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It seems like the track would lend itself well to spacing/patterning gimmicks in the higher difficulty tiers as opposed to artificially inflating the bulk of the track with various triplets and streams in places where the cadence does not clearly support it.

Almost every single insane+ diff across all authors suffers from this issue. It's astonishing.

Like, I could forgive it if the extra hitcircles were adding or establishing counter-rhythm or alternative sound within the track itself (the various umineko marathon length maps are a good example of this sort of thing being done well), but they're seriously present for no reason other than inflate the difficulty of the track. This never would have been allowed in previous years.
posted
but thers 1/16 hihats (w.r.t 200 bpm) int he song :thinking:

edit: i mean 1/4 in 200 bpm i forgot its osu -_
posted
While overmapping tends to be looked down upon, if you want my opinion I thin overmapping is okay if done in a way that a player can understand it without issue.

Example would be if you use a pattern / hit sound combination that suggests the upcoming stream, that could make the player think the stream is there even though it actually isn't, and thus they can read it.

And it IS still complimenting the fact this is a rhythm game, because rhythm can be predicted, and a player will prepare for a really hard pattern or stream because they'll hear the song build up.

So in a way, a song can 'suggest' notes, but not actually include them. That's why in my opinion there are cases where overmap is justified.
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Ephemeral, your concern really boils down to something like "just because it's in the track doesn't mean you have to map it". Which is valid to some degree. If there were a really quiet 1/16 track playing through this whole song, mapping all the 1/16's wouldn't be considered overmapping (according to its current definition anyways) but it wouldn't be feasible either.

The 1/8's in this track are there. They are noticeable when you year the song, and the map's real bpm (200) is really fast. The large spacing, jumps, slider velocities all allow those 1/8 triplets and streams to be fitting to the map without feeling forced. If we used slow SV's and barely any jumps, then yes, I think mapping 1/8 streams would be out of place for the intended difficulty. But that's not the case here.

Also, I'm confident that the mappers here are not mapping the 1/8's with the intention of inflating the difficulty. It would be pretty hard anyways, considering the longest stream is only 9 notes. Rather, I think everyone is mapping them because the song presents these 1/8's and we're mapping them to acknowledging their presence in the track.

Extra-level mapping has become immensely popular over the last two or so years. What was maybe unacceptable a few years back is now common because so many Extra-level maps have been churned out that the meta for them has completely shifted. If the track supports the use of the 1/8's (note that they are realistically just 1/4's at 200 bpm) then the mapper is encouraged to map them if they are mapping a high-level difficulty.

Thinking about this more, I think this is just a matter of perspective, and old meeting new. I do plan on nerfing the spacing on some stream patterns, only because I don't want the streams to be emphasized. Other than that though, I think the streams and triplets work really well with the track, so I'm sorry if you disagree.
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I don't think the hihats have enough presence at any point in the song between the padsynths and the vocals to warrant having full sections of 3+ notes mapped to them. They're there, but they're nowhere near prominent enough. They're also sporadically represented by triplets and then later 5+ streams with no real sense of tangible consistency, at least across Alone Together. There's several triplets in the first vocal verse that also have no reflecting hihat representation in the track or any precedent set earlier in the track by similar patterning either.

I mean, you're well entitled to claim artistic merit and leave them as is, but I personally find them incredibly jarring. I think you could do (and have done) considerably better.

I like throwing myself at things well beyond my actual skill level to play, especially if they follow the main lines of the tracks they're mapped to very closely. I couldn't enjoy any of the higher difficulty tracks in that set for this reason - every time I'd get into the groove, people would swap abruptly from the vocal or synth line into this haphazard hihat representation either without warning, or during highly layered parts of the song where you have to actually intensely focus on the track to even hear them fully. Honestly, on some bass frontloaded headsets, I'm not sure they'd be audible at all.

Alone Together in particular had a very interesting flow to it that was continually interrupted by this sort of stuff. Really threw me out of it, and not in an "oh that's kinda cool" way.
posted
I totally agree. There are some really good parts, and I love the flow there. But the streams and triplets feel out of place. Even if it's musically "allowed", it doesn't feel right for me.
posted
This is Porter himself playing the song on stepmania and it really sounds like he is doing 2/3 to me (3:07)
idk if this is useful

posted
On Rumi's Extra
02:23:242 (1,1) - aren't this suppose to stack :P
posted
THANKS TO ALL CREATORS OF THIS BEATMAPS!!!!!! I don't even know how discribe my feelings about this song... It's very emotional and heart touching...
posted

i think your avatar works pretty well
posted
5-ples ruin every single map of Shelter. I will never understand people who use anything longer than a triple in this song.
posted
I think 5-plets still have good rhythmic value. Also, having a rhythm that is denser than a triplet creates some rhythmic density variation across different sections. It's subtle, but it allows one section to feel denser than another just from the use of 5-plets instead of just triplets. But considering people's opinions on the 1/8's, I've remapped all 1/8's longer than 5-plets.

I don't believe these streams are detrimental to the song, so I'm not going to recommend any GD'er to do the same. I'm really just experimenting here, and I'm fine with not mapping the streams because I suck at 200 bpm streams anyways xD.
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honestly you can probably cut out the 50 seconds of nothingness besides anime vocals to save space

top diff: 01:16:042 (1,2,3) - i liked the circle - slider pattern you had previously, felt a lot easier to read and play through than this tbh
01:23:392 (2,3,4,5,6) - ok so THIS is what every1 is talking about alright

i guess i'll throw my opinion out there on this: in general it feels pretty unwarranted. this isn't really a generic dnb song (in my eyes) where you can get away with 5 bursts frequently. is it detrimental to playing? no, but it's honestly really awkward given the relaxing nature of the song. the triples are ok as they stand imo.

01:25:642 (1,2,3) - this is like the most awkward pattern u could make with this rhythm tho holy
01:43:042 (4,5) - stack these maybe? would flow a lot better
01:44:092 (4,5) - oh i hate you so much
01:57:442 (3,3) - it'd be kind of cool to give these a bit more emphasis like you did 01:59:842 (3,3) - on these ones
02:18:742 (3,4) - basically same thing here, i'm honestly not a huge fan of doing stuff like this (though this is better since it's kick sliders and not clickable notes, so)
02:25:792 (2,3,4,5,6) - ok tho if you keep the streams you can be a lot more creative here than just stacking them lul
03:22:492 (1,2,3) - not really sure what this is following?

not a huge fan of how big the spacing is in this section up until 03:37:642 (1) - feels like it's way too big in most parts lol

04:05:242 (1,2) - u used sliders to begin stuff like this before but now it's notes wht
04:36:442 (2) - nc xd
04:37:342 (1) - silence slider ticks? i don't hear much of anything here so i mean
05:27:230 (1) - LOUD spinner is loud

literally cant mod any of the other diffs but nice hp 0 @ kibble
hope i helped kind of!!
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We're leaving the first 50 seconds because of the video :D.

I'm going to get some more mods and hopefully we can get all replies and stuff ready by next week.

GD'ers : Please do not reply to mods until I tell you to. It'll save me a looot of time having to update your diff while more mods are rolling in. Once all the mods I'm expecting are posted, i'll message you guys to reply to mods.
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m4m

[Alone Together]
  1. 01:01:042 (4,5) - ctrl+g? i feel like the movement into the strong vocal at 01:01:342 - is a little too smooth
  2. 01:11:842 (2,3,4) - maybe try this? you don't tend to use this kind of circle -> slider movement, so it felt out of place
  3. 01:27:442 (1,2,3) - would be cool if you thought of something to emphasize the decrease in intensity... but i cant think of anything
  4. 01:32:542 (3,4) - i think these are overmapping the silence there tbh
  5. 01:53:242 (3) - NC for consistency
  6. 02:18:442 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - mm this is your only 9-note stream here, sticking to quintuplets would honestly feel better without overloading the player much
  7. 02:40:342 (3,4) - why'd you choose to leave this empty all of a sudden
  8. 02:41:542 (1) - remove NC? 1 note combos lol
  9. 03:28:642 (4,5) - rearrange this so that that syncopated beat gets more emphasis by having a larger jump or w/e?
  10. 03:52:042 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - same as b4


[Kibb's Extra]
  1. 01:08:392 (2) - stack plz
  2. 01:46:792 (2,3) - ctrl+g? all of the beats for all 4 circles are pretty much the same intensity
  3. 02:04:792 (5) - tbh that vocal nuance sounds really weird to map to, but its kinda cool
  4. 02:22:192 (1,2) - this could be a larger jump in comparison to the rest of the section, seems weak. maybe around 344|32
  5. 02:24:592 (2,1,2,3) - the jump feels a little forced with that 1/8 extension
  6. 02:52:042 (1) - i'll steal this slider design
  7. 03:23:692 (3,4) - not a fan of ignoring the downbeat here tbh, its emphasis is part of what defines the song
  8. 04:08:092 (3,4,5) - this motion.. kinda uncomfortable to jump to 4
  9. 04:18:442 (1,1,1) - shouldn't the velocities increase instead, since the music is building up to the 2nd half of the kiai
  10. 05:05:527 (2,3) - the way the circle doesn't visually flow into the slider bugs me lol
  11. 05:15:859 (3,6) - not gonna use 2 circles for piano like u did at 05:21:192 (2,3,5,6) - ?


[Nathan's Extra]
  1. 02:43:642 (1) - you could curve this more tbh
  2. 02:58:042 (1) - a little weird to intentionall ignore the vocals all of a sudden
  3. 03:30:892 (2,4,6,8) - these are a tick too early
  4. 03:42:742 (2,3,4) - not very intuitive to have triplets end on weak beats tbh
  5. 04:06:142 (2) - NC?
  6. 04:57:404 (3) - dont think there should be a clap


[VINXIS' Extra]
  1. 00:57:254 (2,2,2,2) - snapped too early
  2. 01:03:742 (2) - how bout making this have a higher sv? to emphasize the pitch increase
  3. 01:16:042 (1,1,1,2,1,2) - these feel weird af to me now, but it might be b/c i'm too used to dotted snapping from the previous diffs
  4. 01:24:592 (1) - remove NC? leaving that one combo is odd
  5. 01:27:442 (1,2) - you could align these up a bit more
  6. 02:01:642 (1,1,1,1) - would be cool to see some sort of progression between these, since it feels plain right now
  7. 02:55:642 (1) - missing a whistle on the head
  8. 04:37:342 (1) - the top of the loop could be curved a bit more to make it better


[Rumi's Extra]
  1. you could rly clean up your slider blankets tbh. some glaring examples are 02:28:042 (1) - 04:03:442 (5) - 04:10:642 (2) -
  2. 00:49:642 - soft sampleset suits the peacefulness of this section better
  3. 01:19:642 (4) - 01:22:042 (5) - NC
  4. 01:32:842 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - what's with this random 1/2 circle pattern tbh. it doesn't follow anything important, and it creates a sudden shift from focus on guitar strums to vocals
  5. 01:46:042 (1,2,3) - think the distance should probably be more even, since having a smaller jump to a strong beat on 01:46:342 - is unstable
  6. 02:09:142 (1) - rmove NC? nothing rly important to leave it as 1 combo
  7. 02:34:342 (2,3) - 1/2 slider -> circle might work better here to emphasize the large sv slider coming up
  8. 04:20:692 (5) - yeah.. jumps, but it would be nice if you could leave some pause by deleting this to smoothly transition into the final section of the chorus


[Phomi's Insane]
  1. i rly think you should go with tick rate 1 on this, since the long sliders at the piano part have this awkward extra slider tick that kinda breaks the section
  2. 00:54:442 (1) - more slider aesthetic by making the lines parallel tbh
  3. 01:41:242 (1,2,3) - i like 3/4 sliders, but these don't really serve any purpose to accentuate anything in the music tbh, especially when theres a vocal beat at 01:41:692 -
  4. 01:57:742 - feels like this void was unintentional
  5. 02:30:442 (1,2,3,4,5) - maybe make these closer to help indicate when the stream should be hit
  6. 03:40:042 - i think this is my favorite 1/3 progression out of this set so far
  7. 04:32:842 (2) - NC?
  8. 04:54:443 (2) - the tail seems unsnapped


[Collab Light Insane]
  1. 00:49:642 - honestly, having this intro be consistent with the symmetry motif would make this difficulty feel more coherent. ik this goes against your mapping style here but its worth saying
  2. 01:37:042 (1,2,3,4) - silencing the tails would make a really cool effect lo
  3. 02:06:442 - this chorus is a lot easier than the sections before tbh
  4. 02:24:442 (5) - you could reverse this slider to keep a more steady beat
  5. 04:05:242 (1) - this overlap could be better tbh, skimming slider borders tilt me


[Liiraye's Hard]
  1. 00:59:092 (8,1) - the distance here is p questionable, especially when compared to 00:58:642 (7,8) - . ik you do this consistently throughout the map, but introducing it this dramatically is a bit jarring
  2. 01:47:242 - weird break delay thing here


[Umi's Normal]
  1. 02:11:242 (1) - i don't rly recommend breaking the 1/1 slider patterns here, to give the player more stability in reading the rhythms properly. but it adds more variety, so idk
  2. 02:59:242 (1) - the right side of the roof should be slightly larger tbh, or else it would cause structural imbalance and you'd have to pay more for contractors to inspect ur house and all that shit
  3. 03:30:442 (1) - why is this the only curved slider here, you should make it like the others


[Battle's Easy]
  1. 01:47:242 (1,2,3) - plz make this symmetrical
  2. 02:03:742 (4) - extending this by 1/2 would make the rhythm sound a bit better and sets up the main 1/1 rhythm


[NiNo's Easy]
  1. 01:08:242 (2) - i think this would be better as just a single circle, since the 1/2 slider makes that ugly overlap and its a rly short slider for an easy diff to begin with
  2. 03:40:042 (3) - how about make this a 2/1 slider or sth different? since this little part is drastically different from the rest of the song
  3. 03:41:842 (4,5) - same as the first suggestion, or even just deleting it tbh. battle's diff didn't include this anyway, so the diff progression is kinda off here


gucci
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omg 750 fav in pending :o
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M4M my map https://osu.ppy.sh/s/374820

[Hitsound]

03:39:442 (5) - missed hitsound i guess.

[Nino's Easy]

01:08:242 (2) - hm... highly recommend to simple just one circle plz. 1/4 tiny short slider give confuse feedback for beginner.
other 1/4 is same.

[Battle's Easy]

04:18:442 (4,1) - consider one slider on here.
because spinner length and recover time kinda short.

[Umi's Normal]

03:43:042 (2,3) - DS error

[Liiraye's Hard]

01:08:242 (7,1) - stack
01:28:042 (9) - nc better
03:34:642 (6) - consider to add circle here, feel like downbeat slider for now.
03:39:142 (5) - ^ similar issue with above
04:35:242 (6,1) - swap NC

[Collab Light Insane]

01:04:042 (6) - NC
01:11:467 (2,3,4,5) - improvable stream shape at (4,5)
02:15:592 (7) - hmm.. consider to fill up rhythm here? as stressed drum
03:42:442 - no kiai?

[Phomi's Insane]

01:36:742 (1) - this NC don't work special thing, i think
02:42:442 (1,2) - improvable blanket
04:32:842 (2) - NC?

[Rumi's Extra]

01:25:642 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - can u consistent DS on 01:26:842 (1,2) - vs 01:25:642 (1,2) -
etc.
01:37:042 (1) - triplet better imo, as did 02:05:242 (1,2,3) -
03:41:242 (3) - NC? kinda confuse rhythm for me

[VINXIS' Extra]

01:16:042 (1,1) - i'd lik2 make consistent rhythm usage with 02:13:642 (1,2,1,2) -
because they are best chpice i think.
01:25:642 (1) - ^
01:22:942 (2) - more upside, then they are placed on vertical line.
01:24:592 (1) - NC x
02:25:042 (1,2,3) - can u DS x1.00, because i prefer 04:01:042 (1,2,3) -about visual
03:41:842 (1,2,1,2) - wanna more DS here, because it's strongest beat from music

[Nathan's Extra]

01:46:342 (8,1) - how about increase DS here for emphasis
02:36:892 (6,7) - DS make bigger than 02:36:742 (5,6) -

[Kibb's Extra]

00:58:642 (3) - NC
01:46:642 (1,2,3,4) - pretty different partten with 01:37:042 (1,2,3,4) -
maybe first partten is based on emphasis beat.
then second partten follow this which we think better?
02:34:042 (1,2) - i know it's enough playable.
but i still think it's too huge DS with each other, if consider with others.
03:47:842 (8,1) - 03:55:042 (8,1) - 03:57:442 (8,1) - inconsistent NC usage with others..
..hmm if they have vaild reason, then it's okay. because i couldn't notice yet. im noob.

[Alone Together]

01:59:542 (2,3) - i concern DS about consistent as 01:57:142 (2,3) - 01:58:342 (2,3) -
btw, i guess 02:00:892 (2,3) - it's okay , because they have different rhythm usage
02:25:792 (2,3,4,5,6) - i'd like non-stack about 5 notes.
just personally player opinion about visual, because your map is so clean visual overall
02:41:542 (1) - remove NC? kinda unique NC cycle 02:41:242 (1,1) -
03:25:942 (2,3,4) - how about http://puu.sh/siYUt.jpg
because pretty strong beat at 03:26:242 (4) - .
but small DS 03:26:092 (3,4) - can't express enough strong beat maybe..?
03:29:992 (1) - remove nc? hmmm. put NC for readability now?
imo, i still think it's enough readable, if without NC here.

most popular mapset of 2016, i guess
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[Collab Light Insane]
  1. 04:05:242 (1) - this overlap could be better tbh, skimming slider borders tilt me It looks fine for me.
[Collab Light Insane]

03:42:442 - no kiai? Applied.
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I can fix yea. But yea, please don't reply to mods yet~ I still have some more rolling in. Once everything's up i'll get everyone to reply so its more organized.
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[Alone Together]
  1. 01:46:642 (1,2,3) - I kind of wanted this to be different from 01:45:592 (7,8,9) - and 01:44:992 (2,3,4) - because the sound is pretty strong and I don't feel like it fits as well? I'd do a 1/4 + note / spaced triplet but it's fine regardless.
  2. 02:35:542 (4,5,6) - This felt quite out of place because of the sudden increase in spacing. I'd much more prefer if it was decreased a little at least so it would feel overall a bit more connected with the rest of these kind of patterns.
  3. 03:32:842 - spacing from here to 03:40:042 - feels awfully large, and the music doesn't even get that much more intense or powerful compared to 03:23:242 - . I'd reduce the spacing overall in that section, but might just be me!
  4. 04:27:442 (5,1) - Stack is a bit off, really small thing.


[Kibbleru's Extra]
  1. May want to increase the HP from 0 :D
  2. 01:11:392 (2,4) - You could blanket that if you wanted to, make the curve on 4 less strong and you're good to go!
  3. 01:36:442 (1,2) - This extension felt really random to me, especially when there's a sound at 01:36:592 - to follow.
  4. 01:40:192 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - Even though all of these streams are supported by the music, I wouldn't necessarily use so many notes / use such big spacing because the section doesn't sound too intense, but that's really personal.
  5. 02:52:042 (1) - Love that slider really nice
  6. 03:40:229 (2,2,2) - These notes in particular felt somewhat inaudible. Consider increasing volume to like 15 or 20 for better feedback?


[Nathan's Extra]
  1. 02:13:642 (1) - I wish this kiai would've made the rhythm on these kind of patterns a tad different. It's fine regardless though.
  2. 04:20:392 - Feels better if you would have a note here and then the small break at 04:20:692 - , but I can see why you did this.
  3. 04:57:404 (3) - Is the clap intentional at the slider end?


[VINXIS' Extra]
  1. Redownloaded the set 3 times already and still asks for updates when I click on this diff, weird. Oh well, I assume it doesn't matter?
  2. Wouldn't use OD7 on an Extra, maybe 8?
  3. 01:13:792 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Curve is bad, doesn't blanket properly with the note. Try this? You'd need to make small adjustments only!
  4. 01:22:642 (1,2,1) - Very small thing but you could make this line straight and consistent with 01:13:042 (1,2,1) - .


[Rumi's Extra]
  1. 01:09:742 (4) - Could move this a bit to the up and right so it could blanket 01:08:842 (1) - 's head? Very small thing.
  2. 02:05:242 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Quite inaudible for me, could you increase the volume a little?
  3. 02:17:842 (6) - Could be curved more for the blanket effect, imo would look a lot more neater that way.
  4. 03:57:592 (4) - The clap on this slider sounds so wrong for whatever reason, doublecheck and see if that's intentional or not?


[Phomi's Insane]
  1. 01:13:642 (1,2,3) - Is there a specific reason this is different from 01:11:242 (1,2) - ? Hearing it myself, both of them have a note on the yellow tick so I don't see a reason to make them inconsistent? Would feel a lot nicer if you chose the same rhythm for both instances.
  2. 01:36:442 (1,1) - Spacing feels really random here, sudden increase. Doesn't feel too bad because they're sliders, but a small reduce of spacing could make it better imo.
  3. 01:57:742 - Same here, don't really understand why nothing is here when you have something on 01:58:942 - . If you'd put a 1/2 slider on 01:57:742 - , it'd support the vocals nicely!
  4. 02:23:242 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Spacing visually, at least, implies that it's 1/2. I guess it's not a huge deal because players can just retry and they know what's coming, but I still think increasing the spacing by a tad at least would be nice.


[Collab Light Insane]
  1. 01:12:292 (7,1) - Very small thing but stack is off just by a hair.
  2. 01:16:042 (1) - Are you sure about this? Feels really random to end this one specific slider on a 1/8th tick, and then use 1/4 01:16:642 (3) - for this one. Furthermore, it's different and inconsistent what you have at 01:25:642 (1,2,3) - .
  3. 03:59:092 (4,1) - 04:01:042 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - 04:13:492 (4,1) - 04:15:892 (4,1) - Personally, not a huge fan of these spacing increases. You used distance snap on almost everything else, and then these appear, so it's a bit off-putting. Not a huge deal though :<
  4. 04:05:692 (2,3,4,5) - Wasnt really a fan of how this pattern played. You could consider this as a replacement for it?


[Umi's Normal]
  1. 01:08:242 (4) - Only thing that bothered me in this difficulty was this. I know that you did this for the sake of consistency and it follows the background vocals and whatnot, but this is incredibly awkward to play because you skip the most important beat and it's at 01:08:392 - . Please consider shortening that slider.


[NiNo's Easy]
  1. 03:41:842 (4,5) - This is a big no-no. Your difficulty is fully 1/1, and this is just plain confusing to the newbie players, they don't really expect such rhythm here. It also feels rather inconsistent because you didn't use 1/2 sliders for spots like 02:05:842 - . I agree with Lami, make them notes instead?
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