Nekomata Master - Greening · forum

_handholding

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_handholding 2017-12-17T03:30:02+00:00

Gabe

00:11:034 (1) - Add hitsound addition so players don't confuse it for the piano beat that occurs on the red tick
01:06:103 (1) - Ending this spinner at 01:07:747 would be nice to give the player a bit more recovery time
01:40:623 (2,1) - I would prefer it if you carried on using x1 spacing for your 1/1 beats. The visual spacing has already been established for these beats. Using overlaps are harder to read more especially here because they only occur twice at the end of the map which would leave beginners confused as to what beat gap it could be. It would also make it neater and more clean overall. Same for 01:53:774 (1,1)
The final spinner seems to be mapped somewhat awkwardly to me. How about ending it with a spinner starting from 01:59:117 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9783007

Firetruck

00:06:103 (6) - Try replacing this with 2 circles. It would create some nice variety in the rhythm rather than the same slider > circle > slider spam. The music is also a bit different here as well so it's kinda asking for it
01:12:268 (6,1) - This stack sticks out like a sore thumb cos you only use it here
01:14:322 (4,5,6) - Would make more sense if these had the same rhythm
01:53:774 (3,4) - This rhythm feels a bit too awkward to me. How about this? https://i.imgur.com/zAKPEP2.png
00:43:089 - For this section the rhythm you've used doesn't particular match up with any of the instruments overall. They mix and match. I feel like you're trying to follow the electronic melody so what do you think about using this rhythm https://i.imgur.com/6idz6CN.png or something similar? 00:43:089 (1) - is the first object in the pic

Hard

Increase hitsounds in the beginning, I can barely hear them. 25% is sooo low
I would prefer it if you replaced all your kicksliders (1/4 sliders) with circles. Imho they don't do a good job at highlighting the melody as the sound is on the slider end (blue tick). Making them into circles would also make it more like a hard diff and a healthier spread/ easier to recognise and more friednly for hard diff players
00:15:555 (3) - ok so all sounds like this, 01:11:445 (6) - 01:18:021 (6) - etc (it occurs everywhere). Imho these would be better as 1/1 sliders. It follows the rhythm of the song better and lowers the object density. It's similar to sounds like 00:13:500 (1) - so I don't see it ideal to map it any other way
01:21:925 (2) - 1/4 reverse slider to map the blue tick?
01:58:706 (1) - I would prefer it if you didn't use spacing this big. Really high compared to the jumps you've used in the rest of the map and this is in the calm section.

Nokashi

00:06:206 (4,5,6) - Would be better if you could make the spacing between the tail of 4 and the head of 5 relatively small to the spacing of 00:06:719 (6) . This would avoid all ambiguity of 6 being 1/4 beat apart. Yes there is a spacing different atm but it doesn't look too different and with the way that a lot of people expect same beat snaps with objects that are structurally similar in spacing it does come off as ambiguous imho. I was thinking something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9783193 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9783243
00:26:034 (8) - With the way things are structured at the moment no one is going to sightread this as a double reverse slider
00:42:678 (1) - can you use the same spacing as 00:55:829 (4) ? When you lower the SV as well make 1/4 beats spaced it comes off as doing to much to reflect a part in the song. There would also be consistency in reflecting the same element in the song. Same for 01:08:980 (1) -
00:55:829 (4) - NC to signify decrease in SV
01:01:171 (1,2,3) - Highly recommend for you to not lower the SV here. It feels really forced when following the song and it's also inconsitent with 00:48:021 (6,7,8) . No real reason to start making sliders look like kicksliders here imho
01:27:267 (2) - Same as 00:26:034 (8)
01:35:076 (2) - ^
01:21:925 (2) - ^
00:39:185 (2) - ^ Actually, because these appear so often I don't even know if it's an issue anymore.
01:57:062 (1,1,1) - Just my opinion but these would play better if they were spaced across the screen. Considering how this entire section uses fluid motion and avoids stacks apart from 01:41:856 (6) -

Lewdlu

01:39:802 (5,6) - Straight sliders would look better here imo because of the low SV and how you structured the rest of the map
01:46:377 (5,6) - ^
01:58:706 (1) - Would be a good spot to add in at least one spinner in the map, up to you though

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@F D Flourite I think the rhythm in the Easy at 00:59:117 (1) is good because it follows the melody. Imo at least. Also let me bubble this first because I can't qualify maps

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Lulu-

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Topic Starter

Lulu- 2017-12-17T04:47:41+00:00

Kisses wrote:
Lewdlu
01:39:802 (5,6) - Straight sliders would look better here imo because of the low SV and how you structured the rest of the map changed
01:46:377 (5,6) - ^ ^
01:58:706 (1) - Would be a good spot to add in at least one spinner in the map, up to you though actually, this slider is a subtle reference to the album's name this song originated from, "raindrops", so i'm not changing this. (also there's a spinner at the end of the kiai)

it's happening wtf

Last edited by Lulu- 2017-12-18T03:17:30+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Lulu-

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Topic Starter

Lulu- 2017-12-17T04:48:02+00:00

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_Stan

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_Stan 2017-12-17T05:23:50+00:00

F D Flourite wrote:
again, rechecking. won't be too many things
[Stan's Hard]
00:17:610 (3,4) - nasty distance
01:11:034 (5) - NC
01:17:610 (5) - ^ A combo shouldn't be too long during kiai section
01:23:774 (4) - sudden direction/spacing change seems unexpected
01:58:706 (1) - x272 y252 should be better. The antiflow choice is harsh during this section

all fixed, thanks so much!

Kisses wrote:
Hard
Increase hitsounds in the beginning, I can barely hear them. 25% is sooo low | fixed
I would prefer it if you replaced all your kicksliders (1/4 sliders) with circles. Imho they don't do a good job at highlighting the melody as the sound is on the slider end (blue tick). Making them into circles would also make it more like a hard diff and a healthier spread/ easier to recognise and more friednly for hard diff players| nope, I think it's ok
00:15:555 (3) - ok so all sounds like this, 01:11:445 (6) - 01:18:021 (6) - etc (it occurs everywhere). Imho these would be better as 1/1 sliders. It follows the rhythm of the song better and lowers the object density. It's similar to sounds like 00:13:500 (1) - so I don't see it ideal to map it any other way | fixed some parts
01:21:925 (2) - 1/4 reverse slider to map the blue tick? | nope
01:58:706 (1) - I would prefer it if you didn't use spacing this big. Really high compared to the jumps you've used in the rest of the map and this is in the calm section. | fixed

thanks so much

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Nokashi

Nokashi 2017-12-17T12:16:59+00:00

Kisses wrote:
Nokashi
00:06:206 (4,5,6) - Would be better if you could make the spacing between the tail of 4 and the head of 5 relatively small to the spacing of 00:06:719 (6) . This would avoid all ambiguity of 6 being 1/4 beat apart. Yes there is a spacing different atm but it doesn't look too different and with the way that a lot of people expect same beat snaps with objects that are structurally similar in spacing it does come off as ambiguous imho. I was thinking something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9783193 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9783243 // Good suggestion, applied somewhat to your screenshot, hope its okay like this
00:26:034 (8) - With the way things are structured at the moment no one is going to sightread this as a double reverse slider // Tried something different, hope thats okay
00:42:678 (1) - can you use the same spacing as 00:55:829 (4) ? When you lower the SV as well make 1/4 beats spaced it comes off as doing to much to reflect a part in the song. There would also be consistency in reflecting the same element in the song. Same for 01:08:980 (1) - // Alright
00:55:829 (4) - NC to signify decrease in SV // Yup
01:01:171 (1,2,3) - Highly recommend for you to not lower the SV here. It feels really forced when following the song and it's also inconsitent with 00:48:021 (6,7,8) . No real reason to start making sliders look like kicksliders here imho // yee
01:27:267 (2) - Same as 00:26:034 (8)
01:35:076 (2) - ^
01:21:925 (2) - ^ // well this actually doesnt overlap into anything so its perfectly readable to me
00:39:185 (2) - ^ Actually, because these appear so often I don't even know if it's an issue anymore. // Fixed all the above except mentioned
01:57:062 (1,1,1) - Just my opinion but these would play better if they were spaced across the screen. Considering how this entire section uses fluid motion and avoids stacks apart from 01:41:856 (6) - // Aight

Regarding those double reverses, theres no way for me to differentiate them any better from removing them from stacking on top of other notes. The nature of the song itself doesnt let me subtly introduce them so i just had to compromise

Also did some self modding!

Update

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P.S Lulu dont forget to fix that hitsound point before updating!

Aurele

osu! Alumni

7,408 posts

Joined January 2011

Aurele 2017-12-19T05:25:49+00:00

Kisses wrote:
Gabe
00:11:034 (1) - Add hitsound addition so players don't confuse it for the piano beat that occurs on the red tick added a normal one
01:06:103 (1) - Ending this spinner at 01:07:747 would be nice to give the player a bit more recovery time sure
01:40:623 (2,1) - I would prefer it if you carried on using x1 spacing for your 1/1 beats. The visual spacing has already been established for these beats. Using overlaps are harder to read more especially here because they only occur twice at the end of the map which would leave beginners confused as to what beat gap it could be. It would also make it neater and more clean overall. Same for 01:53:774 (1,1) kinda fixed that with Flourite's mod
The final spinner seems to be mapped somewhat awkwardly to me. How about ending it with a spinner starting from 01:59:117 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9783007 I love how you formulated that, but no. I'd rather keep this slider as it's covering the drumroll part from this moment.
@F D Flourite I think the rhythm in the Easy at 00:59:117 (1) is good because it follows the melody. Imo at least. Also let me bubble this first because I can't qualify maps exactlyyy
[]I spend too much time modding

thank youu Kisses.

@F D Flourite: Applied everything except that one part again, in which Kisses answered.

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Lulu-

398 posts

Joined March 2014

Topic Starter

Lulu- 2017-12-25T22:47:32+00:00

wake me up when ~~september~~ the wait for firetruck's normal ends

edit: applying for firetruck

Kisses wrote:
Firetruck
00:06:103 (6) - Try replacing this with 2 circles. It would create some nice variety in the rhythm rather than the same slider > circle > slider spam. The music is also a bit different here as well so it's kinda asking for it done
01:12:268 (6,1) - This stack sticks out like a sore thumb cos you only use it here unstacked
01:14:322 (4,5,6) - Would make more sense if these had the same rhythm changed 5 and 6 to a reverse slider
01:53:774 (3,4) - This rhythm feels a bit too awkward to me. How about this? https://i.imgur.com/zAKPEP2.png applied
00:43:089 - For this section the rhythm you've used doesn't particular match up with any of the instruments overall. They mix and match. I feel like you're trying to follow the electronic melody so what do you think about using this rhythm https://i.imgur.com/6idz6CN.png or something similar? 00:43:089 (1) - is the first object in the pic applied

everything is ready to go now!

edit 2: hold up i'm trying to fix the update bug first

edit 3: celerih was apparently once told to ignore the bug on a map with the same issue, i guess we're good to go again

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-12-28T19:47:16+00:00

Normal
00:48:843 (6) - offscreen

Nokashi wrote:
well this actually doesnt overlap into anything so its perfectly readable to me

it wasn't about the overlap it was about the double reverse

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-12-28T19:48:22+00:00

fk i made a new post by accident, just fix the thing in normal and call me back

Lulu-

398 posts

Joined March 2014

Topic Starter

Lulu- 2017-12-28T23:29:35+00:00

fixing once i have access to a pc

edit: fixed

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-12-29T14:58:12+00:00

edit: I'm a girl

Lulu-

398 posts

Joined March 2014

Topic Starter

Lulu- 2017-12-29T14:59:15+00:00

i'm GAY

Nokashi

Nokashi 2017-12-29T15:03:17+00:00

Holy crap

Senko-san

824 posts

Joined November 2012

Senko-san 2017-12-29T15:10:49+00:00

its time?

Lulu-

398 posts

Joined March 2014

Topic Starter

Lulu- 2017-12-30T02:19:42+00:00

fixing some colorhax issues that i didn't notice until now in easy, normal and insane and a very minor hs thing in top diff

Uta

963 posts

Joined December 2016

Uta 2017-12-30T06:20:22+00:00

wow i actually played this map a while ago. nice to see it got bubbled

conngrats!

Lulu-

398 posts

Joined March 2014

Topic Starter

Lulu- 2017-12-31T05:10:19+00:00

Uta wrote:
wow i actually played this map a while ago. nice to see it got bubbled

conngrats!

o wow thank i never knew people play this garbage

F D Flourite

811 posts

Joined March 2013

F D Flourite 2018-01-06T06:58:18+00:00

1500x800 BG size is weird. It'd better to be fixed to regular ratio, for example 16:9, 16:10 or whatsoever. Now it's 15:8

no kd

Lulu-

398 posts

Joined March 2014

Topic Starter

Lulu- 2018-01-06T07:32:56+00:00

F D Flourite wrote:
1500x800 BG size is weird. It'd better to be fixed to regular ratio, for example 16:9, 16:10 or whatsoever. Now it's 15:8

no kd

changed to 1080p

F D Flourite

811 posts

Joined March 2013

F D Flourite 2018-01-07T17:24:01+00:00

[stan's hard]

01:58:911 - you can add a spinner at the end to keep ending time consistent

[Tranquility]

A redundant red line is on 0:00:000 - , which is not good. Please remove it.

Call Kisses for rebub (for the red line), then call me back.

Lulu-

398 posts

Joined March 2014

Topic Starter

Lulu- 2018-01-08T03:56:07+00:00

F D Flourite wrote:
[Tranquility]
A redundant red line is on 0:00:000 - , which is not good. Please remove it.
lol fixed

Call Kisses for rebub (for the red line), then call me back.

how does this happen

xLolicore-

636 posts

Joined June 2014

xLolicore- 2018-01-12T03:57:35+00:00

call for kisses monkaS

Smokeman

463 posts

Joined November 2012

Smokeman 2018-01-13T19:28:10+00:00

did some cute work with more colours.
The map like a flowerfield with a lot of green and cute colourful flowers popping up :3c

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link

00:25:829 (1,2,3,4) - made this look a bit more accaptable

seems gud now

_Stan

Beatmap Nominator

767 posts

Joined June 2012

_Stan 2018-01-15T13:43:57+00:00

F D Flourite wrote:
[stan's hard]
01:58:911 - you can add a spinner at the end to keep ending time consistent
ok~

update

osu file format v14

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ArtistUnicode:猫叉Master
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