tru, i make only the top quality maps for only autistic morons like me
Good point, I agree that higher ranked players are better at assessing higher ranked maps and this should be catered for somehow.My Angel Wilchq wrote:
Can't you understand that players mentioned are also the target audience for these maps?
Do you really think that people who get 20% with nofail are equal in assessing maps as players who play them quite comfortably?
You know you can make a point without being condescendingMy Angel Wilchq wrote:
go eat a dick low ranked plebs
Even if he is, its best to focus on the arguments rather than a persons character if you want this thread to be actual discussion rather than drama.Railey2 wrote:
You are such an elitist
Very underrated post, there are always going to be people that think their opinion leans more to objectiveness than subjectivity.CXu wrote:
Welp.
Objectively good/bad means nothing as long as the loved category is supposed to be what it is right now. If it did matter, we would just have a ranked category with more laxed rules, aka old approved.
OK extreme situation but my point is that lets say there's 3 maps for loved and you can only cast on vote, and he results are two maps with 33%, and one map with 34%, in the current system the map with 34% would be in the love section, but technically there's 66% of the voters oppose that one map being loved, so despite being the "majority" it's not an accurate representation of what the community wantswinber1 wrote:
umm, its either yes or no, so there is a majority and a minority. whether or not that majority is the "acitve" population of forum posters/"good players" is another question, but technically speaking they are still part of the "community"
it's not like you can just exclude them for being new
arguably more worthwhile than browsing classic G&R shitposts and repeated questionsYuudachi-kun wrote:
Haha look another useless railey thread intended to make argue for 10 pages
Lol? Looks like it turned out pretty well.N0thingSpecial wrote:
I mean just look at how democracy worked out for UK when they voted to leave EU.
They don't always oppose the map being loved, they usually just prefer it over another. If the community could instead rated the maps by 1-10 rather than there being a binary vote or not vote you would see a different story.N0thingSpecial wrote:
OK extreme situation but my point is that lets say there's 3 maps for loved and you can only cast on vote, and he results are two maps with 33%, and one map with 34%, in the current system the map with 34% would be in the love section, but technically there's 66% of the voters oppose that one map being loved, so despite being the "majority" it's not an accurate representation of what the community wants
I like this ideaKtkC wrote:
If you want to split up LOVED, that's a fine idea as well.
1. (Experienced Choice - top x000 players' votes only, or from a designated panel of users)
2. (Community - anyone can vote)
They may not fill the top of the boards but that doesn't mean they don't use them to compete with their friends. Though I agree that the better players probably use the boards more.-Jukke- wrote:
who do you think is gonna fill those leaderboards?
Good point, public attention is the other important purpose of the loved category that more competitive players probably forget. This loved category isn't ranked and is more about maps the community likes rather than competitive maps that are unable to be ranked.Stefan wrote:
What the fuck, the category has been added to give maps which are unsuitable for the rank status an own leaderboard and to give the attention to the public audience they deserve
Then the follow up question is how can you tell? I think this aspect of voting is ignored because there is no real way to factor this into the system without it losing its democraticness.N0thingSpecial wrote:
do these people actually like the map for the right reason?
Oh look another khelly post adding nothing to the discussion.Yuudachi-kun wrote:
Haha look another useless railey thread intended to make argue for 10 pages
You think I care about whether or not I'm adding to this meaningless discussion whose only purpose is to just incite meaningless G&R shitM3ATL0V3R wrote:
Oh look another khelly post adding nothing to the discussion.Yuudachi-kun wrote:
Haha look another useless railey thread intended to make argue for 10 pages
Fair enough, I understand if you don't want to get involved. Though the actual points discussed is interesting if the drama is disregarded.Yuudachi-kun wrote:
You think I care about whether or not I'm adding to this meaningless discussion whose only purpose is to just incite meaningless G&R shit
I'm just here to point out that: This is like the 4th time Railey feels like he has to do this
The problem with a system where people people rate maps by 1-10 is that different people have different standards for which value means what (some people would consider "5" average, "7" outstanding, and "10" incredibly good; while some people consider "9" average, and "10" good).M3ATL0V3R wrote:
They don't always oppose the map being loved, they usually just prefer it over another. If the community could instead rated the maps by 1-10 rather than there being a binary vote or not vote you would see a different story.N0thingSpecial wrote:
OK extreme situation but my point is that lets say there's 3 maps for loved and you can only cast on vote, and he results are two maps with 33%, and one map with 34%, in the current system the map with 34% would be in the love section, but technically there's 66% of the voters oppose that one map being loved, so despite being the "majority" it's not an accurate representation of what the community wants
That is a good system for a small candidate pool but when many maps are considered 1-10 is best. If every person had do list their preference for every map over each other it would be exhausting for the participants. That's why they use the 1-10 system on myanimelist, imdb, etcFull Tablet wrote:
The problem with a system where people people rate maps by 1-10 is that different people have different standards for which value means what (some people would consider "5" average, "7" outstanding, and "10" incredibly good; while some people consider "9" average, and "10" good).
Also, it is prone to abuse: people when they vote, want to maximize their own voting power, so if they think a map deserves a rating of "8", for example, they vote "10" instead to make sure the rating is pushed up (voting "8" would just be a weaker vote).
Instead of a rating system for votes, a better system would make each vote consist of a ranking of candidates from best to worst. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_tr ... te#Example
Including everyone on the list in each vote is not mandatoryM3ATL0V3R wrote:
That is a good system for a small candidate pool but when many maps are considered 1-10 is best. If every person had do list their preference for every map over each other it would be exhausting for the participants. That's why they use the 1-10 system on myanimelist, imdb, etcFull Tablet wrote:
The problem with a system where people people rate maps by 1-10 is that different people have different standards for which value means what (some people would consider "5" average, "7" outstanding, and "10" incredibly good; while some people consider "9" average, and "10" good).
Also, it is prone to abuse: people when they vote, want to maximize their own voting power, so if they think a map deserves a rating of "8", for example, they vote "10" instead to make sure the rating is pushed up (voting "8" would just be a weaker vote).
Instead of a rating system for votes, a better system would make each vote consist of a ranking of candidates from best to worst. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_tr ... te#Example
Ok i guess its better then, my bad.Full Tablet wrote:
Including everyone on the list in each vote is not mandatory
Maybe a better system would be a combination of both systems. 1-10 is simpler for the voters but gives unequal power in some situations. If however the 1-10 rating list of each user was converted into an equivalent STV preference list this system would have the advantages of both systems. Simple and fair.Full Tablet wrote:
The problem with a system where people people rate maps by 1-10 is that different people have different standards for which value means what (some people would consider "5" average, "7" outstanding, and "10" incredibly good; while some people consider "9" average, and "10" good).
Also, it is prone to abuse: people when they vote, want to maximize their own voting power, so if they think a map deserves a rating of "8", for example, they vote "10" instead to make sure the rating is pushed up (voting "8" would just be a weaker vote).
Instead of a rating system for votes, a better system would make each vote consist of a ranking of candidates from best to worst. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_tr ... te#Example
Threads are a team effort but ill try my best not to postN0thingSpecial wrote:
M3ATL0V3R you're solo carrying this thread to 10 pages
Don't give up!M3ATL0V3R wrote:
Threads are a team effort but ill try my best not to postN0thingSpecial wrote:
M3ATL0V3R you're solo carrying this thread to 10 pages
or maybe he's solo-throwing itN0thingSpecial wrote:
M3ATL0V3R you're solo carrying this thread to 10 pages
N0thingSpecial wrote:
M3ATL0V3R you're solo carrying this thread to 10 pages
Xyrus wrote:
Don't give up!
Thats not wilchq its AmaiHachimitsu who is married to wilchq.[Taiga] wrote:
If even pro player come and mix railey with stinky shit, it must mean something. More, as far as i lurk in Wilchq twitch channel since he started streaming, he is very, i mean very nice person, something really pissed him in this thread.
Oh right, yet Amai is also nice guy, didn't heared from him to be rude and toxic towards other people. One thing what amaze me here about polish community is that top rank elite players from poland are very nice people, unlike other games like lol / csgo where greater amount of top polish players are toxic cunts who waste oxygene.M3ATL0V3R wrote:
Thats not wilchq its AmaiHachimitsu who is married to wilchq.[Taiga] wrote:
If even pro player come and mix railey with stinky shit, it must mean something. More, as far as i lurk in Wilchq twitch channel since he started streaming, he is very, i mean very nice person, something really pissed him in this thread.
Was there ever a good time to exist?winber1 wrote:
it's time to stop existing
back when the 3rd dimension didn't exist yetN0thingSpecial wrote:
Was there ever a good time to exist?winber1 wrote:
it's time to stop existing
Before mankindN0thingSpecial wrote:
Was there ever a good time to exist?winber1 wrote:
it's time to stop existing