Go Ichinose - Mizuumi [CatchTheBeat] · forum

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-02-11T10:17:56+00:00

@sxy62146214 - I prefer a little direction change there to emphasise the pitch change. It would be a bit plain for my liking as a simple curve

No changes from me, but thanks for the suggestion!

Sc4v4ng3r

1,232 posts

Joined August 2014

Sc4v4ng3r 2017-02-25T09:16:03+00:00

Just a quick mod before I icon, set looks really great lol

[Hyperion's Cup]

00:03:386 (2) - Might sound quite nitpicky but after this slider the piano sound at this note's repeat(which is repeated throughout the whole song until the chorus) doesn't get emphasized at all. I would suggest you to break this slider down into 2 circles, each at 00:03:386 - and 00:04:011 - respectively as you look like you are following the drums later on anyways.

[Salad]

00:16:199 (1) - Remove NC for consistency
00:22:761 (4,1) - Doesn't quite feel like a dash tbh. And even if this was intended, the previous section(at 00:08:074 (1) - ), which had a similarly pitched piano with this, had a dash, so it goes off consistency. You should add one here.
00:37:761 (4,1) - Same like above, you should add a dash here.
00:38:542 - Why not add a slider like you did at 00:23:542 (2) - ? The kick here is again prominent so it could be a nice addition.
00:46:199 (1) - You didn't add NC after the 1/12 slider(at least for the majority) so remove NC.
Kiai is perfect however, I like the way you fixed the movements

[Platter]

00:42:683 (1,1) - Why not try to place the slider more to the left? Right now the banana's stream is towards the left, so if players were staying at the left side for more score, they will have to do a farther dash than the other slider dashes - which could be quite hard to do.

Call me back.

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-02-25T11:01:23+00:00

@Sc4 - fixed, thanks for the suggestion

Cup

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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Topic Starter

Xinnoh 2017-02-25T11:41:40+00:00

Sc4v4ng3r wrote:
Just a quick mod before I icon, set looks really great lol

[Salad]
00:16:199 (1) - Remove NC for consistency k
00:22:761 (4,1) - Doesn't quite feel like a dash tbh. And even if this was intended, the previous section(at 00:08:074 (1) - ), which had a similarly pitched piano with this, had a dash, so it goes off consistency. You should add one here. Done
00:37:761 (4,1) - Same like above, you should add a dash here. same
00:38:542 - Why not add a slider like you did at 00:23:542 (2) - ? The kick here is again prominent so it could be a nice addition. fixed + ctrl-h'd everything after it again
00:46:199 (1) - You didn't add NC after the 1/12 slider(at least for the majority) so remove NC. k
Kiai is perfect however, I like the way you fixed the movements idk what I changed but i did stuff
[Platter]
00:42:683 (1,1) - Why not try to place the slider more to the left? Right now the banana's stream is towards the left, so if players were staying at the left side for more score, they will have to do a farther dash than the other slider dashes - which could be quite hard to do. Missed that because changes of previous sections change bananas, fixed
Call me back.

Should mention that JBH did an irc with me.
Didn't respond to salad mod above, but fixed all.

irc

2017-02-11 18:18 Sinnoh: ok then
2017-02-11 18:19 Sinnoh: since sk4v asked for more opinions on platter patterns, are they fine
2017-02-11 18:21 JBHyperion: let's see
2017-02-11 18:23 JBHyperion: hmm
2017-02-11 18:24 JBHyperion: I don't really have an issue with the patterns as far as difficulty goes, but it does feel a bit repetitive when you make every 1/3 spacing a dash
2017-02-11 18:24 Sinnoh: mm
2017-02-11 18:24 JBHyperion: also 00:09:792 (5,1) - could be considered hyper into antiflow - Fixed this
2017-02-11 18:25 Sinnoh: the song is repetitive though
2017-02-11 18:25 JBHyperion: yeah, tha's why you need to vary your patterns to make it interesting xD
2017-02-11 18:26 JBHyperion: the spacing is that weird kind of distance where it's walkable, but only if you have good timing that players at this level of difficulty probably wont have - It's literally all just tapping dash to the beat, players of the hard diffs in any other mode are capable of that
2017-02-11 18:26 Sinnoh: i've got vertical sliders and changing angles and all kinds of stuff how can it be more interesting
2017-02-11 18:26 JBHyperion: maybe by not making all of 00:17:449 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - vertical sliders
2017-02-11 18:26 Sinnoh: i didn't think anyone was going to be walking these - Went with a deconstruction star approach to changing mapping style, there's enough variation between moving left and right + I think the direction they're moving in also expresses the music, 00:18:074 (3,1) - direction change for snare, introducing pattern so keep simple 00:21:199 (1) - both 1,2,3 melodies sound the same so same pattern used 00:24:949 (1) - the direction follows the music pitch, more right = lower pitch 00:29:949 (2) - same
2017-02-11 18:28 Sinnoh: this was originally made when my rank would let me farm this diff if the set gave pp, so diff isn't too bad
2017-02-11 18:28 JBHyperion: yeah you do use different slider angles, but not in conjunction with each other
2017-02-11 18:28 Sinnoh: that's the point
2017-02-11 18:28 Sinnoh: I should probably scatter the vertical sliders a bit more so they all aren't back to back - mentioned above, applies to stuff below
2017-02-11 18:28 JBHyperion: if the point is to have a super repetitive map then I guess it does the trick
2017-02-11 18:29 JBHyperion: you can change stuff like 00:10:886 (1) - 00:14:636 (1) - etc. to be different because of the drum sound
2017-02-11 18:29 JBHyperion: maybe a larger distance, more horizontal, direction change, etc.
2017-02-11 18:30 Sinnoh: why can't anyone else suggest things

2017-02-11 18:34 Sinnoh: this diff is actually really easy to play dt
2017-02-11 18:35 JBHyperion: if anyone has "good dt farm" as the primary reason for nominating a map
2017-02-11 18:35 JBHyperion: then I'll kick them in the nuts

Sc4v4ng3r

1,232 posts

Joined August 2014

Sc4v4ng3r 2017-02-25T12:20:40+00:00

We added/fixed some hitsounds across all difficulties and also did minor changes to each difficulty.

chat log

2017-02-25 19:52 Sc4v4ng3r: alright let me just do a quick check on all the difficulties then ill bubble
2017-02-25 19:52 Sinnoh: sweet
2017-02-25 19:54 Sc4v4ng3r: is it fine if i post some stuff on cup here? jbh is offline right now soo
2017-02-25 19:54 Sinnoh: he's probably available if I summon him
2017-02-25 19:55 Sc4v4ng3r: hm
2017-02-25 19:55 Sc4v4ng3r: it's just a hitsound issue though, maybe you can just ask him for permission to change?
2017-02-25 19:55 Sinnoh: i did hitsounds for him
2017-02-25 19:55 Sc4v4ng3r: o then ok
2017-02-25 19:55 Sinnoh: so yeah i'll do
2017-02-25 19:56 Sc4v4ng3r: 00:03:386 (2) - probably when he changed this with my mod hitsound got inconsistent or something, should be finish
2017-02-25 19:56 Sc4v4ng3r: whistle definitely doesnt fit here
2017-02-25 19:57 Sinnoh: lol
2017-02-25 19:57 Sinnoh: also, for stuff like 00:08:074 (1) - should i include clap on the tail
2017-02-25 19:58 Sc4v4ng3r: yea definitely, provided that the kick actually lands on the tail
2017-02-25 20:00 Sinnoh: 00:17:449 (1) - also fixed
2017-02-25 20:01 Sinnoh: actually just fixing lots of stuff
2017-02-25 20:01 Sc4v4ng3r: aight cool
2017-02-25 20:02 Sc4v4ng3r: i dont know why i couldnt notice this when i modded this previously
2017-02-25 20:02 Sc4v4ng3r: xD
2017-02-25 20:04 Sinnoh: updated
2017-02-25 20:06 Sc4v4ng3r: cup's good now, salad as well
2017-02-25 20:06 Sc4v4ng3r: just a little thing on platter though, shouldnt 00:17:449 (1) - this have a hyper?
2017-02-25 20:06 Sinnoh: no
2017-02-25 20:06 Sinnoh: 00:44:636 (3) -
2017-02-25 20:06 Sinnoh: tail no clap
2017-02-25 20:06 Sc4v4ng3r: im deaf ;)
2017-02-25 20:09 Sinnoh: yeah fixed the hyper
2017-02-25 20:09 Sc4v4ng3r: alrighty
2017-02-25 20:12 Sinnoh: just fixing some inconsistent stuff on the 1/12 slider tails
2017-02-25 20:12 Sc4v4ng3r: sure
2017-02-25 20:13 Sinnoh: updated, there's a lot more finishes in the kiai area on jbh's diff for some reason though
2017-02-25 20:13 Sinnoh: probably just less note density, thus need finishes to express music or something
2017-02-25 20:15 Sc4v4ng3r: hm probably yea
2017-02-25 20:15 Sc4v4ng3r: your rhythm and his rhythm is quite different so i cant complain

Everything looks cool so lets go.
Bubbled~

Electoz

1,886 posts

Joined May 2015

Electoz 2017-02-25T12:28:38+00:00

[Hyperion's Cup]

00:58:699 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - Kinda dull for having 6 sliders in a row, actually in kiai you usually started every measure with either a 1/1 repeat slider + circle or a 2/1 slider + circle so I was expecting those rhythms here.
01:02:449 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:04:949 (1,2,3,4,5) - mm you used the exactly the same rhythm between these two measures, not that it's a problem but I'm just asking whether this is intentional cuz you made a rhythm variation earlier on 00:47:449 (1,2,3,4) - 00:49:949 (1,2,3,4,5) but not here.

[Salad]

00:46:199 (2,3,4) - In Platter, you used a different rhythm between 00:46:199 (1,2,3,4) - 00:46:824 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) because the latter one has a denser rhythm, so I would like to see the same kind of rhythm simplification in Salad as well, would be better if 00:46:199 (2) - 00:46:824 (4) are mapped with a different rhythm.
Mainly my concern is how you emphasize 00:04:324 (1) - 00:11:824 (1) - 00:15:574 (1) - etc (there's more but the rhythm is repetitive so you get the idea). In Platter you made hyperdashes on these rhythms, but in this difficulty I don't know what is your intention on these objects as some of them aren't even a dash yet some are, stuff like 00:11:511 (4,1) is clearly walkable and a dash is definitely required for 00:22:761 (4,1) so I expect more consistency in terms of spacing emphasis on these objects.

[Platter]

Just a personal taste but having to dash these 00:19:011 (3,1) - 00:22:761 (3,1) - 00:26:511 (3,1) - 00:30:261 (3,1) to the left 4 times in a row feels kinda repetitive, in other sections 00:02:449 - 00:32:605 there are mixes between left and right but not the section I brought up. You can easily Ctrl+H some sets of the objects in this section 00:17:449 to fix this though it's optional and not a must to fix so I’ll leave that to you.

Popped due to conflicted timing lines settings in all difficulties, you can put red and green lines in the same place but apart from SV you have to keep the same settings between these lines. For instance, in cup you have conflicted volumes at 00:02:449 and then conflicted kiai settings at 00:47:449 so yeah you have to recheck those red and green lines again.
Feel free to ask me if I worded anything unclear and feel free to call me back once you done the fixes.

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-02-26T11:55:29+00:00

Whoops, my bad for not noticing the timing point conflicts. Should be fixed now.

Varied the first suggestion with some slider > circle replacements. For the second, 00:49:324 (4) - and 00:51:824 (4,5) - are noticeable different sounds, whereas 01:04:324 (4,5) - 01:06:824 (4,5) - aren't, so in the second case I mapped the the same way. To add some variety though, I added a circle at 01:06:980 for a more "intense" finale, if you can call a Cup that lol.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Cup

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574,937.5,4,2,1,20,1,0
574,-80,4,2,1,20,0,0
1511,-100,4,2,1,30,0,0
2449,937.5,4,2,1,50,1,0
5574,-100,4,2,1,35,0,0
6199,-80,4,2,1,50,0,0
7136,-100,4,2,1,50,0,0
13699,-100,4,2,1,50,0,0
17449,-80,4,2,1,50,0,0
18386,-100,4,2,1,50,0,0
47449,312.5,4,2,1,60,1,1
47449,-200,4,2,1,60,0,1
66824,-200,4,2,1,50,0,1
67449,937.5,4,2,1,20,1,0
67449,-100,4,2,1,30,0,0
68386,-100,4,2,1,20,0,0
69324,-100,4,2,1,10,0,0
70261,-100,4,2,1,5,0,0


[Colours]
Combo1 : 255,57,57
Combo2 : 228,228,0
Combo3 : 187,93,0

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Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-02-26T12:27:53+00:00

Electroz wrote:
[Salad]

00:46:199 (2,3,4) - In Platter, you used a different rhythm between 00:46:199 (1,2,3,4) - 00:46:824 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) because the latter one has a denser rhythm, so I would like to see the same kind of rhythm simplification in Salad as well, would be better if 00:46:199 (2) - 00:46:824 (4) are mapped with a different rhythm.
This is already the case, Normal kiai rhythm pattern:

Area where rhythm changes as you mentioned at 00:49:949 (1) - & 00:59:949 (1) -

The rhythm pattern changes to map the change in rhythm density.
Mainly my concern is how you emphasize 00:04:324 (1) - 00:11:824 (1) - 00:15:574 (1) - etc (there's more but the rhythm is repetitive so you get the idea). In Platter you made hyperdashes on these rhythms, but in this difficulty I don't know what is your intention on these objects as some of them aren't even a dash yet some are, stuff like 00:11:511 (4,1) is clearly walkable and a dash is definitely required for 00:22:761 (4,1) so I expect more consistency in terms of spacing emphasis on these objects. There were dashes initially, but MBomb asked me to remove them because this created too many dashes for a salad.
[Platter]

Just a personal taste but having to dash these 00:19:011 (3,1) - 00:22:761 (3,1) - 00:26:511 (3,1) - 00:30:261 (3,1) to the left 4 times in a row feels kinda repetitive, in other sections 00:02:449 - 00:32:605 there are mixes between left and right but not the section I brought up. You can easily Ctrl+H some sets of the objects in this section 00:17:449 to fix this though it's optional and not a must to fix so I’ll leave that to you. Mentioned in the above mod but this is the only set of notes that has the music go downwards in pitch at the NC, this reflects that.
Popped due to conflicted timing lines settings in all difficulties, you can put red and green lines in the same place but apart from SV you have to keep the same settings between these lines. For instance, in cup you have conflicted volumes at 00:02:449 and then conflicted kiai settings at 00:47:449 so yeah you have to recheck those red and green lines again.
Feel free to ask me if I worded anything unclear and feel free to call me back once you done the fixes. Fixed all, SVs, Kiais and volumes are now consistent, unused timing points are gone.

Last edited by Xinnoh 2017-03-01T11:48:11+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Electoz

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Electoz 2017-03-01T06:28:11+00:00

Electroz wrote:
[Salad]

00:46:199 (2,3,4) - In Platter, you used a different rhythm between 00:46:199 (1,2,3,4) - 00:46:824 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) because the latter one has a denser rhythm, so I would like to see the same kind of rhythm simplification in Salad as well, would be better if 00:46:199 (2) - 00:46:824 (4) are mapped with a different rhythm.
00:46:199 (1,2,3,4) - 00:46:824 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) These timestamps are meant for what I'm referring in Platter, my point is about the rhythms on 00:46:199 (2,3,4) in salad, your reply is not related to what I mentioned in any way whatsoever so I assume you're misunderstanding something?
Mainly my concern is how you emphasize 00:04:324 (1) - 00:11:824 (1) - 00:15:574 (1) - etc (there's more but the rhythm is repetitive so you get the idea). In Platter you made hyperdashes on these rhythms, but in this difficulty I don't know what is your intention on these objects as some of them aren't even a dash yet some are, stuff like 00:11:511 (4,1) is clearly walkable and a dash is definitely required for 00:22:761 (4,1) so I expect more consistency in terms of spacing emphasis on these objects.
Discussed with MBomb and he said you misunderstood his point, he wanted you to make these dashes consistent between Salad and Platter(basically the same thing I mentioned in the mod) so yes please make your dashes in Salad more consistent.

Not gonna give a bubble back unless you fix these issues or give me a good enough explanation to convince me.
Call me again once you're done so I can recheck.

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-03-01T12:03:02+00:00

My bad, my computer doesn't let me click on timestamps, so I just scroll to the general area and go from there.

Electroz wrote:
Electroz wrote:
[Salad]

00:46:199 (2,3,4) - In Platter, you used a different rhythm between 00:46:199 (1,2,3,4) - 00:46:824 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) because the latter one has a denser rhythm, so I would like to see the same kind of rhythm simplification in Salad as well, would be better if 00:46:199 (2) - 00:46:824 (4) are mapped with a different rhythm.
00:46:199 (1,2,3,4) - 00:46:824 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) These timestamps are meant for what I'm referring in Platter, my point is about the rhythms on 00:46:199 (2,3,4) in salad, your reply is not related to what I mentioned in any way whatsoever so I assume you're misunderstanding something? Added a small 1/6 stream, should be fixed.
Mainly my concern is how you emphasize 00:04:324 (1) - 00:11:824 (1) - 00:15:574 (1) - etc (there's more but the rhythm is repetitive so you get the idea). In Platter you made hyperdashes on these rhythms, but in this difficulty I don't know what is your intention on these objects as some of them aren't even a dash yet some are, stuff like 00:11:511 (4,1) is clearly walkable and a dash is definitely required for 00:22:761 (4,1) so I expect more consistency in terms of spacing emphasis on these objects.
Discussed with MBomb and he said you misunderstood his point, he wanted you to make these dashes consistent between Salad and Platter(basically the same thing I mentioned in the mod) so yes please make your dashes in Salad more consistent. i'll get help from mb later cause I'm still lost - (Update below)
Not gonna give a bubble back unless you fix these issues or give me a good enough explanation to convince me.
Call me again once you're done so I can recheck.

Second point continued 6/3/17:
Ok so couldn't find a time to discuss with MBomb, but I think I now have a clearer picture of what can be done.
Putting a dash on all of them creates far too many dashes for a salad, so I'm avoiding that. I currently like how currently there are only dashes on the higher pitched/unique chimes. So instead of adding/removing dashes, I've changed platter's slider shapes at 00:23:074 (1) - 00:30:574 (1) - and 00:38:074 (1). I'm now only using dashes on spots where there are the unique sliders for high pitched chimes. It's different enough from the other sections to justify a dash in salad.
00:08:074 (1) - Has a dash on salad, but I haven't changed the slider shape in platter because flow would be killed

Electoz

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Electoz 2017-03-10T08:30:08+00:00

Rebubbled!

Sc4v4ng3r

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Sc4v4ng3r 2017-03-11T05:19:47+00:00

Just a little thing on platter, 01:00:574 (2) - this distance feels a little bit ambiguous cause it is lower than the similar note at 00:50:574 (3) - . I'm aware that this is lower pitched but the ambiguity might throw players off. Would give it a little more distance.

Fix this then I'll come back after like 3 hours to qualify the map.

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-03-11T07:12:38+00:00

fixed that
cleaned up droplets at 00:50:105 (2,3) -
salad 01:06:824 (3) - added stuff
and fixed a lot of hitsounds

Sc4v4ng3r

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Sc4v4ng3r 2017-03-11T08:41:55+00:00

Pikachu I choose you! ~~wait wrong person why pikachu~~

Qualified~

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-03-11T16:22:12+00:00

https://youtu.be/kL5DDSglM_s?t=45s

JBHyperion

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JBHyperion 2017-03-11T19:46:06+00:00

It's a word meaning lake.

Ascendance

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Ascendance 2017-03-12T07:15:32+00:00

Just took a look at the top diff, rest seems okay:

platter has this antiflow hyperdash in it at 00:32:136 (5,6,1) -. Not sure if it's intended but it's unrankable so

Could make a case for 00:57:136 (2,1) - as well, but it's not that bad I guess.

Just on a stylistic note, from 00:17:449 (1) - to 00:30:261 (3) - is all vertical sliders which is honestly quite boring. You could at least tilt a couple (not as much as you did in later sections, but enough to make it noticeable as well as make a slight direction change) and make it more dynamic to play. Not to mention they're all pretty much the same pattern and they all end on the same side of the screen :\

There's also several spots in which notes could be added to add a bit more contrast from the lower diffs.

Examples:

00:15:886 -
00:23:542 - (on ones like these, you could just do a circle because of the spinner recovery/entry rule)
00:31:042 -

In the kiai time, some of the rhythms you use are inconsistent. For example, you use circle + 1/1 at 00:47:449 (1,2) - , but at 00:48:074 (3) - the strong sound is on a slider end (which is bad), or cases like 00:52:449 (1,2,3) - where the 1/1 starts on something I don't really recognize from your previous rhythms.

Gonna request a DQ on the basis of the above, but I'm more than happy to rescind it if it can be explained. The diff is actually quite nice and fun overall, but just some general quality concerns caused me to post here. Good luck!

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-03-13T01:31:30+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
Just took a look at the top diff, rest seems okay:

platter has this antiflow hyperdash in it at 00:32:136 (5,6,1) -. Not sure if it's intended but it's unrankable so Was going to do some bs about how flowing to the direction it came from =/= antiflow, but after going through some of the replays it seems that it did kill one or two combos there. Did a ctrl-g at 00:32:449 (1) - and just moved the rest of it to the right.
Could make a case for 00:57:136 (2,1) - as well, but it's not that bad I guess. this one's fine, antiflow is before the dash.

Just on a stylistic note, from 00:17:449 (1) - to 00:30:261 (3) - is all vertical sliders which is honestly quite boring. You could at least tilt a couple (not as much as you did in later sections, but enough to make it noticeable as well as make a slight direction change) and make it more dynamic to play. Not to mention they're all pretty much the same pattern and they all end on the same side of the screen :\ 00:23:074 (1) - Changed flow so this is on the right side, but I've already explained why I'm keeping this section as such above.

There's also several spots in which notes could be added to add a bit more contrast from the lower diffs.

Examples:

00:15:886 - Yeah that's way better
00:23:542 - (on ones like these, you could just do a circle because of the spinner recovery/entry rule) keeping consistent
00:31:042 - ^
In the kiai time, some of the rhythms you use are inconsistent. For example, you use circle + 1/1 at 00:47:449 (1,2) - , but at 00:48:074 (3) - the strong sound is on a slider end (which is bad), or cases like 00:52:449 (1,2,3) - where the 1/1 starts on something I don't really recognize from your previous rhythms. Different sections different rhythm. Synths are more important to map imo, as they're more unique than the other strong sounds. In the second section you mentioned, the only thing playing is the piano which is far too dense rhythm wise to follow. Current rhythm is the only thing I can see that works.

Gonna request a DQ on the basis of the above, but I'm more than happy to rescind it if it can be explained. The diff is actually quite nice and fun overall, but just some general quality concerns caused me to post here. Good luck!

Dq so I can fix the antiflow, ty.

JBHyperion

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JBHyperion 2017-03-13T03:36:02+00:00

DQ as per mapper request.

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-03-13T04:24:42+00:00

fixed up, ready to try again.

side note, 00:09:167 (4) - added a circle on platter

~~wait a sec, gotta wait for the bss to fix itself .-.~~
BSS fixed, lets do this

Sc4v4ng3r

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Sc4v4ng3r 2017-03-13T07:58:14+00:00

Ye let's go again.

Rebubbled~

Electoz

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Electoz 2017-03-14T10:17:15+00:00

Qualified!

Xinnoh

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