1. Hopeful Dreaming (4.04 stars, 836 notes)

Last Sliderart Trivia

CrestRising wrote:

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Insane

00:14:977 (4,5) An anti-jump here doesn't make sense here since nothing in the music supports it and just feels randomly placed. Same with 00:15:446 (6,7)
00:44:977 (3) The slider ending on a piano note seems out-of-place when each slider up to that point starting on a piano hit and ending on its release. Maybe shorten it to 00:45:680 and add a circle/slider at 00:45:915 to emphasize the piano note there.
01:07:477 (2) Maybe shorten it to 01:07:946 and add a circle at 01:08:180 for the same reasons as ^ (emphasizing the piano hits in the music)
01:20:016 (5,6) I think it would follow the backing synth better if you did Reverse Selection (Ctr+G) here. You would probably need to respace the notes though.
01:43:336 (6,7) These look too close together compared with the rest of the section. You should probably space them out a bit more. I remade it but idk if i made it better or worse. it is still doable by alternating but this map was made with that intention anyway or at least with semi-alternating but this here is maybe a bit of a difficulty spike. At least i think ppl will get surprised by it and maybe miss. If this gets too much hate I'm gonna need suggestions on how to fix it :S
02:05:954 You should probably add a circle here, since you seem to be following the main synth and there's a synth hit here.
02:09:118 (4) Maybe increase slider velocity here to 2.00x since that's what you seem to be doing for exagerrated sound like these.
02:14:040 (1,2) The sudden decrease in slider velocity here doesn't make sense to me and feels a little odd to play, so you should maybe stick with 1.30x here.
02:15:329 (3,4) The jump here feels too large considering its only a quarter-beat apart
02:16:149 (6) The slider here ends on a weird beat imo. I think it would sound better if it was shortened to 02:16:383 so it would end on a more noticable beat (the drum kick)
02:18:727 (4,5) The jump here feels a bit large, especially considering the jump at 02:19:196 (6,1) is about the same length and it's twice the distance apart in the timeline Fixed? i had a bit of trouble understanding on what you meant here but i think it's okay now
02:22:946 (5,6,1) I think it would make sense if there was a jump between 6 and 1 instead of 5 and 6 since 1 is the start of a new measure and is a notably different sound than 5 and 6.
02:50:133 (2) I feel like this should be two seperate circle since in the music it sounds like there's two seperate notes rather than one long, held note.
02:51:071 (4,5) Imo, there's not anything in the music that would indicate a large jump here since its just another synth hit like 3 and 4.
03:02:086 (4,5) ^
03:07:946 (1,2,3,4,5) I feel these sliders ending on a blue tick sounds kind of off since it doesn't end on any particular beat of the music. I think it would sound better if they were shortened to the red tick or if the slider ends were silenced. Silenced them (at least I've changed them to 5% because that seems to be the lowest it can go). I didn't want to make them shorter.
03:14:977 (4) It would be better if you ended the slider at 03:15:211 and added a circle at 03:15:446 since you would be clicking all of the chimes
03:32:790 to 03:59:040 I think the jump in slider velocity is too much. I know the song picks up pace here, but personally I don't feel like this section needs that much emphasis. Since you've used 2.0x velocity sliders to emphasize certain sounds earlier in the song, here it just sounds like you're trying to emphasize every sound which is a bit much in my opinion. This part here is like complitely different from the other parts of the song, it is pretty intense all the way, stays at the same intensity just with little stops where i used circles and i think this is fine as it is. i didn't mean to emphasize them, this part was just meant to be fast and intense and this is how i thought it would be the best. By making them slower, they would actually be ugly since the sliders would look much shorter and they are allready short enough since I forgot to change the slider velocity...
03:59:040 The decrease in velocity here is too drastic. I think you should just stick to a velocity of 1.00x for this section. I changed it but not 1.00x since when i did it the sliders lenght was the same as the previous intense sections sliders and the slow wouldn't be noticed so i only increased it from 0.50x to 0.80x but it still should be better.
04:16:149 (6) I think this should be shortened to 04:16:383 for the same reasons as 02:16:149 (6)
04:22:946 (5,6,1) same reasons as 02:22:946 (5,6,1)
04:29:040 (1) I don't think a circle is supposed to same the same starting point as a spinner, so maybe move the spinner to start a quarter beat later or remove the circle. My god... this was not intentional, just a rookie mistake that was too painful to even see, arghhh....
04:38:883 (2,3) These being stacked seems a little out of place. I suggest you space them out.
04:55:290 (1) This spinner seems weirdly placed and goes on for a little to long. I think it would be better if you continued mapping and placed it at 04:59:040 or 05:00:915 since that's when the escalating volume of the synth is really noticable.

In general, I think some of the slider velocity changes are out of place or too long/short, though I like them the best when you use it to punctuate sounds like in 02:16:618 (7,8) or 02:25:993 (4). Also, I know the grey colors are supposed to signify a change in pace, but honestly they stand out too much and look kind of ugly. The non-grey colors seem randomly picked and don't mesh too well either imo so you should probably focus on creating a better color pallete. If you need help hitsounding, there are tutorials on Youtube by osu!academy and pishifat that explain hitsounds more extensively than I could in this mod. Overall though, I think the map is pretty intriguing and has some neat ideas in it. About the combo colours. I took out the grey ones and lightened up the rest but the colors were actually not randomly picked. if you look at the BG they all can be found there except the grey ones but they are no more so whatever.

Crowie wrote:

hi from #modreqs

[Rhythm, Flow and Structure]
the beginning feels really awkward to play and all clustered around one spot :/

00:05:602 (3) - separate into 2 sliders
00:07:243 (3) - this jump is too much for what's happening so far, move it to the top of the slider

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00:08:884 (2) - ctrl + g and move slightly down
00:10:290 (1) - ^
00:11:227 (4) - ctrl + h and move it so the sliderend is on 00:10:055 (6) -
00:17:790 - I don't think you should ignore the guitar from here, since it's the main melody and stands out the most. At least add notes to where there is guitar like 00:19:665 - 00:23:415 - 00:27:165 - so on Adding these would make it awkward to play since the player would have to change to another rhythm for a tiny amount of time only which will throw off the player potentially making them get 100s
01:00:915 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - jumps are too big to fit the music
01:20:602 - missing note
01:40:290 (1) - curve the other way so it blankets 01:39:821 (5) - (both plays and looks better)

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01:43:336 (1,2,1,2) - see screenshot, it works better, trust me

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01:45:915 (4) - move slightly to the right
01:46:618 (3) - a little too far, maybe move it right between 01:46:149 (1,2) - For me personally leaving it like it is now feels more comfortable and i expect the circle at the same distance as i jumped just before it. Shortening the jump would be unnecessary and would look ugly between those sliders imo
01:50:368 (4) - move to the left, in front or stacking on 01:50:602 (5) - I don't think decreasing the distance would be a good idea when the song actually suggests a quick jump here. I made it the same distance ( http://puu.sh/rTUdZ/34d0cfb50c.jpg ) and angle as 01:49:665 (1,2) - http://puu.sh/rTUdo/8af3870704.jpg (slider tail )
01:57:165 (1,3) - the jump is slightly too big, move to the right some
02:04:079 (5,6) - move slightly downwards
02:05:602 (4,5,6) - this is really easy to miss, maybe make them equidistant
02:09:118 (4) - curve downwards

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02:10:993 (3) - see screenshot (flows better)

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02:12:165 (4,5) - maybe do it like this?

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02:19:196 (6,1) - the distance between these should be greater imo
02:19:899 (2,3,4) - bad flow, maybe do it something like this I did it different but feels good for me

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02:22:243 (3) - move to the bottom of the sliders

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02:23:883 (2) - move to the bottom of 02:24:118 (3) - I had trouble understanding this...but if you mean like this http://puu.sh/rTUHB/69b6bbd9ea.jpg instead of this http://puu.sh/rTUIm/b335e9cbde.jpg how it is than no. Not good imo

[(some nazi) Aesthetics]

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why is the stack leniency so high??? Idk, lowered it tho so i hope it's better i guess
also so many bad overlaps, turn off hit animations and take a closer look

00:03:727 (3) - make the same angle as 00:03:258 (2) -
00:08:649 (1,3) - somehow stack them please
00:12:399 (1,2) - make angle between this and 00:13:336 (3,4) - the same http://puu.sh/rT983/beb3190c14.png
00:16:149 (1,2) - stack them
00:20:133 (2) - blanket 00:19:196 (5) -
00:27:868 (2) - move it on top of 00:28:571 (4) - sliderend
00:21:540 (1,3) - make it so 00:22:477 (3) - doesn't overlap sliderbody of 00:21:540 (1) -
00:32:790 (1) - ﾜ? xd ??
00:47:790 (1) - make better swirl
00:48:727 (2) - make it so the head doesn't over slider body of 00:47:790 (1) - http://puu.sh/rTaCW/593470a35d.png
01:03:727 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - make each of the slider heads stack on the ends
01:10:290 (1) - ..??
01:16:852 (5,6) - move both so that the heads of 01:16:852 (5) - and 01:15:915 (3) - are on top of each other
01:21:422 (4,5) - unstack from the end of 01:21:540 (5) - http://puu.sh/rTbdE/96ec068654.png
01:25:641 (5,7) - stack head and end better
01:35:133 (3) - put in the middle of 01:33:727 (4) -
01:36:305 (7) - stack head on the end of 01:36:540 (1) - better
01:38:883 (2) - move slightly to the right
01:39:118 (3,4) - blanket slightly off http://puu.sh/rTc1k/abd75675ac.png I didn't see anything wrong after switching 3 http://puu.sh/rTQPr/c224e7d07b.jpg
01:39:821 (5) - move so the end stacks the head of 01:38:649 (1) - and curve it slightly http://puu.sh/rTcmV/ac264dff6d.png
01:42:165 (1) - mover slightly apart from the head of 01:41:227 (4) -
01:42:868 (4) - stack onto the end of 01:41:227 (4) -
01:42:399 (2,1) - stack onto the head of 01:44:040 (3) -
01:47:790 (1) - rotate -3 degrees
01:53:649 (1,2,3,4) - make everything fit neatly http://puu.sh/rTdYh/4880facdf1.png
01:54:821 (5) - curve http://puu.sh/rTe9N/0aaebbfed1.png
01:58:805 (2) - rotate so the end stacks onto the head of 01:58:102 (5) -
02:01:149 (1,1) - move slightly to the left

[NC's (do this last)]
01:19:196 (1) - remove
01:19:430 (2) -
01:20:719 (1) - remove
01:21:540 (5) -
01:24:821 (1) - remove
01:25:055 (2) -
01:26:696 (1) - remove
01:26:930 (2) -
01:43:571 (1) - remove
01:44:040 (3) -
01:44:977 (1) - remove
01:46:852 (4) -
02:12:868 (6) -
02:15:915 (5) -
02:19:430 (1) - remove
02:19:899 (2) -
02:26:461 (5) -

it's so long, so I'll just mod up to here, maybe i'll continue another day. Sorry if anything's unclear, i'm bad at explaining things. PM me if u have any questions.
tbh it's a really fun map gl with it

Invertable wrote:

Hi

talkerino

2016-11-07 15:54 Invertable: first thing i can say
2016-11-07 15:54 Invertable: try to make some blankets with this sliders
2016-11-07 15:54 Invertable: 00:32:790 (1,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1) - *sigh* I tried. I really did but anything i tried was not satisfactory so i left them as they were except 00:44:977 (3) - i changed it's position :/
2016-11-07 15:58 Invertable: 01:59:977 (4,5,6) - this makes no sence btw Like i said ingame, I'll change them if more ppl bug me about it, until then they stay like that
2016-11-07 15:58 Merhur: the way it is shaped?
2016-11-07 15:58 Invertable: it should be mapped difrently
2016-11-07 15:59 Invertable: put new combo on this one 02:00:329 (5) -
2016-11-07 15:59 Invertable: the the music completly changes on that part
2016-11-07 16:00 Invertable: plus try to change slider velocity or DS
2016-11-07 16:02 Invertable: 02:15:915 (5,6) - ds should be the same as in this 202:15:446 (4,5) -
2016-11-07 16:03 Invertable: 02:52:008 (1,2) - they can t be on the same place
2016-11-07 16:03 Invertable: not the same melody
2016-11-07 16:04 Invertable: 03:06:540 (1) - maybe point it in direction of this one 03:07:008 (2) - nah, i wanted it to point at 03:05:602 (1) - and also point at the same direction as 03:07:477 (4) - for aesthetic reasons
2016-11-07 16:06 Invertable: 03:34:430 (8) - put the end of the slider on 03:33:493 (4) - and make a blanket with 03:34:196 (7) -
2016-11-07 16:07 Invertable: 04:04:079 (5,6) - ctrl+g ?
2016-11-07 16:08 Invertable: 04:40:290 (1,2) - make a blanket
2016-11-07 16:09 Invertable: that is all the help i can give
2016-11-07 16:10 Merhur: oh thank you very much!
2016-11-07 16:10 Merhur: although i don't really understand one part
2016-11-07 16:10 Invertable: which one
2016-11-07 16:10 Merhur: 01:59:977 (4,5,6) - this one. it follows the rhythm so idk why doesn't it makes sense to you
2016-11-07 16:11 Merhur: i mean i see that white tick on 5 that is not emphasized but otherwise it seems pretty good to me
2016-11-07 16:12 Invertable: couse on this one 01:59:977 (4) - you mapped the base and on the 02:00:329 (5) - you mapped smth else idk what is that put new combo on 02:00:329 (5)

small mod but might be usefull
GL with your map !

Shortthu wrote:

(BG request)
This looks fine.

And it looks fine, actually

GenesisR wrote:

Hello, interesting song. I have some simple tips for your map.

SPOILER

General: I think in the beginning of the kiai part, it would be better to spread the notes and do not let them to overlap again and again. But i made that kiai time with this very intention because i like how it looks and plays and i think i'm not alone on this because my previos mods all said that it was fun to play.
00:27:399 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - What about consider increase the volume gradully here?
01:18:727 (4,5,6) - The ryhthm seems strange, what about try a 3/4 beat slider? If you listen carefully and preferably with the music slowed down, you can hear a sound on the blue tick.
01:20:016 (4,5) - This pattern did not indicate the 1/4 beat of (4) clearer, recommand to change.
01:20:602 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - What about take a more frequent flow to make it look nicer. For me this looks pretty nice already and the flow doesn't have to be consistent all the time. Breaking flow once in a while just makes it more interesting to play, less boring and potentially more fun.
01:21:540 (1,2,3,4) - This ryhthm sounds weird, what about put note onto all exsiting sound and make 01:22:477 a head of slider? Yeah I was thinking that this should be changed eventually too so I reworked it now
01:36:071 (3,4) - Too far away.
02:04:079 (5,6) - Recommand to put closer to (4).
03:25:290 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - There exist 1/4 beats inside, recommand to follow. That would completely destroy the porpuse of this squire pattern and i made this with the purpose to emphasize the buildup of the song. I also wanted to change the mapping of this 2nd buildup to be a bit different than the first one since it is different in the song too.
03:55:758 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think it would be better to follow previous flow and do not overlap. This is just a reappearance of a familiar pattern from the 1st kiai ( ex.: 01:33:258 (2,3) - ) btw i like this pattern.
03:57:868 (3) - Miss the sound here. Don't know what you mean here, It follows the same thing like all previous points in the song and mapping. I'm guessing you meant 03:59:040 (1) - but that is fixed now i hope.
04:14:743 (2) - Recommand for a larger distance.

_orange wrote:

NM from q

[Hopeful Dreaming]

01:18:727 (4,5) - you should make the DS here the same as 01:18:141 (2,3) - I don't think so. If you turn down the effect volume and slow donw the music you can hear the difference.

01:20:016 (4,5) - make DS the same, basically this whole part has weird DS for 1/4 notes, reason? Same here. Just listen closely to the sounds in the song slowed down without the hitsounds and will know what i mean.

01:35:602 (2) - maybe NC because there's a pretty big SV change Yeah, I didn't notice that I left this out, fixed

01:37:477 (4,1) - switch the NC? Nah. That NC is like this on purpose. On slider 1 mapped a different thythm and the NC emphasizes that. If you take a look, it is the same on every patterns like that too.

02:48:258 (2,3) - I think you could make these into single circles Okay

03:21:540 (5) - NC? Yeah

03:17:790 (1) - at this part again, I don't see a pattern for the different spacing of the stacks Again. Listen to the song carefully, slowed and without effect sounds and you can hear that this buildup is different than the first one.



sorry for lazy mod, really cool map tho Don't worry, every mod counts, even if it's not long! Thank you!
gl!

Mahm0ud wrote:

Here from your mod req

00:14:050 (4) - I'd say make this slider more visible byt moving it a little bit to the right or down, it's hard to read it It should be readable since it is a new combo with a bright green colour next to a purple but okay, it should be better now
01:29:050 (4) - I suggest you yo add the 3rd note on the (2)(3) stream and move the spin one step forward (in 1/4) so it will be: (1) then (2)(3)(4) <--- stream then spin Okay

Really cool map, I'd apreciate if you could m4m https://osu.ppy.sh/s/431054 or https://osu.ppy.sh/s/533613 one diff is more than okay since my mod is not that huge xD Good luck ! ;D Thank you, but unfortunately I'm not doing M4Ms... I'm sorry if the purpose of your mod was exclusively for a M4M, I will be more clear about it in the future. If i would have asked for M4M than I would have asked in chat something like "NM/M4M request" instead of just "Mod request". Again sorry but I can't satisfy your M4M request :/ Thank you for your mod and opinion though ^_^

Merhur wrote:

Mahm0ud wrote:

Here from your mod req

00:14:050 (4) - I'd say make this slider more visible byt moving it a little bit to the right or down, it's hard to read it It should be readable since it is a new combo with a bright green colour next to a purple but okay, it should be better now
01:29:050 (4) - I suggest you yo add the 3rd note on the (2)(3) stream and move the spin one step forward (in 1/4) so it will be: (1) then (2)(3)(4) <--- stream then spin Okay

Really cool map, I'd apreciate if you could m4m https://osu.ppy.sh/s/431054 or https://osu.ppy.sh/s/533613 one diff is more than okay since my mod is not that huge xD Good luck ! ;D Thank you, but unfortunately I'm not doing M4Ms... I'm sorry if the purpose of your mod was exclusively for a M4M, I will be more clear about it in the future. If i would have asked for M4M than I would have asked in chat something like "NM/M4M request" instead of just "Mod request". Again sorry but I can't satisfy your M4M request :/ Thank you for your mod and opinion though ^_^

1. 00:02:800 - Your Samples of red and green timing points are different which is pretty unrankable so better make them same
2. 00:29:518 (1) - U may remove nc here or add and nc to 00:30:456 (3) - For nicer structure and consistency
3. 00:34:675 (1) - Not even symmetrical on both ends lo
4. 01:02:800 (1,2) - Nice blanket!
5. 01:21:432 (5,1) - this might be intentional but u must change it.. Like , The spacing "Visually" is even great than some of ur 1/2 patterns around that section such as 01:18:268 (3,4) - and because of that it can be misread pretty easily
6. 01:35:378 (1) - you might have NC'd it cuz of the SV change but the previous combo which starts from 01:34:675 - has no slider at all so that nc is useless
7. 01:36:315 (3,1) - spacing here is huge aswell , that stack makes the visuals look nice but the spacing is too much , there is literally 1/8 gap between these two and ur spacing is about 4.5x which is just bad
8. 01:37:487 (4,1) - For these , The Nc is supposed to be on 4 and not on 1 . That would make 200 times more sense since the downbeat is there and theres an nc for 01:36:550 (1) - as its the first note of that pattern so there is a real need for u to swap nc for 01:37:487 (4,1) -
9. 01:41:237 (1,2) - Try to do something different like 01:33:737 (1,3) - i mean . The overlap b/w 01:41:237 (1,2) - is pretty awkward and looks bad . Either overlap them more or just avoid that overlap
10. 01:43:464 (2,1) - same thing , Try to avoid them overlap with 01:42:878 (4) - for neatness
11. 01:43:581 - The song is much calmer here and u increased the volume instead ? wth
12. 01:44:987 (3,1) - 01:52:487 (4,1) - Same NC this as before And same for the rest of these in the map
13. 01:46:628 (3) - Should be a kick slider instead to represent that continuous sound
14. 01:57:878 (1,1) - Fix stack
15. 02:02:331 (3,1) - Avoid overlap !1!11!
16. 02:05:612 (1,1) - According to RC the the repeat arrow of every slider is supposed to be fully visible and in this case the repeat of 02:06:081 (1) - is totally hidden under 02:05:612 (1) - which is unrankable
17. 02:11:706 (3,1) - fix stack
18. 02:21:315 (6,1) - Same 1/8 spacing thing as before and this one is even more fuked up
19. 02:26:471 (1,2) - fix stack pls plspl plsplsp pls
20. 02:27:175 (3,1) - Here u have 1 stacked under 3 which is bad since the sound at 1 is much more emphasized in the song and stacking it in the map gives it no spacing emphasis
21. 02:43:112 - You should use a different hitsound for those snares in the song since u r already using whistles for melody and using the same hs for snare gives it no emphasis
22. 02:47:800 (1) - Also you could use finish here for that cymbal sound
23. 03:08:425 (2,4) - Why are all ur stacked fked up
24. 03:14:518 (2,3) - 03:15:456 (5,6) - pretty much u used the same spacing between 1/1 and 1/2 which is kinda soso
25. 03:52:956 (7,8,9) - This flow plays rather awkwardly , probably should try something else hre
26. 04:21:315 (7,1) - same as before
27. 04:21:315 (7,1,2) - Also this flow is pretty , NOT , so good since the movement b/w these is fully linear which plays quite awkwardly
28. 04:26:471 (5,6) - Stakcj

DeRandom Otaku wrote:

Hai ~ Saw this on modreq so here i am
[Hopeful Dreaming]

1. 00:02:800 - Your Samples of red and green timing points are different which is pretty unrankable so better make them same Fixed
2. 00:29:518 (1) - U may remove nc here or add and nc to 00:30:456 (3) - For nicer structure and consistency This must have happened when i remapped this section earlier. Fixed
3. 00:34:675 (1) - Not even symmetrical on both ends lo Should be good now...
4. 01:02:800 (1,2) - Nice blanket! Fixed
5. 01:21:432 (5,1) - this might be intentional but u must change it.. Like , The spacing "Visually" is even great than some of ur 1/2 patterns around that section such as 01:18:268 (3,4) - and because of that it can be misread pretty easily Restructured
6. 01:35:378 (1) - you might have NC'd it cuz of the SV change but the previous combo which starts from 01:34:675 - has no slider at all so that nc is useless Okay
7. 01:36:315 (3,1) - spacing here is huge aswell , that stack makes the visuals look nice but the spacing is too much , there is literally 1/8 gap between these two and ur spacing is about 4.5x which is just bad Should be better now, i hope
8. 01:37:487 (4,1) - For these , The Nc is supposed to be on 4 and not on 1 . That would make 200 times more sense since the downbeat is there and theres an nc for 01:36:550 (1) - as its the first note of that pattern so there is a real need for u to swap nc for 01:37:487 (4,1) - I know what you mean BUT there is a white tick 01:37:839 (1) - which i ignored intentionally because i mapped a different rhythm in this part to get this (awesome) shape and that NC just warnes you that something is different here. I know this is prolly controversial but meh. If more ppl say the same as you here than yeah, I'll change it.
9. 01:41:237 (1,2) - Try to do something different like 01:33:737 (1,3) - i mean . The overlap b/w 01:41:237 (1,2) - is pretty awkward and looks bad . Either overlap them more or just avoid that overlap Should be better now
   
10. 01:43:464 (2,1) - same thing , Try to avoid them overlap with 01:42:878 (4) - for neatness Fixed
11. 01:43:581 - The song is much calmer here and u increased the volume instead ? wth I lowered the volume and changed to increasing as time goes on since that is what the song suggests imo
12. 01:44:987 (3,1) - 01:52:487 (4,1) - Same NC this as before And same for the rest of these in the map
13. 01:46:628 (3) - Should be a kick slider instead to represent that continuous sound If i do that, than it would just blend in with the other sliders and loose it's uniqueness. it is emphasized in this way at least.
14. 01:57:878 (1,1) - Fix stack Should be okay
15. 02:02:331 (3,1) - Avoid overlap !1!11! Should MUCH better now. I changed the angle of 02:02:331 (3,4) - by 25 clockwise and it turned out better than I expected
16. 02:05:612 (1,1) - According to RC the the repeat arrow of every slider is supposed to be fully visible and in this case the repeat of 02:06:081 (1) - is totally hidden under 02:05:612 (1) - which is unrankable Fixed
    
17. 02:11:706 (3,1) - fix stack ^
18. 02:21:315 (6,1) - Same 1/8 spacing thing as before and this one is even more fuked up ^
19. 02:26:471 (1,2) - fix stack pls plspl plsplsp pls These issues must have happened because i turned on and off Stacking a few times. Fixed
20. 02:27:175 (3,1) - Here u have 1 stacked under 3 which is bad since the sound at 1 is much more emphasized in the song and stacking it in the map gives it no spacing emphasis Should be good now
21. 02:43:112 - You should use a different hitsound for those snares in the song since u r already using whistles for melody and using the same hs for snare gives it no emphasis Okay, got another one
    
22. 02:47:800 (1) - Also you could use finish here for that cymbal sound Okay
23. 03:08:425 (2,4) - Why are all ur stacked fked up
24. 03:14:518 (2,3) - 03:15:456 (5,6) - pretty much u used the same spacing between 1/1 and 1/2 which is kinda soso Increased it now
25. 03:52:956 (7,8,9) - This flow plays rather awkwardly , probably should try something else hre Restructured
26. 04:21:315 (7,1) - same as before Fixed
27. 04:21:315 (7,1,2) - Also this flow is pretty , NOT , so good since the movement b/w these is fully linear which plays quite awkwardly I think i fixed it by ^ this
28. 04:26:471 (5,6) - Stakcj Fixed

gl

1. 00:06:550 (1,2,3) - You can tell these three aren’t perfectly straight because of the follow lines
2. 00:16:159 (1) - Not stacked like the previous combos, too high
   00:23:659 (1) - ^
   00:17:331 (4) - Might be too far of a jump compared to other parts - Optional
3. 00:23:893 (2) - Option to blanket around (4)
4. 00:32:800 (1) - Just some general stuff on fancy sliders. Generally you would want to try to blanket these fancy sliders with each other a little more, they’re good on their own, but don’t mix together. If you look at the openings of Kroytz’s maps with slow starts, such as this or that, you’ll see what I mean. The slider arts all blanket each other and you can even predict where the next slider head will be just by looking at the one you’re clicking.
5. 01:00:925 (1) - Consider re-mapping the flow a little, I think it might just play better with simplified flow of up/down, rather than triangles. Here's a very randomly placed version that could work, polish it.
   
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   code for it

   428,220,60925,5,2,0:0:0:0:
   376,80,61159,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   280,320,61393,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   332,180,61628,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   429,307,61862,5,2,0:0:0:0:
   332,128,62096,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   320,352,62331,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   228,160,62565,1,2,0:0:0:0:

6. 01:12:175 (4,6) - Jumps are far for a very calm part of the song
7. 01:27:526 (4,5) - Imo I don't think the same pattern should have different spacing for triples like this, very easy to mistime. You could use a different note pattern to fix this, maybe small kick sliders, or just do what you did previously. there are many options so it's not that limited.
8. 01:36:901 (2) - Can't read that, move elsewhere
9. 01:42:643 (3) - Make this a triangle with 01:42:175 (1,2) - , because that's where my cursor goes every time. That or change it so it doesn't look like a triangle.
10. 01:43:346 (1,2,1,2) - Very difficult to read this spacing
11. 02:11:003 (1) - Too far with that anti-flow
12. 02:54:831 (5) - Too far, use consistent spacing for parts with ambiguous rhythm
    03:01:862 (3,4,5) - ^
13. 03:21:432 (4) - Circle isn't readable in that blind spot
14. 03:30:925 (1,2,3) - Move way closer, emphasise the small parts with small spacing so that the larger ones contrast better
15. 03:34:675 (9) - This kind of pattern is really hard to read the spacing on. I would suggest you just use distance spacing instead of stacking in order to make it more readable
    not going to mod the kiai because I'm not used to it at all
    04:32:800 (1) - For everything in the last 30 seconds, it needs a much smaller distance snap. There's no need to make this section hard, so don't. The tone is much quieter, so match the music.

P i n wrote:

Note: You may struggle to get this map as it is with just the one difficulty, I would advise trying to get someone to do a guest difficulty for it. Cute map though, and cute background.
5 minute songs are fine with just one diff. Having more diffs only makes it harder to qualify, and it would take hundreds of combined man hours to both map and mod an extra diff.

P i n wrote:

Here's the mod you requests! Sorry for the wait D:

Hopeful Dreaming

1. 03:37:487 - I suggest moving (5), (6), (7), (8) & (9) closer together, reducing the chances of slider breaks, This is actually not just a design choice but if you listen to the song carefully you can hear that the song has a buildup even if it sounds like it's just literally the same over and over the first time you listen to it but other sounds in the background helps you to understand what i mean, so naturally I mapped it so the spacing increases as well. I know this kiai is probably gonna annoy some peeps but the song here is pretty intense, the most intense actually. I just mapped it like this to fit the song. Notice how for example the spacing changes in this section after the NC 03:39:362 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - This is just my vision on it. I fixed minor stacking issues in this kiai though.
2. 03:41:237 - Same as before, moving (5), (6), (7), (8) & (9) closer together, Same as above
3. 03:43:932 - The jump between (4) and (1) here would probably benefit from being shorter, This jump and others like this is intentional as well, since there is a big white tick, downbeat here. It is also marked with a NC to warn you.
4. 03:52:135 - Jump between (3) and (4) could be smaller, This brings back my first big explanation about progression.
5. 03:52:135 - Jump between (3) and (4) could be smaller, This is literally the same as above

Note: You may struggle to get this map as it is with just the one difficulty, I would advise trying to get someone to do a guest difficulty for it. Cute map though, and cute background. Sinnoh pretty much said it

Sinnoh wrote:

The BG looks washed out/saturated/too white or something. You could apply some photoshop filters to darken it, or ask someone to help. Hope It's better now.
I'd prefer it if fewer SV changes. The ranking criteria suggests only to use 2-3 different SVs in total. You can simplify some of them by combining .75x, .8x, .9x, combining 1.5x, 1.6x, etc. I get what you mean but the RC mentions this as a guideline, meaning it is not a must to do like a rule, and my honest opinion about this is that this limits the mapper's potential on some level. I chose these sv speeds based on the song's intensity and how they feel when tested. On the other hand. SV changes are one of the fundamentals of this map. I mean one of the core ideas I had in mind when i decided to map this song and honestly I think it fits it, especially since this song is a few songs mashed-up.
01:36:081 (2,3) - Kick sliders like these are not very good because the spacing is too far. Overlap them enough (any 4x kick sliders in pairs) to be closer like 01:51:081 (2,3) - , otherwise they'll get mistimed and have many slider breaks. I think you meant repeat sliders but yeah it should be better now. I also redesigned the slider before the first reapeat sliders and it should also flow better now.

Hopeful Dreaming

1. 00:06:550 (1,2,3) - You can tell these three aren’t perfectly straight because of the follow lines Fixed
2. 00:16:159 (1) - Not stacked like the previous combos, too high I hope it won't be too low now because i could not stack them perfectly since stacking is ticked on.
   00:23:659 (1) - ^ ^
   00:17:331 (4) - Might be too far of a jump compared to other parts - Optional 00:17:800 (1,2,3,4,5) - Just look at them selected. It looks much better with them spread and not overlapped. And the downbeat allows me to make a jump here. I'll keep this in mind though
3. 00:23:893 (2) - Option to blanket around (4) Hmm, no thx
4. 00:32:800 (1) - Just some general stuff on fancy sliders. Generally you would want to try to blanket these fancy sliders with each other a little more, they’re good on their own, but don’t mix together. If you look at the openings of Kroytz’s maps with slow starts, such as this or that, you’ll see what I mean. The slider arts all blanket each other and you can even predict where the next slider head will be just by looking at the one you’re clicking. I see, BUT my main focus was to these sliders to blanket themselves and i think it kinda worked. I also blanketed some with eachother AND with themselves. Now I don't mean to brag how good of a job i did since people obviously want predictable sliders but i think this is a good choice too since it is not the same as how ppl expects it to be. In my head this is a good kind of "bad predictability" On a differenct note I did try to blanket them more before as another mod suggested it but I couldn't find a way to make them blanket eachother more without complitely redesigning them and i don't want to do that and not just because of lazyness.
5. 01:00:925 (1) - Consider re-mapping the flow a little, I think it might just play better with simplified flow of up/down, rather than triangles. Here's a very randomly placed version that could work, polish it. Those are supposed to be read as individuals in groups of 2, not as circles but i made it more clear by NCs now. Thanks for the suggestion though. Personally i liked your idea except the last 2 circle. It would be better if the last 4 would flow exactly the same as the first 4 but then that would require me to go offscreen at the bottom... I like it like this anyway. I hope you understand...
   
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   code for it

   428,220,60925,5,2,0:0:0:0:
   376,80,61159,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   280,320,61393,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   332,180,61628,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   429,307,61862,5,2,0:0:0:0:
   332,128,62096,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   320,352,62331,1,2,0:0:0:0:
   228,160,62565,1,2,0:0:0:0:

6. 01:12:175 (4,6) - Jumps are far for a very calm part of the song They are a little closer now but I made sure to not overlap them. I also NC'd the bigger jumps.
7. 01:27:526 (4,5) - Imo I don't think the same pattern should have different spacing for triples like this, very easy to mistime. You could use a different note pattern to fix this, maybe small kick sliders, or just do what you did previously. there are many options so it's not that limited. Yeah, I like your kick slider suggestion.
8. 01:36:901 (2) - Can't read that, move elsewhere Should be better now
9. 01:42:643 (3) - Make this a triangle with 01:42:175 (1,2) - , because that's where my cursor goes every time. That or change it so it doesn't look like a triangle. Triangle it is then
10. 01:43:346 (1,2,1,2) - Very difficult to read this spacing I know but there is that 2 sound that i wanted to map and just using a slider for them or a simple stack would be really lame so until someone shows me a good alternative, it stays like this. sry
11. 02:11:003 (1) - Too far with that anti-flow Reworked
12. 02:54:831 (5) - Too far, use consistent spacing for parts with ambiguous rhythm Okay
    03:01:862 (3,4,5) - ^ This is not okay though. I used this wide spacing because the buildup you hear in the background.
13. 03:21:432 (4) - Circle isn't readable in that blind spot I think it is readable since I use AR9. this and the second kiai section was the reason I chose AR9, otherwise it would have been between 8 and 9
14. 03:30:925 (1,2,3) - Move way closer, emphasise the small parts with small spacing so that the larger ones contrast better Okay
15. 03:34:675 (9) - This kind of pattern is really hard to read the spacing on. I would suggest you just use distance spacing instead of stacking in order to make it more readable This could be true for some people but most ppl can read it, and most importantly there is literally no sound there, so it would make sense to not move away from there too. This way of mapping just compliments the song imo.
    not going to mod the kiai because I'm not used to it at all
    04:32:800 (1) - For everything in the last 30 seconds, it needs a much smaller distance snap. There's no need to make this section hard, so don't. The tone is much quieter, so match the music. Should be better now

P i n wrote:

Note: You may struggle to get this map as it is with just the one difficulty, I would advise trying to get someone to do a guest difficulty for it. Cute map though, and cute background.
5 minute songs are fine with just one diff. Having more diffs only makes it harder to qualify, and it would take hundreds of combined man hours to both map and mod an extra diff.

Lightdevil166 wrote:

Hi there. Im from black vultures, you requested a mod, you shall receive.

General Thoughts

Your map plays really well, i had alot of fun, you cleary put alot of work into it and it shows, props for that. Since it plays really well I might have not that much to say about flow mistakes or smth, so imma go try and look more into the aethetics and other. However, aethetics are very subjective, so ill just let you know if you hate my suggestions i wont be mad as i understand everybody likes different looking things. YES! Looks like my plan worked hehe, My goal was to make this map as fun to play as possible! Thank you for your kind words!

Specifics

Your intro until 00:32:565 (5) - is very clean, has good hitsounding, and plays well. IT fits very well to the music that is very simplistic aswell since its an intro. For this reason, i suggest getting rid of half overlaps like 00:27:409 (1,2) - as they dont really fit to the general simplistic aesthetic you went for IMO or this one 00:06:550 (1,3) - or this one 00:10:300 (1,2) - I rearranged almost everything but at the same time almost everything is the same just in a different position or angle. The results are better flow and it's more pleasing to the eyes.

00:09:362 (3,4,5,6) - maybe put 5 more to the right or 3 more to the left so the lines that 3 4 and 5 6 create are parellel I fixed it by my previous fix above

00:32:800 (1) - this one isnt very pretty, dont wanna bodyshame it, and maybe its an undertale reference symbol that i dont know, but id consider remaking it. You're not the first one who points out this slider but i still don't understand how is it not pretty. i found it really good... Well anyway, i reshaped it so i hope it's better now.

00:40:300 (1) - this one owuld be prettier if youd move the first grey ankerpoint before the red one a bit down. I fixed it but I changed my mind afterwards and reshaped it completely. I hope this one will not get poked at as the first one, it looks good to me.

00:44:050 (2,3) - maybe dont make them overlap, id even consider remaking 00:44:050 (2) - since the loop doesnt really fit to the music. I'd hate to get rid of this one because it flows so well imo, but I see what you mean and it does look out of place compared to the other sliders... Reshaped

00:45:925 (1,1) - why did you go for note and spinner here instead of a slow slider? i think a slow slider would be better here. I just did it for diversity, BUT if someone else wants a slow slider here too I can definitely do it. (until then it stays like this)

00:55:300 (1,2,1,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - thats awesome and pretty, just wanted to point that out. Thank you! <3

01:08:190 (3,4) - consider tilting those a little bit like so: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7045944 better aesthetic imo hmm, sure

01:43:346 (1,2) - thats a pretty big powerspike, i know why you went for it, the song suggests it with those unique sounds at first i wanted to point it out and suggest to do something else but i decided against it, just know that it will be a frustrating point for alot of medium lvl players Yep, this is the most controversial part of the map which was remade a few times but in a straight line like this makes it the easiest to fc. I'm sure medium players can do it after two tries most. I don't want to change it either. Every map needs a bit of challange plus it looks cool and fits imo

01:51:081 (2,3) - consider making hitsounds quiter for these two, especially cause the sound the song makes is kinda fading in id atleast consider making the first one quiter if youre against my first idea Lowered the volume from 30 to 22

01:58:581 (1,2) - kinda unique sounds in the background, consider mapping that part in a more unique way aswell. maybe even just a SV change and interesting slider shapes. I see, but it plays really well and comfortable to play like this. I did make them more unique by those hitsounds tho, i was hoping that should be enough but I'm open for suggestions if someone has any. Also, I noticed that the slider just before these 2( 01:58:112 (1) - ) i should have made it more slow so did exactly that ( from 1.5x to 1x )

01:59:518 (3,4) - why you no map the sound in between these two on the blue tick? :c if you dont want to, maybe consider a bigger spacing to indicate some sort of action in between the two sliders I did not add anything there because it would be unexpected since I didn't add anything here before and since these patterns appeared before, ppl would expect nothing there. if i would add a note there, ppl would just get random misses and it would also seem out of place/random. I did use your 2nd suggestion tho with a bit of my own tweaks

02:11:471 (1,2,3,4,1) - omahgawd thats so pretty I'm not 100% sure if you are being sarcastic here or not but it flows good so I assume you weren't sarcastic and in that case thank you :3

02:24:831 (5,6,7) - and 02:09:831 (3,4,5) - id increase spacing on 02:24:831 (5,6,7) - and do the same curve maybe? Yeah

03:19:675 (3,4,5) - kinda uneccessary big spacing imo at this part I did that to 100% overlap 03:18:854 (5,6) - these objects, plus it looks better this way. Gameplaywise it's playable and it's really hard to miss here imo, but if more ppl complain about it then I definitely change it, 'tis not a biggie just a fun addition in my eyes.

03:59:050 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - id do more sliders, like how you stated it.. the chill sounds at this part dont really make me want to click 4 times in a row.. Interesting. I think it fits :S you are the first who pointed this out. If more ppl complain then I'll consider changing it.

04:24:831 (3,4,5) - same problem as the last time, kinda too tiny spacing for the intensity, id do it how you did it the first time Ya, fixied all of these when you first mentioned

Thats all from me, pretty good map!

direday wrote:

Hello! From my Queue.

Hopeful Dreaming

• 
  Creative and fun map. Since it's almost entirely based on slider gimmicks I believe you can have high degree of freedom of high you interpret the music and still rank it. I respect that and currently am making map with similar gimmiks. Thank you, and good luck!

1. 00:16:159 (1,2) - I believe those should not be at the same place to follow pattern you created before. Yeah
2. 00:23:659 (1) - ^ Or you can start making those here since pattern changed a bit by now. this one and the one above are just mistakes, not intentional. Both are fixed
3. 02:05:612 (1) - I think the end of it can be more circle-like for the sake of "clean" feel of the map yeah, it's better now
4. 03:48:971 (6) - meh blanket nice find, fixt
5. 03:59:987 (3) - this can have same spacing with slider like next circles true
6. 04:14:050 (1,2) - those are assymetrical, and I think they shouldn't be Don't know what happened since they should have been the same but it's fixed now
   Guess that's all I've found.
   
   Also some problems with hitsounds:
   
   Unused hitsounds:
   soft-sliderslide5.wav Deleted
   
   Hitsound file is not 100 ms length:
   normal-hitwhistle3.wav 85.12ms Slowed down the audio file by 15%, now it's 101 ms
   soft-hitwhistle3.wav 85.22ms 16% for this one to reach 101 ms
   
   Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms: There was a delay, fixed
   soft-hitwhistle5.wav

Good luck with ranking it. Thank you and also for your mod/help

VINXIS wrote:

big irc mod tht spans lik 2 hrs talking about gey overlaps and gimmicks ok

Sonnyc wrote:

SPOILER

22:38 Merhur: Hey Sonnyc o/
22:38 Sonnyc: hi
22:38 Merhur: I talked with Doyak, asked his opinion on my map but he said you could help me better.
22:39 Merhur: do you have some time?
22:39 Sonnyc: wait a minute please~
22:39 Merhur: sure thing ^-^
22:53 Sonnyc: guess I'm free now
22:53 Merhur: nice ^-^
22:53 *Merhur is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1105016 GameChops & VOIA - Voia's Medley (Undertale Remix)]
22:53 Merhur: this is it
22:54 Merhur: Doyak mentioned that i should map the break since the drain time is not 5 mins so just ignore that, i'll do smth about it
22:54 Merhur: you can also testplay it if you want or can
22:55 Sonnyc: dling
23:02 Sonnyc: You've showed some nice slider usages.
23:02 Merhur: thank you ^-^
23:03 Sonnyc: I can feel some idea of structures also. (consistent through consistent music parts.)
23:03 Sonnyc: there are some minor things that you can improve first.
23:03 Sonnyc: The 1/4 spacings.
23:04 Sonnyc: 02:14:753 (2,3,4) - There were some minor inconsistencies like this,
23:04 Sonnyc: but it seems that you haven't decided some consistent spacing for overall 1/4s
23:05 Sonnyc: 01:17:800 - section like here,
23:05 Sonnyc: 01:17:800 (1,2,3) - 0.4x, 0.5x
23:05 Sonnyc: 01:19:440 (1,2,3) - 0.22x
23:05 Sonnyc: 01:20:026 (4) - 0.6x, 0.7x
23:05 Sonnyc: etc
23:06 Sonnyc: Too many different kinds of spacings are used to form some consistent concept.
23:06 Sonnyc: You'll want to aim a different 2 kinds of spacing at most.
23:06 Merhur: yeah i see
23:07 Sonnyc: Some additional mods:
23:07 Sonnyc: 00:53:425 (1) - the circular slider path feels a little hard to tell the actual path imo.
23:08 Sonnyc: You can indicate it better imo.
23:09 Sonnyc: 03:15:925 (1,2,3) - spacing
23:09 Sonnyc: 03:41:003 (4,6) - the overlap was too much. It quite feels not good in visuals imo
23:10 Sonnyc: um
23:10 Sonnyc: nothing serious as I recall
23:10 Sonnyc: As I said before, your slider usage was nice.
23:10 Sonnyc: In other words,
23:10 Sonnyc: the section which was mostly consisted with short sliders & circles wasn't as interesting as other one.
23:11 Sonnyc: The intro section, and the section right after the break were those.
23:11 Sonnyc: well guess this is all what I can say for now.
23:11 Merhur: i was aiming simplicity there + the section is calm
23:12 Merhur: i wouldn't want to overcomplicate it
23:12 Merhur: it just seemed fitting
23:12 Sonnyc: yeah, but the map somewhat felt less interesting in my eyes.
23:12 Sonnyc: Opinions are opinions :3
23:12 Merhur: i respect it :P that's why i contacted you in the first place xd
23:13 Merhur: so was this a mod? i didn't expect it tbh xd
23:13 Sonnyc: good luck~
23:13 Sonnyc: idk lol
23:13 Merhur: if you want you can upload it so i can give you kds
23:14 Merhur: Thank you for your help and time tho :P