This still doesn't look ready.
I'm vetoing for rhythm and overmapping, mainly. Cookiezi's diff suffers from ambiguous rhythm the most so I went into a little extra depth on that.
[ReTraumenD]
Gonna talk mainly about kiai since that's where the core issue is but before that is slider tick rate 2 really necessary cuz it makes the slider ticks on stuff like 00:07:363 (4,1) - stand out so much and it's kind of annoying. I think this goes for all diffs actually (the song doesn't have that high density so tick rate 2 is ??? to me already)
- 01:01:205 (3,5) - I don't agree with the usage of this because there is no blue tick drum here yet one is hitsounded to the end of a 1/4 slider no less, what would work better I think is just putting a triple over 01:01:205 (3,4) - and even then I can't agree with how many triples are overmapped in this kiai.
- 00:59:311 (8,1) - Should be a triple considering syncopation as well as 00:58:679 (3,4,5) - is quite similar in terms of sound here.
- 01:02:311 (3,4,5) - This rhythm doesn't exist in the song and should be adjusted accordingly. Essentially 01:02:548 - needs to go.
- 01:04:048 (6,7) - I'm not particularly fond of how 6 gets more emphasis than the clearly stronger 7 here.
- 01:04:521 (1,2) - According to 01:02:311 (3,4,5) - there should be a triple here, but in order to maintain song relevancy I'll point this out as a reference as t why the first one doesn't work.
- 01:05:311 (4,5) - 5 is stronger yet 4 has more spacing?
- 01:06:100 (2,3) - 01:06:732 (2,3) - The song doesn't call for this much of a density increase imo, replacing these with circles (or better yet sliders) would represent what the song is doing a lot better here.
- 01:08:311 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5) - Overmapped triples aside they're not consistent with each other even - considering 01:08:784 (4,5,6) - covers two vocals the triple should actually be on 01:10:048 (5,6) - instead of 01:09:732 (2,3,4) - .
- 01:10:521 (7,8) - Again not really seeing a reason for these 1/4 sliders.
- 01:11:627 (4,5,6) - This triple is very out of place in a 1/1 vocal + 1/2 drum section. There's no syncopation and there's no 1/4 here, so I don't think this triple is necessary.
- 01:15:258 (1,2,1) - Same here, last 1 is stronger but 2 is getting more emphasis.
Out of the kiai now, (this list is not in order.)
- 01:25:205 (2) - 01:26:469 (2) - I don't think using filler rhythm in a section this calm is very appropriate. Maybe extend 01:24:732 (1) - instead.
- 01:26:942 (4,5) - Ctrl+g rhythm to follow vocals like you were with 01:25:995 (1,2,3) -
- 00:23:311 (2,3) - 00:25:837 (2,3,4) - Ctrl+g this rhythm to follow more of the piano with sliders, bringing it more in focus. (for all cases?)
- 00:26:942 (2) - Not sure why here you decided against using a 1/2 slider even though there's a pretty notable sound on the end. Would recommend making the end here clickable.
- 00:32:153 (3,4,5) - Triple isn't needed here, there's no syncopation nor 1/4.
- 00:44:153 (6) - Lacking in emphasis here compared to 00:44:469 (2,3) -
- 00:46:048 (4,5,6) - Another unneeded triple.
- 00:50:153 (5,6,7) - ^ and I'll stop pointing these out.
Overall the diff is still really overmapped, especially the kiai with cases like 01:00:416 (7,8,1) - 01:01:205 (3,4) - 01:02:548 (4,5) - 01:06:100 (2,3) - etc and I think it would better fit the song were these removed and replaced with circles or sliders depending on what I said in the mod.
Can we also talk about some of the other diffs?
[Cookiezi's Insane]
- 00:33:258 (2,3,4,5) - This rhythm dilutes vocals a lot like 00:33:732 - is skipped 00:33:258 (2,3) - is all circles so you can't really tell what's being followed either. Would recommend
https://i.imgur.com/I3MFoML.png instead.
- 00:37:600 - Sometimes these are silenced other times not 00:30:021 - 00:24:969 - would be nice to be consistent.
- 00:40:521 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - This doesn't really follow vocals either since 00:41:469 - is unclickable.
- 00:41:627 (4,5,1,2) - Triple emphasizing 1 yet 2 has the piano on it?
- 00:45:890 (4,5,6,7,8) - So much piano keysounding but the rhythm here doesn't fit that at all, which is essentially what the song is doing anyways, and vocals are held here so the only other layer realistically to follow is piano but it starts off unclickable 00:46:048 - and 00:46:363 (6,7,8) - kinda dilutes it, what would be more clear is
https://i.imgur.com/iEBW6Ja.png if you're going for piano.
- 00:47:153 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Sidenote making the gradual spacing increase more noticeable would be cool here.
https://i.imgur.com/uD2n9Ep.jpg- 00:56:311 (1,2,3,4,5) - This stream isn't in the sooonnngggg it shouldn't be there.
- 01:00:416 (3,4,5) - Suffers from the same overmapping stuff as the topdiff.
- 01:01:048 (3) - Reverse leaves the stronger vocal on the end of the slider, which isn't consistent with 01:01:837 (8) -
- 01:01:679 (6,7,8,1) - There is syncopation but not where the triple is now, it would make more sense to move it to 01:01:916 -
- 01:04:521 (6) - Pretty sure there should be an NC here?
- 01:06:416 (5,6,7,8,9) - This doesn't exist in the song, I don't think a stream is fitting for this part of the song where intensity is actually decreasing rather than increasing.
- 01:08:548 (2,3) - Similarly unneeded triples as topdiff.
- 01:09:574 (1,2,3) - This just plays weird, white tick triples on downbeats are very situational and play weird even on songs that have them. Considering this doesn't actually exist in the song it would make sense to remove.
- 01:10:837 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - More emphasis on 2 consistently despite 1 being stronger spacing-wise. Would recommend adjusting these to be the opposite.
- 01:12:416 (2,3,4) - No triple here but 01:12:574 (4,6) - looks pretty gross on autostack, consider moving them?
- 01:16:521 (5,6,7,8) - This is a very random-looking flow change, 01:16:995 (8) - doesn't stand out at all and it plays questionably relative to the song considering 01:15:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - is all one paragraph which should use the same jump flow conventionally etc.
- 01:19:679 (1,2,3,4,5) - This rhythm isn't quite what the song is doing either, more accurately:
https://i.imgur.com/tBJbPDl.png- 01:23:311 (4,5,1) - Density increase on a calm section in the song doesn't seem fitting imo, would remove these triples.
- 01:28:521 (6) - Pretty sure an NC should be here?
There's similar overmapping in litoluna's Insane 01:09:258 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:09:890 (6,7,8) - 01:11:153 (2,3,4) - as there is in vellya's Extra: 01:02:942 (1,2,3,4,1) - 01:05:784 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) -
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Still too much overmapping - doesn't fit the song in the kiai sections at all and some questionable emphasis in the kiai as well. I just happened to notice those streams in Cookiezi's diff as well didn't exist in the song so I think that's worth mentioning too. I could have modded the rest but I felt the two mentioned diffs were worth looking at as a more extreme example of why this set isn't ready yet. There is probably a lot more work that could be done on Cookiezi's and vellya's part (idk how but vellya's seems more overmapped than topdiff in parts so..).
As a result I am vetoing this set for now, like all the others, because I feel like it's really necessary to improve this before it gets pushed further. I do realize that there have been many vetoes already, but this is due to you not attempting to reach a compromise and just finding other bns that agree with you. I for one don't think this is a viable tactic, since you will eventually run out of willing bns to bubble this (should be dubbed the "
after rain effect"), so I suggest actually finding a compromise with either myself or some of the prior veto-holding bns. If you are willing, I am always free to be sent a forum PM. I don't have time this week but on the weekend I can see if there's a way for me to help out.
This isn't meant as a personal attack or a bash to you in any way, but I've been following this set for a while since Lasse popped it and I can't consciously let this through.
I hope we can reach an agreement.