lolcubes wrote:

[*]09:49:255 (7,8) - This is not properly stacked. This needs to get fixed because they look incredibly confusing when using the default skin (skin toggle).

256,4,589405,1,0

09:51:805 (1) - The path of the slider is actually going offscreen. You really need to change this somehow. Hardrock it and you will see that a good chunk of the slider track is offscreen, compared to nomod where nearly the whole slidertrack is behind the HPBar which is bad.

332,128,591205,1,0
256,40,591355,1,0
180,128,591505,1,4
388,20,591805,6,0,B|451:30|513:82|510:163|476:218,2,259.999995350838
256,108,592555,1,0
124,20,592705,2,0,B|60:30|-1:82|1:163|35:218,1,259.999995350838
132,288,593155,1,0

Derekku wrote:

Some BPMs *aren't* perfect numbers, though. It makes no sense to use a round value if you have to add extra uninherited sections to fix the offset from being completely off during a section.

Derekku wrote:

I disagree with this as well. Adding a new uninherited section per beat is very random and unpredictable. It makes more sense to approximate it as much as possible which is what I did in my timing as opposed to the original (which *did* use new red lines per beat).

Derekku wrote:

We *never* apply online offsets per-difficulty, and it's not even possible (unless peppy can do it). Either way, like I said in my mod post, the timing should be the same in all difficulties. Also, scores have already been deleted because timing isn't the only issue in this mapset.

some, yes. i sincerely doubt a professionally mastered song such as this has a bpm of 70.04. the BPM for this song -is- 70, there should be no doubt about that.

Lybydose wrote:

some, yes. i sincerely doubt a professionally mastered song such as this has a bpm of 70.04. the BPM for this song -is- 70, there should be no doubt about that.

tell that to Taylor Swift, aka #1 BPM troll

Lybydose wrote:

some, yes. i sincerely doubt a professionally mastered song such as this has a bpm of 70.04. the BPM for this song -is- 70, there should be no doubt about that.

tell that to Taylor Swift, aka #1 BPM troll

some, yes. i sincerely doubt a professionally mastered song such as this has a bpm of 70.04. the BPM for this song -is- 70, there should be no doubt about that.

Derekku wrote:

There's been too many complaints of timing issues and other problems
"with the video being black and white before, having the outer edge of the hitcircles black makes it impossible to see the approach circle hit the outer edge"
"and the beginning of the current song has hitbursts overlapping slidertrails"

Derekku wrote:

[General]
*First of all, since uninherited sections and kiai both affect the main menu, they should be consistent across all difficulties. Actually, extra ones to affect volume/SV/etc. won't hurt anything, so you could really just have ONE set of lines and have them in EVERY difficulty. Would makes things easier AND more consistent! Don't forget to resnap/move back green lines after timing changes (since if they're after notes they won't be correct) God, fixed.
*Also, please correctly capitalize each difficulty's name according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unforg ... ck_listing for proper grammar! Titles in here are capitalized wrong, I have the original booklet with the right capitalization.
*You could also fix the incorrect capitalization in the storyboard text! See above
*I'm not sure why there are 4 duplicate Armin files in the SB folder, but I'll check again once I nazi the SB on my full mod~The reason is fair, since this is a +50 minutes long marathon and I didn't want to keep a SB object active for above 5/10 minutes where it wasn't needed (for example just fading at 0 for 20 minutes). It's just to preserve a fair SB load value and to help things to not get bugged. Makin' 4 files (with different Fade, Scale, and move values too) helped to make things A LOT easier.
*Just make the preview point the same on every difficulty. Previews only change if you leave the Editor. I guess this isn't a bug (since mapsets are expected to use the same preview point one each diff), so yeah. I guess you just need to pick one good song and use that preview everywhere. :/ Honestly, I prefer this way. You can listen "a stairway to the skies" preview which I love when you select the map and you can listen the other previews also when you go back to the menu. It's not an issue I guess.

Armin wrote:

No, no, no. I still didn't upload it because I was expecting the "big mod" from you, and I wanted to avoid to full-submit everything a lot of times. By the way, it's kinda impossible to hope so nevermind. That's why you can't see the changes, I still have to upload them.
This is a complex marathon, every single thing I change in the single difficulties has to be mirrored in the marathon.

Armin wrote:

I bugged you two weeks ago just for this:

Derekku wrote:

There's been too many complaints of timing issues and other problems
"with the video being black and white before, having the outer edge of the hitcircles black makes it impossible to see the approach circle hit the outer edge"
"and the beginning of the current song has hitbursts overlapping slidertrails"

And for obvious reasons I cannot fix these "other problems" If none writes or deepens them.

Derekku wrote:

As for the full submissions: You've already done multiple when adding the videos and storyboard, so what will it hurt to do some more while BATs are trying to get this re-approved? If it's an issue of ISP bandwidth then let us know and we'll understand. :p

Derekku wrote:

I apologize for the misunderstandings. I've been wanting you to full submit so that I don't have to recheck the map 3+ times (especially with the timing changes). However, if you're not making any changes to diff names or SB items, then why can't you do a normal submission to update just the .osu files? That would be enough for me to be able to check the timings and such.

Derekku wrote:

[General]
*IMO the hitcircle overlay is fine as-is, but the one provided in this thread should make things even better!
*I assume you're waiting to make the timing in each diff the same once you fix the Marathon diff? Yup
*Many inherited sections are unsnapped, but it doesn't sound like any hitsounds were affected by it (since many are placed before notes [correct] as opposed to placing them on top of notes and then getting messed up by timing changes [incorrect]). You can use AIBat to check this but I think it's all fine. I will keep them in this way, since it's fine the way it is.

[Storyboard]
*The logo at the top right of Within-Temptation.jpg is really low quality and noticeably different from the red text you use in the storyboard. It shouldn't be hard to find a higher quality version (even if you have to edit the image yourself). Fiiiiiiixed
*Can't you just put the videos in the .osb to avoid having to have them in each .osu? I mean I guess it doesn't matter, and it probably improves performance for difficulties that shouldn't have video, so I guess it's fine the way it is! I prefered to put the code in the single .osu files because I didn't want to have the video in some single difficulties (for aesthetic reasons)

[Why Not Me]
Fine!

[Shot in the Dark]
*In addition to the timing from my last post (which also hasn't been changed yet), you can move the first uninherited section back two measures (34572) since that's where the music starts. Otherwise, the timing from the last song is used which isn't correct. (Done)
01:37:111 - I really don't understand why kiai starts here. Sure it's a build up to the chorus, but I feel like it makes the kiai at 01:37:960 much less powerful (plus two fountains in a row is a bit too much). I really suggest removing this first fountain. I feel it starts here, sorry. Hoping it isn't a big issue.
02:53:101 - same as above same as above.
03:35:686 (2) - I think you're using the wrong sampleset here on the uninherited section. Right, fixed.
04:09:648 (3,4,5) - inconsistent spacing; (4,5) currently looks like it's 1/4 or 1/6 apart when it's really 1/2 nghhhh fixed
04:11:912 - could possibly remove this kiai section (since there's already many choruses). I feel that a powerful kiai should start here, so no.
04:30:025 - I'm surprised that you didn't add a kiai section here. o-o well ironically it was because I didn't want to add so muck kiai and ironically I felt I could avoid here since there's a spinner that makes its great effect. Btw added.
05:24:082 (1) - perhaps make the end of this quieterHm, nah.

[In the Middle of the Night]
08:20:293 - I don't think that this extra kiai fountain is necessary; the other choruses don't have it in the middle...I felt to add it here because it's the second part of the second chorus, and in my opinion it gives a sprint to complete the hardest part of the marathon
09:40:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - A 17-note 200-bpm 1/4 stream? This a much more difficult than most other parts of the entire marathon... I know, but I still want to keep it. Seeing some players this is the hardest part of the marathon: 10:23:293 (8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5) - . If they cannot hit that stream then the majority of them won't have any change on this pattern
09:42:043 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this is also a bit too difficult (it's too spread out) After the stream this should be quite funny to play, I don't want to change it..
09:48:043 (4,5,6) - incorrect spacing which makes this section very confusing and disjoint from the other mappers For my test-players that played it they didn't found any problem by playing this pattern. This could be a little unexpected for you, but it is still readable.
10:05:893 - Expected the last kiai section to end here. Fixed
10:24:493 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Not as bad as the 17-note stream, but this one is more spread out and might even be more difficult. How about making these notes closer to each other? No, really. No. That's why that stream has THAT spacing.

[Faster]
*I really wish that the intro of this was mapped. It just feels so incomplete without it. ): Uhm, after the hardest song a little break it' welcome, this is why I didn't map it. But it's a great intro indeed.
12:00:736 - unnecessary kiai This flows well with the slider's shape at the chours. I REALLY like it.
12:12:236 (1,2) - can't tell which is the slider and which is the note; the sliderticks will really screw up some players. The easiest solution is to change (2) into the new combo. This can be easily readable, despite the hitcircle's position: http://puu.sh/QnT1 seriously, players that tested it just didn't find any problems with it. A new combo will just ruin the pattern.
12:24:736 - kiai should end here, not a tick later Okay
13:44:736 - unn. kiai same reasons of "in the middle of the night". It gives a consistent sprint to the map that I like
14:43:986 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - I really suggest spacing these closer This is voluntary, but I made them a bit closer.
14:44:861 (1) - this didn't fit imo; if you had mapped the outro, then sure; but I think that ending with the previous stream would be better.Honestly I don't agree with you, it's better in this way for me.

[Fire and Ice]
*Just like in "Shot in the Dark", move the first uninherited section back to where the music starts. In this case, 6 measures (912957). Alright, fixed
16:33:083 (1,3) - difficult to see which is the note and which is the slider. How about making 16:31:798 (6) a new combo along with 16:33:512 (3) like this: http://puu.sh/QiYj hm.. as I wrote for "Faster", it is still readable and it would be a pity to change the pattern when actually the majority of the players can read it.
*I actually expected some kiai in this song O: Perhaps add a section or two? Hmm I don't really like kiai in slow songs

[Iron]
20:40:009 (6,7,1) - didn't expect these 1/6 notes, and them being in the corner makes them a bit hard to see. I suggest replacing them with a 1/6 slider. Hmm the artificial stack should already gives a warn for this little triplette
22:50:009 (2,3,4) - I'd spread these out more; they looked like 1/6 notes compared to 1/3 ones like 22:51:222 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12). the rhythm in here should be intuitive since there's already a little sample of it before: 22:46:373 (1,2,3) - .
23:23:040 (1,2,3,7,8,9) - expected these 1/6 notes spaced closer together (the notes in each stream, that is) I present to you the same reason as above, there' s already a little preview of the rhythm that led players to hit the triplette as 1/6 (23:21:222 (1,2,3,4,5) - )
23:50:313 - kiai should start here (at the chorus), not measures before (at the buildup to the chorus). Oh gawd. No PLEASE.
24:04:858 - could add another fountain here since this last chorus is much more powerful than the previous ones hmm okay
24:30:312 (5) - I'd make this its own new combo to make it easier to read. The overlapping notes make it kinda hard to see otherwise. See "faster" 's issue. My answer is kinda similar
24:32:282 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - maybe move these down and right a little bit... otherwise the stacking nearly makes them overlap the previous slider sure thing
24:33:949 - kiai ending here fits better imo sure thing
24:34:100 (1) - perhaps make the ending quieter or do a decrescendo feels weird for me

[Where is the Edge]
*Move the timing section back two measures (1491562)
26:03:250 - unn. kiai fountain
27:05:198 (6) - stacking this with subsequent 1/4 notes is pretty confusing... please change the new combo so it's like this: 27:17:666 (5,1,2,3)
27:11:821 - unn. kiai fountain
27:24:289 - kiai should end here to be consistent with the first chorus
28:10:263 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - yeah this really doesn't flow well and is extremely unexpected; i suggest making them into 1/3 sliders
28:11:042 - expected kiai to start here
28:17:081 (3) - should be a new combo like the above
28:21:951 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - wowwwww this sounds horribly awkward going from random 1/4 to random 1/3. I'm not even sure what to suggest in its place but this definitely needs to be changed.
28:32:958 (1) - shorten by 1/4

[Sinéad]
*Oh my god the purple in this map looks AMAZING. It would be so powerful if you actually DID do colorhax in the marathon... it'd just take FOREVER and isn't really worth it hahaha..ha.. ):
*I expected a spinner for a couple measures in the outro, but otherwise this map is fine!

[Lost]
33:31:968 (3,5) - a bit ambiguous between which is the note and which is the slider you know what I think of this.
33:37:111 (2,4) - ^^
33:49:968 (3,5) - ^^
34:33:682 (2,3) - ^^
35:53:825 - kiai should end here, not on a random blue tick Right
36:24:468 (7) - extend 1/4; where you have it now ends on "wicKed", but the white tick would be "wickeD" like it should be.After a quick test I think you're right. Fixed
*The section after the break is a bit confusing... switching between 1/3 and 1/4 streams? It's really not obvious which is which :/ I just had to follow the rhythm.
37:49:539 - expected kiai to end here; or perhaps do a new fountain? Fixed
37:54:254 (2,3) - a bit ambiguous between which is the note and which is the slider You know.

[Murder]
39:54:962 - expected the kiai to end on a downbeat (like this) [you can manually move the break too for a nice effect: http://puu.sh/Qk94] Cool
41:13:768 - ^ [the break looks like it's been manually moved but it's 1/4 off: http://puu.sh/Qk9q]Fixed
41:28:096 - this kiai fountain feels unnecessary Hmmm
41:42:424 - ^
42:36:156 - end kiai on the downbeat here, not on a random blue tickFixed

[A Demon's Fate]
44:03:985 - expected the kiai to start here, not halfway through the chorus ): Added
44:14:508 (1) - not sure why this is a new combo by itselfFixed
44:32:642 - end kiai hereDone
44:46:971 - expected a note here and on the previous red tickhmm I don't feel to add other notes here. Also, it's cool the pre-break time too.
47:35:329 - kiai should end here, not on a blue tick Fixed
47:49:657 - ^ Fixed
47:57:493 (4,5) - even though the pattern is obvious from the previous measures, these are hard to distinguish from 1/4 notes and are just asking for a combobreak ):Believe me this is an easier version of a previous pattern that asked for a sure combobreak. I'll leave as it is now, since I'm kinda sad too.
47:58:389 (4,5) - ^

[Stairway to the Skies]
*Where's the kiai in the choruses? D: I don't want to put them for slow songss ;w; just at the end where it was REALLY needed
51:22:511 (2) - please raise the volume so that the ticks are audible; 5% is too low for something like thisraised up to 10%; the main reason why I keep a low volume is because the slidertick is audible and it gives a BAD effect.
52:35:844 (5,6) - can't tell which is the slider and which is the note This time it's REALLY readable.
52:38:807 (5,6) - ^
52:50:659 (5,6) - ^
52:57:325 (4) - where's the finish?Damn I forgot to add hitsounds to this part. Thanks for noticing it

09:40:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - A 17-note 200-bpm 1/4 stream? This a much more difficult than most other parts of the entire marathon... I know, but I still want to keep it.

Arnold0 wrote:

09:40:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - A 17-note 200-bpm 1/4 stream? This a much more difficult than most other parts of the entire marathon... I know, but I still want to keep it.

And 90+% players will have to use no fail for pass ...

Why all for approval mapper have to put impossible things in there maps *.*

Derekku wrote:

[Where is the Edge]
*Move the timing section back two measures (1491562) Alright.
26:03:250 - unn. kiai fountain Okay, I removed it.
27:05:198 (6) - stacking this with subsequent 1/4 notes is pretty confusing... please change the new combo so it's like this: 27:17:666 (5,1,2,3) Okay.
27:11:821 - unn. kiai fountain Okay.
27:24:289 - kiai should end here to be consistent with the first chorus Alright.
28:10:263 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - yeah this really doesn't flow well and is extremely unexpected; i suggest making them into 1/3 sliders I did try out what you've suggested, but I wasn't satisfied. I'll just bring the spacing on those notes closer then.
28:11:042 - expected kiai to start here Yes, you are right. I don't know why this was removed previously but I adding it back in.
28:17:081 (3) - should be a new combo like the above I'll just add a new combo on this note which is on 28:16:886.
28:21:951 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - wowwwww this sounds horribly awkward going from random 1/4 to random 1/3. I'm not even sure what to suggest in its place but this definitely needs to be changed. This mapping pattern does not sound random; it follows the song. You can remove the objects to hear them in fact. So, I'll leave this as it is.
28:32:958 (1) - shorten by 1/4 Alright.

Berncastell wrote:

sad

Arnold0 wrote:

Please , NOOOOO don't change images filenames don't want to download a 100 MEGABYTE! map after all updates (After update no more BG in game)

EDIT : After checking: Why makes guys redowload the full 100 MB map just for change BG from .jpg to .png ? O_O I'll open and save the BG to .png personnaly, don't have 3G bandwith to loose xD

Soul_Of_Heart wrote:

this is such an amazing beatmap *Q* i love it ♥

Roxas wrote:

Oddio nella marathon potrebbe andar benissimo anche OD6... Tanto chi te la fa SS? xD

Armin wrote:

are you sure you downloaded it properly? try to delete the mapset and to redownload all. or you can replace the bg manually: http://uptiki.altervista.org/viewer.php ... 1n6ntb.png