My Angel Wilchq wrote:
Can't you understand that players mentioned are also the target audience for these maps?
Do you really think that people who get 20% with nofail are equal in assessing maps as players who play them quite comfortably?
Call it eliticisim we don't care, it's the sad truth that WE THE ELITE know more and know better. Now go tell your parents that they are elitists since they always tell you what you should be doing in life only since they are more experienced. It's exactly the same situation here.
I personally don't really care what map goes there now, after some time most of the maps we want now will be included. But I have to say that I understand the people in question and agree with them.
The community is the target audience. The mentioned players are in the minority, but they act as if they were the majority or as if their opinions should outweigh the majority. If the majority wants the map to be loved, then it should be loved. That is the whole point of the loved-section, giving people maps they want to play without focus on the map's rankability.
My Angel Wilchq wrote:
It is a map with some potential but is mapped in a boring and ctrl + c ctrl + v way which should disqualify it from being loved.
go eat a dick low ranked plebs
There are many people who enjoy the patterns that are "boring" to you. It makes sense that the patterns are boring to you, because you've played the game for such a long time, but they aren't inherently boring for lower ranked players.
You are such an elitist that you can't even be bothered to think about that, you just disregard it all completely without second thought.
Incredible. What you enjoy does not override what other people enjoy. Get a grip. You can't tell low ranked players that they shouldn't enjoy playing a challenging jumpy map. I'm sure that you liked playing maps like that at an earlier stage of your progression as a player too.
The fact that you think about such a large part of the playerbase like this, is absolutely appalling. They matter too.
-Jukke- wrote:
the thing is, red like roses is a bad map no matter how you look at it. also what raiden and my angel wilchq said.
a person who cant play a certain map is not able to judge that map without a lot of mooding or mapping experience. and alot of 100ks dont have either the ability to play it nor the experience in mapping or modding. they just play it with nofail and think their cool when they hit one jump in a hundred (trust me i was like that too when i was very very low rank and someone put it in a lobby).
elitism in a case like this is very ok, since they actually are in the right and do know better
The thing is, red like roses is a map that many people enjoy playing, no matter how you look at it.
A person can tell what they enjoy playing, no matter how experienced they are with the game. A lot of 100k's spend a lot of time in the game, and the loved-featured is tailored to
everyone, which renders your points invalid.
Elitism is never ok. Guiding others with superior knowledge is ok, but this is not what is happening here. What we see here, is a minority shitting on what the majority enjoys, because they themselves grew out of enjoying it. Nothing more. It's petty and despicable. The loved-section is not about "quality"-maps. It's about what people like. Your knowledge of what makes a "quality"-map, is completely irrelevant for that section. It would be valid for ranking maps, but that's not what the loved-category is about.
Raiden wrote:
You call it elitism? I like to call it common sense. Not like I'm in favour of any aristocracy or dictatorship, though.
This happens everywhere, not everyone is allowed to vote (not until the age 18 in most countries) and I haven't seen you calling all democratic government elitists because they don't let a 10 year old kid vote.
Same applies here, in my opinion. At age 10 you don't have enough maturity to discern what politics mean and how life works overall (hell not even at 18, but we still vote). See the relation now?
It depends on what you vote on.
A vote that could affect an entire country? Probably good to not let children vote.
A vote on what you like for breakfast? Why should the parents opinion matter more than the opinion of a 16 year old? The vote casted here, is more akin to the breakfast-vote. If the adult thinks their own opinion should override the 16 year olds opinion, then that's just pure egoism and entitlement, because he doesn't want to eat spaghetti.