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Feerum

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Feerum 2017-02-28T19:19:54+00:00

Hello again!

@Kuo. About the part at 01:08:318 - . On the blue ticks where you mapped is absolute no audible sound. Especially good to hear at 01:08:693 - and 01:08:993 - where no other background sound is to hear. You can't tell me that you hear something there because there's absolute nothing.

At 01:08:393 - is no sound. There is only the long wooob sound which continues from 01:08:318 - .
01:09:293 - About this one we could discuss. There's a really quiet faint of a piano which could be justified but it's so audible that it's absolute not noticeable while playing.

All other 3 are Ghost Notes and have no sound.

IF you want to keep these notes i would like to hear an proper explanation why it would be better to keep these notes and why they would improve the map more than mapping the very audible piano sound here.

Edit: While looking again into it i also noticed 01:30:368 (90368|1,90443|5) - should be 1/4 LN's too. You follow here clearly the harp sound with your short LNs what is totally okay but the harp begins already at 01:30:368 -

Waiting for your reply!

Akasha-

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Akasha- 2017-03-01T09:01:55+00:00

Okay, I will reply to this once and for all

@Kuo. About the part at 01:08:318 - . On the blue ticks where you mapped is absolute no audible sound. Especially good to hear at 01:08:693 - and 01:08:993 - where no other background sound is to hear. You can't tell me that you hear something there because there's absolute nothing.

At 01:08:393 - is no sound. There is only the long wooob sound which continues from 01:08:318 - .
01:09:293 - About this one we could discuss. There's a really quiet faint of a piano which could be justified but it's so audible that it's absolute not noticeable while playing.

Okay, I got your ideas, but the answer still remains no. Why? Your concepts of listen to this sound is a big different way for this
So you're saying they don't have any sound? Okay, that's fine, my thought was first too, but it does If you heard to it carefully once more time
This is how they work
(long note appears the soundable of that harp)

While for these long notes I present they have a louder harp sounds yes, and the shorter sound on 01:09:293 - is able to heard them well

but for http://puu.sh/uoYHm/a0c8ed6365.jpg they're like echoed, it's not inaudible, it does existed, it's just too small for you to recorgnizes them accrately.
What to say? It's full of 1/4 here but they just are in lower volume than other one, I will says I'm certain for that.

I'm not hiding from fixing this seriously, I'm just says I'm certainly right on keeping this and I have no must to change it either.

If you're already correct at the first place

Oh sh-, my bad, I was wrong

TL;DR: I'm certainly want to keep this part, it's not inaudiable at all, it's just our taste in music is difference.

Edit: While looking again into it i also noticed 01:30:368 (90368|1,90443|5) - should be 1/4 LN's too. You follow here clearly the harp sound with your short LNs what is totally okay but the harp begins already at 01:30:368 -

~~But I want to keep this pattern~~

01:30:368 (90368|1,90443|4) - I would say these two notes and like another different sound from them, it's harp yet, but it's too low pitch to follow so better keeps them the way it should be like now
Also starts on 01:30:518 - to be more melodic, I'm romantic right ?

ummm, that's all from me (again), I would say If you still uncertain about something in my diff, you can spoke them to me, I'm fine
I'm in exam week now so everything not going so smoothly to online osu! now so ... but It's better to reply to your mod now because I know If I don't = DQ

Feerum

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Feerum 2017-03-01T20:58:23+00:00

And me again!

Alright so. First of all:

I gonna disqualify the beatmap for now. DE-CADE still didn't reply to my mod to his difficulties. Maybe he's busy irl and we want to give him enough time to reply to it. Like i mentioned the hitsound issues are the biggest problem here for me and the 1/3 snap.

Next one:

Since i wanted to go absolute sure about your difficulty i asked my QAT-Mate Blocko about his opinion to the notes at 01:08:318 -.
Blocko couldn't hear any sound too after a carefully check. We both can't hear anything that's why we consider these Notes as Ghost Notes and we must ask you to change them. We read your reply but we still couldn't recognize any audible and mapable noise there.

To the Part at 01:30:368 -. I can live with your reply . I just wanted to mention it that the harp actually begins earlier but yes, it gets more audible later. That's why i'm fine with that.

With this being this beatmap is disqualified for now.

Akasha-

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Akasha- 2017-03-02T01:38:59+00:00

Umm, I did read the mod again and something I didn't notice is that 1/3 on 28secs
To be honest, it's 1/3 in the first time I done it, but then we want to make sure it by checking IIDX snaps https://youtu.be/5WzE9zeCzL0 on 0:36
In that chart, it's 1/4 snaps so we just follow it as for the best
But I don't think it's 1/3 or 1/4 either, just random (?) My guess

And no, I already explained details about my parts, I'm so tired of just reply to this to that everytime. I want to keep it.

Lirai

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Lirai 2017-03-02T18:26:15+00:00

Hi Feerum, firstly thanks for your time to check this map i really appreciate it, also sorry for late reply because i have serious business in my college. so the hitsound issues was fixed as you mentioned. it was my fault on how i use the hitsound copier application so some notes has double finish that are hardly to see it on editor itself. And the 1/3 snap, you may wrong about what you hear if you can feel it here that mostly this part are 1/3 drum hat for the secondary sound. And the main sound is the synth itself with snap 1/4 entirely. but at the last part u mention it has very low volume. i want to keep this as you see i already mapped 1/4 stream at there, if i should follow the 1/3 like what you mention i may remap almost entire diffs which is take long time to do it than i have right now

from that i hope you can conclude it by yourself if you think my map still not good for osumania players, i wont rank it dont worry

Lirai

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Lirai 2017-03-04T03:34:17+00:00

after talked to him, we fixed KK's 7K Another ghost note issues as Feerum mentioned

Critical_Star

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Critical_Star 2017-03-05T05:38:00+00:00

Rebubble

Lirai

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Lirai 2017-03-05T06:59:58+00:00

thanks cs ~~

Len

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Len 2017-03-05T16:52:19+00:00

nominated!!

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Lirai

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Lirai 2017-03-06T04:26:53+00:00

Baka Lennnnn

Feerum

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Feerum 2017-03-06T11:36:01+00:00

HeyHey

I made a quick re-check before qualify it back.
Uhh

[7K Hyper]
00:07:118 (7118|4) - , 00:07:868 (7868|4) - These should be C according to the other diffs.

00:19:718 - From here to the end of the stream are W hitsounds completely missing :p

00:54:518 (54518|2,54593|3,54668|4) - Triples like these which represent the drum should have a w hitsound too. You can see this pretty nice when you take Kuo's difficulty as reference. This counts for the whole part. (Check this maybe in some other diffs too)

01:03:293 (63293|3,63368|4,63443|3) - Missing hitsounds

01:14:318 (74318|0,74418|0,74518|4,74618|1,74718|5,74818|1) - All Notes have missing hitsounds.

01:16:118 (76118|6,76218|6,76318|5,76418|4,76518|2,76618|4) - Same goes for these.

01:20:418 (80418|2,80518|1,80718|0,80818|0,81018|3,81118|4,81218|5,81318|3,81418|4) - Same here. All other diffs are Hitsounded here.

01:28:868 (88868|6,88943|5,89018|4,89093|3,89168|1) - here too.

I think that's all. The other diffs looked already way better hitsounded for me.

Lirai

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Lirai 2017-03-06T13:06:18+00:00

Feerum wrote:
HeyHey

I made a quick re-check before qualify it back.
Uhh

[7K Hyper]
00:07:118 (7118|4) - , 00:07:868 (7868|4) - These should be C according to the other diffs.

00:19:718 - From here to the end of the stream are W hitsounds completely missing :p

00:54:518 (54518|2,54593|3,54668|4) - Triples like these which represent the drum should have a w hitsound too. You can see this pretty nice when you take Kuo's difficulty as reference. This counts for the whole part. (Check this maybe in some other diffs too)

01:03:293 (63293|3,63368|4,63443|3) - Missing hitsounds

01:14:318 (74318|0,74418|0,74518|4,74618|1,74718|5,74818|1) - All Notes have missing hitsounds.

01:16:118 (76118|6,76218|6,76318|5,76418|4,76518|2,76618|4) - Same goes for these.

01:20:418 (80418|2,80518|1,80718|0,80818|0,81018|3,81118|4,81218|5,81318|3,81418|4) - Same here. All other diffs are Hitsounded here.

01:28:868 (88868|6,88943|5,89018|4,89093|3,89168|1) - here too.

I think that's all. The other diffs looked already way better hitsounded for me.

fixed all lol xd

Feerum

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Feerum 2017-03-06T23:32:01+00:00

[7K Hyper]
00:56:918 (56918|5,56993|4,57068|3) - ??
00:59:318 (59318|2,59393|3,59468|4) -
01:01:718 (61718|5,61793|3,61868|1) -

When i said triples like these, i meant all xD
When these hs are fixed i can re-qualify it.

And yes. Good hitsounding is very important. It's important just as good pattern, right? :p
So yeah. Fix it!

And don't make me post again without a heart XD

Lirai

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Lirai 2017-03-07T07:02:08+00:00

xD awts sry sry fixed and also fixed some hs on another which isn't correct as other difficulty
you are right , hitsounding is very important but im really bad at it lool
thanks for recheck it

pls post your heart w

Feerum

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Feerum 2017-03-07T13:50:07+00:00

Ayy everything is fixed now.
Re-Qualified