Celldweller - Switchback

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jossieP

akrolsmir wrote:

Modding from queue:
i_k' Switchback:
Placement of notes, sliders seemed very random Maybe thats my style? x3

00:33:924 (3) - Use .5x slider velocity here too. owenrqweiry
01:34:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Try increasing the spacing by a constant amount. encoiprsu
02:06:870 (1,2,3) - Increase the jump =O

Overall, the styles varied a lot with 3 guest diffs. Some were more organized than others... Anyways, starred. I know our styles are varied, but I think this made more fun
Download: Celldweller - Switchback (MercurialSpectre) [i_k' Switchback!].osu
akrolsmir
Forgot to actually star, whoops. Also, don't forget the tags (add ziin) and maybe put an "s" after the apostrophe for i_k's difficulty.
Topic Starter
Mercurial
Updated :D
p3n
[General]
No preview points set

[Normal]
I think it suits the song much better to map the beat more constantly, especially during the first KIAI. Those huge and random breaks because you mainly follow the lyrics are not very fitting imo. You can add a lot more notes to this map as the score and "feeling" is more like an "Easy" right now. Should be OK as long as you won't go over 2m or 4 stars. Put in some more 1/2 notes and map more of what you hear + the constant beat.

00:04:995 / 00:06:066 / 00:07:138 - The volume change for the hitsounds sounds very weird here imo. Stick to ~40-50% for non KIAI and ~60% your KIAI/"Chorus" sections

00:07:674 (7,8,1) - unnecessary jump/anti-jump
00:11:424 (4) - this slider ending would be unsnapped if you change the beat snap divisor. Move the end-point much closer to the actual ending of the slider.
00:12:227 (5,1) - anti-jump
00:26:691 (1,2,3) - messy spacing, disable grid-snap to place this or use grid lvl 4
00:28:834 (1,2,3) - ^
00:33:388 (2) - makes no sense to silence the slider beginning and turning point here oO
01:11:691 (3,4,5) - not in line with previous notes
01:38:745 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - maybe use some sliders here to break up the boring 1/1 circles?
01:42:227 (X) - add a note here? (Maybe turn the three notes into a repeat-slider)
01:46:245 (2) - shorten by 1/2 and add 1x repeat
02:21:602 (1) - start en end on the big white ticks

Some examples of "more notes":
02:07:674 (X) - add note
02:08:209 (X) - ^
02:10:352 (X) - ^
02:15:174 (X) - ^

[Keilara's Razorblade]
General things:
- 1/8 snapping is absolutely unnecessary for this song. Don't use it (slider endings that are 1/8 off are "wrong" anyway)
- Avoid confusing and sometimes impossible to read spacings. I think you just overdid the "MOAR SPACING!!!1" mods a bit ;) The song is only 112 BPM and thus 1/4 streams are possible to tap. Some players however prefer to use two keys even for relatively slow streams like in this song. The random spacing here makes this map actually harder than the "insane" version (and not much fun to play)

I suggest using 1,0x or 1,1x spacing for notefollows and add jump patterns only where they fit the song. Just make sure everything is still very readable.

01:11:156 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - It's ok to compress this stream but increasing the spacing randomly for (9,10) is just weird
01:11:959 (7) - delete this note as it doesn't fit very well imo, also adjust the compressed spacing to the whole combo as mentioned above: http://puu.sh/2QkX
01:27:093 (2) - 1/8 snapped slider ending doesn't fit in any way here
01:37:138 (5) - ^
01:39:013 (X) - add note
01:43:834 (X) - ^
02:06:334 (1,2) - switch (1) and (2), circle on red tick (where (1) started before), start slider on big white tick (end where (2) was before)
02:19:459 (2,3,4,5) - this is extremely annoying to play if the spacing is so random: the sliders are a lot slower than the "jumps" between them. Just stick to 1,0x spacing for slider-streams.

[i_k' Switchback]
Hitsound volume is annoying! Reduce to 60% at least. Better 50%.
Very inconsistent spacing throughout the map. Seems you switched from 0,8x to 0,6x and back to 0,7x/0,8x by accident.
The grid-size you used would be ok for very symmetric patterns but as you use many curves and circle-patterns, you should disable grid-snapping and work with x/y coords, [Ctrl]-snapping and pay attention to your distance-spacings.

The later parts of this map are very decent but the ~first half needs a lot of work.



You didn't follow the rules in my modding queue but I like the song so here is your ~star
Kei

p3n wrote:

[Keilara's Razorblade]
General things:
- 1/8 snapping is absolutely unnecessary for this song. Don't use it (slider endings that are 1/8 off are "wrong" anyway) Changed to 1/6 snapping
- Avoid confusing and sometimes impossible to read spacings. I think you just overdid the "MOAR SPACING!!!1" mods a bit ;) The song is only 112 BPM and thus 1/4 streams are possible to tap. Some players however prefer to use two keys even for relatively slow streams like in this song. The random spacing here makes this map actually harder than the "insane" version (and not much fun to play) Yeah ;_; my bad

I suggest using 1,0x or 1,1x spacing for notefollows and add jump patterns only where they fit the song. Just make sure everything is still very readable. Remapped everything again with 1,0 spacing.

01:11:156 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - It's ok to compress this stream but increasing the spacing randomly for (9,10) is just weird Fixed
01:11:959 (7) - delete this note as it doesn't fit very well imo, also adjust the compressed spacing to the whole combo as mentioned above: http://puu.sh/2QkX Compressed like in the img and deleted note
01:27:093 (2) - 1/8 snapped slider ending doesn't fit in any way here Fixed
01:37:138 (5) - ^ Fixed
01:39:013 (X) - add note Added
01:43:834 (X) - ^ Added
02:06:334 (1,2) - switch (1) and (2), circle on red tick (where (1) started before), start slider on big white tick (end where (2) was before) Changed
02:19:459 (2,3,4,5) - this is extremely annoying to play if the spacing is so random: the sliders are a lot slower than the "jumps" between them. Just stick to 1,0x spacing for slider-streams. Fixed spacing
Fast Update! :D

Download: Celldweller - Switchback (MercurialSpectre) [Keilara's Razorblade].osu
p3n

Keilara wrote:

p3n wrote:

[Keilara's Razorblade]
General things:
- 1/8 snapping is absolutely unnecessary for this song. Don't use it (slider endings that are 1/8 off are "wrong" anyway) Changed to 1/6 snapping
Ummm...sry for beeing unclear about this: Use 1/4 snapping! (1/6 and 1/3 is a completely different rhythm pattern and this song is a "normal" 1/4 beat)
Topic Starter
Mercurial

p3n wrote:

[General]
No preview points set xD Thnks

[Normal]
I think it suits the song much better to map the beat more constantly, especially during the first KIAI. Those huge and random breaks because you mainly follow the lyrics are not very fitting imo. You can add a lot more notes to this map as the score and "feeling" is more like an "Easy" right now. Should be OK as long as you won't go over 2m or 4 stars. Put in some more 1/2 notes and map more of what you hear + the constant beat.

00:04:995 / 00:06:066 / 00:07:138 - The volume change for the hitsounds sounds very weird here imo. Stick to ~40-50% for non KIAI and ~60% your KIAI/"Chorus" sections I just follow the "Kiai mod"

00:07:674 (7,8,1) - unnecessary jump/anti-jump And your suggestion is?
00:11:424 (4) - this slider ending would be unsnapped if you change the beat snap divisor. Move the end-point much closer to the actual ending of the slider. Done
00:12:227 (5,1) - anti-jump Done
00:26:691 (1,2,3) - messy spacing, disable grid-snap to place this or use grid lvl 4 I don't do that.
00:28:834 (1,2,3) - ^ No.
00:33:388 (2) - makes no sense to silence the slider beginning and turning point here oO I silence this to put a clap at finish of the slider
01:11:691 (3,4,5) - not in line with previous notes Done
01:38:745 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - maybe use some sliders here to break up the boring 1/1 circles? HAHAHAHAHA, It's a normal diff, not a Easy Diff =/
01:42:227 (X) - add a note here? (Maybe turn the three notes into a repeat-slider) I put a Slider... Done
01:46:245 (2) - shorten by 1/2 and add 1x repeat Asdf... D:
02:21:602 (1) - start en end on the big white ticks Done

Some examples of "more notes":
02:07:674 (X) - add note No
02:08:209 (X) - ^ No
02:10:352 (X) - ^ No
02:15:174 (X) - ^ Done


You didn't follow the rules in my modding queue but I like the song so here is your ~star Hahahaha, Sorry u.u Thnks Anyway ^^
jossieP

p3n wrote:

[i_k' Switchback]
Hitsound volume is annoying! Reduce to 60% at least. Better 50%. now 55% volume
Very inconsistent spacing throughout the map. Seems you switched from 0,8x to 0,6x and back to 0,7x/0,8x by accident. that was not an accident o.O
The grid-size you used would be ok for very symmetric patterns but as you use many curves and circle-patterns, you should disable grid-snapping and work with x/y coords, [Ctrl]-snapping and pay attention to your distance-spacings. sorry, Im not symetrical because of I dont know how
Download: Celldweller - Switchback (MercurialSpectre) [i_k' Switchback!].osu
Topic Starter
Mercurial

ikari_kyon wrote:

p3n wrote:

[i_k' Switchback]
Hitsound volume is annoying! Reduce to 60% at least. Better 50%. now 55% volume
Very inconsistent spacing throughout the map. Seems you switched from 0,8x to 0,6x and back to 0,7x/0,8x by accident. that was not an accident o.O
The grid-size you used would be ok for very symmetric patterns but as you use many curves and circle-patterns, you should disable grid-snapping and work with x/y coords, [Ctrl]-snapping and pay attention to your distance-spacings. sorry, Im not symetrical because of I dont know how
Gracias Kyon :3
Ekaru
You only use 50% of the mp3; there's like 3 minutes of unused mp3 left over.

This needs to be cropped to be rankable - ask in #modHelp or post in General Questions if you don't know how to do so. PM me for a remod after this is fixed, please.
indyinyou
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00:25:888 : add fin
00:51:602 : ^
01:30:174 : add note and fin
01:38:745 : fin
01:43:031 : ^
01:47:316 : ^
01:52:138 : ^

they're just suggestions

star ~
Topic Starter
Mercurial

Ekaru wrote:

You only use 50% of the mp3; there's like 3 minutes of unused mp3 left over.

This needs to be cropped to be rankable - ask in #modHelp or post in General Questions if you don't know how to do so. PM me for a remod after this is fixed, please.
Total Time: 2:29
Draining Time: 2:19

:?:
ziin
02- Switchback.mp3 properties:
Duration: 0:05:02
File size: 4.73 MB
Topic Starter
Mercurial

ziin wrote:

02- Switchback.mp3 properties:
Duration: 0:05:02
File size: 4.73 MB
Fix'd
Ekaru
Switchback:

00:21:602 (1) - I would rather replace this with a pattern like 00:19:459 (1,2) - , but flipped horizontally. It'll play better
00:23:745 (1,2) - Significantly increase the spacing of these two notes for consistency while you're at it
01:32:316 (1) - See 00:21:602 (1)

Razorblade:

01:25:888 (1) - Make this prettier, please
02:09:281 (7) - ^

I thought some of the 1/2 jumps were a bit too big for such an easy Hard, but okay

Normal:

00:07:674 (7,8) - Too tricky for a Normal, IMO. Newer players will think it's a 1/1 from its context. BAM! Combo-break -> ragequit
00:11:424 (4,5) - Space these out; they feel way too close.
00:38:209 (3) - Make this prettier, please
00:57:763 (1,2,3) - This is also a bit too tricky for a Normal. It's also really awkward
01:46:513 (3) - Make this prettier, please
02:29:370 (2) - I would replace the clap on this slider's endpoint with a Finish.

Easy:

00:42:495 (2) - The blue approach circle blends in perfectly with (1), and you can't see the hit circle itself, either. I would delete this and give (1) a finish instead.
02:06:602 (1,2,3,4) - I would move this combo down so (3) isn't overlapped by the HP Bar
02:10:888 (1,2,3,4) - ^

Star
Topic Starter
Mercurial

Ekaru wrote:

Switchback:

00:21:602 (1) - I would rather replace this with a pattern like 00:19:459 (1,2) - , but flipped horizontally. It'll play better
00:23:745 (1,2) - Significantly increase the spacing of these two notes for consistency while you're at it
01:32:316 (1) - See 00:21:602 (1)

Razorblade:

01:25:888 (1) - Make this prettier, please
02:09:281 (7) - ^

I thought some of the 1/2 jumps were a bit too big for such an easy Hard, but okay

Normal:

00:07:674 (7,8) - Too tricky for a Normal, IMO. Newer players will think it's a 1/1 from its context. BAM! Combo-break -> ragequit
00:11:424 (4,5) - Space these out; they feel way too close.
00:38:209 (3) - Make this prettier, please
00:57:763 (1,2,3) - This is also a bit too tricky for a Normal. It's also really awkward
01:46:513 (3) - Make this prettier, please
02:29:370 (2) - I would replace the clap on this slider's endpoint with a Finish.

Easy:

00:42:495 (2) - The blue approach circle blends in perfectly with (1), and you can't see the hit circle itself, either. I would delete this and give (1) a finish instead.
02:06:602 (1,2,3,4) - I would move this combo down so (3) isn't overlapped by the HP Bar
02:10:888 (1,2,3,4) - ^

Star
Thnks, Editing.
mancuso_JM_
star ;)
ziin

Ekaru wrote:

Easy:
00:42:495 (2) - The blue approach circle blends in perfectly with (1), and you can't see the hit circle itself, either. I would delete this and give (1) a finish instead.
lmao. I can see it just fine. Gave it a new combo. Extending it out would just be tedious.
All fixed.

Pretty funny my version is 2 kB bigger than normal.

Download: Celldweller - Switchback (MercurialSpectre) [ziin's Easy].osu
jossieP

Ekaru wrote:

Switchback:

00:21:602 (1) - I would rather replace this with a pattern like 00:19:459 (1,2) - , but flipped horizontally. It'll play better I keep it, but if someone make a refference to this later Ill change it
00:23:745 (1,2) - Significantly increase the spacing of these two notes for consistency while you're at it antijump? x3
01:32:316 (1) - See 00:21:602 (1) again?

Star thanks
JauiPlaY
hihi~ :)
some suggestions:

[General]
add a preview point.
delete the .osb file if you want.
and what a weird ending...i mean, you'd better to find another .mp3 file.

[ziin's Easy]
00:17:316(1,2) - i don't think those sliders need claps.
00:23:209(x) - add a note.
00:24:816(1) - too short for a easy, maybe a slider?
00:38:745(1,2) - maybe unrankable? well i'm not sure about it...but please, find a MAT and ask about it.
01:20:531(1) - too short for a easy, maybe a slider?
01:25:352(2) - remove clap.
01:38:477(T) - set kiai at 01:38:745.
01:49:191(x) - add a note.
01:51:334(x) - ^
01:53:477(x) - ^
01:55:620(x) - ^
01:57:763(x) - ^

[Normal]
hmm, do not set any kiai time at break time please.
00:01:245(T) - useless timing point.
00:04:459(1,2,3) - spacing.
00:11:424(4,5) - ^
01:38:477(T) - set kiai at 01:38:745.

[Keilara's Razorblade]
it's no need to map this song with 1/6 snap.
00:33:120(1,2) - 01:11:156(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - weird rhythm imo.
01:27:138(2) - the slider starts at 01:27:093.
01:37:138(5,6) - do not use 1/8 sliders here please, it's unnecessary.

[i_k' Switchback!]
00:26:691(5,1) - do not overlapped well.
no any other technical errors. but the map do not looks well imo. try to think again about your mapping and make it neat a bit more please.

that's all.
so
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