Trapalicious wrote:
I don't really wanna write too much because these kinds of things go on eternally.
I'm just using "you" in the general way, referring to Cookiezi. It's natural he'd claim it's 100% preference to downplay the fact a mouse player overtook his rank. Angel being #1-2 doesn't really mean much besides that he's just that good, he doesn't change the 'rule'. The rule being reaching that level of skill with a mouse is much harder or time consuming. Like assuming this does an okay job at listing the top mouse users, there's around 50ish give or take in the top 1000, and then the numbers drop off hard.
The numbers drop off hard? I don't think there is any proof of that, that spreadsheet doesn't list every mouse user so you cant really use it to analyse the population of players. Even so I found its the opposite of what you said using that spreadsheet.
147/5146 = 2.9% of users use mouse in the top 5146
50/1058 = 4.7% of users use mouse in the top 1058
10/93 = 10.7% of users use mouse in the top 93
The number of mouse players increase rather than drop off as you consider a higher skill level group of players
Also i believe cookiezi said that "its just preference" because people kept annoying him about angel becoming #1 and he couldn't just say "can just shut up"
Trapalicious wrote:
Tablets offer 1:1 positioning, they're just inherently more accurate for static interfaces because of this. I keep saying static because someone would go "then whys there no tablet Quake players if theyre so good??? xd". You're not gonna find an artist which seriously draws with a mouse without just sketching first then going over with pen-tool for line art, because it's horrible trying to do smooth lines with a mouse.
1:1 position is an advantage, but tablets also have a higher latency (as discussed before) and are not really designed with swift movements in mind which puts them at about the same level of potential as mouse.
Secondly the reason why tablet is completely superior for artists is because their pen control is 99% of the time far better since most of them have been drawing a lot on paper before they draw digital. Secondly many artists need to be able to draw on computer and on paper so using a single type of peripheral is way more convenient. Since artists and Osu players have completely different situations I don't its fair to imply tablet is superior to mouse using this example.
Again could you explain more in depth why tablet is more precise? Just cause they are made for static interfaces isn't proof in itself.
Trapalicious wrote:
Yeah mice vary, but only because people have different hands. I use palm-grip with a small mouse because I have small hands. Dpi/shape/xyz doesn't change the flaws/advantages of a mouse. Top mouse players switch to tablet, but do top tablet players ever switch to mouse permanently?
When I said there is a range of dpi that are acceptable and compared that to tablet vs mouse my point was that mouse falls in the range of acceptable peripherals. When you are in a range of acceptable dpi you can go up or down within that range and your hand can adjust its movements without noticeably losing much of its potential accuracy. Same goes for mouse vs tablet, there is a certain range of drag/weight that is optimal. This range also differs from player to player which adds even more to the "its just preference" argument.
The number of players not saying they switched to mouse is best explained by this post from reddit
"I personally believe this is a motivation issue for a big part.
At some point all players hit a skill ceiling, and obviously they'd like to get past it. So, people start looking for ways to improve other than to "play more".
One of these attempts is switching to a tablet. When they do switch, regardless of whether or not they play better, they will keep playing with a tablet because they won't want to admit wasting money.
It also makes the game fun again, since it's a new challenge and something to learn, but not as frustrating as starting from scratch.
Forward a few weeks and they start improving, because they started playing more. This again makes them play more, because improving is fun.
Most top players will have gone through such an episode. That's why most top players play with a tablet."