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t+pazolite - Kanon-Kanon

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Shiirn
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sunday, May 22, 2011 at 10:27:31 AM

Artist: t+pazolite
Title: Kanon-Kanon
Tags: Unlimited Spark Pachelbel canon D major rokodo
BPM: 90
Filesize: 5306kb
Play Time: 02:54
Difficulties Available:
  1. Hard (4.6 stars, 347 notes)
  2. Normal (2.87 stars, 201 notes)
  3. Roko-Don's Taiko (5 stars, 1114 notes)
  4. Ultimate Spark (4.77 stars, 630 notes)
Download: t+pazolite - Kanon-Kanon
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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UGUUUUUUUUU
jjrocks
Great map, has a lot of potential, I hope for the best here is a star~ <3 ♥.
(I also talked to you on vent about it)
Medi-chan_old
IRC mods attached, and Star because.

[Normal]

02:29:162 (4) - move this one grid down
02:54:466 (1) - Even if it's just something like this --> http://puu.sh/1x6K I'd like to see this slider curve.

That's really all I can say about this diff Shiirn.

Download: IRC Mods for Kanon-Kanon.zip
Zelos
KD and a normal star!
Rokodo
Star.
aevv_old
found both insanes boring compared to tkillers, felt like the spacing and streams were just placed randomly
Topic Starter
Shiirn

aevv wrote:

found both insanes boring compared to tkillers, felt like the spacing and streams were just placed randomly
I'm not going for absurdity.
Garven
Zelos:
02:09:727 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - This crap is ass-rape.

Otherwise, mostly <3
aevv_old

Shiirn wrote:

aevv wrote:

found both insanes boring compared to tkillers, felt like the spacing and streams were just placed randomly
I'm not going for absurdity.
or fun?

[zelos]
01:29:945 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - im not a fan of this pattern but could go either way on it
^same to the horizontal mirror of it
01:59:162 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - stream doesnt fit here at all
02:09:727 (5) and onwards double spacing for no real reason, considering how there are already a couple large jump sections in the song and how easy the same beat leading toward it is, doesnt fit at all to me, might even say absurd? ^_^
02:26:423 (5) - ^same

overall the consistency of difficulty is bad imo

[spark]
01:17:423 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i try and i try but i cant see how, from both playing it and listening to it how a 1/4 stream works here, plays and sounds dumb to me
^ same applies to all other sections a 1/4 stream is on the same sound

rest was easy and unexciting

thx cya
Topic Starter
Shiirn

aevv wrote:

or fun?

[zelos]
01:29:945 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - im not a fan of this pattern but could go either way on it
^same to the horizontal mirror of it
01:59:162 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - stream doesnt fit here at all
02:09:727 (5) and onwards double spacing for no real reason, considering how there are already a couple large jump sections in the song and how easy the same beat leading toward it is, doesnt fit at all to me, might even say absurd? ^_^
02:26:423 (5) - ^same

overall the consistency of difficulty is bad imo This is for zelos to deal with.

[spark]
01:17:423 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i try and i try but i cant see how, from both playing it and listening to it how a 1/4 stream works here, plays and sounds dumb to me
^ same applies to all other sections a 1/4 stream is on the same sound Noted and denied.

rest was easy and unexciting

thx cya
Thanks for the mod. I don't know why you seem to think I was insulting you, but to each his own.
Omega
after a very early IRC mod and a later go-over. I can say this map is great. :D

Zelos's difficulty needs less spinners and more breaks, though. Or at least, I think.


Star anyway.
OnosakiHito
My favorite Taiko map from now on. Star.
Lanttu
[Ultimate Spark]
Veeeery nazi but....
01:31:771 (4) - One grid (lvl 4) right, the spacing between (3) and (4) is one grid wider than before in this combo, heh~

[Zelos]
02:51:075 (3,4) - Repeat arrows are kind of hidden... ;_;

..Aaand that's all, looks good<3 No kudosu to useless mod~ :'3
lolcubes
As usual, green stuff = ignore if you wish, cosmetic opinions and nazi.

[General]:
  1. Fix the tags tab in all diffs. It should contain guest diff's creators.
[Ultimate Spark]:
  1. Stack leniency is set to 0.4 on this diff. Either match it with other diffs or make other diffs match this one.
  2. 02:33:597 - Two timing sections around this point, one of them is unnecessary. End the kiai here and make one of them sit on this timeline and remove the other one.
  3. 02:34:640 - After this point your timing sections aren't snapped correctly.
  4. 02:54:466 - Around this point also 2 timing sections where one is completely unnecessary.
[Zelos]:
  1. General: This diff has lots of "lazy" sliders. Tripoint and stretched so they look shabby. Ignore this if you wish though, it's just my inner nitpick self talking here.
  2. 01:16:249 - Add a note here. If you feel that you shouldn't have continuous note bashing, remove slider 01:14:032 (8) and add a circle instead, leaving a hole before the next combo or remove a circle 01:18:336 (10).
  3. 01:43:510 - 02:00:205 - I recommend using slower sliders for this section. 0.5 or 0.75.
  4. 01:57:075 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Use soft soundset for this imo. This doesn't really fit.
  5. 02:00:205 (1) - Use whistle instead of a finish. That finish isn't noticeable at all and makes it sound empty, unlike the whisle which was used here quite alot.
  6. 02:33:532 - This timing section serves no purpose. Remove it. You can remove the kiai on next one.
  7. 02:34:640 - This volume change makes the spinner "explode" while spinning. A bit startling, suggesting to remove it.
  8. 02:41:814 - Add a note here. Same deal as above.
  9. 02:54:466 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - I suggest to remove this completely and make a DRRRRRR slider instead. 230 bpm 1/4 stream is too hard if you ask me, unless you're tkiller.
[Hard]:
  1. 00:44:036 (4) - I think new combo would be better here than on the next note. It makes it easier to read due to color change and it's a big white tick (also a new music section starts here).
  2. 00:52:036 (4) - Similar reason (big white tick, music) for a new combo here.
  3. 01:02:703 (7) - ^
  4. 02:33:532 - This timing section is unnecessary. You can end the kiai on the next one which is just next to this one. If you think you want to end kiai right at this spot, then you can delete the section next to this since it doesn't really change anything.
  5. 02:53:945 (4,1) - (nazi) 1 grid right.
[Normal]:
  1. 00:28:036 - 00:38:036 - This section has only default hit sound. Ignore this if this is intentional, else I suggest whistles just like you were using them until this point, or to make it different add it in the first and the fourth white tick.
  2. 02:14:814 - 02:23:162 - Same deal as above. Disregard the 1st and 4th tick suggestion though.
  3. 02:33:597, 02:33:629 - Two timing sections here, just like in the other 2 diffs I mentioned. Delete one of them, I suggest to delete the one at 02:33:629.
  4. 02:34:640 - There should be a timing section here instead of at 02:34:673. Not a huge deal but it does change the volume 1/8 too late.
  5. 02:35:684 - Also, put the timing section which is almost 1/8 late on this point. This one is a big deal because it messes up your custom hitsound setup.
Just ignore stuff you don't want to change (nazi for example) but I do think most of the stuff needs changing.
\o
Topic Starter
Shiirn

lolcubes wrote:

As usual, green stuff = ignore if you wish, cosmetic opinions and nazi.

[General]:
  1. Fix the tags tab in all diffs. It should contain guest diff's creators.
Also added the source music.

[Ultimate Spark]:
  1. Stack leniency is set to 0.4 on this diff. Either match it with other diffs or make other diffs match this one.
  2. 02:33:597 - Two timing sections around this point, one of them is unnecessary. End the kiai here and make one of them sit on this timeline and remove the other one.
  3. 02:34:640 - After this point your timing sections aren't snapped correctly.
  4. 02:54:466 - Around this point also 2 timing sections where one is completely unnecessary.
All fixed.

[Zelos]:
  1. General: This diff has lots of "lazy" sliders. Tripoint and stretched so they look shabby. Ignore this if you wish though, it's just my inner nitpick self talking here.
  2. 01:16:249 - Add a note here. If you feel that you shouldn't have continuous note bashing, remove slider 01:14:032 (8) and add a circle instead, leaving a hole before the next combo or remove a circle 01:18:336 (10).
  3. 01:43:510 - 02:00:205 - I recommend using slower sliders for this section. 0.5 or 0.75.
  4. 01:57:075 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Use soft soundset for this imo. This doesn't really fit.
  5. 02:00:205 (1) - Use whistle instead of a finish. That finish isn't noticeable at all and makes it sound empty, unlike the whisle which was used here quite alot.
  6. 02:33:532 - This timing section serves no purpose. Remove it. You can remove the kiai on next one.
  7. 02:34:640 - This volume change makes the spinner "explode" while spinning. A bit startling, suggesting to remove it.
  8. 02:41:814 - Add a note here. Same deal as above.
  9. 02:54:466 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - I suggest to remove this completely and make a DRRRRRR slider instead. 230 bpm 1/4 stream is too hard if you ask me, unless you're tkiller.
[Hard]:
  1. 00:44:036 (4) - I think new combo would be better here than on the next note. It makes it easier to read due to color change and it's a big white tick (also a new music section starts here).
  2. 00:52:036 (4) - Similar reason (big white tick, music) for a new combo here.
  3. 01:02:703 (7) - ^
  4. 02:33:532 - This timing section is unnecessary. You can end the kiai on the next one which is just next to this one. If you think you want to end kiai right at this spot, then you can delete the section next to this since it doesn't really change anything.
  5. 02:53:945 (4,1) - (nazi) 1 grid right.
All of the above done.

[Normal]:
  1. 00:28:036 - 00:38:036 - This section has only default hit sound. Ignore this if this is intentional, else I suggest whistles just like you were using them until this point, or to make it different add it in the first and the fourth white tick.
  2. 02:14:814 - 02:23:162 - Same deal as above. Disregard the 1st and 4th tick suggestion though.
  3. 02:33:597, 02:33:629 - Two timing sections here, just like in the other 2 diffs I mentioned. Delete one of them, I suggest to delete the one at 02:33:629.
  4. 02:34:640 - There should be a timing section here instead of at 02:34:673. Not a huge deal but it does change the volume 1/8 too late.
  5. 02:35:684 - Also, put the timing section which is almost 1/8 late on this point. This one is a big deal because it messes up your custom hitsound setup.
All of the above fixed, the timing sections were due to an offset issue.

Just ignore stuff you don't want to change (nazi for example) but I do think most of the stuff needs changing.
\o
Thank you.
Saten
Normal
02:54:466 (1) - Add Finish in the end?

Ultimate Spark
01:05:487 (1) - is this unsnapped on purpose? o.o

Roko-Don's Taiko
just took a look at what AIMod had to say,
00:19:368 (1) - Unsnapped
00:20:368 (1) - ^
01:12:856 (1) - ^
01:12:986 (1) - ^
01:13:117 (1) - ^

Here's my star for my imouto-chan :3
Zelos

aevv wrote:

found both insanes boring compared to tkillers, felt like the spacing and streams were just placed randomly
I have no idea what tkillers even looks like.
Zelos
I'm not going for absurdity.[/quote]
or fun? really now?

[zelos]
01:29:945 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - im not a fan of this pattern but could go either way on it this is fine in my opinion.
^same to the horizontal mirror of it
01:59:162 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - stream doesnt fit here at all this is not an attack on shiirn but you didn't see his streams it looks like.
02:09:727 (5) and onwards double spacing for no real reason, considering how there are already a couple large jump sections in the song and how easy the same beat leading toward it is, doesnt fit at all to me, might even say absurd? ^_^ you do realize most of the jumps were much bigger than the spacing used to make these half note jumps?
02:26:423 (5) - ^same ^same

overall the consistency of difficulty is bad imo you are gonna have to explain this MUCH more better.

[spark]
01:17:423 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i try and i try but i cant see how, from both playing it and listening to it how a 1/4 stream works here, plays and sounds dumb to me
^ same applies to all other sections a 1/4 stream is on the same sound

rest was easy and unexciting go away.

thx cya[/quote]
Zelos

lolcubes wrote:

As usual, green stuff = ignore if you wish, cosmetic opinions and nazi.

[Zelos]:
  1. General: This diff has lots of "lazy" sliders. Tripoint and stretched so they look shabby. Ignore this if you wish though, it's just my inner nitpick self talking here.
  2. 01:16:249 - Add a note here. If you feel that you shouldn't have continuous note bashing, remove slider added a note. it did sound kind of better. 01:14:032 (8) and add a circle instead, leaving a hole before the next combo or remove a circle 01:18:336 (10).
  3. 01:43:510 - 02:00:205 - I recommend using slower sliders for this section. 0.5 or 0.75. why?
  4. 01:57:075 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Use soft soundset for this imo. This doesn't really fit. i think shiirns hitsound sections are just fine.
  5. 02:00:205 (1) - Use whistle instead of a finish. That finish isn't noticeable at all and makes it sound empty, unlike the whisle which was used here quite alot. i did try this at one point and it didn't sound pretty at all.
  6. 02:33:532 - This timing section serves no purpose. Remove it. You can remove the kiai on next one. i shall leave that up to shiirn
  7. 02:34:640 - This volume change makes the spinner "explode" while spinning. A bit startling, suggesting to remove it. ^Same
  8. 02:41:814 - Add a note here. Same deal as above. okoi.
  9. 02:54:466 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - I suggest to remove this completely and make a DRRRRRR slider instead. 230 bpm 1/4 stream is too hard if you ask me, unless you're tkiller.
I would if i could break the BPM slider speed up rule. also my non-streamy self hit that stream just fine.

Just ignore stuff you don't want to change (nazi for example) but I do think most of the stuff needs changing.
\o
updated my diff with lolcubes mods.

Download: t+pazolite - Kanon-Kanon (Shiirn) [Zelos].osu
Topic Starter
Shiirn
Will update when i get home, MAY remove the streams, or replace them with clever sliders.
aevv_old

Mystearica wrote:

Maps aren't ranked based on how good they are anyway.
lolcubes

Zelos wrote:

[*]01:43:510 - 02:00:205 - I recommend using slower sliders for this section. 0.5 or 0.75. why?
Because that section is kinda quiet and having sliders of standard speed feels a bit brutal to me. Don't worry about it though, I'm just saying what I think here, it's not wrong or anything. :3
Mismagius

aevv wrote:

found both insanes boring compared to tkillers, felt like the spacing and streams were just placed randomly
this. :(

Only if you could ask TKiller to use his diff instead of yours.
Zelos

lolcubes wrote:

Zelos wrote:

[*]01:43:510 - 02:00:205 - I recommend using slower sliders for this section. 0.5 or 0.75. why?
Because that section is kinda quiet and having sliders of standard speed feels a bit brutal to me. Don't worry about it though, I'm just saying what I think here, it's not wrong or anything. :3
I completely respect that but I just don't like the idea though.
Zelos

aevv wrote:

Mystearica wrote:

Maps aren't ranked based on how good they are anyway.
You have yet to actually get a ranked map and some actual kudosu to be posting that aevv.

Now go away.
Rokodo
aevv_old

Zelos wrote:

You have yet to actually get a ranked map and some actual kudosu to be posting that aevv.

Now go away.
i give my opinion as a player and you flame me for not being a mapper

enjoy having a bad ranked map, since that's all that matters to you stat whores
Natteke

Zelos wrote:

You have yet to actually get a ranked map and some actual kudosu to be posting that aevv.

Now go away.
Hoho u mad. Well, can I post then? I have some kudos and some ranked maps!

At least credit TKiller for using bg and mp3 from his map ???
Also I suggest using AR9 on Ultimate Spark because clusterfucks of circles and sliders are ugly.
Topic Starter
Shiirn

Natteke wrote:

At least credit TKiller for using bg and mp3 from his map ???
Also I suggest using AR9 on Ultimate Spark because clusterfucks of circles and sliders are ugly.
A) I talked with him, he doesn't give two half-squirrel's nuts (I used a different MP3 anyway)
B) I'll consider AR9, thanks.


And Zelos, be quiet.
Mafiamaster
[Normal]
01:21:335 (2,3) - Space farther away from each other.

[Ultimate Spark]
02:08:553 (1) - Hidden.
02:16:901 (1) & 02:25:249 (1) are somewhat hidden as well.
I suggest rearranging some of the patterns in the Kiai Time section. Seeing 02:26:292 (1,2,3,4,5,6) three times in a row can get a bit repetitive.
02:54:466 (1) - Remove all that finish spam from this slider (except from the very end). Also it's hidden by the hitbursts.
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