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Youtube Comment Sections Part1: Woman giving birth

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Railey2
I am not going to link the video here, but you can see the URL in one of the screenshots. Keep in mind that the video is
a) not pornographic, but of medical nature which is also why it is allowed on youtube
b) neither linked nor posted on this site

thanks for your consideration, mods.



Introduction: How this series came to be
(skip if uninterested)
SPOILER
I was hanging out with a couple of friends tonight and in one of our half drunken/high conversations we discussed the stuff that turns up on Youtube. Obviously, with a site this big, you will be able to find basically everything, but one thing is still strictly banned: Porn.

Turns out there is one case where explicit nudity is tolerated though, and that is medical videos.

Now. As the discussion went on, we were wondering if there were people watching these medical videos who were actually getting turned on by them, aka using women giving birth on youtube (or similar) as their go-to porn.

Curiosity got the better of me, so I followed through and read through lots of comments.

I found many interesting things in the comment section, so I decided to make this into a series where I shed some light on what people reveal to us under the cloak of partial anonymity. This series is not supposed to be about the porn-parts, but rather about comment-sections in general.


Description of the video

a woman is giving birth. She is in a medical environment, with nurses to her aid. The to-be mother is in a lot of pain, but is able to finish the process during the 7 minutes long video.
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Moving on to the comment section (its fucking messy)
In this thread, I will mostly focus on what the women (aka 95% of the serious posters) had to say. Most of the other comments were trolls getting their kicks from provocation, or just people that joked around. Neither is particularly interesting. Here it goes!

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- Pain


Most of the commentators were afraid to go through the same pain. Opinions on whether the pain is worth it differed greatly, but most women seemed averse to the idea of giving birth. This is not surprising, as the video can be quite shocking.



- Hypocrisy regarding sympathy


Some of the women complained about a lack of sympathy from men, which often resulted in them wishing for men to suffer from the same pain. Trying to achieve sympathy through inflicting excruciating pain on 50% of the population (which is one of the most unsympathetic acts I've ever heard of), seems a bit hypocritical to me, but these people were generally unable to see the irony. If you want more sympathy, this is not the way to go. Putting someone through horrible pain because "that'll teach them", is a very questionable method.
Wishing for everyone to suffer instead of nobody to suffer is a very sick and twisted way to satisfy ones desire for justice.



- The "miracle" of childbirth


I can get behind calling life (or consciousness, rather) a miracle, but most people seemed to comment on the process of pushing the baby out.
Many people called childbirth a miracle. A miracle is something unnatural that can not be explained in any rational way. Childbirth is probably one of the most un-miraculous things there is, as it is one of complex life's very cornerstones, and it is also one of the things that has been explained most thoroughly. If you think of that as magical, everything can be called a miracle.



- Denial of a very ugly reality


Many comments stated that the video was beautiful to watch. I disagree. I personally don't enjoy people screaming their lungs out, and I'm sure the people that commented also don't enjoy bingewatching the latest ISIS-execution videos. However, seeing this woman suffering for 7 minutes, bleeding, squirming, begging for it to stop..
Childbirth isn't pretty.

The comment above is particularly amazing, because you can see the conflicting ideas so clearly (unnoticed by the crowd).
1) Childbirth is not nice looking
2) Childbirth is beautiful to see

People don't like facing ugly realities, so they tend to start rationalizing, denying or ignoring them instead, as that is easier than admitting that (for example) childbirth is both disgusting and horrifying to watch. There is blood, screaming, pain, and a present risk of giving birth to a corpse.
The beautiful part may follow after the process of giving birth is completed though. But it is definitely not the process itself.



- Respect


There were many calls for respect. While I can get behind the idea that putting yourself in pain for someone else's benefit (or general self-sacrifice), is something worth respecting, I don't think that it quite applies to childbirth.
If the mother planned her pregnancy, you can assume that it is something that she really, really desired, in which case the pain is a calculated disadvantage that she accepted for herself to get to the better parts (raising the child, supposedly).
If she didn't plan it, the situation changes drastically. Being in pain because of an accident isn't something that is generally respected. You get sympathy for it, unless it was a really stupid accident, but not respect. Unless, you are able to cope with big continuous amounts of pain in a fascinatingly good manner. If that is something that can be applied to childbirth is questionable, as most women seem to cope with it exceptionally well.




tl;dr: People in this comment section were generally pain-averse, lacked sympathy, thought of the most natural process as miraculous, were in denial over a very ugly reality, and had strange ideas about respect.




Thats about all! Going into the underlying mechanics behind each of these behavioral patterns would take a much longer time, so I'm not going to do that. It's interesting enough to share these insights. Discuss!

You can recommend videos for the next part if you have something interesting too.

I also commented once on YT. You get 10 points if you can find my comment. Don't watch if you're under 18 though, there is a female part in the video and you will literally die when you see it while not being at least 18.


Bonus:
OzzyOzrock
What
Topic Starter
Railey2
oh shit i was prepared for one-liner replies but that was just one word
Zain Sugieres
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Rilene


Women should feel men's pain too by this logic.
And at least both gender has different type of pains and issues.
Zain Sugieres
Oh also the Polish government wants to completely ban abortion even if birth is dangerous to woman or child or both, fun times.
Topic Starter
Railey2
please discuss the topic, not a cheap joke i made to poke fun at unreasonable puritan censorship.
Stefan
The fact you basically give a crap for YouTube comments is reason enough to move it to OT. I will look for the thread when I have more time left.
Topic Starter
Railey2

Zain Sugieres wrote:

Oh also the Polish government wants to completely ban abortion even if birth is dangerous to woman or child or both, fun times.
that is fucked up, but not relevant to the topic at hand.

Stefan wrote:

The fact you basically give a crap for YouTube comments is reason enough to move it to OT. I will look for the thread when I have more time left.
Stefan, my man. Don't get distracted by where I took the comments from. Remember that I gave my best to ignore the trolling/joking comments. What's left are authentic people sharing their genuine thoughts and feelings on the matter. I don't believe that it matters from where that stems.

Many of the sentiments shared in these comments, you'd expect to see IRL as well.
Jordan
Railey, I don't want to defend the majority of the people in the comment section because I think they are retarded too, but are you on the spectrum? This is a serious question
Topic Starter
Railey2

Jordan wrote:

Railey, I don't want to defend the majority of the people in the comment section because I think they are retarded too, but are you on the spectrum? This is a serious question
I might be. There were some things I did as a child that hinted at the possibility of me having Asperger-Syndrome (then again, that goes for many many children). I behave in certain ways today that hint at the possibility too (which again, goes for many people that are completely healthy as well).

If I do have it, it is a very mild case, my social life is generally not affected from it and I don't really have a reason to care or do anything about it. Keep in mind that forums are very different from RL, and assumption that are based on how someone acts here, can be very shaky.

Personally I think that I'm not on the spectrum. I'm way too socially competent for that. What about you though, Jordan? Are you on the spectrum?
BaraWolf
ummmmmm
Rilene

SveltColt332 wrote:

ummmmmm
Any comments or thoughts about these types on comments in such youtubes videos?
Jordan

Railey2 wrote:

Jordan wrote:

Railey, I don't want to defend the majority of the people in the comment section because I think they are retarded too, but are you on the spectrum? This is a serious question
I might be. There were some things I did as a child that hinted at the possibility of me having Asperger-Syndrome (then again, that goes for many many children). I behave in certain ways today that hint at the possibility too (which again, goes for many people that are completely healthy as well).

If I do have it, it is a very mild case, my social life is generally not affected from it and I don't really have a reason to care or do anything about it. Keep in mind that forums are very different from RL, and assumption that are based on how someone acts here, can be very shaky.

Personally I think that I'm not on the spectrum. I'm way too socially competent for that. What about you though, Jordan? Are you on the spectrum?
No, I'm not... I just find threads like these extremely pointless, and the thought of someone wasting more than an hour on observating and analyzing the behavior of people on youtube feels kinda... strange?
Dear_DHK
It is good that you are trying to talk about these things. I will however point out that your conclusion (the tl:dr part, I will presume) is a leap of logic.
Topic Starter
Railey2

flamschmit wrote:

It is good that you are trying to talk about these things. I will however point out that your conclusion (the tl:dr part, I will presume) is a leap of logic.
I wasn't trying to infer anything with the tl;dr, I just listed the observations that stood out the most in the end. There is no final conclusion, if you will. I never got to that part.
BaraWolf

Rilene wrote:

SveltColt332 wrote:

ummmmmm
Any comments or thoughts about these types on comments in such youtubes videos?
Not really but the only thing I have to say about this is "What the heck. Why do you must tell everyone in the comments that you want to have a baby?.
thats Kinda weird"
Topic Starter
Railey2
it's relevant because of the context that the video provides, no? I don't think that there is anything strange about it.

Anyway, I haven't read many comments lately so I couldn't continue with the series. I'd really like to waste my time on one of these threads again....
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