (141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148) - and 01:00:507 (120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127) - while keeping drum sound
  2. 01:06:580 (161) - ^
  3. 01:05:844 (156) - change to kat? in order to be easier finisher 01:06:029 (158) -
  4. 01:21:304 (267) - change to don? same reason as ^
  5. from 01:34:740 - to 01:55:721 - add 1/4s? i think that easy for kiai time (i'm sorry for the ambiguous opinion)
  6. from 02:36:213 - to 02:53:145 - ^
  7. 02:01:426 (539,540) - ctrl+g? fit to drum
  8. 02:28:942 (712) - 02:29:494 (717) - change to don? in order to be more readable rhythm of kat
  9. 02:34:832 (764) - 02:35:383 (769) - ^
  10. 02:59:586 (911) - change to kat? fit to drum
  11. 03:04:923 (943,944) - ctrl+g? same reason as ^
  12. 03:25:721 (1075,1076,1077) - swap? in order to be easier finisher 03:26:089 (1079) -
  13. 04:31:244 (1609) - change to don? same reason as ^
  14. 05:09:709 (1826,1827,1828,1829,1830,1831) - change to kdkkdk? fit to both of drum and vocal
  15. 05:10:813 (1838,1839,1840,1841,1842,1843) - ^ (in order to prevent be boring, kdkkkk, kdkdkk, etc...)
  16. 05:12:286 (1854,1855,1856,1857,1858,1859) - ^
  17. 05:13:390 (1866,1867,1868,1869,1870,1871) - ^

good luck!
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
Thank you so much for mod!!!!!
Green for Accept
Orange for Unsure
Red for Deny

_yu68 wrote:

Hello.
mod via m4m
mod
[AstONIshing]
  1. 01:01:059 (123) - change to kat? in order to represent the difference of vocal between 01:03:451 (141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148) - and 01:00:507 (120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127) - while keeping drum sound Awaiting Chromoxx translation....
  2. 01:06:580 (161) - ^ ^
  3. 01:05:844 (156) - change to kat? in order to be easier finisher 01:06:029 (158) - I want it to be hard and I think it fits the song better
  4. 01:21:304 (267) - change to don? same reason as ^ ^
  5. from 01:34:740 - to 01:55:721 - add 1/4s? i think that easy for kiai time (i'm sorry for the ambiguous opinion) Need to see if others see the same way... here, the kiai time reflects chorus and not "hard section".
  6. from 02:36:213 - to 02:53:145 - ^ ^
  7. 02:01:426 (539,540) - ctrl+g? fit to drum YES
  8. 02:28:942 (712) - 02:29:494 (717) - change to don? in order to be more readable rhythm of kat No, the rising no. of k is too important
  9. 02:34:832 (764) - 02:35:383 (769) - ^ ^
  10. 02:59:586 (911) - change to kat? fit to drum I tried to keep it this way because of overall passage structure. If another person brings it up I will change.
  11. 03:04:923 (943,944) - ctrl+g? same reason as ^ ^
  12. 03:25:721 (1075,1076,1077) - swap? in order to be easier finisher 03:26:089 (1079) - ddkdK still sounds better
  13. 04:31:244 (1609) - change to don? same reason as ^ Changed, but in a slightly different way kddkkdK => kkdkddK
  14. 05:09:709 (1826,1827,1828,1829,1830,1831) - change to kdkkdk? fit to both of drum and vocal Excellent suggesiton
  15. 05:10:813 (1838,1839,1840,1841,1842,1843) - ^ (in order to prevent be boring, kdkkkk, kdkdkk, etc...) Too much, only need 1st and 3rd.
  16. 05:12:286 (1854,1855,1856,1857,1858,1859) - ^ changed to kdkdkk
  17. 05:13:390 (1866,1867,1868,1869,1870,1871) - ^ as above, too much

good luck!
Nwolf
2,604 posts
Joined September 2012
Nwolf
woof

[General]

00:11:550 - 00:14:126 - Personally I feel 60% is very inappropriate for these parts. Except for the addition of strings in the background, it's not louder or more intense than 00:00:140 - , the hitsounds are too loud compared to the song.

00:22:223 - Pointless red line?

00:49:465 - 02:00:507 - (Til their next kiais) feel incredibly quiet compared to the first piano section, the song and kiai. Try to at least increase the volume to 70% for these parts to make the hitsounds more noticeable.

02:59:035 - 50% is simply too quiet. Except that the song has more spaced out notes it's not really more quiet than before, so again 70% should be more appropriate here.

OD7 at 163 BPM with such difficult timing?

[Oni]

01:14:495 (218) - 01:20:016 (258) - Intentionally no finishers?
> 01:43:206 (430) - ^ (note that 02:43:942 (823,824,825,826,827) - in the 2nd kiai the 5-plet happens earlier!)

01:27:194 (308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326) - Felt awkward to play towards the end, and 01:28:114 (318,319) - snare sounds here were ignored. Maybe try something like https://puu.sh/vWOVr/a5140b51fb.jpg

02:26:734 - There's bass drum on this spot pls mappu

02:59:035 - til 03:21:121 - Suddenly a part in the map without finishers

03:37:501 (1160,1161,1162,1163,1164,1165) - Either I'm hearing things or this is odd - I actually believe the 1/6 quad should happen 03:37:501 - here instead of 03:37:685 - , so something like [kddk]kd

05:09:342 - long stream why i cri

05:28:114 (1992) - Plays quite odd as don, think a kat is better here, also don't hear anything in the song that justifies a color change 05:28:206 - here.
> 05:39:157 (2075) - ^
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
Thank you so much for the mod Nwolf! Very much appreciated <3 woof.

Nwolf wrote:

woof

[General]

00:11:550 - 00:14:126 - Personally I feel 60% is very inappropriate for these parts. Except for the addition of strings in the background, it's not louder or more intense than 00:00:140 - , the hitsounds are too loud compared to the song. Reduced to 50%

00:22:223 - Pointless red line? It's a false timing point to prevent NC from creating weird bass beats.

00:49:465 - 02:00:507 - (Til their next kiais) feel incredibly quiet compared to the first piano section, the song and kiai. Try to at least increase the volume to 70% for these parts to make the hitsounds more noticeable. OK. Also amped up 01:22:961 - to 75% just to scale.

02:59:035 - 50% is simply too quiet. Except that the song has more spaced out notes it's not really more quiet than before, so again 70% should be more appropriate here. Increased to 65% because I don't think it is really all that intense.

OD7 at 163 BPM with such difficult timing? I don't think OD7 is all that unreasonable, especially considering that this map is all about testing the player on accuracy. The majority of the map is not too complex, it is only towards the latter half of the map where things start to get a bit complicated.

[Oni]

01:14:495 (218) - 01:20:016 (258) - Intentionally no finishers? I didn't map the finishers there because I felt that it would take away from the momentum, idk how to explain, but basically the song is "picking up now". I felt that finishers would make it drag on a bit too much.
> 01:43:206 (430) - ^ (note that 02:43:942 (823,824,825,826,827) - in the 2nd kiai the 5-plet happens earlier!) True, but again hesitant because of same reasons as above. Although this case is slightly more convincing... I'm not sure.

01:27:194 (308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326) - Felt awkward to play towards the end, and 01:28:114 (318,319) - snare sounds here were ignored. Maybe try something like https://puu.sh/vWOVr/a5140b51fb.jpg Agreed. Settled for a hybrid mix of your suggestion and mine.

02:26:734 - There's bass drum on this spot pls mappu How did I miss that? UWU

02:59:035 - til 03:21:121 - Suddenly a part in the map without finishers I did some things :^)

03:37:501 (1160,1161,1162,1163,1164,1165) - Either I'm hearing things or this is odd - I actually believe the 1/6 quad should happen 03:37:501 - here instead of 03:37:685 - , so something like [kddk]kd There is actually no quad, I just overmapped it LUL. now reduced to 1/4th. It's just that the music speeds up a tiny bit - would you suggest sticking to 1/4th or introducing a custom bpm? It's actually a very tricky decision. The 1/6th fit quite well imo.

05:09:342 - long stream why i cri y u cry?

05:28:114 (1992) - Plays quite odd as don, think a kat is better here, also don't hear anything in the song that justifies a color change 05:28:206 - here. Personally I feel this is a very stylistic choice and I think it fits really well - I love the delay.
> 05:39:157 (2075) - ^^
Surono
7,195 posts
Joined November 2013
Surono
see in editor, get hypnotic cuz appearing of notes with bg xd
dem song, hard to choose fav song cuz tem song is bes. hhhh old ppl xd

add Marathon on tags?

00:43:758 - try to follow this snare? kat then don finish 00:43:942 - , differ emphasize if compared with previous kat finishers

01:33:084 (360,361,362,363) - I hear differ drum in here, 01:33:176 - at least kat this

03:14:679 - just idk why this kat

03:20:569 - finisher it? so makes sense at emphasized with 03:20:753 -

03:27:563 - if previous part is dddd kkkd, how about from here dddk/ddkd kkkk?

holy 1/6 1/4 lul

05:22:961 - haha, oke. x'd

05:51:304 - kat finish just plea- bcus similar range sounds with 05:50:752 - 05:51:857 -

old herman li
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
Many thanks for the mod!
Green for accept
Blue for not sure
Red for Deny

Mod Stuff

Surono wrote:

see in editor, get hypnotic cuz appearing of notes with bg xd
dem song, hard to choose fav song cuz tem song is bes. hhhh old ppl xd

add Marathon on tags? OK

00:43:758 - try to follow this snare? kat then don finish 00:43:942 - , differ emphasize if compared with previous kat finishers changed to k K

01:33:084 (360,361,362,363) - I hear differ drum in here, 01:33:176 - at least kat this Unfortunately no, it completely breaks the flow here if it is anything else. Though I did change on of the earlier streams

03:14:679 - just idk why this kat Not sure what you're trying to get at here. I used kdK for variety, and it fits!

03:20:569 - finisher it? so makes sense at emphasized with 03:20:753 - Second finisher is stronger than the first... I am unsure about this,
I wanted to emphasise the 2nd one more and if both are finishers, it just feels that can't be achieved.

03:27:563 - if previous part is dddd kkkd, how about from here dddk/ddkd kkkk? Why should I change it if it sounds IDENTICAL :thinking:

holy 1/6 1/4 lul AYYY

05:22:961 - haha, oke. x'd LOL it's not easy

05:51:304 - kat finish just plea- bcus similar range sounds with 05:50:752 - 05:51:857 - Changed to k non finisher

old herman li
Surono
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Surono
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
THANK YOU SO MUCH SURONO!

First bubble ever! <3
Grimbow
424 posts
Joined February 2012
Grimbow
01:05:661 (154,155,156,157,158) -

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

01:21:121 (265,266,267,268,269) -

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
mangomizer
120 posts
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Topic Starter
mangomizer
Thank you Grim for M4M.

Chat log available here.
IRC Mod
2017-05-30 14:34 Grimbow: Hey o/ Can I ask a couple things about moment of betrayal?
2017-05-30 14:34 mangomizer: sure
2017-05-30 14:34 Grimbow: okkkk
2017-05-30 14:34 mangomizer: as long as you aren't going to bash finishers
2017-05-30 14:35 Grimbow: Nah, more suggest some or ask about some
2017-05-30 14:35 Grimbow: not going to bash ^^
2017-05-30 14:35 Grimbow: also something in one of the solos
2017-05-30 14:35 Grimbow: nothing really import, just things I was interested about when playing it
2017-05-30 14:35 Grimbow: important*
2017-05-30 14:35 mangomizer: okay
2017-05-30 14:35 mangomizer: shoot
2017-05-30 14:35 Grimbow: 01:43:206 (430) -
2017-05-30 14:35 Grimbow: alright so
2017-05-30 14:36 Grimbow: this could have a finish on it I think, since you've been consistent with finishes in the kiai within reason here
2017-05-30 14:36 mangomizer: yeah someone brought that up before
2017-05-30 14:37 Grimbow: not a fan of the idea?
2017-05-30 14:37 mangomizer: I feel like it has enough emphasis already
2017-05-30 14:37 mangomizer: I mean both I am equally happy with
2017-05-30 14:37 mangomizer: but if were to put a finisher there, it'd be finisher spam
2017-05-30 14:38 Grimbow: To be fair there is cymbal spam
2017-05-30 14:38 mangomizer: that is true
2017-05-30 14:39 Grimbow: and if I am correct, it's pretty much the only one you missed out in that kiai
2017-05-30 14:39 Grimbow: apart from the k at the start of the little stream
2017-05-30 14:39 Grimbow: but missing that one is understandable
2017-05-30 14:40 mangomizer: hmm... It is a bit weird
2017-05-30 14:41 Grimbow: kkddK isn't too odd to play in the grand scale of things either
2017-05-30 14:41 mangomizer: that's true
2017-05-30 14:41 Grimbow: but I guess that one is down to mapper preference
2017-05-30 14:42 mangomizer: I'm just more concerned about 4 finishers in a row
2017-05-30 14:42 mangomizer: it works tho
2017-05-30 14:42 mangomizer: hmm I'll change it
2017-05-30 14:42 Grimbow: Neat!
2017-05-30 14:43 Grimbow: so to balance it out
2017-05-30 14:43 Grimbow: 02:22:777 (667) -
2017-05-30 14:43 Grimbow: I don't think this note needs the finish, since there is no cymbal crash on this and there is on the two prior
2017-05-30 14:43 Grimbow: 02:23:329 (672) -
2017-05-30 14:43 Grimbow: this one could have the finish though
2017-05-30 14:43 Grimbow: Also, if you don't have time for this or you have better use for your time, just say so :P
2017-05-30 14:44 Grimbow: none of this is any real issue, just things I've noticed playing
2017-05-30 14:44 mangomizer: also
2017-05-30 14:44 mangomizer: 02:47:532 - I added kat
2017-05-30 14:44 mangomizer: 02:47:624 -
2017-05-30 14:44 mangomizer: and changed this to D finisher
2017-05-30 14:44 mangomizer: what do you think
2017-05-30 14:45 Grimbow: hmmm
2017-05-30 14:45 Grimbow: if you are going to do that maybe add one to 02:46:888 (843) -
2017-05-30 14:46 Grimbow: since that is also a more prominent sounding cymbal hit, so the emphasis is more spread
2017-05-30 14:46 Grimbow: 02:47:808 (848) -
2017-05-30 14:46 Grimbow: maybe remove this to give it a little more of a kick? :thinking:
2017-05-30 14:47 mangomizer: rearding your earlier suggestion
2017-05-30 14:47 mangomizer: I don't want to change the finishers
2017-05-30 14:47 mangomizer: because I feel it breaks flow
2017-05-30 14:48 mangomizer: altho the first suggestion is validd
2017-05-30 14:49 Grimbow: Understandable stance
2017-05-30 14:49 Grimbow: Sometimes I follow music/drums to a fault so that's why all of this is only suggestions ^^
2017-05-30 14:49 Grimbow: most of the time, actually
2017-05-30 14:50 mangomizer: did you notice anything else?
2017-05-30 14:50 Grimbow: 02:24:893 -
2017-05-30 14:50 Grimbow: you could have a k here for the bell ride
2017-05-30 14:50 Grimbow: but that isn't too important either
2017-05-30 14:51 Grimbow: ah, found it
2017-05-30 14:51 Grimbow: 04:07:869 (1432) -
2017-05-30 14:51 Grimbow: here
2017-05-30 14:51 Grimbow: feels like you are missing two 1/3 notes
2017-05-30 14:52 mangomizer: 224 nope, because it breaks the phrasing I've put
2017-05-30 14:52 mangomizer: hmmm
2017-05-30 14:52 mangomizer: I wonder if that would make the stream too evil
2017-05-30 14:52 Grimbow: it's the end of the stream anyway
2017-05-30 14:52 Grimbow: there's no switching back to 1/4 after it so it's just a slowdown of playing speed
2017-05-30 14:53 Grimbow: so it's not TOO evil
2017-05-30 14:53 Grimbow: '<'b
2017-05-30 14:53 mangomizer: keep in mind it's also off hand
2017-05-30 14:53 mangomizer: I wanted it to stay separate
2017-05-30 14:53 Grimbow: also, I think updating the map pops bubble iirc, so if that's a thing you'd rather avoid you don't need to take these suggestions and update
2017-05-30 14:53 Grimbow: could just save them incase of DQ
2017-05-30 14:54 mangomizer: I don't think updating pops it
2017-05-30 14:54 Grimbow: true, but I think even though it is off-hand it is a bigger distraction missing the notes
2017-05-30 14:54 Grimbow: could be personal bias though
2017-05-30 14:54 mangomizer: hmmm
2017-05-30 14:54 mangomizer: I considered it once, but I'm not going back
2017-05-30 14:54 mangomizer: but thanks for bringing it up
2017-05-30 14:55 Grimbow: No worries o7
2017-05-30 14:55 Grimbow: you did it here though
2017-05-30 14:55 Grimbow: 04:19:771 (1519) -
2017-05-30 14:55 Grimbow: ACTION runs
2017-05-30 14:55 mangomizer: I know, but it wasn't the end of a section
2017-05-30 14:56 Grimbow: Hmmmmmmmmmmm I'll drop it then :P
2017-05-30 14:56 mangomizer: I just don't think it will work
2017-05-30 14:57 mangomizer: I think a break work's nice
2017-05-30 14:58 Grimbow: I disagree personally, but I can see why you'd want the break
2017-05-30 14:58 Grimbow: Other than the things mentioned though, nothing else ^^
2017-05-30 14:58 mangomizer: thank you for helping out
2017-05-30 14:58 Grimbow: Thank you for mapping it and running the gauntlet that is modding to bring some good ol' Dream Theatre to the ranked section
2017-05-30 14:59 Grimbow: My little magno has come so far since Nemesis and Flower Dye :')
2017-05-30 14:59 mangomizer: oh god
2017-05-30 14:59 Grimbow: Still have all your first attempts '<'b
2017-05-30 14:59 mangomizer: not yet
2017-05-30 14:59 mangomizer: soon tm
2017-05-30 14:59 Grimbow: just remember my name when you hit the big time
2017-05-30 15:00 Grimbow: :D
2017-05-30 15:00 mangomizer: actually
2017-05-30 15:00 mangomizer: 01:45:047 (440) -
2017-05-30 15:00 mangomizer: if this were k
2017-05-30 15:00 mangomizer: what do you think
2017-05-30 15:02 Grimbow: I thiiiiink you've mainly reserved k's in this section for snare hits
2017-05-30 15:02 Grimbow: so it might make more sense to keep it consistent that way
2017-05-30 15:02 mangomizer: hmmm
2017-05-30 15:02 mangomizer: ok
2017-05-30 15:02 Grimbow: In the 1/2 anyway
2017-05-30 15:03 mangomizer: ok these changes will reset the bubble
2017-05-30 15:03 mangomizer: I'll just ask surono to rebubble
2017-05-30 15:03 mangomizer: whwen I next see him online
2017-05-30 15:03 mangomizer: then I'll update it
2017-05-30 15:04 Grimbow: Okiedokie ^^b
2017-05-30 15:04 Grimbow: Thanks for taking the time to explain some of your stances
2017-05-30 15:04 mangomizer: mhmmm
2017-05-30 15:04 mangomizer: no, thank YOU for modding of your own accord
2017-05-30 15:05 Grimbow: No problem o/
mangomizer
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Needed to update to change a few things.
In particular:
01:43:206 - k to K
02:47:440 (847,848,849) - this became dkD
f05:09:342 - final deathstream was changed
Surono
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changes, filld more finish in first kiai or idk
chatlog
21:26 mangomizer: hi surono
21:26 Surono: `_L`
21:26 Surono: LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
21:27 Surono: dem taco discord,. i forget if i cant spik
21:27 Surono: wats up yo?
21:28 mangomizer: would it be troublesome if I asked you to rebub once I update map?
21:28 mangomizer: (i haven't updated,  but I made a few changes)
21:28 Surono: woah few changes. oke.
21:28 Surono: update it n will rebub
21:29 mangomizer: I can very quickly highlight what I've done
21:29 mangomizer: especially if you disagree wwith somethings
21:29 Surono: wwith, hmm.. can u point some u changes
21:29 mangomizer: I will update first
21:29 mangomizer: and then I can show you
21:30 mangomizer: because that's how I think the new direction should go in
21:30 Surono: ok
21:30 mangomizer: updated
21:31 Surono: ok timestamp
21:31 mangomizer: 01:43:206 -
21:31 mangomizer: this became from k to K
21:31 Surono: and every like this?
21:31 Surono: other part*
21:32 mangomizer: no
21:33 mangomizer: just that one section
21:33 Surono: just that...
21:33 Surono: other changes?
21:33 mangomizer: (because it is the only bit with cymbal crash
21:33 mangomizer: yes
21:33 mangomizer: now before next change
21:33 mangomizer: 02:44:311 -
21:33 mangomizer: you maybe wondering why this isn't kkddK
21:33 mangomizer: and that's because the last note has no cymbal crash
21:33 Surono: yeah I mean in this kiai, cuz some cymbal u didnt finish. but now yus
21:33 mangomizer: that's why it stays kkddk
21:33 Surono: o
21:34 Surono: yes
21:34 mangomizer: 02:47:440 (847,848,849) - this thing is now a dkD
21:34 mangomizer: could be questionable, hwat do you think?
21:34 mangomizer: technically according to cymbal crashes
21:34 mangomizer: it should be
21:34 mangomizer: ddK ddK dkD
21:34 mangomizer: but that is too much
21:34 Surono: ohh...
21:34 Surono: yeah too much X"D
21:35 Surono: just last part for alteration part
21:35 Surono: 03:01:980 - hm?
21:35 Surono: after 2nd kiai..... aaaaa......
21:36 mangomizer: too many finishers...
21:36 mangomizer: I don't want to make it a finsiher spam
21:36 mangomizer: if I do too many xxX
21:36 mangomizer: enough to keep it interesting
21:36 mangomizer: but not so many as to make it like loctav's map
21:37 mangomizer: 05:09:342 -
21:37 mangomizer: the final change is the deathstream
21:37 Surono: cuz lungstream yea
21:37 mangomizer: it's stilla long stream
21:37 mangomizer: but better patternikng
21:37 mangomizer: 05:11:366 (1844,1845,1846,1847,1848,1849,1850) -
21:38 mangomizer: old pattern ddkkkdk
21:38 mangomizer: new pattern kdkkddk
21:38 Surono: :ok_hand:
21:38 mangomizer: finally
21:38 mangomizer: 05:15:968 (1894,1895,1896,1897,1898,1899,1900,1901,1902,1903,1904,1905,1906) -
21:38 mangomizer: old was kdddkdddkkkdk
21:39 mangomizer: new is kkkdkdddkkddk
21:39 Surono: flowss guud.
21:40 Surono: okey, just it? me rebub.
21:41 Surono: btw how about nweff, he want rank ur map? wat reasons he wont rank it? timestamp pls
21:41 mangomizer: that's all the changes
21:41 mangomizer: the only reason he won't rank is because the deathstream is a deathstream
21:41 Surono: X"D
21:42 mangomizer: wait
21:42 mangomizer: before you bubble
21:42 Surono: ye
21:42 mangomizer: do you feel
21:43 mangomizer: 05:15:968 -
21:43 mangomizer: this is appropiate
21:43 Surono: a
21:43 Surono: `_L` its normally k
21:43 Surono: *okok
21:45 mangomizer: I wonder if it could be better
21:45 Surono: its okok.
21:46 Surono: ready rebub?
21:46 mangomizer: it doesn't feel ready
21:46 Surono: hm
21:47 mangomizer: what if
21:47 mangomizer: kkkdkkddkdddk
21:47 Surono: the current feelsgoodwithvocalflow
21:47 mangomizer: yeah....
21:47 Surono: 05:15:968 - dem kkkdkk , kkkdk enough.
21:48 Surono: yeah fine.
21:48 mangomizer: I'd be happier
21:48 Surono: and 05:16:704 -  doble kat dem vocalflow guud.
21:48 mangomizer: what do you think
21:48 mangomizer: about kkkdddkdkkddk
21:48 mangomizer: nah
21:48 mangomizer: that doesn't work
21:49 mangomizer: it's OK as it is
21:49 Surono: ohhh
21:49 Surono: lel
21:49 Surono: current or that dem
21:51 mangomizer: OK i'm ready
21:51 Surono: noice~

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Stefan
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da

Sneaky little unsnapped notes in the difficulty, probably caused due snapping with the function. Gotta pop the bubble for now.
00:22:959 (69) - goes to 00:22:962 - .

01:05:661 (154,155,156,157) - dddkD sounds really odd. Although you want to have the D at the end I think you could have a pattern that's more intuitive, like kdkkD.
01:21:305 (267) - I'd suggest kkddK for a smoother transistion from kat to don.
03:24:894 (1072) - What about k here? It is complementary to 03:25:170 (1073,1074,1075,1076) - with kkkd.
03:29:863 (1111) - ^
03:51:765 (1279) - I don't find that the music gives anything that you do 03:51:581 (1277,1278,1279) - as kkk while 03:51:213 (1273,1274,1275) - is kkd with an actual light sound at 03:51:397 - . Would change it to d.
03:56:458 - Would you really skip this beat? I find it more natural to connect these two combos together.
03:59:403 - ^
04:29:679 (1594,1595) - Either connect the two combo streams or remove these two notes, it currently sounds pretty undone and we either have a longer stream or a break between the streams.
05:23:943 (1964) - It sounds more consistent to me if you map that with kkdkkdk, just check what you think about that.

Also had a quick talk to the mapper and they want to re-check the timing on their own to fix every single timing issue I haven't point out now.
PatZar
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lol
mangomizer
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mangomizer
Thank you so much for the mod!. Had to disagree on some points here and there, but timing is fixed now.

Mod Stuff

Stefan wrote:

da

Sneaky little unsnapped notes in the difficulty, probably caused due snapping with the function. Gotta pop the bubble for now.
00:22:959 (69) - goes to 00:22:962 - . ALL FIXED

01:05:661 (154,155,156,157) - dddkD sounds really odd. Although you want to have the D at the end I think you could have a pattern that's more intuitive, like kdkkD. dddkD sounds perfectly fine to me. The sound is primarily more d based.
01:21:305 (267) - I'd suggest kkddK for a smoother transistion from kat to don. kkkdK is actually easier lol imo
03:24:894 (1072) - What about k here? It is complementary to 03:25:170 (1073,1074,1075,1076) - with kkkd. Drum sounds stays the same,
and I want it to remain the same as the previous kdkkdddd
03:29:863 (1111) - ^ ^
03:51:765 (1279) - I don't find that the music gives anything that you do 03:51:581 (1277,1278,1279) - as kkk while 03:51:213 (1273,1274,1275) - is kkd with an actual light sound at 03:51:397 - . Would change it to d. This mirrors the previous section at 03:45:783 (1225,1226,1227,1228,1229) -
03:56:458 - Would you really skip this beat? I find it more natural to connect these two combos together. Following the guitar in its entirety
03:59:403 - ^ ^
04:29:679 (1594,1595) - Either connect the two combo streams or remove these two notes, it currently sounds pretty undone and we either have a longer stream or a break between the streams. Joining is most definitely not the solution, BUT you gave me the idea to optimse the stream.
05:23:943 (1964) - It sounds more consistent to me if you map that with kkdkkdk, just check what you think about that. The sound changes,
hence the kkd -> kdd

Also had a quick talk to the mapper and they want to re-check the timing on their own to fix every single timing issue I haven't point out now.
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Bazinga!
mangomizer
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Thanks so much for the bubble!
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zigizigiefe

Stefan wrote:

Bazinga!
Sheldon Cooper is proud of you :^)
Surono
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burning roossseee, Secrets sooolllldddd, Momentummm of betrrraaayaalllll
kiss of deeaaatthhth, blood reveeennggnge, momentummmm of betrrraaayaalllll

\m/

spectating mango but me afk, then he was done played then me back LOL
gratz sir <3
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BLESS SURONO AND STEFAN, THE UNBEATABLE DUO
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DTDTDTDTDTDTDTDT

CONGRATS!
KamizonoShinobu
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Sorry but I have some words about this chart before this goes to approved map.
AstONIshing
OD7? You sure to use this on a BPM160 map? OD6 is enough for me already. Nonsense high OD just simply interfere gameplay experience on this map.

  • Before 00:21:119 (68) - , The density is so high compared to the upcoming parts. However, the previous part is calmer compared to the upcoming parts. This, imo, needs to be fixed. Imo you overmapped the beginning too much, let's say the d you used at the beginning. e.g. 00:00:508 (2,4,6,8,9,13,15) - etc. simply cut off the emphasis of the k with the piano fxs. Therefore I would like you to delete all the unnecessery d.

    01:00:508 (120) - onwards I feel like more ddk can be used to further emphasis the beats.

    01:05:753 (155,156) - kk? Could've emphasis 158 further. Besides, Arrival and I both agree that 01:05:661 (154,155,156,157,158) - should be considered with another 5plet pattern, or even make it 3-1.

    01:21:489 (269,270) - imo this has to be same finishers cause theese notes are both emphasis the heavy drum sounds. As they are emphasizing the same instrument, why don't you use DD /KK ?

    02:31:703 (738) - why k? It lost emphasis to the next note.

    02:33:727 (756) - why d? same reason as above.

    02:47:072 (844,845,846,847,848,849) - dkd kkD? makes the pattern fun to play. ddk ddk is too boring for pros imo.

    02:49:464 (859) - this is so inconsistent with the previous kddkddk 1/2s you used before.

    03:05:845 (947,948,949) - I would rather make it 1/6 dddk, I know you want to emphasis 949 with finisher but thats not how it should be done in this case. using a denser d is better to emphasis 949 at this case.

    04:10:814 (1446) - is finisher really necessary here? The fx here more or less has the same tone compared to others.

    04:22:593 (1539) - imo this could be a D cause you are emphasizing the drum instrument. It could also add emphasis between that and 04:22:962 (1540) - .

    04:29:219 (1588,1589,1590,1591) - kkdd is so awkward in this case. We seldom use these 1/6 patterns in the stream. I recommend kkkd.

    04:41:366 (1652,1653,1654,1655,1656,1657) - use dk dkdk. Be consistent with the previous patterns you used.

    05:01:060 (1755) - Why suddenly a d here? It's inconsistent with 04:57:931 (1731,1735,1739) - and is awkward to play as well. You need to fix this part in to a consistent one, follow k xxx k xxx structure. Similar problem were found in later parts

    05:17:072 (1906,1907,1908,1909,1910) - if you are making streams here why don't you just connect everything before 05:17:808 (1911) - ? It looks like the stream is left with fragments at last and is awkward in terms of structure and gameplay.

    05:23:452 (1957) - similar reason above kkdd

    imo you need to recheck the patterns you used at the last non-kiai parts. I myself feels strange on playing that part, probably you need to emphasis the instrument better.

Sorry, but tbh I don't think this map is ready for approved at this state. This could be a moment of betrayal, too?
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Stefan
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Oh boy, where did you summon them? Not like they would disqualify the map if necessary but.. you know, that is still scary.
OzzyOzrock
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All those points seem really opinionated and not real reasons to disquality, tbh.
Surono
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subjective so depends the mapper and better to wait the mapper response, this map was qf'd for 2days tho.
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