15:56 HazeTrance: hey im here now
15:56 Jonawaga: heyy
15:57 Jonawaga: I guess you wanna start the mod
15:57 Jonawaga: let's GO
15:57 HazeTrance: so how does it work
15:57 *Jonawaga is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1109000 S H O K K - You Reposted in the Wrong Neighborhood [Easy]]
15:57 Jonawaga: click there
15:57 Jonawaga: ok thanks
15:57 Jonawaga: 00:00:166 (1,1) -
15:58 Jonawaga: a measure of spinner recovery is required in Normal
15:58 Jonawaga: I recommend you just remove the spinner, since it's the beginning of the map and a little unneccesary
15:58 HazeTrance: sorry what does that mean
15:58 HazeTrance: oh I see
15:58 HazeTrance: yeah that's true
15:58 Jonawaga: spinner recovery = time between spinner and next object
15:59 Jonawaga: Easy = you need 1 measure of spinner recovery
15:59 HazeTrance: yeah there's not really any place to fit that recovery in
15:59 Jonawaga: yeah
15:59 HazeTrance: might just be better to remove it
15:59 Jonawaga: yupp
15:59 HazeTrance: should I do the same for normal too
15:59 Jonawaga: do the same for evary difficulty XD
15:59 Jonawaga: so that they start in the same place
15:59 HazeTrance: ok
16:00 HazeTrance: done
16:00 Jonawaga: thanks
16:00 HazeTrance: just a question is a spinner always necessary
16:00 Jonawaga: uh
16:01 Jonawaga: do you mean having one in each difficulty?
16:01 HazeTrance: well especially lower diffs
16:01 Jonawaga: no, that's not required...
16:01 HazeTrance: ok
16:02 Jonawaga: it's recommended, but we'll get to that when I discuss your ending
16:02 HazeTrance: next?
16:03 Jonawaga: sorry
16:03 Jonawaga: messages in discord xd
16:03 Jonawaga: 00:04:781 (1) -
16:03 Jonawaga: this leads me to belive you're unsure how to use hitsounds
16:03 HazeTrance: yeah I'm not too familiar with them
16:04 HazeTrance: im just gonna redo them
16:04 Jonawaga: oh
16:04 Jonawaga: ...ok
16:04 HazeTrance: I got earlier mods telling me to have clap
16:04 HazeTrance: and I just realized I forgot to remove the whistle
16:04 Jonawaga: ah I see
16:04 HazeTrance: like I have clap mostly on the 2nd and 4th beat
16:04 Jonawaga: yeah
16:04 Jonawaga: that's good
16:05 HazeTrance: if I wanted to put whistle
16:05 HazeTrance: where would I put it
16:05 Jonawaga: the whitsle was my concern
16:05 HazeTrance: do I just forget about whistle altogether
16:05 Jonawaga: for now, yes
16:05 HazeTrance: okok
16:05 Jonawaga: ctrl+a to select all notes,
16:05 Jonawaga: then press "w" twice to remove whistles
16:06 HazeTrance: done
16:06 Jonawaga: that will remome the ugly soung from your sliderbodies
16:06 Jonawaga: awesome!
16:06 Jonawaga: moving right aliong
16:06 Jonawaga: along*
16:06 Jonawaga: 00:05:934 (2,1) - what are you trying to do with this pattern?
16:07 Jonawaga: the shape of the sliders leads me to believe it should be blanketed, yet it's not...
16:07 Jonawaga: so it ends up being kinda ugly
16:07 HazeTrance: yeah I just realized
16:07 HazeTrance: I should blanket
16:07 Jonawaga: yeah!
16:08 Jonawaga: 00:04:781 (1,2) - dragging these around together may help you fix ds if anything happens
16:08 Jonawaga: when you blanket that
16:08 Jonawaga: >w<
16:08 HazeTrance: ok
16:09 HazeTrance: how do I distance snap backwards
16:09 HazeTrance: like if a note I want to snap to is in front
16:09 Jonawaga: oh
16:09 Jonawaga: ctrl+g the pattern
16:09 Jonawaga: then ctrl+g again to switch back
16:09 HazeTrance: o right thats a thing
16:10 Jonawaga: yeap
16:10 Jonawaga: 00:09:397 (3,4) -
16:10 Jonawaga: this is more of a personal suggestion
16:10 Jonawaga: but since (3) isn;t really doing anything,
16:10 Jonawaga: you could make it look cool by blanketing 00:11:127 (4) - this
16:10 Jonawaga: totally optional though
16:11 HazeTrance: idk I just like how the reverse slider leads into it
16:11 Jonawaga: ah ok
16:11 Jonawaga: that's fine too
16:12 Jonawaga: mayb instead...
16:12 Jonawaga: it could blanket the tail of 00:07:088 (1) - this
16:12 Jonawaga: still totally optional though ^^"
16:13 HazeTrance: yeah I could do that
16:13 HazeTrance: that works
16:13 Jonawaga: yay
16:13 HazeTrance: hmm actually just in general ill just look for spots to blanket
16:13 HazeTrance: I dont want to take up too much of your time
16:13 HazeTrance: waiting for me to do all this
16:14 Jonawaga: nah man I live for modding
16:14 Jonawaga: XD
16:14 HazeTrance: are you sure
16:14 Jonawaga: you're fine I've waited much longer on people
16:14 HazeTrance: that's dedication right there
16:14 HazeTrance: you have my respect
16:14 Jonawaga: xd
16:14 Jonawaga: 00:16:320 (1,2) -
16:14 Jonawaga: that flow is questionable
16:14 Jonawaga: maybe have (2) blanket (1) instead of (3)
16:15 Jonawaga: 00:22:088 - the difficulty spikes starting here...
16:16 HazeTrance: (1) is already blanketing the slider end before it
16:16 Jonawaga: http://puu.sh/sijnT/79d326815c.jpg
16:16 HazeTrance: should I just forget about the blanket
16:16 Jonawaga: what I meant
16:17 HazeTrance: yeah I can see that sure
16:17 Jonawaga: it improve the flow 00:16:320 (1,2) - there
16:17 Jonawaga: 00:22:088 - this is a difficulty spike starting here
16:17 Jonawaga: 00:22:954 (3) - start by removing this
16:18 Jonawaga: 00:23:531 (5) - this is the old problem of red tick sliders...
16:19 Jonawaga: it's usually a bad idea to start a slider on a red tick, because the slider start gives the offbeat a weird emphasis
16:19 Jonawaga: sometimes it's okay if a red tick needs emphasis,
16:19 Jonawaga: but not here
16:19 Jonawaga: 00:25:839 (2) - ^ saaaame
16:19 HazeTrance: could I do repeat slider then note
16:20 HazeTrance: instead of note repeat slider
16:20 Jonawaga: screemshot me what you mean
16:20 Jonawaga: screenshot* me what you mean by that
16:21 HazeTrance: hold up let me sign up for puush
16:21 Jonawaga: xd
16:21 Jonawaga: do you mod?
16:21 Jonawaga: yeah, you modded my map
16:21 Jonawaga: with the blankets XD
16:21 HazeTrance: not very good at it but yeah
16:21 HazeTrance: sorry
16:21 Jonawaga: you gotta have puush
16:21 Jonawaga: it's fine man
16:21 Jonawaga: I started modding with hitsounds xd
16:21 Jonawaga: that was 2 years ago
16:22 HazeTrance: ah
16:23 Jonawaga: idk what pattern you're planning there but here's my suggestion
16:23 Jonawaga: http://puu.sh/sijOs/2dd81ad0b3.jpg
16:23 HazeTrance: https://puu.sh/sijPe/d6631762d0.png
16:23 HazeTrance: o
16:23 HazeTrance: ok ill try yours
16:23 Jonawaga: that still uses too much 1/2 in my opinion
16:24 Jonawaga: don't combine 1/2 reverse sliders next to 1/2 click patterns in Easy
16:24 Jonawaga: that's too much >>
16:24 HazeTrance: yeah true
16:24 Jonawaga: and...
16:24 Jonawaga: 00:26:127 -
16:24 Jonawaga: same here
16:24 Jonawaga: 00:29:877 (1) - remove this
16:25 Jonawaga: 00:41:415 (3) - and this
16:25 Jonawaga: the rest of your rhythms look fine
16:25 Jonawaga: now that ending...
16:25 HazeTrance: just in general I should use 1/2 more sparingly right
16:25 Jonawaga: yeah
16:25 HazeTrance: for easy
16:25 Jonawaga: yeah
16:25 Jonawaga: but reverses are fine
16:26 Jonawaga: now about that ending...
16:26 Jonawaga: 00:41:415 (3) -
16:26 Jonawaga: the song doesn't end there?
16:26 Jonawaga: can you show me the full song?
16:26 HazeTrance: yeah it doesnt
16:26 Jonawaga: xd
16:26 HazeTrance: um thats my fault
16:27 Jonawaga: it's fine
16:27 Jonawaga: just lemme see the full song
16:27 HazeTrance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feUSTS21-8
16:27 Jonawaga: owo
16:27 HazeTrance: felt like I could get away with it since the novelty of the mashup starts to wear off
16:27 HazeTrance: doesnt sound as nice as this section
16:28 Jonawaga: ok well I think it's a problem
16:28 Jonawaga: I mean maybe it's ok?
16:28 Jonawaga: I've never dealt with this before
16:28 HazeTrance: yeah true
16:28 Jonawaga: in osu, you can add something called kiai time to emphasize the main part of a song
16:28 Jonawaga: like the chorus/refrain
16:28 HazeTrance: yeah
16:29 Jonawaga: your cut is kinda awkward because you stopped right before the part where you would add kiai to
16:29 Jonawaga: usually when you make a cut
16:29 Jonawaga: you stop mapping after the kiai
16:29 Jonawaga: lemme ask someone
16:29 HazeTrance: I think I'll just recut
16:30 HazeTrance: put it after the chorus
16:30 Jonawaga: ok
16:31 HazeTrance: how do I save irc
16:31 HazeTrance: so I dont miss anything
16:32 HazeTrance: are you gonna post everything after for kudosu
16:32 Jonawaga: ./savelog
16:32 HazeTrance: ok
16:32 Jonawaga: I post this though
16:33 HazeTrance: uh since im probably gonna take more time to work on it later since I have to map new sections
16:33 HazeTrance: is there anything else specifically
16:33 Jonawaga: yeah def
16:33 Jonawaga: we just finished EAsy
16:33 Jonawaga: we still have normal and HArd
16:33 HazeTrance: yeah lets do that
16:33 Jonawaga: I'm asking a BN friend about your cut :3
16:34 Jonawaga: clear the whitsles on every diff
16:34 HazeTrance: nah its ok im just gonna redo it anyways
16:34 HazeTrance: what you said made sense
16:34 HazeTrance: its not that bad now that I look back
16:35 HazeTrance: done
16:35 HazeTrance: there was another person who felt that my cut was weird
16:35 HazeTrance: thats probably what they meant
16:36 Jonawaga: im asking a BN just hold yer horses
16:36 Jonawaga: you made it fadeout right?
16:36 HazeTrance: o k
16:36 HazeTrance: yes
16:37 Jonawaga: your normal is like an advanced...
16:37 HazeTrance: yeah
16:38 HazeTrance: i based my namings off star rating tbh
16:38 HazeTrance: probably bad idea
16:38 Jonawaga: oh
16:39 Jonawaga: like what I said on EAsy
16:39 Jonawaga: you need to reduce 1/2
16:39 Jonawaga: a lot
16:39 Jonawaga: 00:11:704 (2,3) - and is this overlap necesary?
16:40 HazeTrance: uh
16:40 HazeTrance: it looks ugly but
16:40 HazeTrance: I think I want to emphasize that note
16:40 HazeTrance: how would I go about doing it
16:40 Jonawaga: that's not how overlaps are done lol
16:41 HazeTrance: wait
16:41 HazeTrance: OOPS
16:41 HazeTrance: im looking at easy
16:41 HazeTrance: my bad
16:41 Jonawaga: it's fine
16:41 Jonawaga: lol
16:42 HazeTrance: like
16:42 HazeTrance: between the two sliders?
16:42 Jonawaga: yeah
16:42 HazeTrance: uh I guess not really
16:42 Jonawaga: yeah lol
16:42 HazeTrance: I just liked the shape and the distance snap made it happen that way
16:42 Jonawaga: remove it if you can
16:42 Jonawaga: awh
16:43 Jonawaga: "I like the shape" isn't an excuse
16:44 Jonawaga: no matter how much you like burai sliders they will never be rankable >w<
16:44 Jonawaga: not that this is burai
16:45 Jonawaga: BTW you can keep the cut if you want :3
16:45 HazeTrance: wait which cut
16:45 HazeTrance: o really
16:45 Jonawaga: if you want lul
16:45 Jonawaga: but you sounded like you wanted to change it
16:45 HazeTrance: interesting
16:45 Jonawaga: I won't stop you either way
16:45 HazeTrance: idk
16:45 Jonawaga: did you fix overlap?
16:46 HazeTrance: i think ill redo it
16:46 Jonawaga: the whole diff?
16:46 HazeTrance: there might be people who want to hear it with the chorus
16:46 HazeTrance: who knows
16:46 HazeTrance: sorry not redo
16:46 Jonawaga: oh
16:46 HazeTrance: like add on
16:46 Jonawaga: I see
16:46 Jonawaga: OH
16:46 Jonawaga: the best idea for your ending
16:46 Jonawaga: is to gather opinions
16:47 HazeTrance: https://puu.sh/sillv/16bed30647.png
16:47 HazeTrance: does this work
16:47 HazeTrance: but (3) is blanketing
16:47 HazeTrance: blanketed*
16:47 Jonawaga: not bad
16:47 Jonawaga: idk how that ds is working but not bad
16:49 HazeTrance: ds is 1.0x except between the short sliders
16:49 HazeTrance: which is 0.4x
16:49 Jonawaga: I meant with your puush
16:49 Jonawaga: how are you gonna get 00:12:281 (3,4) - that going well
16:50 Jonawaga: anyway
16:50 HazeTrance: o
16:50 HazeTrance: I mean
16:50 HazeTrance: I was just focusing on that part
16:50 Jonawaga: I'm not gonna go in depth here, you really need to remove 1/2 patterns here
16:50 HazeTrance: ill adjust everything accordingly
16:50 HazeTrance: where?
16:51 Jonawaga: like the whole diff tbh
16:51 HazeTrance: short sliders?
16:52 Jonawaga: normals are supposed to be based in like 50% 1/2 and 50% 1/1 at most in this bpm...
16:52 HazeTrance: even if I renamed advanced would it still be too much
16:52 Jonawaga: naw
16:52 Jonawaga: this is a perfect advanced
16:52 HazeTrance: interesting
16:52 Jonawaga: the problem isn't your mapping, just your spread
16:52 HazeTrance: I see
16:52 Jonawaga: I mean
16:52 HazeTrance: does that mean my hard diff is more like insane
16:53 HazeTrance: sort of?
16:53 Jonawaga: nah
16:53 Jonawaga: hard is strange...
16:53 HazeTrance: would this current spread be rankable if I put advanced
16:54 HazeTrance: or should I add another normal
16:54 Jonawaga: I mean
16:55 Jonawaga: Easy is good
16:55 Jonawaga: Normal is like Advanced
16:55 Jonawaga: it could simplified to Normal, but making another Normal would be more Easy
16:55 HazeTrance: yeah
16:56 Jonawaga: notice the star difference between Normal and Hard is kinda small
16:56 Jonawaga: it's like .7 harder
16:56 Jonawaga: some mappers leave a looot of a gap between those two
16:56 HazeTrance: yeah
16:56 Jonawaga: and have to make an Advacned to make up for it
16:57 Jonawaga: your Normal is currently acting like an Advanced like that
16:57 HazeTrance: or maybe I can change easy
16:57 HazeTrance: to beginner
16:57 Jonawaga: no keep easy
16:57 HazeTrance: then make a normal
16:57 HazeTrance: om
16:57 HazeTrance: ok
16:57 Jonawaga: just make a normal
16:57 HazeTrance: alright
16:58 Jonawaga: and hard
16:58 Jonawaga: uh I'm not very good as we go up in difficulty lol
16:58 HazeTrance: yeah I dont blame you
16:58 HazeTrance: harder to judge when its low bpm
16:59 Jonawaga: you hard has many overlaps
16:59 Jonawaga: and like no cool patterns ;w;
16:59 Jonawaga: not that patterns are that important
16:59 HazeTrance: can I have an example
16:59 Jonawaga: it just makes me upset
16:59 HazeTrance: 00:22:089 (3,4,5,6,1) -
16:59 HazeTrance: I thought this was cool :(
17:00 Jonawaga: actually
17:00 Jonawaga: 00:22:089 (3,4,5,6,1) - this is messy
17:00 Jonawaga: 00:22:666 (5,6) - why are these so close??
17:00 Jonawaga: that's bad spacing
17:00 HazeTrance: idk I tried to emphasize (1)
17:01 Jonawaga: you can do that with out breaking spacing
17:01 HazeTrance: when I played it didnt seem too bad but thats just me
17:01 Jonawaga: hmm
17:01 Jonawaga: this why I say I could be wrong
17:01 HazeTrance: like I want to REALLY emphasize (1)
17:02 HazeTrance: do you think I could stack (5) and (6) or no
17:02 Jonawaga: ok welll
17:02 HazeTrance: I tried to but it didnt look good visually
17:03 Jonawaga: my point is that emphasizing 00:23:242 (1) - this has nothing to do with your spacing 00:22:666 (5,6) - here
17:03 Jonawaga: 00:22:666 (5,6) - this is toooo smalll
17:04 Jonawaga: and in general
17:04 Jonawaga: overlap less
17:04 HazeTrance: ok
17:04 Jonawaga: since you asked for an example
17:04 Jonawaga: 00:05:358 (4,5,6,7,8) -
17:04 Jonawaga: 00:08:243 (3,4,1) -
17:05 HazeTrance: uh huh
17:05 HazeTrance: also back to 00:22:666 (5,6) -
17:05 Jonawaga: yeap
17:05 HazeTrance: should I match the spacing so its more like the rest of the pattern
17:06 HazeTrance: 00:22:089 (3,4,5) - like these
17:06 Jonawaga: idk how to explain spacing >>
17:06 Jonawaga: spacing is so tricky omg
17:06 Jonawaga: just a sec
17:06 HazeTrance: ok
17:07 Jonawaga: http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/422706/start=15
17:07 Jonawaga: look at waht monstrata posted about spacing ^^"
17:08 Jonawaga: I've been wrong about spacing before, so his exaplanation is probably better than mine
17:08 Jonawaga: if it seems like stiff you already know, then just ignore it and move on.......
17:09 HazeTrance: I think it would be better if I saw it from someone who regularly plays 3 star maps
17:09 Jonawaga: omg
17:09 HazeTrance: since this type of thing might not be comfortable to them
17:09 Jonawaga: I can play 3 star maps...
17:09 Jonawaga: oh
17:09 HazeTrance: hey
17:09 Jonawaga: you mean like it's there skill level
17:09 HazeTrance: yeah
17:09 Jonawaga: ok I might as well share with you a mouse testplay...
17:10 Jonawaga: omg
17:10 Jonawaga: it played just fine for me OWO
17:10 Jonawaga: it still seems like a mistake
17:11 HazeTrance: yeah I know
17:11 HazeTrance: thats my problem
17:11 HazeTrance: it always looked sort of weird but I cant help it if it plays right personally you know
17:11 Jonawaga: xd
17:11 HazeTrance: is there another way I can do this
17:11 Jonawaga: well
17:11 Jonawaga: more than just this one thing will play correctly haha
17:12 HazeTrance: yeah
17:13 Jonawaga: ok well it does play a liiittle awkwaardly
17:13 HazeTrance: https://puu.sh/simYr/e117fde84d.png
17:13 HazeTrance: what about this
17:13 Jonawaga: better
17:13 Jonawaga: didn't you want to emphasize 1 though?
17:14 HazeTrance: yeah its emphasized I think
17:14 HazeTrance: actually nvm
17:14 HazeTrance: I'll need to move (1) really far out
17:14 HazeTrance: does that work
17:15 Jonawaga: idk
17:15 Jonawaga: maybe...
17:15 HazeTrance: https://puu.sh/sin7W/a08aece152.png
17:15 Jonawaga: 00:22:954 (6) - stack with 00:22:089 (3) - that
17:15 HazeTrance: yes no?
17:16 Jonawaga: that could work too
17:16 HazeTrance: oh yeah that works
17:16 Jonawaga: either works
17:16 Jonawaga: a few other comments from my tp...
17:17 Jonawaga: 00:20:934 (1,2) - this flow is nasty
17:17 HazeTrance: should I curve them?
17:17 Jonawaga: 00:20:358 (5,1,2) - and it overlaps
17:17 Jonawaga: no, it's not a circular flow issure
17:17 Jonawaga: it's more like
17:18 HazeTrance: visually?
17:18 Jonawaga: 00:21:512 (2) - climbing over this slider is really awkward, and then turning backwards to play it is worse owo
17:18 Jonawaga: 00:26:704 (7,8,9,1) - that overlap is stupid
17:19 Jonawaga: 00:29:156 - you missed a beat there ;w;
17:19 HazeTrance: how do I see overlaps better
17:19 HazeTrance: should I just turn down ar
17:19 Jonawaga: uhm
17:19 Jonawaga: in this case you shouldn't need to see it better lel
17:20 Jonawaga: http://puu.sh/sinp7/e6f1999b13.jpg\
17:20 Jonawaga: there it is
17:20 Jonawaga: I actually recommend you raise your AR to 7
17:20 Jonawaga: that's more typical for hards
17:20 HazeTrance: hmm ok
17:20 HazeTrance: I thought since I have low bpm
17:20 HazeTrance: I should have lower ar
17:20 Jonawaga: that's nice thinking, but not in this case
17:21 HazeTrance: ok
17:21 Jonawaga: just play the map and decide which ar works with it
17:21 Jonawaga: if you're unsure get opinions
17:21 HazeTrance: will do
17:21 HazeTrance: yep
17:21 Jonawaga: ok, summary before I leave...
17:21 Jonawaga: Easy -> Good
17:21 Jonawaga: Normal -> Good as an Advanced, too hard for Normal
17:22 Jonawaga: you should probably start from scratch there
17:22 HazeTrance: ok
17:22 HazeTrance: thanks for everything
17:22 Jonawaga: Hard -> hard to tell difficultywise, because the overlaps are distracting
17:23 Jonawaga: and flow problems in hard blah blah blah
17:23 HazeTrance: yeah yeah
17:23 Jonawaga: I guess I'll stop there then
17:23 Jonawaga: Hope fully this helped youuu :3
17:23 HazeTrance: ok
17:23 HazeTrance: thanks!