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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on mercredi 3 mai 2017 at 20:52:54

Artist: Pogo
Title: Data & Picard
Tags: Star Wars Trek Edm electro sample and Weightless Pogomix Nick Bonsai
BPM: 120
Filesize: 21890kb
Play Time: 03:07
Difficulties Available:
  1. Bonsai's Hard (3,07 stars, 390 notes)
  2. Insane (4,01 stars, 506 notes)
  3. Normal (1,82 stars, 256 notes)


Download: Pogo - Data & Picard
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Now featuring bonsai's masterpiece... and a video given by ezek!


Check pogo out here :
https://www.youtube.com/user/Fagottron
https://soundcloud.com/pogomix/
https://pogomix.bandcamp.com/album/weightless
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http://puu.sh/twZnp/21a0587726.txt

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hehe
23:17 BOUYAAA: mod my map xd
23:18 LMT: xD
23:18 LMT: which one?
23:18 *BOUYAAA is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1127159 Pogo - Data & Picard]
23:19 LMT: can we do irc? xd
23:20 BOUYAAA: sure
23:20 BOUYAAA: there is a gd though
23:20 LMT: well i'll mod yours first
23:20 LMT: and see what i can do with bonsai's diff xd
23:21 BOUYAAA: sure
23:21 LMT: i can't find the time to mod these days :c
23:21 BOUYAAA: if you don't have time you don't have to do it lol
23:22 LMT: 00:42:514 (1,2) - fix blanket
23:22 LMT: XDDDDDD
23:22 LMT: i'm sorry lol
23:22 BOUYAAA: xd
23:23 BOUYAAA: Fixed!!
23:23 LMT: 01:05:014 (3,4) - feels like this is more distinct than 01:04:514 (1,2) - if those were a slider instead
23:23 LMT: an exotic slider
23:24 LMT: or just sth to differentiate it from the first two vocal sounds and this sound 01:05:514 (5) -
23:24 BOUYAAA: did triple
23:25 LMT: so triple 4->5?
23:25 LMT: yeah could be good
23:25 BOUYAAA: triple 3 3.5 4
23:25 LMT: ahh
23:25 LMT: you know it's actually like
23:26 LMT: 1/6
23:26 LMT: xd
23:26 BOUYAAA: I think there is stuff on 1/4 so that shoud be no issue
23:26 LMT: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7137273 is what i mean
23:26 LMT: i know what you mean yea
23:26 BOUYAAA: I hope i'm not mistaken
23:27 BOUYAAA: I doubt that's the case lol
23:27 LMT: lol
23:27 LMT: yea
23:27 LMT: :\
23:27 LMT: hmm i'm thinking that it might also be structured so
23:27 LMT: 01:13:264 (4) -
23:28 LMT: check the 1/6 tick just before this
23:28 LMT: well or you can approximate them all as 1/4
23:28 LMT: and nobody will know
23:29 BOUYAAA: At this point i think it's way less confusing to do 1/4
23:29 LMT: yeah
23:29 BOUYAAA: plus there is a cymbal sound on 1/2
23:29 BOUYAAA: so drum followers won't be like "wtf is happening"
23:29 LMT: else it means a remap lmao
23:29 LMT: yeah 1/4 makes sense here
23:30 BOUYAAA: I mean the 1/6 stuff is probably just vocal offset or something
23:30 LMT: 01:37:264 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - holy shit xD
23:30 LMT: nah
23:30 BOUYAAA: lol
23:30 LMT: the hihat is on 1/6
23:30 BOUYAAA: tbh i wanted to do even harder
23:31 LMT: it's way too flow raping tho
23:31 LMT: if you want to use this spacing it's probably better if there's a flow to it
23:32 BOUYAAA: i can hit that with mouse
23:32 BOUYAAA: pls xd
23:32 LMT: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7137304 this is what i mean
23:32 LMT: is it singletapping or alternating
23:32 BOUYAAA: I only alternate
23:32 LMT: hmm
23:32 LMT: fair enough
23:33 LMT: you did introduce the stacks earlier
23:33 LMT: the only problem is the reading
23:33 LMT: 01:35:264 (4,5,1) - this is easy to read
23:33 LMT: but the 3 stacks are not
23:33 LMT: you know what i want to try playing it xD
23:34 BOUYAAA: yea do that first xd
23:37 LMT: oh lol
23:37 LMT: well i did hit that on sightread
23:37 LMT: but it was definitely intense
23:38 LMT: ok if you don't want to change it i think you can leave it like that
23:39 BOUYAAA: I'll leave it
23:40 LMT: 02:01:514 (3,4,5) - felt like a little oversimplified, but you could argue that the song is calm no one is expecting to many 1/4s here
23:41 BOUYAAA: Do you hear more soudns therE?
23:42 LMT: 02:01:889 - i can hear a vocal sound here
23:42 LMT: might not be consistent but i think it's meant to be on that tick
23:42 BOUYAAA: oh
23:42 BOUYAAA: well
23:43 LMT: 02:17:514 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - ending the clicking pattern on the blue tick seems to have a better emphasis here i feel like
23:44 BOUYAAA: thing is
23:45 BOUYAAA: ending a stream on a blue tick is very awkward
23:45 BOUYAAA: the most natural end is red or white since they are the strong beats out of all the 1/4
23:45 BOUYAAA: that's why I added the last one, even if vocals are not present
23:45 LMT: i know but
23:45 LMT: even in gameplay i felt like that was weird xD
23:46 LMT: or you could do it like
23:46 LMT: a double instead
23:47 LMT: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7137403
23:47 LMT: please don't mind the placement it's meant to create a rhythm there xd
23:48 BOUYAAA: fuck 1 sec
00:15 BOUYAAA: Sorry had to leave for a sec
00:15 BOUYAAA: lsdkfhj
00:16 BOUYAAA: I might rethink the number of notes but i'm probably gonna keep the stream
00:19 LMT: ok
00:19 LMT: 02:42:514 (1,2) - 1/1 sounds better? it's more distinct from the previous 1/2s
00:20 LMT: also if you have a sliderend on the white tick the circles go with the vocals
00:21 BOUYAAA: hm my thought were
00:21 BOUYAAA: 02:43:014 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - is separated from the rest of the vocals
00:21 BOUYAAA: it's kind of a new phrase
00:21 BOUYAAA: and since they're not really held sounds or anything i made a circle pattern
00:22 LMT: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7137577 this is what i mean
00:23 LMT: hmm
00:23 LMT: i kinda see what you mean now
00:23 BOUYAAA: 3It was quite hypnotic" starts here 02:43:014 -
00:24 LMT: ahh
00:24 BOUYAAA: 02:51:014 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I do it here too kinda
00:24 LMT: ok
00:25 LMT: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7137587 how about this
00:25 LMT: cus 02:50:514 (1,1) -
00:26 BOUYAAA: the reason i do'nt do a 1/2 slider in the second one is because instrument density isn't the same anymore
00:26 BOUYAAA: you don't have the sane and kick anymore
00:26 LMT: well yeah
00:26 LMT: i still think that there's a probably a better way to differentiate that abruptly stopped vocal sound there
00:27 LMT: with the rest of the 1/2 sliders
00:28 BOUYAAA: I'm affraid I don't quite get what you'r ethinking lol
00:28 LMT: ah ok
00:29 BOUYAAA: what exactly would you separate
00:29 LMT: so in the previous measure you had
00:29 LMT: 02:41:014 (2,3,5) - these 1/2s mapped to the vocals
00:29 LMT: and they go in 1/2
00:29 LMT: 02:42:514 - here the vocals go 1/1
00:30 LMT: so would like to see something different there
00:30 BOUYAAA: oooooooooooh
00:31 BOUYAAA: man that's some bonsai tier thinking
00:31 LMT: xD
00:32 BOUYAAA: i see no real solution tho
00:32 BOUYAAA: I don't wanna do 1/1 cuz i think it's more important to use circles on next pattern
00:32 BOUYAAA: and if i du circle only it won't be differentiated from that next pattern so i'm sad
00:33 LMT: circles only are just worse lol
00:33 LMT: extended slider is also bad
00:33 LMT: lmao this is hard
00:33 BOUYAAA: xd
00:33 LMT: consider a different flow
00:33 LMT: like
00:34 LMT: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7137636 like this? idk
00:34 LMT: idk if that makes much of a difference either xd
00:35 BOUYAAA: probably not
00:35 BOUYAAA: 90% of my map are direction changes so uh
00:35 LMT: yea
00:36 LMT: 01:53:514 (3,4,3) - these things are like
00:36 LMT: i felt like that red tick
00:36 LMT: should have a bit more emphasis?
00:36 LMT: 01:57:764 -
00:36 LMT: oops wrong time
00:36 LMT: 01:57:764 -
00:36 LMT: fUCK
00:36 LMT: oh it's correct sry sry
00:37 BOUYAAA: yea i tend to emphasize strong beats more
00:37 BOUYAAA: 01:53:514 (3,5) - kicks
00:37 LMT: that's fine then
00:38 BOUYAAA: your point would work though
00:38 LMT: yeah but i can't say yours is objectively worse lol
00:39 BOUYAAA: I'm really split on this kind of opinion to be fair
00:40 BOUYAAA: intuitively i know it'w better to just respect strong beats
00:40 BOUYAAA: but i sometimes feel like emphasizing loug weak beats would be gtood too
00:40 BOUYAAA: idk
00:40 LMT: 02:55:514 (3) - hmm not sure about a extended slider here
00:41 BOUYAAA: 00:47:514 (3,4,5) - copypaste lol
00:41 LMT: yeah i realised it too
00:41 BOUYAAA: i might change that though
00:41 BOUYAAA: you're not the first one to mention
00:41 BOUYAAA: bonsai did the same so i thought it worked lul
00:41 LMT: yeah just because you don't overmap that blue tick
00:41 LMT: it depends on the context xd
00:42 BOUYAAA: nah he did it in the same spod
00:42 LMT: by context i mean the whole map
00:42 BOUYAAA: I was planning on silencing the sliderend
00:42 LMT: cus you don't use them often
00:42 LMT: or if you use them there are actually sounds on blue ticks
00:43 BOUYAAA: yea
00:43 LMT: 02:32:514 (1) - also things like uhh sometimes you ignore this vocal on the blue tick, sometimes you do
00:44 BOUYAAA: yea
00:44 BOUYAAA: changing that
00:44 LMT: 01:12:514 (1,2) - like these
00:44 LMT: idk
00:44 LMT: this is an extended slider
00:44 LMT: hmMMM
00:44 LMT: ahhh concepts
00:45 BOUYAAA: yea it's extended for the vocals
00:45 BOUYAAA: i originally did that for the first one you mentionned too
00:45 BOUYAAA: though i think this one works pretty well
00:45 LMT: could be
00:46 LMT: well it's obviously readable
00:46 LMT: it's just mixed up concepts could be a little weird when bn asks about it lol
00:46 LMT: should be fine tho those are miles away
00:46 BOUYAAA: i mean readability/difficulty is really the last thing i'm concerned about ^^
00:46 LMT: yea
00:46 LMT: 01:21:514 (3,4) - also this flow seems a bit out of place
00:47 BOUYAAA: the only thing i'm affraid of with bns right now is spread
00:48 BOUYAAA: http://puu.sh/txuVN/cb864ec18d.jpg
00:48 BOUYAAA: pretty sure you've seen those patterns before
00:48 LMT: lol yes
00:48 BOUYAAA: it plays the same :p
00:48 LMT: yea i know but
00:49 LMT: your style is usually like ctrl+g that 4
00:51 LMT: 00:48:264 (5) - surely you can space this linear thing a little bit more so you don't get overlaps like this right :d
00:51 LMT: or is it sth intentional?
00:51 BOUYAAA: already did lol
00:51 LMT: ahh ok
00:51 BOUYAAA: saw it earlier and it triggered me
00:51 LMT: yeah i spotted it earlier but i just pointed out a blanket then lol
00:52 LMT: 01:41:139 (4,1) - this jump hmm
00:52 BOUYAAA: xd
00:53 LMT: yeah it's borderline ok
00:53 LMT: xd
00:53 LMT: yeah i think that's it for insane
00:54 BOUYAAA: Ok
00:54 LMT: 00:59:514 (1) - nice slider
00:54 BOUYAAA: beautiful bezier curve
00:55 LMT: 01:28:764 (2) - not sure about this lul
00:55 BOUYAAA: I'm guyessiong you can snare clickable
00:55 LMT: does seem like it's against your philosophy about respecting stronger ticks
00:56 LMT: well the impact on 1 feels stronger than sliderhead of 2
00:56 BOUYAAA: it is indeed
00:56 LMT: yet this makes it as if 2 is the actual impact
00:56 LMT: which is not technically correct tho
00:57 BOUYAAA: i'm changing xd
00:57 LMT: ok
00:57 BOUYAAA: vocal on blue is annoying
00:58 LMT: yes but that's part of the song :^)
00:58 BOUYAAA: i mean i wish i could map it
00:58 BOUYAAA: but normal :(
00:58 LMT: yeah :(
00:58 LMT: btw 01:39:764 - i agree with this being a gap
00:58 LMT: but not 01:36:264 - 01:43:264 - 01:45:264 - at those places
00:59 LMT: don't think the SR will go boom
00:59 BOUYAAA: dude if i could i'd have mapped all these gaps
01:00 LMT: what's the issue with those gaps?
01:00 BOUYAAA: thing is i think i have to leave gaps or i'll get yelled at
01:01 BOUYAAA: idk what to leave out tbh
01:01 BOUYAAA: i can probably map the last one
01:02 LMT: yea
01:02 BOUYAAA: 01:43:014 - 01:36:014 - mapping those is little risky imo
01:02 LMT: oh yeah cus this is the lowest diff hmm
01:02 LMT: i'm still noob at spread lol
01:02 BOUYAAA: i'll ask bonsai what he thinks
01:02 BOUYAAA: the reason i say that
01:03 BOUYAAA: is because when i participated in candy luv contest
01:03 LMT: 01:40:014 (3,1) - btw seems like blanket is off lol
01:03 BOUYAAA: i got yelled at by oko because i did like a 6 note streak
01:03 LMT: o shit
01:03 BOUYAAA: which i thought was totally fine lol
01:03 LMT: yeah shit
01:03 LMT: my normal on myrath idk xd
01:04 BOUYAAA: o haven't even seen that one
01:04 BOUYAAA: k i filled last gap and i'll harass bonsai to see if he'd do the 2 remaining ones
01:05 LMT: yeah
01:05 LMT: that's it for normal i think
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pls mod my map
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Read Rohit's post you Schnitzel
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>irc-modding a GD but not with the GDer
>not mentioning anything about it in the forum-post
>not posting the text itself so timestamps don't work either

10/10, can't imagine a worse way to mod something

how2respond
  1. lowered AR to 7.5 and OD to 6.5 even tho that's pretty irrelevant but ok
  2. lowered HP to 5, that's what you should've pointed out :^)
  3. sliders at 00:36:764 - etc are slightly weird bc they are mapped to the slightly weird vocals
  4. the 'uneven blanketing' at 00:53:514 (2,3,4,5) isn't an issue at all when you play it bc it doesn't even appear at the same time n stuff, I think it looks neater that way than forcing the smaller one to be larger
  5. fixel the pixel
  6. I know how autostacking works thank you very much lol, all 3/4-stacks like 01:08:514 (2,3,4) - etc are like that on purpose bc it makes them different from 1/2-stacks and thus these 'unintuitive' gaps more easy to recognize
  7. made 01:42:014 (7) reverse to avoid this stupid situation, makes rhythm slightly inconsistent but I think it still fits well since it's the end of the combo and makes the next note be more emphasized
  8. I don't know what your issue with 02:10:514 (9,10,11,12,13) is, "e" doesn't help much xd
  9. I think 02:25:514 (5,6,7) is fine bc the rhythm is already known since it occured a lot already, even with ar7.5, the whole diff has quite a few tricky parts so people are probably not gonna sightread-SS this anyways
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BOUYAAA: i'll yell at bonsai once he logs on
*hides*
posted
We figured forum mods made things too easy

"e" was probably a complaint about difficulty idk
posted

Bonsai wrote:

pls mod my map
ok!!

all suggestions
  1. Consider AR7/7.5 since AR8 makes that "NC on the red tick before the downbeat" gimmick kinda hard to read for newer players
  2. 02:01:764 (5,6,7,8) - due to how popular triple stack is, you might want to space these quads out so the player can notice the 4th circle instead of assuming it as a triple. (02:17:764 (3,4,5,6) - like this one)
  3. 01:35:514 (5,6) - not sure why this is a stack since you use stacks for similar sounds like those 01:40:514 (1,2) - 01:41:264 (4,5,6) - (i kinda get it since the previous one is same as this, still the syllables where these are stacked are not identical)
  4. 02:26:514 (7) - I don't quite understand why this slider needs to be perfectly overlapping, you do give the player enough time to read it but, it's something startling seen on the editor.
  5. 03:02:764 (3) - probably too clean for this sound, 03:00:764 (1) - seems like you did it here, not sure why you didn't do it again. 00:38:764 (3) - maybe this one too but this is exotic enough i think.
  6. 02:33:014 (4,5,6) - a bit too hard since the player has to speed up to hit the final note, means it's almost forced snapping to hit 5 properly. Since you want to increase the spacing for (6), a more snappy angle probably plays better.
posted
whoa lol

LMT wrote:

Bonsai wrote:

pls mod my map
ok!!

all suggestions does that mean I can deny all
  1. Consider AR7/7.5 since AR8 makes that "NC on the red tick before the downbeat" gimmick kinda hard to read for newer players I don't really understand that reasoning but yeah, already did that with the previous mod bc of spread ^^
  2. 02:01:764 (5,6,7,8) - due to how popular triple stack is, you might want to space these quads out so the player can notice the 4th circle instead of assuming it as a triple. (02:17:764 (3,4,5,6) - like this one) oh right, dunno why I didn't do that lol I wanted to be an ass to players :^)
  3. 01:35:514 (5,6) - not sure why this is a stack since you use stacks for similar sounds like those 01:40:514 (1,2) - 01:41:264 (4,5,6) - (i kinda get it since the previous one is same as this, still the syllables where these are stacked are not identical) yeah it's not the same sound but it's the same rhythm - two consecutive 'triplets' - which makes it stand out a lot to me, hence I wanted to emphasize it that way :D
  4. 02:26:514 (7) - I don't quite understand why this slider needs to be perfectly overlapping, you do give the player enough time to read it but, it's something startling seen on the editor. Well, why not? ^^ I just think it's a nice 'gimmick' (which this map has quite a few of I guess) and I think it's doable at this spot for the player
  5. 03:02:764 (3) - probably too clean for this sound, 03:00:764 (1) - seems like you did it here, not sure why you didn't do it again. 00:38:764 (3) - maybe this one too but this is exotic enough i think. I always kinda made a 'mix' between clean and weird because as opposed to 00:36:764 (1,2,3,4) -, there is still a regular beat going on here, I did the same at 00:52:764 (1,4) -.. I hope that reasoning is understandable, it's basically me following my feeling a bit more than usual :P
  6. 02:33:014 (4,5,6) - a bit too hard since the player has to speed up to hit the final note, means it's almost forced snapping to hit 5 properly. Since you want to increase the spacing for (6), a more snappy angle probably plays better. uh that must be an error on your end, those are equally spaced for me ^^
Thanks a lot, can't believe that this actually worked lol <3

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posted
Hello here. O/

[General]
- according modding assistant. Delete it.
no kiais?
02:20:514 - 02:34:514 - for parts like this for example (i just like kiai effect xD) (look bonsai diff) edit

[Normal]
Super usefull box aka blankets
00:28:014 (4,1) -
click me][img
http://puu.sh/tyqrd.jpg[/img:1337]

01:48:514 (1,1) - You coulcd blanket here better[/box]

00:28:514 (1,2,3) - and 00:32:514 (1,2) - should have similar rythm.. hmm?

00:34:514 (1,2) - why 2 is not curved?)

00:36:514 (1,2) - this flow feels unusual... 00:36:514 - Music changes here, also we dot strong vocal, i expected 1 slider
00:36:514 - here strong beat, 00:36:639 - here start vocal, 00:36:764 -nothing really important here . I think two points are really important together . So maybe unite them?
I suggest this rythm for this part.
00:38:514 (1,2) - here too. So point is pick out more strong points and ignore 00:36:764 - this weak one. Hope, You got idea.
I noticed that You use that rhythm all diff long, i suggest change it only for the beginning part for highlight a changes and make intro a bit easier. (intro is easiest part... hmm??)

01:13:514 (1) - looks a bit agly, mb wave?

01:28:514 (1) - whistle

01:29:014 (2) - whistle,clap?

01:40:014 (3) - pause here between two solid vocal parts sounds perfect i think.
or
This will increase the contrast between the quiet and vocals.
^ 01:46:514 (1) - same idea as You did here... or here 01:35:514 (4) -

02:05:264 (2,3) - a bit closer please :lol:

02:08:514 (1,2,3) - 1.22 between both of them

02:37:264 (2,3) - expected rythm that You used in prev part. Somthing like feels more... natural(?)


[Insane]

I'm not sure about 9ar, 8.8 feels much better. It's enough for comfortable reading technical part and not too fast for normal parts. (or mb even 8.5?)

Not fan of your flow here. Most of things are flow suggestions

usefull blanket's box
00:15:514 (3,4,1) - blankets better pls
00:59:514 (4,5) - hmm
00:52:764 (2,3) -
03:02:514 (1,2) -


00:20:014 (4) - sorry but it's agly, can You use smthing like

00:22:514 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - is it really necessary to spam 1/2 in the beginning?
Also 00:22:264 (6,1) - this spacing too big imo even for this strong vocal. 00:24:264 (4,1) - 3.0, like here will be nice

00:54:014 (4,1) - this jumps flows really bad , so fo keep this pattern 00:54:514 (1,2,3) - and make flow better i can suggest only for sliders.

01:01:014 (2) - ctrl+g flows much better

01:05:014 (3,4,5) - make stream here, there isn't any reason for stop oval flow. imo and You did't use such kind of stacks in another place so...

01:21:014 (2,3,4) - one more flow suggestion

01:30:514 (1) - hmm more space for strong sound to 2.8- 3.0 01:30:014 (2) - this beat is more weak than 01:30:514 (1) - so ...

01:35:014 (3,4) - This jump is really hard readable (at least for me for sure) cause you break oval flow... mb

01:55:014 (2) - 28 clockwise rotate ,01:55:514 (3,4,5) - 28 here as well and put a bit down.. so we got

ending is cool


[Hard]
hello Bonsai,

oh here we have kiai hmm....

Greenlines without Ncs? You know it's harder to read...

this hard is hard
super usefull box about blankets
00:42:514 (4,5) - tail a bit off
00:52:514 (8,1) - ^
01:13:514 (6,7) - ^
01:13:514 (6,7) -


01:07:514 (8,2) - avoid this overlap pls , looks wierd, You can simply rotate 2nd slider for example.

02:25:514 (5,6,7) - i have no ideas how to read it :o


02:11:264 (13,16) - fix stack, it stacked with 12 now.

And what about artificial stacks hmm?
for place like here 02:28:514 (1,2,3) -


that bn's good maps, which nothing really important to suggest for improve...

[]
That's all. Hope smthg will be usefull.
Cool song, cool mapset.
Goodluck.
posted

Mitkoff wrote:

[Hard]
hello Bonsai, ahoi :D

oh here we have kiai hmm....

Greenlines without Ncs? You know it's harder to read... I don't know what you mean by that D:

this hard is hard
super usefull box about blankets
00:42:514 (4,5) - tail a bit off
00:52:514 (8,1) - ^
01:13:514 (6,7) - ^
01:13:514 (6,7) -

whoops, fixed all of those

01:07:514 (8,2) - avoid this overlap pls , looks wierd, You can simply rotate 2nd slider for example. Nah, I like it this way and can't find a better way ^^

02:25:514 (5,6,7) - i have no ideas how to read it :oyeah ok I changed it now since too many people complained ^^


02:11:264 (13,16) - fix stack, it stacked with 12 now. That's on purpose, because you don't perceive only (13) as the last note, but rather (11,12,13) as a triplet, and (12) is the middle of that triplet - It's kinda the same idea as 02:43:264 (2,3,4,5,6,1) where (1) isn't directly under the previous either, but in the middle of that square ^^

And what about artificial stacks hmm?
for place like here 02:28:514 (1,2,3) - nope, those patterns are like this on purpose to differentiate between the different time-gaps: 1/2-gaps are always regular stacks (or custom stacks like your example), 3/4-gaps are always this sort of stack, and 1/1-stacks are always perfect stacks


that bn's good maps, which nothing really important to suggest for improve... :^)
Thanks for modding!

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230,65,173514,2,0,P|142:42|51:44,1,179.999994506836,2|10,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
30,209,174264,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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78,114,175014,1,10,0:0:0:0:
152,48,175264,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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229,166,177014,1,10,0:0:0:0:
248,68,177264,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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374,158,178264,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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64,308,180514,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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317,182,185264,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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256,121,187514,2,0,B|256:243,2,119.999996337891
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Mitkoff wrote:

Hello here. O/

[General]
- according modding assistant. Delete it. e
no kiais? i guess
02:20:514 - 02:34:514 - for parts like this for example (i just like kiai effect xD) (look bonsai diff) edit

[Normal]
Super usefull box aka blankets
00:28:014 (4,1) -
click me][img
http://puu.sh/tyqrd.jpg[/img:1337]

01:48:514 (1,1) - You coulcd blanket here better[/box] notvisible at the same time so it's good enough

00:28:514 (1,2,3) - and 00:32:514 (1,2) - should have similar rythm.. hmm? it's fine, the same key beats are emphasized, one circle is not mapped for the sake of having breaks

00:34:514 (1,2) - why 2 is not curved?) good question i think there is no good answer

00:36:514 (1,2) - this flow feels unusual... 00:36:514 - Music changes here, also we dot strong vocal, i expected 1 slider
00:36:514 - here strong beat, 00:36:639 - here start vocal, 00:36:764 -nothing really important here . I think two points are really important together . So maybe unite them? what you're saying is wrong, vocals are not a percussion, their peak indeed lands at the right spot. I also don't understand how flow is a problem here, the whole movement is literally a wave lol

I suggest this rythm for this part.
00:38:514 (1,2) - here too. So point is pick out more strong points and ignore 00:36:764 - this weak one. Hope, You got idea.
I noticed that You use that rhythm all diff long, i suggest change it only for the beginning part for highlight a changes and make intro a bit easier. (intro is easiest part... hmm??) What i'm trying to do here is pretty clear, vocals are emphasized with the slider and circle is there to make strong beats clickable. To me, your suggestions completely ingores the vocals even though here it's the most prominent sound.

01:13:514 (1) - looks a bit agly, mb wave? that's just how i do things

01:28:514 (1) - whistle yes

01:29:014 (2) - whistle,clap? yes

01:40:014 (3) - pause here between two solid vocal parts sounds perfect i think.
or
This will increase the contrast between the quiet and vocals.
^ 01:46:514 (1) - same idea as You did here... or here 01:35:514 (4) - this part was designed to be rather dense compared to the rest of the music because higher diffs all use harder concepts in that part. Removing objects for seemingly random reasons will just remove part of the effect i want this part to have so i'm gonna skip this too i think

02:05:264 (2,3) - a bit closer please :lol:right

02:08:514 (1,2,3) - 1.22 between both of them e

02:37:264 (2,3) - expected rythm that You used in prev part. Somthing like feels more... natural(?) I feel like variation is good cuz players might not fall asleep right away


[Insane]

I'm not sure about 9ar, 8.8 feels much better. It's enough for comfortable reading technical part and not too fast for normal parts. (or mb even 8.5?) makes no difference also for the dense part it's completely justified

Not fan of your flow here. Most of things are flow suggestions

usefull blanket's box
00:15:514 (3,4,1) - blankets better pls
00:59:514 (4,5) - hmm
00:52:764 (2,3) -
03:02:514 (1,2) -
shoudl be better

00:20:014 (4) - sorry but it's agly, can You use smthing like I disagree!

00:22:514 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - is it really necessary to spam 1/2 in the beginning? No it's not necessary, you can map it as full sliders if you wish but i decided it was best as circles
Also 00:22:264 (6,1) - this spacing too big imo even for this strong vocal. 00:24:264 (4,1) - 3.0, like here will be nice spacing is alright cuz you know this is low bpm and is labelled as an insane. All my jumps are landing on strong beats.

00:54:014 (4,1) - this jumps flows really bad , so fo keep this pattern 00:54:514 (1,2,3) - and make flow better i can suggest only for sliders. I don't think you played the map

01:01:014 (2) - ctrl+g flows much better this is literally the same but the other way around and makes everything following flow like garbage imo

01:05:014 (3,4,5) - make stream here, there isn't any reason for stop oval flow. imo and You did't use such kind of stacks in another place so... why are you talkign about flow all the time i don't get iiiiiit. The stack is here cuz vocals land on blue ticks

01:21:014 (2,3,4) - one more flow suggestion I mean this is literally just a back and forth motion with a curve

01:30:514 (1) - hmm more space for strong sound to 2.8- 3.0 01:30:014 (2) - this beat is more weak than 01:30:514 (1) - so ... ye

01:35:014 (3,4) - This jump is really hard readable (at least for me for sure) cause you break oval flow... mb Eh. Pretty positive it's just you

01:55:014 (2) - 28 clockwise rotate ,01:55:514 (3,4,5) - 28 here as well and put a bit down.. so we got
smthg like
did something similar


ending is cool

That's all. Hope smthg will be usefull.
Cool song, cool mapset.
Goodluck.Thanks for the mod!
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classic BOUYAAA, always denying everything :P
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You taught me everything!!
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lets go!

[Insane]
Ar would fit better to get a little lowered. Like 8.6-8.8
00:13:514 (3,4) - starting with fix blanket lol, but i somehow think you want it this way
00:20:014 (4) - don't like how this slider looks
00:26:014 (5,6) - think this should be emphasized with bigger spacing, sounds louder than other beats.
00:26:514 (1,2,3) - Same goes for here, feels like the section is somehow more intense/louder than the first one, but it appears to be mapped the same way.
00:28:014 (4) - Reduced SV should fit here
00:41:014 (2) - Damn making this a reverse slider would be nice but it would end on a really strong beat sadlife
00:49:014 (3,4) - I'd disagree with stacking this, making it a bigger jump would fit better (imo) http://puu.sh/tLq2A/d535eb6062.jpg
00:58:764 (2) - following the 2 loud bass hits would should fit better here, this exact vocal is kinda weird to follow.
01:04:014 (4) - making this into 2 circles somehow feels better
01:16:014 (6,7) - why is spcing reduced here
01:16:514 (1,2,3,4,5) - after this everything feels really low spaced, somehow i get a feeling like after this pattern spacing and SV will increase.
01:19:264 (3,4) - feels like this jump should be bigger
01:20:014 (5,6) - same here
01:21:514 (3,4) - this kind of overlap doesnt seem good to me introduced so abruptly
01:22:889 (2,3,4,1,2) - this is so nice lol
01:27:514 (1,2) - 01:25:514 (1,2) - in one part there's lineral flow, but on the other there is flow break on same sounds. Explain?
01:34:514 (1,3) - visual spacing between these 2 sohuld be same as 01:34:264 (5,2) -
01:40:014 (4,5) - dont think spacing should large here, in this way it does not make 01:40:514 (1) - emphasized
01:41:264 (1) - shouldn't look like 01:41:514 (2,3) - because (2) and (3) follow completely same sounds, would be more interactive if you wiggle this one out, to make the other 2 stand out as a pattern.
01:50:014 (4) - consider making this as 2 circles
01:52:514 (1) - ^
02:00:014 (4,5) - should have smae spacing as 01:58:014 (4,5) - or at least a bit higher
02:09:514 (4,5) - this spacing is larger than 02:09:764 (5,6) - think that's a mistake (especially considering your way of strong beat emphasizing)
02:18:014 (5,6) - either make 5 a kickslider, since (6) is not really a clickable note.
02:18:889 (2,3,4,5) - ^(except referring to (3) here)
02:20:014 (2) - bending the second half more downwards looks better http://puu.sh/tLrSN/661ae55c05.jpg
02:30:014 (2) - making it into a slider would be more fitting
02:32:014 (2) - ^
03:06:514 (2) - would making it into a kickslider fit?

[Bonsai's Hard]
00:20:014 (3) - this blanket looks very weird, pls fix
00:20:514 (4) - I think NC should be here, its a downbeat. I also feel that you should emphasize it somehow, like maybe ctrl+G
00:21:514 (2,3) - fix blanket ;v
00:27:014 (4) - i know that this is a bit more intense than 00:26:014 - but i'd suggest to follow either vocals or that beat fully.
00:28:514 (1,2) - stack feels weird compared to 00:28:014 (6,1) -
00:42:514 (4,5) - stacking could work better here, as you already did some stacks like here 00:40:514 (1,2) -
01:00:264 (1,2) - stacking them would feel nice
01:00:514 (2) - also why is there no NC here :o
01:08:514 (2,6) - since these two appear to be the same, 01:09:514 (4,8) - shouldn't it also happen to those 2?
01:15:514 (9,1) - a bit imperfect blanket
01:24:514 (2,4,6,8) - shouldn't there be some identical patterns like in 01:08:514 (2,4,6,8) -
01:37:764 (5) - maybe ctrl+g on this one for some gimmicks ;v
01:45:264 (4) - in the whole section this one is only just a bit more angled, why?
02:08:514 (3,4) - fixi blanketi
02:24:264 - think that this should be clickable, as you usually add a red tick circle before a downbeat 02:20:264 (1) -
02:57:514 (4,5) - blanket fix
Generally i'm a bit confused on this diff about NC's. Also i'm not proficient at modding below Insane.
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Update: made my own hitsounding bc I'm a strong independent tree that don't need no custom stuff, also made a few minor edits here and there
http://puu.sh/tN9xz/8287216d6c.osu

Edit: MaridiuS added a mod for my diff, thanks! :D

MaridiuS wrote:

[Bonsai's Hard]
00:20:014 (3) - this blanket looks very weird, pls fix done
00:20:514 (4) - I think NC should be here, its a downbeat. I also feel that you should emphasize it somehow, like maybe ctrl+G Nah, I always try to NC by vocal phrases in the whole diff, and it's already emphasized enough by being a slider instead of just a circle, I wanna focus more on vocals than on beat
00:21:514 (2,3) - fix blanket ;v maaan that's absolutely unnoticable, but ok lol
00:27:014 (4) - i know that this is a bit more intense than 00:26:014 - but i'd suggest to follow either vocals or that beat fully. Following vocals would feel weird bc they don't have any note after that so the slider would end on 'nothing', and I am following the beat fully anyways except for 00:28:264 which I leave empty in order to emphasize the three beats of 00:28:514 (1) more
00:28:514 (1,2) - stack feels weird compared to 00:28:014 (6,1) - I don't understand why though, to me it feels good o:
00:42:514 (4,5) - stacking could work better here, as you already did some stacks like here 00:40:514 (1,2) - but 00:40:514 (1,2) is the same tone twice whereas these are different, and I find 00:42:764 to be the stronger beat too
01:00:264 (1,2) - stacking them would feel nice but (2) is a reeaally strong beat starting the Kiai-section, and I'm already stacking (5,1) and I don't wanna mix things up either
01:00:514 (2) - also why is there no NC here :obecause it's already at the beat prior to it, bc I am following the vocal phrases instead of the pure rhythm ^^
01:08:514 (2,6) - since these two appear to be the same, 01:09:514 (4,8) - shouldn't it also happen to those 2? oh that was actually just an accident, I didn't mean to make it appear the same like that, I think the rhythm already makes them unified enough
01:15:514 (9,1) - a bit imperfect blanket aaaaaaasdf
01:24:514 (2,4,6,8) - shouldn't there be some identical patterns like in 01:08:514 (2,4,6,8) - mhh yeah, I copied the curved slider again, looks much better anyways ^^
01:37:764 (5) - maybe ctrl+g on this one for some gimmicks ;v lol pls ^^ same number thrice, so same slider thrice
01:45:264 (4) - in the whole section this one is only just a bit more angled, why? uhhh well it's the same angle as 01:44:514 (1,2,3) are placed in, I can't really explain that either though, it just felt right and still does, probably because it's the end of the section or smth
02:08:514 (3,4) - fixi blanketi blanketi fixedli
02:24:264 - think that this should be clickable, as you usually add a red tick circle before a downbeat 02:20:264 (1) - I know what you mean but in this case, I want to emphasize the 'additional' vocals that are mapped with 02:22:889 (1,2,3,4,5) more, and making that last slider a circle would kill differentiation bc then there would be six circles in a row, mixing everything together, and I don't like that very much, so I prioritized
02:57:514 (4,5) - blanket fix fixi foxi
Generally i'm a bit confused on this diff about NC's. Also i'm not proficient at modding below Insane. welp, I hope it makes sense to you when you focus on the vocals more bc that's what I did ^^ Thanks a lot for modding! :D
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m4m
[General]

AR 9 and OD 8 seem a bit high for 4* of 120 bpm. Maybe drop to AR 8,5 and OD 7 and have Bonsai's diff adjusted to AR 7 and OD for spread?

[Normal]

00:12:514 (1,1,2,3,4,1) - This part is 1.4x DS while rest is 1.2?
00:13:514 (1) - Quite unnecessary NC here, MaybeNC every 2 downbeats instead of every downbeat as now the combos are really short?
00:24:514 (1) - Vocals start on slider end, maybe want to change it in a way it's clickable
00:26:514 (1,2,3,4) - 00:22:514 (1,2,3) - Aren't these the same part? Maybe use same rhythm as well.
00:31:264 - Skipped a strong vocal here although yo have mapped red tick vocals earlier (00:22:264 (4,3) - ) And otherwise used red ticks a lot
00:32:514 (1,2) - Same as 00:28:514 (1,2,3) - try to keep consistent rhythm
00:36:264 (3) - No strong sound here so you could skip it for a normal
00:41:264 - And could map this instead
00:45:514 (3) - I'd really suggest 1/1 slider and a circle instead, here 00:53:514 (3) - works fine tho as it's single held vocal unlike 00:45:514 (3) -where the vocal changes on the white tick
01:32:514 (1) - I get you're trying to follow the vocals with this but there's a really strong sound on the white tick and it would work also for the vocals so might want to reconsider this slider
01:34:014 (1) - Not really fan of ending sliders on downbeat like this. maybe 1/2 + circle would be better
01:40:514 (1,2,3,4) - 01:42:514 (1,2,3) - 01:44:514 (1,2,3) - Again inconsistent rhythm for the exact same thing
02:01:514 (2) - 02:03:514 (2) - Here again you should try to work this so the vocals are clickable as you've followed vocals most of the time
etc

Your rhythm choices are kinda weird sometimes as you ignore some strong sounds but then sometimes map some very unimportant sounds on red ticks... They're pretty inconsistent too you should probably be focusing on that. Aesthetics look fine to me tho.

[Bonsai's Hard]

01:40:514 (1,2) - Just a random idea but you could nc both of these for the "one one" vocals heh

I get your idea on NCs but sometimes it results in really long combos like this 02:36:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - so might want to split some of them up. Overall a good diff imo, pretty different from my style so not much I could point out.

[Insane]
00:22:264 (6,1) - Feels like really big spacing compared to the rest, maybe a make it a bit smaller
00:23:014 (3,4) - Maybe some pattern like here 00:23:514 (1,2,3,4) - would work better as now your pattern has emphasis on 4 which is weaker than 3 imo
00:26:014 (5,6) - Here again spacing. 6 has a strong vocal on it so doesn't make sense imo to have so low spacing especially when you've used spacing like this earlier00:22:264 (6,1) -
00:30:014 (5,6) - Same here
00:56:514 (1,1,1,1) - NC spam?
01:12:514 (1,2,3) - Not sure about this, it playes rather weirdly imo
01:17:014 (3,4) - 01:18:014 (6,7) - inconsistent spacing again, had big spacing on all vocals earlier, now 6 with only drum has large spacing into a vocal with really low spacing
01:44:264 (5) - 01:45:264 (4) - You've had all sevens as stacks before so might want to change here too
02:00:514 (1,2,3) - Nice triangle meme :P
02:10:014 (6,7) - I'd say either stack there or increase spacing pretty much the same as 02:09:514 (4,5) - but I feel 7 has even stronger vocals than 5 so yeah.
03:04:514 (1,1,1,1) - Kinda unnecessary NCing again imo

Rhythmwise a lot better than your normal, might want to reconsider some spacing tho :P
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oh, forgot there was a mod here

Metaku wrote:

[Bonsai's Hard]01:40:514 (1,2) - Just a random idea but you could nc both of these for the "one one" vocals heh nah, repitition of numbers occurs many times so if I NC'd one of them I'd have to NC all of them which would result in spam lol

I get your idea on NCs but sometimes it results in really long combos like this 02:36:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - so might want to split some of them up. Overall a good diff imo, pretty different from my style so not much I could point out. That's actually the only combo that is so long, and that's because of the "incredibly unbroken"-lyrics at 02:36:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) so I wanted my combo to be unbroken too xd But thanks! :D
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[Insane]
I like how this is made :o
00:13:514 (3,4) - This blanket is a little too tight at the end. Loosen it a bit?
00:18:514 (1,2) - Flip these across X-axis? 00:27:514 (3,4) - Kinda like you did here :3. It supports the flow better (in my opinion) and also looks good because 00:17:514 (3) - is curved upward.
00:20:014 (4) - It's just me, but I think this slider is kinda tight :o
00:51:264 (1,2,3) - I'm not too sure you care but the followpath doesn't match up 100%
01:32:514 (1,2,3) - I think you should loosen the curve these object make just a tad
01:34:514 (2,1) - NC these so they say "2, 1"? :33
01:38:514 (3) - ^ (if you like it)
01:39:514 (3) - ^
01:40:514 (1,2) - I think this one is VERY do-able because he just says "1, 1"
02:15:014 (2,4) - This blanket is just a little tight. Loosen (4) juuuust a little
02:29:014 (2,3,4) - Can you make this go in a straight line please? >.>

[Hard]
00:39:514 (4,1) - Loosen (1)'s curve a bit to improve blanket
01:15:514 (9) - (meme mod) this slide risn't blanketing the background perfectly :v fix kds please thanks
02:08:014 (1) - Why is this NC so long?
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