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BlackYooh vs. siromaru - BLACK or WHITE? [Taiko]

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Ayyri
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 8:43:53 PM

Artist: BlackYooh vs. siromaru
Title: BLACK or WHITE?
Source: SOUND VOLTEX II -infinite infection-
Tags: BlackY Yooh SDVX Konami Bemani KERBEROX HEKATONCHEIR BEATS Comiket 88 C88 KAC2013 jubeat Qubell Schranz Hardcore Symphonic Speed Sayaka- Ex Kurokotei dialgadu77
BPM: 185
Filesize: 9400kb
Play Time: 05:43
Difficulties Available:
  1. Ayyri vs. Kurokotei's ONI? (6.32 stars, 2522 notes)
Download: BlackYooh vs. siromaru - BLACK or WHITE?
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BLACK or WHITE?

Collab with Sayaka-.

Parts
00:01:038 - to 00:25:362 - Sayaka-
00:25:362 - to 00:46:119 - Ayyri
00:46:119 - to 01:06:876 - Sayaka-
01:06:876 - to 01:38:011 - Ayyri
01:38:011 - to 01:58:768 - Sayaka-
01:58:768 - to 02:19:524 - Ayyri
02:19:524 - to 02:50:660 - Sayaka-
02:50:660 - to 03:52:930 - Ayyri
03:52:930 - to 04:13:687 - Sayaka-
04:13:687 - to 05:00:389 - Ayyri
05:00:389 - to 05:43:200 - Sayaka-
Noffy
YOOH LOST
Akiyama Mizuki
#rememberImmortalS
Stefan
Black you fgs

[ARI OR LTL, THAT'S THE QUESTION]
00:28:444 (175,176,177,178) - weird rhythm you decided to follow. I'd either go with kdkd or kkkd.
01:27:795 (1) - To be honest, I'd map this part instead of using a long spinner here. It honestly sounds lame. :(

The mod is so lame and bad and crap but


¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Now let me give a conclusion: The map is pretty fun, It's sound-wise widely followed by the music and some parts has their own rhythm which are fine the way they are. These are just two minor things I've noticed while playing/checking which are quite subjective (well, that spinner IS really lame imo but I can live with it.) so objectively the map is really good. Also the long streams are well-chosen imo.

Good luck babes
Topic Starter
Ayyri

Stefan wrote:

Black you fgs

[ARI OR LTL, THAT'S THE QUESTION]
00:28:444 (175,176,177,178) - weird rhythm you decided to follow. I'd either go with kdkd or kkkd. Already spoke to you about this stream via PM, it's probably gonna change a bit.
01:27:795 (1) - To be honest, I'd map this part instead of using a long spinner here. It honestly sounds lame. :( Also talked to you about this, I told you that I've been like, "Yeah gets rid of the repetitive piano mapping, but it also is kinda weird when you finish the spinner so early." So I've pretty much been leaning towards changing it. Thanks for your opinion on this ~

The mod is so lame and bad and crap but ez kds xd


¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Now let me give a conclusion: The map is pretty fun, It's sound-wise widely followed by the music and some parts has their own rhythm which are fine the way they are. These are just two minor things I've noticed while playing/checking which are quite subjective (well, that spinner IS really lame imo but I can live with it.) so objectively the map is really good. Also the long streams are well-chosen imo. \o/

Good luck babes Thank you for the mod! :D
KinomiCandy
PM request

[AYYRI or LOST THE LIGHTS]

00:34:362 - Intentional? There's a last beat here that can be mapped, unless your plan was to end along with the piano. In any case, you can add a don here.
00:56:011 (452) - Plays better in my opinion if you changed this into a don. While you're at it, try CTRL+G 00:56:254 (455,456) - as well.
01:58:362 (939) - Remove this? I might be deaf, but I can't hear anything that indicates that it should be there. Plus, makes it easier to play the 1/6 right after this note.
03:29:011 (1593) - Not placed in the right time. Have 1/6 on and move it to 03:29:038 -.
03:32:011 (1605) - Move this note to 03:31:849 - and this don 03:31:930 (1605) - to 03:32:011 (1605) -.
03:42:065 - Add a kat here. Don't see the reason why you shouldn't add anything here.
03:51:633 - 03:52:687 - Some things can be done here. For example, a 1/6 stream, placing another note down, change of kats and dons etc. Try something like this, feels good in my opinion. https://kinobles.s-ul.eu/k3Mg8iLh
04:39:308 - Add a don along with 04:39:551 -? That way you can map along with the beats as well.
05:12:876 (115,116,117,118,119,120,121) - Change to kkddddk/kkddddd instead?
05:30:470 (272) - Remove this? No need for a triplet to be here, imo.
Nice map. I would be nitpicking about some more things, but I'm too lazy and it's not worth mentioning such minor stuff. :oops:
Topic Starter
Ayyri
@Kin Applied about half of your suggestions, since some of them felt a bit too harsh for what was going on in the song at that time. (IE: 1/6 during the calm part.)

Thank you for the mod! :D
streeteelf
Private request~

[AYYRI or LOST THE LIGHTS]
  1. 00:26:578 (152,167) - These 2 for me should be dons to follow music, not only patterns
  2. 01:42:146 (744,808,872) - These 3 also for me should be dons, reason as above
  3. 02:11:741 (1070,1071,1072,1073,1074) - IMO too silent, I'd made a volume eg. 40, 55, 70, 85 and last 100 as you have now
  4. 02:32:497 (1267,1268,1269,1270,1271) - Same as above
  5. 04:54:957 (2370) - k to follow music
  6. Overall I see many repetative parts like 03:53:092 . I know consistency, but using the same pattern could bet just boring even if intensity of map is high.
For now rest seems ok and nice done. Maybe I'll find something another day when I feel better and "closer to music" (however this sounds :P). Good luck~
Topic Starter
Ayyri
@esse: Didn't apply the color changes for the streams, since the piano is audibly different between where the current kats are, in relation to the dons after them. And the volume changes should probably stay how they are, because the sounds there are barely audible in the song, so it would be overpowering if the hitsounds were louder than the song.

Also, the repetition thing should have been fixed. Because those parts are mapped completely different now.
Midnaait
Hey, from mod request, sorry for small mod in advance
d=don - k=kat - D=big don - K=big kat - // = Suggestion

[General]

02:11:741 - Isnt these volume changes too low? It might confuse some players, So I'd increase it at least 15%, and then go up every 20%

If you do so, do that for the rest

[AYYRI or KUROKOTEI]

01:14:335 - How about making this part D K D K D K..... and so? Since pitch comes up and down here lol
01:15:957 - If you did ^^^, change this to d and add another d next to it
01:17:578 - // Make slower SV here? it's pretty calm here. You can increase it gradually after 01:27:633 -
02:03:308 (918,919) - Ctrl+G these big notes, sounds and plays better imo
02:07:849 (963,964,965,966) - D K K D here? It doesn't sound the same as the other part, so I'd make some variety here as well
02:23:741 (1100,1101) - Ctrl+g these, same as before before lol
02:39:633 - How about adding a 1/6 there? Because piano roll :^)
03:42:065 - I think you forgot a kat there
04:13:849 - Why volume is lower here on those 3 notes? lol
04:33:795 (698,699,700,701,702,703,704) - Unless you are not following melody, change that part into 1/3, because melody is like that lol
04:54:551 - ^
05:05:416 (50,51) - // Given the low volume, you can change those into big kats if you want, sound appropiate imo
05:15:795 (149,150) - // ^
05:26:173 (234,235) - // ^
05:36:551 (311,312) - // ^ lol

Not much to say, feel free to reject everything :^)
Noice map, good luck :)
Kurokotei

Midnaait wrote:

[AYYRI or KUROKOTEI]

02:23:741 (1100,1101) - Ctrl+g these, same as before before lol wait but it's not the same pattern lol
02:39:633 - How about adding a 1/6 there? Because piano roll :^) added
05:05:416 (50,51) - // Given the low volume, you can change those into big kats if you want, sound appropiate imo I want to emphasize 05:05:903 (52) - so k k works better imo
05:15:795 (149,150) - // ^ ^
05:26:173 (234,235) - // ^ ^
05:36:551 (311,312) - // ^ lol ^

Not much to say, feel free to reject everything :^)
Noice map, good luck :)
Thanks for the mod!

@Ayyri: can you fix 02:39:663 - for me please? here's the pattern I used https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6431279
DeletedUser_6637817
NM :^)

Ayyri, mapping things i wanted to but never did!

I was forced.

Just. Kidding xD

Ayyri or Kurokotei
General

Vol.: 01:17:254 - I suggest making the volume of the HS gradually slide down, until its on par with what you have set currently.
Up until 01:19:849 - , theres still some 'pollution' making the hitsounds seem like they just poof out of existence, and coming back when the 'pollution' has subsided.
05:36:714 - reduce HS from here on again? Music gets more silent and fades out till end
05:40:768 - this to 05:40:605 - ? Just a nitpick lol

Hitsounding

- Sayaka- -
02:27:470 (1127,1128,1129) - This triplet feels quite a bit off, let me explain a bit why
In your part, triplets are predominatly used for emphasizing the beats from 02:20:822 - to 02:22:119 -
Metioned Triplet is placed directly after the emphasizing triplets, making it just a bit weird in your structure,
So i suggest you remove said confusion.
If that was your intention, you might wanna consider placing a note at 02:20:741 - to follow the exact same emphasis you set with the other triples, as shown in the 2nd repetition of the melody at 02:25:849 (1112,1113,1114) - which sounds nicer than just 2 1/2
- Ayyri -
04:23:660 (578,579) - swap those 2? Your hitsounding relies on leitmotif, and the leitmotif sounds on the blue tick, so i guess that makes it elegible for the k, and not the note after it.

Apart from those things, very nice, very easy, very pp map :)

Have a Star!
Topic Starter
Ayyri
@Mid: Applied everything, except for the second 1/3 point. Because it's not 1/3, it's 1/4. lol

@Nep: Vol weren't fixed from before the parts changed, like I told you before, and I fixed them before even looking at your mod sooooo.. xD Also for the one point for me on swaping the d and k, I just made both of the notes k to follow the melody a bit better.

Thank you both for your mods, I really appreciate them.

Applied Saya's change as well. Everything should be up to date now.
Aldwych
Hi Ayyri,

M4M Requested via PM Discord.

Even if it's a american/french collab, i'll all speak in english coz' i'm lazy :V

[AyyAyyRi & KUROKOTEI
]

[Ayyri]

00:25:362 (57) - just from my point of view, i'm not able to pass this stream because it is way too long and too complex that i could read haha, so i just cut every 4/1 to play it properly and what's going on, the 3 are ok for me, the 3 last ones less. The first fun fact is you start the 3 first time with a k 00:25:362 (57,72,87) - and after with a d 00:29:254 (102,117,132) - . The first thing that choke me a bit is the 4 d at 00:29:254 (102,103,104,105) - which i find is a lot and i would change to k 00:29:416 (104) - this one, the last one is at 00:32:660 (142,143,144,145,146) - which i would completly swap the k to d and d to k, it sound better and more accurate since 00:32:822 (144) - would be natturaly on a clap place and the high sound is present here.

And with all the changes and cut, i was able to pass it with no break. I mean you maybe not want to cut all of these since you may want some challenge but w/e.

00:43:362 - why a break here? That makes the whole parts not equaly longer. ddddk? like the previous quint

01:06:876 (452) - aaaaaaaa i don't know if it's allowed on the RC, generally we can accept if it's a xxxxO pattern, but it's a oxxxO, however it's 1/3. aaaaaa

01:12:065 (472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479,480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495) - hmmmm tbh use the same base as 00:18:876 (25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40) - this one sounds sounds akward.

01:30:065 (579,580,581) - Welp, why this triplet? There's nothing interesting here for, however the idea is interesting but if you want to keep it, use it more oftenly and regulary.

01:36:714 - Sound odd to not have even a d here.

02:05:254 (931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940,941,942,943,944,945) - Ifeel it is quite messy because no patterns are equaly in this stream, i'd rather see someting simple as kkddkkddkkdd etc... or complex but visible as kkddkdddkkddkdd(d) which contrast on the different sounds but keep the main base as k on the key points 02:05:254 (931,935,939,943) -

02:06:633 (947,951) - Delete to keep it clean and get the same base starter as 02:03:957 (917,918,919,920) -

02:10:444 (977) - the same goes above.

02:16:768 (1034,1035,1036,1037,1038,1039,1040,1041,1042,1043,1044,1045) - 02:37:524 (1207,1208,1209,1210,1211,1212,1213,1214,1215,1216,1217,1218,1219) - yep even if it's different ppl, i'm okay for different patterns, but keep the same way about 1/3 1/6 stuff.

02:50:660 (30,31,32) - why not basically ddddK? (same for all others ofc) (because lel 03:02:983 (93,94,95,96,97) - ).

03:08:741 (149) - Delete for a constant pattern stream length.

04:03:470 (368) - Dunno why but i like these triplets.

04:07:119 (402,408) - Rather k no? If we look on the previous triplets.

04:31:768 (676) - Delete for a constant pattetn stream length and keeping the sections distinct.

[Sayaka]

00:00:714 - Actually you should start your 0.50 here, because the first 4/1 is 1.00 and it visible by the fast white bar and it's kinda odd.

00:12:065 (14) - 00:17:254 (21) - I think it's more accurate to syncronize these patterns with the second of the section (like 00:05:903 (5,6,7,8) - ) because the impair patterns of the section are k --- k --- d

00:22:768 - Maybe spinner with low volume but as you want (but also not finishing too close to the stream because it's a complex one haha).

00:46:281 (272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284) - I love this kind of patterns where you start from a same base pattern, you can do w/e you want with a long stream after.

00:51:308 (323) - Not fan of a slider moreover when it is a very short one and finishes before the end of the sound you're targeting.

00:50:497 (314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322) - 00:53:416 (341,342,343,344) - what? xd Why is it so different but musically the same?

01:38:173 (623) - Oboi... not again :'^( But what i see here is you kept the stream with only 1 or 2 d / k in a row which is good for alternating and i guess it's the best choice to do for a stream. Just a few comments. 01:41:903 (669,673) - at these points we can here a up in the sounds and i feel like it should be better to get a similar pattern which start at the same place but that would make such changes which would be kdkkddk at 01:41:741 (667,668,669,670,671,672,673) - and on the same way ddkkddkdk at 01:42:551 (677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685) - .

Oboi this is 2 streams 4 me.

02:20:984 (1073,1074,1075,1076,1077,1078,1079,1080,1081,1082,1083,1084) - lol sayaka you remind me on my black or white part on top kac 2013 even tho i do this starting on the white lines, not the red ones :D (Which is why i prefer my version and is more accurate imo)

02:32:497 (1163) - :japanese gobelin: i even prefer 1/6 than this kind of slider.

02:39:470 (1228,1229,1230) - ddk instead in order to go on the same base as 02:39:146 (1225,1226,1227) - .

02:48:065 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29) - why different from 00:18:876 (25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56) - .

The rest is ok for me. Generaly the structure is ok, i think this is the kind of map i need for endurance and stream haha.
(Hope i split well)

Gl hf for rank :D
Kurokotei

Aldwych wrote:

[Sayaka]

00:00:714 - Actually you should start your 0.50 here, because the first 4/1 is 1.00 and it visible by the fast white bar and it's kinda odd. wait no I wanted the first note to be x1.00 Ayyri gdi

00:12:065 (14) - 00:17:254 (21) - I think it's more accurate to syncronize these patterns with the second of the section (like 00:05:903 (5,6,7,8) - ) because the impair patterns of the section are k --- k --- d yeah but it looks ugly D:

00:22:768 - Maybe spinner with low volume but as you want (but also not finishing too close to the stream because it's a complex one haha). GDI AYYRI THE BARLINE WAS INTENDED AAAAAAAA

00:46:281 (272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284) - I love this kind of patterns where you start from a same base pattern, you can do w/e you want with a long stream after. structure ftw

00:51:308 (323) - Not fan of a slider moreover when it is a very short one and finishes before the end of the sound you're targeting. this is the only way I found to make this part not weird

00:50:497 (314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322) - 00:53:416 (341,342,343,344) - what? xd Why is it so different but musically the same? well it's not exactly the same, also I usually like to do something like A B A C for the structure

01:38:173 (623) - Oboi... not again :'^( But what i see here is you kept the stream with only 1 or 2 d / k in a row which is good for alternating and i guess it's the best choice to do for a stream. Just a few comments. 01:41:903 (669,673) - at these points we can here a up in the sounds and i feel like it should be better to get a similar pattern which start at the same place but that would make such changes which would be kdkkddk at 01:41:741 (667,668,669,670,671,672,673) - and on the same way ddkkddkdk at 01:42:551 (677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685) - . I like my streams :D

Oboi this is 2 streams 4 me.

02:20:984 (1073,1074,1075,1076,1077,1078,1079,1080,1081,1082,1083,1084) - lol sayaka you remind me on my black or white part on top kac 2013 even tho i do this starting on the white lines, not the red ones :D (Which is why i prefer my version and is more accurate imo) whoops I think my version is actually more accurate, if you listen to the synth :D (also that part isn't in the short version of BLACK OR WHITE so TOP KEK :^))

02:32:497 (1163) - :japanese gobelin: i even prefer 1/6 than this kind of slider. but that slider is cool :(

02:39:470 (1228,1229,1230) - ddk instead in order to go on the same base as 02:39:146 (1225,1226,1227) - . yeah but I don't like to repeat the same pattern twice in a row

02:48:065 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29) - why different from 00:18:876 (25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56) - . now that's a good question LOL, but I think the full k version is more fitting in this context

The rest is ok for me. Generaly the structure is ok, i think this is the kind of map i need for endurance and stream haha.
(Hope i split well)

Gl hf for rank :D
Thanks for the mod!
Topic Starter
Ayyri
@Ald: The fourth d is actually there because before I've had a couple tell me that it was more weird with a k there. And so far, this type of pattern has been working out better, so I will see what some more people say before changing it again. Also, for the swapping part, that would be ignoring the piano at 00:32:660 - by making them d's, which I don't want to happen. Leaving 00:32:984 - as a d would be preferable, since 00:33:146 - starts out as a k, which IMO contrasts nicely.

1/3 or 1/4 streams into a finisher are allowed by the RC. As long as they do not overlap too much / are uncomfortable in play. For 01:30:065 - , that's the only time the piano is that high in this section, so it should probably stand out amongst the rest.

Don't want to use ddddK because it wouldn't really be emphasizing the difference in impact between 02:50:660 - this type of rhythm, and 03:02:984 - , where the piano starts to pick up / become more intense.

Nice putting stuff for Saya in my part btw. xD

Thanks for the mod!
EphemeralFetish
`L_`
Epsile
Request from in-game chat.

AYYRI or KUROKOTEI
00:18:876 (25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40) - Pattern to me is a bit iffy. You go immediately from a 2/1 pattern to a 1/2 pattern, so maybe try letting things settle in: 2/1, then 1/1, then 1/2.
00:35:416 (176,177,178,179,180,181,182) - You could make this kkkdddd, just for the music's sake.
00:38:011 (202) - Make this k, for Flow™.
00:53:741 - You could add a k in here so it isn't so empty.
01:18:714 (524,525,526,527,528,529,530,531) - Maybe make this dkdkkkdk.

I don't really have much to say on this map right now, I don't have that much motivation for a good mod.
All I can say right now is that the streams in the buildup to the first kiai should be redone and renewed because some of the rhythms don't exactly follow what the music goes for. Just my opinion, though.
I'll probably redo this mod later.
Stefan
I know I won't find shite anyways.

[ROUND 2]
00:02:011 (1) - Okay, you know how I love to be picky about stuff and that shi- and uh.. I see you want to create an effect here that (1) is "stronger" than (2) but it somehow doesn't really work imo. Either make the SV faster here (1.50x?) or just stick with 0.50x.
00:22:768 - move the green line to 00:22:849 - so it won't be so buggy with the barlines. I know it's just because of the aesthetic but eh, you really should follow that.
00:50:984 (326) - I think this should be a k note since the music builds up even more on 00:50:903 (325,326) - .
01:59:822 (886,891) - They should be swapped, the kkk rhythm should come a little bit later while the earlier kkk sounds too early when kdk is more appropriate. (Apply for all loops)
02:20:497 (1080) - k note? The sounds is pretty much identical with 02:20:335 (1078,1081) - so why not? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
02:34:119 (1183,1186) - I would decide if you want to keep 02:34:362 (1186) - as k and make (1183) therefore as k too or to remove k from (1186). It's currently so inconsistent to have 02:34:038 (1182,1183) - as dk while 02:34:281 (1185,1186) - is kk. 02:34:524 (1188,1189,1190,1191,1192,1193,1194) - is okay that way and can be differented from 02:34:038 (1182,1183,1184,1185,1186) - .
02:36:389 (1207) - I think it's a good decision to emphasize the music here with a k note.
02:38:660 (1231,1232,1233,1234) - What about dkkkd? I think that this part should be five notes and not one and three. dkkkd sounds the most appropriate imo but dunno how do you feel.
04:09:227 (425) - and 04:10:524 (441) - the idea of kk is ugh... it's weird, honestly said. the first k sounds so overdone so I wouldn't use them and change to d.
04:11:173 (449,450) - I think the k note comes 1/4 too early, you should swap them. It sounds really odd.

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Kurokotei

Epsile wrote:

Request from in-game chat.

AYYRI or KUROKOTEI
00:18:876 (25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40) - Pattern to me is a bit iffy. You go immediately from a 2/1 pattern to a 1/2 pattern, so maybe try letting things settle in: 2/1, then 1/1, then 1/2. hmm maybe, I'll think about it
00:53:741 - You could add a k in here so it isn't so empty. intended break because the drum suddenly stops here

I don't really have much to say on this map right now, I don't have that much motivation for a good mod.
All I can say right now is that the streams in the buildup to the first kiai should be redone and renewed because some of the rhythms don't exactly follow what the music goes for. Just my opinion, though. streams weren't intended to perfectly follow the song anyway so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'll probably redo this mod later.
Thanks for the mod!

Stefan wrote:

I know I won't find shite anyways.

[ROUND 2]
00:02:011 (1) - Okay, you know how I love to be picky about stuff and that shi- and uh.. I see you want to create an effect here that (1) is "stronger" than (2) but it somehow doesn't really work imo. Either make the SV faster here (1.50x?) or just stick with 0.50x. x1.5 seems to work, changed
00:22:768 - move the green line to 00:22:849 - so it won't be so buggy with the barlines. I know it's just because of the aesthetic but eh, you really should follow that. yeah I wasn't sure myself so I guess I'll move it
00:50:984 (326) - I think this should be a k note since the music builds up even more on 00:50:903 (325,326) - . changed
02:20:497 (1080) - k note? The sounds is pretty much identical with 02:20:335 (1078,1081) - so why not? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk it sounds weird with a k
02:34:119 (1183,1186) - I would decide if you want to keep 02:34:362 (1186) - as k and make (1183) therefore as k too or to remove k from (1186). It's currently so inconsistent to have 02:34:038 (1182,1183) - as dk while 02:34:281 (1185,1186) - is kk. 02:34:524 (1188,1189,1190,1191,1192,1193,1194) - is okay that way and can be differented from 02:34:038 (1182,1183,1184,1185,1186) - . idk, the current stream seems fine imo but I'll maybe change if other modders also point it out
02:36:389 (1207) - I think it's a good decision to emphasize the music here with a k note. dkkdd is awful to play
02:38:660 (1231,1232,1233,1234) - What about dkkkd? I think that this part should be five notes and not one and three. dkkkd sounds the most appropriate imo but dunno how do you feel. well I'm mainly following the drum here so k kkd seems appropriate
04:09:227 (425) - and 04:10:524 (441) - the idea of kk is ugh... it's weird, honestly said. the first k sounds so overdone so I wouldn't use them and change to d. I see your point, but I want to avoid a repeated pattern for the whole stream
04:11:173 (449,450) - I think the k note comes 1/4 too early, you should swap them. It sounds really odd. changed

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Thanks for the mod!
@Ayyri: http://sayakaisbaka.s-ul.eu/7zBwuApl
Topic Starter
Ayyri
@Epsile: Didn't apply anything from your mod, I don't want to make the 1/6 harder than it already is, considering it's the longest one in the map.

@Stefan: The mod was all for Saya, so.. (^:

Thanks for the mod, you two! :D
Yaminoma
hi
mod
00:53:659 - here has the same sound as 00:48:470 (301,302,303) - why no kkk?
optional# 01:08:659 - 01:08:984 - and 01:09:957 - 01:10:281 - 01:11:254 - i think that it would be easier to follow the rhythm if u add finisher don here
02:01:930 (912,913,914,915,916) - ctrl+g ? imo it plays and sounds better like this cursor at 02:01:930 -

would say to delete this 02:14:416 - here and the following kdkkd can be very confusing, i would recommend to change them to kdk d K 02:14:822 - starting from here # 04:50:173 - somehow, these are ok lol

05:05:416 (50,51) - finisher?
05:15:795 (149,150) - ^ you could also add some sv because everybody loves high sv finishers
05:26:173 (234,235) - ^
05:36:551 (311,312) - ^


05:21:308 - ?????????? dkd ?

hope it helps, please reply
Kurokotei

-TheHateD- wrote:

hi
mod
00:53:659 - here has the same sound as 00:48:470 (301,302,303) - why no kkk? the drum stops here that why I didn't map it
05:05:416 (50,51) - finisher? crash sound isn't significant enough to have finishers imo + I want to emphasize 05:05:903 (52) -
05:15:795 (149,150) - ^ you could also add some sv because everybody loves high sv finishers ^
05:26:173 (234,235) - ^ ^
05:36:551 (311,312) - ^ ^


05:21:308 - ?????????? dkd ? nope, the point here is to have a rhythmical change and less density

hope it helps, please reply
No changes, but thanks for the mod anyway!
Topic Starter
Ayyri
@-TheHateD-: Applied the CTRL+G for the stream point, but not the other point about removing some notes. That would take away from the piano which is being followed right before the finishers in that area.

Thank you for the mod!
Plaudible
first time taiko mod cause am thirsty ho, srry if its ass

00:07:038 (7) - rhythm diversity is nice for this section, but the piano is louder on the white ticks like on 00:06:876, would be more appriopriate to put it there imo :>

00:18:876 (25) - since you're changing your focus to the new melody thang popping in, i feel lowering the volume here then gradually increasing rather than keeping it at a steady 45% would be appropriate, even if it's a minor increase like 15% or 20% across this section.

00:37:930 - add d here? poor drum has no sound

00:43:281 (250) - no real sound here D: would be better just to delete imo.
If you do ^, maybe make a k at 00:43:362 instead?

00:43:524 (251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262) - I'm not sure about this really, the triples are all in the wrong places. 00:43:524 (251) - should just be a single note, and the triples should all be moved over. Here's what I got in the end (though i dont know which k/d are appropriate xd) http://puu.sh/s8Gx0/d9d49fbbf7.jpg

00:56:011 (374,375,376) - maybe do k k d here? You put k for all the synth noises in the part before, i think it'd be more fitting :u

from 01:53:740 (818) - to 01:57:470 (864) - in this section, the little "pew pew" noises would be nice to emphasize by making them all k maybe? it's a bit mix and match rn

02:06:227 (951) - throughout this section, a lot of times you use a k for the piano, for consistency's sake why not use one here? the triple k sounds cool too imo

02:10:930 (991) - make this k? you do this on the strong iteration of the drum at 02:11:255 (995) as well, seems more fitting to do that here too

02:14:092 (1017) - since the synth spams here 4 times, i think a k would better represent that intensity

02:35:092 (1196) - you use k for the held out synth here, putting on here too on the downbeat would match it more accordingly :>

04:13:605 - hmm, could you add a d here? the synth is quite powerful :< i think it's worth the note

05:21:146 (197) - from here onwards, not necessarily a bad thing, but im just wondering why did you decide to make the triples doubles? o-o if it's to lower note density for a more calm part then i guess go for it, caught me off guard though :<

hope i was able to help in some way xd
Kurokotei

Plaudible wrote:

first time taiko mod cause am thirsty ho, srry if its ass

00:07:038 (7) - rhythm diversity is nice for this section, but the piano is louder on the white ticks like on 00:06:876, would be more appriopriate to put it there imo :> but what makes you think that I follow the piano :>

00:18:876 (25) - since you're changing your focus to the new melody thang popping in, i feel lowering the volume here then gradually increasing rather than keeping it at a steady 45% would be appropriate, even if it's a minor increase like 15% or 20% across this section. wait there was a volume change here GDI AYYRI

00:56:011 (374,375,376) - maybe do k k d here? You put k for all the synth noises in the part before, i think it'd be more fitting :u hm maybe, I'll think about it

from 01:53:740 (818) - to 01:57:470 (864) - in this section, the little "pew pew" noises would be nice to emphasize by making them all k maybe? it's a bit mix and match rn it feels weird to emphasize the lazer sound imo

02:35:092 (1196) - you use k for the held out synth here, putting on here too on the downbeat would match it more accordingly :> crash sound tho

04:13:605 - hmm, could you add a d here? the synth is quite powerful :< i think it's worth the note but ddddK looks ugly af D:

05:21:146 (197) - from here onwards, not necessarily a bad thing, but im just wondering why did you decide to make the triples doubles? o-o if it's to lower note density for a more calm part then i guess go for it, caught me off guard though :< as you said, it's to lower note density lol

hope i was able to help in some way xd
Thanks for the mod!
@Ayyri: can you make the volume change at 00:18:876 (25) - please? thank you :D
Topic Starter
Ayyri
@Plaudible: Adding a note at 00:37:930 - would ruin the emphasis of the held sound starting at, 00:38:011 - . Also, I don't even consider there to be any significant sounds at 00:43:281 - or 00:43:362 - , but I added d's so modders would stop pointing it out. The sound fades out after 00:43:200 - , making a pause warranted. But if I have to have notes there, I would want it to be similar to 00:38:011 - . 02:06:227 - This part of the piano sounds lower than the sounds at 02:06:146 - and 02:06:065 - . So having kkk here, sounds really weird. As well as the fact that it feels awkward to play. :c Making 02:10:930 - k would take away from the main piano sounds at 02:10:768 - and 02:11:092 -, so using a k there would make it sound like a build up, rather than the melody. Having 02:14:092 - as another k would make the higher sounds of 02:14:011 - and 02:14:173 - be dulled, because then they're ALL k's. So having this one as a d makes the higher sounds more prominent.

Thanks for the mod!

tfw saya doesn't know his own volume changes w
Volta
sup!

[General]
  1. these notes and the green lines are unsnapped by 1ms, please resnap:
    01:27:632 -
    02:02:659 -
    02:24:713 -
    02:50:659 -
    03:51:632 -

    i think there are more unsnapped notes, but above notes are most noticable because of their approach speed are different than the barline
[Ayyri or Kurokotei]
  1. 00:19:038 - , 00:19:362 - , 00:19:686 - , 00:20:011 - consider to delete these notes,
    and 00:20:497 - , 00:21:146 - change these notes to d for better build-up.
  2. 00:37:524 (1,2,3) - i kinda expected dkd here. because previous triplets are ended with k-d-k-d-k, i thought this would suits better if ended with d.
    00:37:849 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - if you do that, you might want to change this to ddkkkkd.
    and of course the colour scheme of next triplets can be adjusted too if you decide to change.
  3. 00:53:416 (1,2,3) - how about replace this with a slider and end it at 00:53:741 - , i thought it fits well with the sound like at 00:51:389 -
  4. 00:56:822 - , 00:57:470 - , 00:58:768 - , 00:59:416 - , 01:00:065 - , 01:02:011 -, 01:02:659 - , 01:03:957 - , 01:04:605 - , 01:05:254 - hmm, i don't think ninja is necessary here. it's confusing imo. at similar part mapped by ayyri, it's no ninja (02:50:984 - , 02:51:632 - , etc)
  5. 01:25:524 - consider to delete this notes, since there is no piano sound here, like at 01:17:741 -
  6. 01:26:660 (1,2) - might want to swap the colour of these notes. because dkdkdk is less interesting imo
  7. 02:15:713 - i think changing this to k give good variation and can reflect the pitch difference in melody
  8. 02:16:362 (1,2) - same as ^
  9. 02:28:200 - might want to add d, to make this kiai part a bit denser? it fits the melody too.
  10. 03:03:227 - consider to delete this note? you rarely use 1/4+finisher in this map.
    03:03:065 - optionally, delete this note too to have consistency with the other pattern with similar sound?
  11. 03:34:768 - change to d can follow the lower pitch and drum in a way better.
    03:37:362 - same as ^
    03:41:254 - same as ^
    03:45:146 - same as ^
  12. 05:05:416 (50,51) - feels like you can add finisher here for crash sound
    05:15:795 (149,150) - ^
    05:26:173 (234,235) - ^
    05:36:551 (311,312) - ^
Good luck!
Kurokotei

Volta wrote:

[Ayyri or Kurokotei]
  1. 00:19:038 - , 00:19:362 - , 00:19:686 - , 00:20:011 - consider to delete these notes,
    and 00:20:497 - , 00:21:146 - change these notes to d for better build-up. it works pretty well, changed
  2. 00:53:416 (1,2,3) - how about replace this with a slider and end it at 00:53:741 - , i thought it fits well with the sound like at 00:51:389 - idk it feels weird
  3. 00:56:822 - , 00:57:470 - , 00:58:768 - , 00:59:416 - , 01:00:065 - , 01:02:011 -, 01:02:659 - , 01:03:957 - , 01:04:605 - , 01:05:254 - hmm, i don't think ninja is necessary here. it's confusing imo. at similar part mapped by ayyri, it's no ninja (02:50:984 - , 02:51:632 - , etc) I'll let Ayyri choose lol
  4. 02:28:200 - might want to add d, to make this kiai part a bit denser? it fits the melody too. well I want to emphasize the melody so it's better to have 1/1 here imo
  5. 05:05:416 (50,51) - feels like you can add finisher here for crash sound I already answered before lol, I want to emphasize 05:05:903 (52) - , also the crash sound isn't significant enough to put a finisher imo
    05:15:795 (149,150) - ^ ^
    05:26:173 (234,235) - ^ ^
    05:36:551 (311,312) - ^ ^
Good luck!
Thanks for the mod!
@Ayyri: http://sayakaisbaka.s-ul.eu/n7reslzp (I didn't fix unsnapped notes)
Topic Starter
Ayyri
@Volta: Applied all changes except a few things. I wanted to keep 00:37:849 - the same, to emphasize the lower sound at 00:38:011 - with the d's. And 02:16:362 - , since I wanted it to match with 02:15:065 - , with the d's following the lower pitched melody. 03:03:065 - The ddd here is following the piano, which is gradually becoming more intense as the section goes on, so I think using a triple over the 1/2 pattern that I used at 02:51:308 - fits a bit better. 03:41:254 - Is following the bell-like sound in the background, over the drums here. I think d d kind of takes away from the emphasis k d gives.

Thanks for the mod!
Volta
removed (Extended) from title since there is no official source to support. map looks fine.

Bubbled #1~
tasuke912
Hello.

[ General]
  1. 00:18:876 - 00:21:308 - Hitsound volume seems too small. I recommend start fade-in from 45%
  2. 01:16:687 - Move the green line -1ms. It doesn't work now
  3. 01:17:578 - Raise to 40%?
  4. 01:27:632 - Greenline should be moved left (1/4 or 1/8), since it doesn't work if player taps key before line.
  5. 01:27:957 - ^
  6. 01:57:470 - I didn't feel volume change is needed
  7. 02:40:281 - volume should be higher. (60-80%)

  8. 04:13:686 - You can make kiai time from here.
[ AYYRI or KUROKOTEI? ]

  1. 01:58:768 - 02:12:551 - You used dkdkdk patterns too much and stream became boring. Try to use more colors, eg: dkdkd, ddkkd, dkkkd. They fit to sound as well.
  2. 02:14:092 (1012) - why not k?
  3. 02:15:470 (1025,1026,1027,1028,1029) - should start from dk for flow and consistency. Since all of 5-plet start from kd in this part, players may think next stream also starts from kd color. I actually did and mistaked here. About consistency, refer Sayaka's part.
  4. 02:17:578 (1049,1050,1051,1052,1053,1054) - dkd / ddk would fit melody much.
  5. 02:11:741 (995,996,997,998) - I recommend to replace to slider for consistency. (02:32:497 (1169) - )
  6. 03:51:632 - Why not follow the sound?

  7. 04:13:362 - SV is questionable to me
Call me back then
Topic Starter
Ayyri
@tasuke912: Applied all of the volume changes and moved the green lines 1/4th to the left. Having another kiai at 04:13:686 - seems a bit weird though, since the melody already occurred at 01:58:768 - . 02:14:092 - Isn't k since I wanted to differentiate between the higher pitches of 02:14:011 - and 02:14:173 - , rather than having everything being monotonous with k's. (Which is already done with the d's within the same stream.) Changed anything else that was mentioned though.

Thank you for the mod!
Ascendance
ye xd
tasuke912
Looks good.

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EphemeralFetish
`L_` Hype `L_`
DakeDekaane
diffnamestillsucksbutwhatcanidoaboutit

:!: 00:51:308 (326) - Missing slidertick (extend by 1/16)
:!: 02:11:741 (995) - ^. Also, it'd be nice if you could increase the volume by 10-20%, it's not that easy to get feedback from such low volume considering the overall volume in this part.
02:18:876 - This doesn't deserve to have kiai turned off as it hasn't lost any intensity compared to the preceding music.
04:34:119 (704) - This note could fit better as a don, considering the tone of this note is more similar to the notes after.

= =
Topic Starter
Ayyri
@DakeDekaane: Applied all changes except for the kiai cut point. Because having one continuous kiai kind of ruins the emphasis of the different melody at 02:19:524 - . So I'd prefer there to be a difference between the first kiai, and the second one.
DakeDekaane
Good luck!

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