ztrot wrote:
okay, 1st off approach rate 10 with a overall diff of 7 shouldn't of been ranked and the fact it was overlooked by both the MAT and the BAT is
a disappointment. 2ndly when the mapper acts like a child and trys to take shortcuts when mapping and avoids mods with little reason to do so does piss me off. The fact that this map was ranked seems like to me someone just wanted to stop the bitching and really I find that pathetic.
If something anything is questionable you can hold off to improve now I know what you are going to say "but ztrot maps would get nowhere!"
this is where common sense falls in to place. If there is more than 4 or 5 BATs/experienced mappers going this isn't a good idea chances are it isn't but all that was ignored and for what to appease someone for a few secs of fame? I won't play this map ever except to give it the lowest of the low ratings, because of the way this mapper handled himself around this map and thread makes me sick he isn't even trying to be part of a community he did nothing but refuse till he got what he wanted not a great way to do things but we allow it so why not right? Would it of killed him to lower the map to ar 9 heavens no it wouldn't of but he had his head stuck so far up the place that doesn't shine to even think it might of been okay. not only does ar 10 break one of the mechanics of hard rock it just looks plain bad, I hope this map is used as a example of what not to do from this point on because I sure as hell am going to push for silly things like this to be deemed unrankable ar 10 is pointless.
Now on to Shiirn what the heck man? two days ago you weren't giving a inch did you really just give up to stop the bitching to let him have his way?
Shiirn I have lost a bit of respect for you just sayin.
We all know there're AR10 map like big black & airman are really incredible, Does these map kill somebody? Apparently opposite to that, players ARE happy to see these "VERY HARD MAPS" which can perform their skills, arn't they?
Do we need AR10? if it is a normal map with approx 160 or 180 bpm and seldom streams i will think ar10 is unrankable but please, it is 220bpm with deadly stream, and AR10 can make the sense.
Mappers have their right to set the difficulties, and more, what a modder should do is to help the mapper to make a map GOOD but not FORCE mapper to follow their personal opinion which against mappers' will which is just different understanding of a map or music.
As garven said before, because of the power of MATs and BATs, some mapper has been used to follow XATs' thinking but now theirs, and only make a map RANKABLE but not good enough. That's not a good tendence, and all of us should do something to avoid but not push it.
that's all.
btw: imo, every time saying that is a good map or not, it's better to play through it and feel it, but not just open editor and have a fast glance. the parameters are dead but the map is alive for playing, Mappers make map for players to play, that's the purpose.