Naoki Miki(CV.Takahashi Rie) & Ebisuzawa Kurumi(CV.Ozawa Ari

Lami

1,756 posts

Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Lami 2016-12-16T10:41:07+00:00

oop, fixed problem x_x

Rizia

3,114 posts

Joined January 2012

Rizia 2016-12-16T10:54:03+00:00

its fine now
bubbled

sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2017-01-30T02:27:42+00:00

make sure you disable all widescreen support.

thzz
00:28:435 (2,4) - almost overlapped
01:44:080 (1) - no need to nc imo

lasse
00:05:370 - i think you should use a single slider ending here. since you are following vocal for intro the reverse slider seems weird
00:06:983 (3) - break it down?idk why you use this pattern
01:01:822 (1,1,1) - sv is way too big compared to previous objects.ik the song is more intense but 2.8x and 3.2x is too big...
01:27:306 (1) - dont get why you use a slow sv here instead of a circle.
also 00:26:338 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - flow is very very hard unlike 01:43:758 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -

karia
00:20:693 (1,2,3,4) - snap to 1/4 as all other diffs do, the sound here is bit vague but 1/4 seems better and more friendly, also for consistency.
01:38:112 (1,2,3,4) - same

other diffs are fine. pop because of unsnap, feel free to call me back for rebubble~

also mod this: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/562600

thzz

579 posts

Joined May 2012

thzz 2017-01-30T05:55:02+00:00

My Angel Azusa wrote:
thzz
00:28:435 (2,4) - almost overlapped fix
01:44:080 (1) - no need to nc imo i think this nc is necessary to express very strong sound here. also, i feel it's easier to count circles on the stream in current way.

thank you~

http://puu.sh/tGmyv/1f011f0245.osu

lolia

1,356 posts

Joined May 2012

lolia 2017-01-30T06:10:37+00:00

thanks for modding/

SPOILER

osu file format v14

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[Metadata]
Title:Unhappy End World
TitleUnicode:アンハッピーエンドワールド
Artist:Naoki Miki(CV.Takahashi Rie) & Ebisuzawa Kurumi(CV.Ozawa Ari)
ArtistUnicode:直樹美紀(CV.高橋李依)&恵飛須沢胡桃(CV.小澤亜李)
Creator:Lami
Version:Karia's Extra
Source:がっこうぐらし！
Tags:school live gakkou gurashi! naoki miki ebisuzawa kurumi curi _c_u_r_i_ Yuria Misure thzz Lasse Kagetsu intoon Karia
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Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

3,596 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-01-30T09:02:24+00:00

pop to graveyard lol

My Angel Azusa

My Angel Azusa wrote:
make sure you disable all widescreen support.

lasse
00:05:370 - i think you should use a single slider ending here. since you are following vocal for intro the reverse slider seems weird yeah that works
00:06:983 (3) - break it down?idk why you use this pattern the whole intro only puts click on vocals while passively mapping guitar so this makes sense. vocal is only on head
01:01:822 (1,1,1) - sv is way too big compared to previous objects.ik the song is more intense but 2.8x and 3.2x is too big...consider this is 1x base sv so it's the same as 1.4 and 1.6 at 2x base. also music intensity goes up so suddenly that I think "sudden" feeling sliders are great. and with how the sliders are shaped you don't really have to follow them very closely either
01:27:306 (1) - dont get why you use a slow sv here instead of a circle. vocal + low pitch guitar. think it is a great way to emphasize the drastic change here and didn't see anyone break from misreading it o:
also 00:26:338 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - flow is very very hard unlike 01:43:758 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - rotated the first part of it slightly to lead better into next, though for me personally the first seems easier to play when I testplay lol

thanks!
also did some minor colorhax to make some things stand out more and added a few subtle normal sliderwhistles to the 00:25:531 (1) - and 01:35:208 - parts and some other slider hitsounds
+ kiai reset for 01:17:951 -

d

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ArtistUnicode:直樹美紀(CV.高橋李依)&恵飛須沢胡桃(CV.小澤亜李)
Creator:Lami
Version:Lasse's Extra
Source:がっこうぐらし！
Tags:school live gakkou gurashi! naoki miki ebisuzawa kurumi curi _c_u_r_i_ Yuria Misure thzz Lasse Kagetsu intoon Karia
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sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2017-01-30T12:14:13+00:00

let's try

Cryptic

551 posts

Joined December 2013

Cryptic 2017-01-31T06:28:15+00:00

Heyo! I saw your map this evening and wanted to go over a few things before this can get fully pushed for rank.

[General]

As it currently stands, your spread isn't ready for rank. Theres a slightly larger than normal gap from the Normal to Hard (which can be fixed pretty easily with some spacing nerfs on the Hard) and a fairly large gap between the Insane and Hard that requires a diff inbetween them. I personally would also like to see another diff between the Insane and Lasse's extra, but that isn't as important as the two aforementioned points.

[Easy]

01:04:402 (2,1) - This pattern is a bit weird for an easy, mainly because it requires a 90 degree movement change between rhythms. Maybe try reshaping/repositioning 01:05:693 (1) - to flow smoother out of 01:04:402 (2) - ?
I find a lot about 01:27:951 (2,3,1) - that weird. You primarily follow the vocals, which land 01:28:757 - but you ignore them here, creating an interesting pattern that not only is uncommon among easy diffs, but is unique to this point in the map. I'd find a compromise here to make things more intuitive for the player.
01:31:499 (4,1) - If you have a literal stop here, why didn't you also have one 00:11:499 (1,2,3) - there? Doesn't it seem to make more sense on a part with practically no sound?
01:43:757 (4,1) - Make the slider point to the next note to make it more intuitive for the player to find as there is a large rhythmic gap between them.

[Hard]

00:01:015 (1) - to 00:08:918 (1) - Whats going on with the spacing in here? And the structure? I don't really know where to begin. Whats the concept here? Theres a lot of flow changes and spacing changes...
00:16:015 (1,2,1) - This is pretty awkward flow for a hard, you have to change your cursors momentum to hit the slider and then follow through that slider. Additionally, 00:15:047 (1,1) - is deceptive spacing as until now 1/1 has been spaced and 1/2 has been stacked on slider head/tail. The stacking issue is fine in later parts of the map but it feels out of place here due to previous patterning.
00:18:112 (2,4) - This is one of the only places where you stack your circle underneath a slidertail almost right after that slidertail appears. It's not exactly easiest pattern to read for players either, and the spacing (2>3 having larger spacing) from 3>4>5>1 is a bit odd as well.
00:27:951 (4,5) - 00:30:532 (4,5) - 00:33:112 (4,1) - 00:38:274 (4,1) - etc - consistency?
00:30:854 (5) - Based off the slider tail here you'd expect to go right but deny that expectation by going left, maybe rework that?
00:34:725 (1,2,3,4) - This is the only place this pattern appears, and its not really a common concept on a hard, whats your rationalization here?
00:52:467 (4,1) - Similar flow problem as mentioned earlier.
01:14:725 (1,2,3,4) - Why the perfect stacks?
01:27:306 (1,2,3) - This all looks like the same rhythm but is in fact two different rhyhtms, why is that?
01:35:208 (1,3) - Previous
01:44:080 (4,1) - Completely unexpected circle location, why not just stack it on the slider end or something? What makes this spot different? Ending note?
You need to make the spacing more uniform overall and focus more on a consistent flow to bring this closer to the Normal diff and make the E>N>H spread more solid. This is one of the most problematic diffs at the moment in my opinion.

[Light Insane]

Make one to bridge the gap between the Hard and Insane.

[thzz]

Okay please, you ignore the guitar at 00:05:845 - and then map it 00:07:628 (1,2,3,4) - there? Whaaa? I don't get it. Also why the density on those? Why not just make them 1/2 sliders?
00:14:080 (1,2,1,2) - The DS between these shouldn't really be consistent. Make the second 1>2 a bit larger than the first to emphasize the fact that this is indeed a buildup. (This is a really weird place to enforce DS compared to the rest of the map IMO, like the intro should be heavily DS'd and this part seems to be more DS'd...)
00:25:370 (4,5) - 00:27:628 (4,5) - 00:30:047 (2,3) - 00:39:564 (4,1) - 00:42:789 (2,3) - Nerf please.
00:46:176 (1,2,3) - Buff please.
01:12:144 (1,2,3,4) - Wheres the spacing coming from here? It seems pretty random. You aren't getting them from the vocals since thats a 1/1.
01:38:758 (5,1) - Nerf this please.
01:44:080 (1,1) - Just stack the last note on the repeat slider, no reason to have the movement there.
Anything that says buff or nerf I've condensed into a list mainly. My reasoning for those points is they're either larger or smaller than more intense sections of the song and nerfing/buffing them will bring the song's overarching consistency more in line. Sadly, theres a lot of inconsistent jump representation in this map (regarding DS) so I just picked out the really important ones to me.

[Light Extra]

Consider it at the very least, its not really required but the technical skill required from thzz to any of the Extra's is almost as high as the Hard to thzz.

[Lasse]

With all the notes stacked in one spot 00:24:241 (1,2) - this is pretty hard to read. I think the previous pattern stacking makes a lot of sense but I'm not really getting the reasoning behind the placement of the 2 here.
01:23:757 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I don't get the concept behind this at all. The flow change between 01:23:757 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - and 01:25:047 (1,2,3,4) - seems really odd and the square at the end just seems pretty forced. Also, the beginning pattern seems a lot less structured than your other jumps, I feel like this could just use some tidying up.
01:26:338 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why aren't these stacked like at the beginning? Want to promote more movement? (I think they play fine but its just a weird consistency thing.)
01:41:660 (1,2) - Same thing I mentioned before.
I love this diff, hella fun to play.

[Karia]

00:12:789 (1) - CTRL+G? It plays way better like that.
01:06:338 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Tone down the progression here a bit? The sound isn't increasing in intensity to the point where it justifies a near-fullscreen jump at the end.
Also a really fun diff IMO.

[Kage]

00:01:015 (1,2,3,4,5) - I think you're trying to keep a consistent DS here? I can't really tell, but it wouldn't be a bad idea. The random small changes in spacing don't make any sense.
00:04:241 (2,3,4) - The spacing between each of these is approximately the same. Nerf the spacing between 2>3.
00:05:693 (4,5) - Also, why is this as large as some of your kiai jumps?
00:08:273 (3,4,1) - You could make 3 and 1 an equal distance from 4 (so nerf the jump by moving 1 a bit closer to the slider).
00:10:531 (2,5) - Fix blanket w
00:16:338 (4) - Nice non-existent note champ! Just do a 1/12th kick on 00:16:418 (5) - and call it a day. Having the jump to 4 here adds a lot of non-existent intensity to this pattern.
00:18:757 (4,5,1) - Flows a bit awkward, give more spacing between 4>5 and move 5 closer to 1 to give more justice to the "do-do-do" that is unique to this little tidbit of music and to also improve the flow.
00:33:918 (2,3) - Why is the spacing so large here when theres technically no clickable beat except vocals on 3?
00:34:725 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This has a building intensity to it where 5>6>7 should be the most intense. Try reworking the pattern so that 1>2>3>4 flow more naturally into the last 3 jumps and then increas ethe spacing a bit on 5>6>7 (not by much, this is a calm part).
00:36:983 (4,1) - Technically the flow here is weird since you kind of stunt your momentum to drop downwards and then have to immediately change it to follow the slight upward curve of the slider body. Try improving it?
00:41:176 (1,2,3,4,5) - Move the 4 upwards to create a zig-zag pattern. At the momentum you have a weird obtuse pattern that feels ugly to play.
01:08:918 (3,4) - Buff.
01:09:564 (1,2) - Hello spacing? Buff please, and also make this pattern (01:10:047 (2,3,4,5,6) - ) in general make more sense because at the moment it seems entirely random in terms of spacing AND note positioning.
01:14:725 (1,2) - Why do you keep doing this super small practically 1/4th spacing on one of the most consistently intense parts of the song? I honestly don't get this in the slightest because you have this crap 00:40:370 (2,3,4) - on relatively peaceful parts. Whats the reasoning here? Is the piano that intense to you? I don't get it...
01:19:241 (3,4) - Even this is getting too easy. Why do your kiais feel almost easier than some of the other parts of the map? Sure, a kiai doesn't always have to be more intense, but in this case it definitely should be.
01:19:886 (1,2) -
01:22:144 (6,7,1) - One of the stronger vocals in this kiai is getting less spacing than 01:20:854 (5,6,1) - . Don't get me wrong, both are pretty well-spaced, but the 7>1 on the aforementioned pattern needs a bit more love to bring it in line with your other patterns.
01:24:241 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - I don't understand this... it seems to be some sort of progressing pattern but the original structures of the jumps don't make much sense so that continues with the rest of the patterns. Just rework them, this section has building intensity and you should reflect that more in your jumps.
01:27:951 (1,2) - OH! I almost mistook this for a 1/2!
01:38:757 (6,7,1) - EHHHH, the slider tail placement here is fine but the head could be moved up quite a bit to make it flow nicer. At the moment the 6>7>1 flow is atrocious coming out of the previous jumps. (I CTRL+G'd and rotated 20 deg and that worked well, remember to CTRL+G it back after you apply the change.)
01:41:337 (6) - Have this point either horizontal towards the left or more towards your destination (the incoming triple).
Sorry for being rude, this diff just seems to be the most haphazard of the extras and in general the weakest of the four.

[Hope]

HP 6.5 mang, make it more difficult - the HP is a bit too forgiving on the streams at the moment.
00:02:789 (2,2) - This isn't even remotely important but the slight not-stacked is triggering.
00:14:080 (1,2) - Buff spacing as this is currently in line with 00:06:176 (5,1) - and some other places.
00:17:789 (1,2,3) - These notes are musically in the same sequence but are interpreted in play quite differently, why is that?
01:18:596 (1,2) - Buff.
01:24:402 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Similar complaint to Karia's diff but in another section, the spacing increasing here isn't justified by the music, your increase is too drastic. Nerf these a bit, especially when you look at the rest of the kiai these are just absurdly large.

I hope I remembered everything...
I'm beyond tired, so if you need clarifications forum PM me or find me in game. Now I can finally go to bed. Gnight!

Lami

1,756 posts

Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Lami 2017-01-31T07:27:09+00:00

Cryptic wrote:
Heyo! I saw your map this evening and wanted to go over a few things before this can get fully pushed for rank.

[General]
As it currently stands, your spread isn't ready for rank. Theres a slightly larger than normal gap from the Normal to Hard (which can be fixed pretty easily with some spacing nerfs on the Hard) and a fairly large gap between the Insane and Hard that requires a diff inbetween them. I personally would also like to see another diff between the Insane and Lasse's extra, but that isn't as important as the two aforementioned points.
idk it's really problem... because it's so common gap nowdays, and anyone doesn't complaint it, yet. i will discuss about it
[Hope]
HP 6.5 mang, make it more difficult - the HP is a bit too forgiving on the streams at the moment. mm, hp 6 enough appropriate on this diff.. but ok
00:02:789 (2,2) - This isn't even remotely important but the slight not-stacked is triggering. y
00:14:080 (1,2) - Buff spacing as this is currently in line with 00:06:176 (5,1) - and some other places. try buff
00:17:789 (1,2,3) - These notes are musically in the same sequence but are interpreted in play quite differently, why is that?
i just work that this redline slider was followed on 00:17:789 - , 00:18:112 - , 00:18:435 - beat.
i doubt why this melody placed on the downbeat. go to ask to composer why do this. :d
01:18:596 (1,2) - Buff. fix
01:24:402 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Similar complaint to Karia's diff but in another section, the spacing increasing here isn't justified by the music, your increase is too drastic. Nerf these a bit, especially when you look at the rest of the kiai these are just absurdly large.
hmm, i know what you say. but i suppose you already know this part is most strongest part, too.
Since this part is obviously strongest part than everything, I want to chellenge something for this.
At clearly different part, i'd like to use definitely different partten for that. i think it will be special motivation to player, who want to chellenge extreamly different special partten, compare with other maps. i think huge jump is special partten too, since it can't use easily without something.
I hope I remembered everything...
I'm beyond tired, so if you need clarifications forum PM me or find me in game. Now I can finally go to bed. Gnight!

thanks

Last edited by Lami 2017-01-31T12:30:13+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

3,596 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-01-31T11:26:20+00:00

Cryptic wrote:
[Lasse]
With all the notes stacked in one spot 00:24:241 (1,2) - this is pretty hard to read. I think the previous pattern stacking makes a lot of sense but I'm not really getting the reasoning behind the placement of the 2 here.see below, changed
01:23:757 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I don't get the concept behind this at all. The flow change between 01:23:757 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - and 01:25:047 (1,2,3,4) - seems really odd and the square at the end just seems pretty forced. Also, the beginning pattern seems a lot less structured than your other jumps, I feel like this could just use some tidying up. flow change on 01:25:047 (1) - is to emphasize how volume suddenly increases more and also I just don't like keeping the same circular flow for so long cause I think it becomes really boring and loses all feeling of emphasis after a while. square fits the transition to vocals and the "forced feeling" or whatever is nice to make them stand out I think. the 3 note patterns after switch to guitar/cymbal. Beginning pattern is mainly placed in accordance to equal visual spacing and movement/building up ds
01:26:338 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why aren't these stacked like at the beginning? Want to promote more movement? (I think they play fine but its just a weird consistency thing.) they are mapped in a different context/different parts. so the basic concept behind them is the same/flow for 1-2-3 but execution is different
01:41:660 (1,2) - Same thing I mentioned before. yeah, I got some complaints already lol. unstacked
I love this diff, hella fun to play.

thanks!
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about the gaps: I think they are okay, though I agree n-h is a bit big in terms of gameplay elements and actual difficulty they should still be fine (but just barely) since normal already uses lots of 1/2 rhythms. and insane-extra also seems alright

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ArtistUnicode:直樹美紀(CV.高橋李依)&恵飛須沢胡桃(CV.小澤亜李)
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Cryptic

551 posts

Joined December 2013

Cryptic 2017-01-31T13:20:05+00:00

Lami wrote:
idk it's really problem... because it's so common gap nowdays, and anyone doesn't complaint it, yet. i will discuss about it

Lasse wrote:
about the gaps: I think they are okay, though I agree n-h is a bit big in terms of gameplay elements and actual difficulty they should still be fine (but just barely) since normal already uses lots of 1/2 rhythms. and insane-extra also seems alright

The spread isn't necessarily normal with the amount of diffs you have. It definitely could be seen as just barely passable but that would be if the spread was just ENHI. Since your spread is ENHIXXXX you have a lot of density at the top level making the huge gaps in your lower levels (between the H and I and the N-H) being not very passable. I think that using other maps as an excuse isn't really acceptable either... But the main concern here is the difference in spacing between the H-I are huge. I talked with Nozhomi about this while I was in the process of modding the map to get another opinion, the log is below:

log

2017-01-31 00:20 Cryptic: Hey can I pester you for a quick opinion on a spread?
2017-01-31 00:20 Nozhomi: ja
2017-01-31 00:21 Cryptic: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1102418 Naoki Miki(CV.Takahashi Rie) & Ebisuzawa Kurumi(CV.Ozawa Ari) - Unhappy End World]
2017-01-31 00:21 Cryptic: I think the gap between the Hard and Insane is too large
2017-01-31 00:21 Cryptic: I know its gonna get qualified in approx 13 hours since sahuang popped Rizia and Rebubb'd a bit ago
2017-01-31 00:21 Cryptic: and I know I'm gonna pop it for a few things on the extra, but I can't decide if I should ask him to add a light insane, I think it needs it but I may be being too nzi
2017-01-31 00:23 Nozhomi: I see
2017-01-31 00:26 Nozhomi: so well
2017-01-31 00:28 Nozhomi: if I had to say a word, I would say Hard could get jumps reduced a bit to match more the gap with Normal, and yeah Insane is done with some crazy jumps patterns and 1/4 kick sliders, make it quite big gap here
2017-01-31 00:29 Cryptic: So you think I'm not being overly strict and my concerns are legitimate?
2017-01-31 00:30 Nozhomi: it's quite edgy so I guess it's depending of the view of mappers, but I would join you on this one with your concern about diffspread ye
2017-01-31 00:30 Cryptic: Okay, thank you very much!
2017-01-31 00:30 Nozhomi: o7

So yeah, I'll also ask around a bit and get some more opinions for you as well, but IMO its much better to go ahead and fix the spread.

lolia

1,356 posts

Joined May 2012

lolia 2017-01-31T13:24:52+00:00

Fixed both, thanks

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Kagetsu

796 posts

Joined March 2015

Kagetsu 2017-01-31T14:56:47+00:00

@Cryptic most of the "jumps/non-jumps" you pointed doesn't really feel as a "jump/non-jump" for players around this level of difficulty, your mod basically consist in "buff/nerf spacing" and "improve flow", i just think you're being too closed-minded when it comes to spacing, most of the objects you want to move won't really change anything, because of slider leniency.
it's well known that for this type of diffs, difficulty is more focused on rhythm density rather than spacing, it won't change if i place beats 1.0 or 1.5 ds. as long as the spacing isn't too different, (for example, for this part 01:06:015 - ) it won't feel harder or different.
for the "flow" thing i think it's obvious that i tend to break the flow on downbeats/strong beats, so it shouldn't be a problem

thanks for the mod tho

Cryptic

551 posts

Joined December 2013

Cryptic 2017-01-31T15:05:41+00:00

Theres a bit more to the mod than just jumps/spacing/flow though, like the overmapped triple and some requests for explanations to particular patterns. I'd hope that you could at least take the time to respond to some of your reasonings to specific points rather than just a general statement, as not everything was addressed by that response.

(Also it isn't really about buffing or nerfing SR, it's about overall map consistency and intensity interpretation. I don't care about the difficulty in relation to players as much as the difficulty in relation to other parts of the song.)

sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2017-01-31T15:20:30+00:00

lol the gap is already small enough compared to a lot of ranked maps recently ,including some of mine.
i think the jump required in insane is not as big as you stated. hard-insane is very fine.
in terms of normal and hard, basically they are just following ds, even if ds is a bit big in hard,which makes sr high, this doesn't show the gap is big in any means. i dont get your logic here. basically all mapsets follow this kind of spread nowadays.

Cryptic wrote:
[Kage]
00:01:015 (1,2,3,4,5) - I think you're trying to keep a consistent DS here? I can't really tell, but it wouldn't be a bad idea. The random small changes in spacing don't make any sense.
I dont understand what's the difference between such small spacing inconsistency in extra diff.
00:04:241 (2,3,4) - The spacing between each of these is approximately the same. Nerf the spacing between 2>3.
you will not even notice the difference in ds when gameplay. the fact that you want everything to be ds based is really silly and can eventually destroy some good maps imo.
00:05:693 (4,5) - Also, why is this as large as some of your kiai jumps?
fine,this can be nerfed a bit,but isn't a big issue to be honest. i dont consider 00:05:693 (4,5) - as 'big' spacing in extra. if we follow your point then every map can't have 1/4-screen-small jumps besides kiai??
00:08:273 (3,4,1) - You could make 3 and 1 an equal distance from 4 (so nerf the jump by moving 1 a bit closer to the slider).
why?music,especially vocal is kinda high at 00:08:918 - and to emphasise this bigger ds is better.
00:10:531 (2,5) - Fix blanket w
..who cares about this nazi blanket
00:16:338 (4) - Nice non-existent note champ! Just do a 1/12th kick on 00:16:418 (5) - and call it a day. Having the jump to 4 here adds a lot of non-existent intensity to this pattern.
kinda valid here, i agree that 00:16:338 (4,5) - can be deleted and seems better.
00:18:757 (4,5,1) - Flows a bit awkward, give more spacing between 4>5 and move 5 closer to 1 to give more justice to the "do-do-do" that is unique to this little tidbit of music and to also improve the flow.
00:18:757 (4,5,1) - plays perfectly fine, you should write your points after you consider your ability of playing. this is a very common jump pattern in extra tbh.
00:33:918 (2,3) - Why is the spacing so large here when theres technically no clickable beat except vocals on 3? to emphasise 00:34:241 -
00:34:725 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This has a building intensity to it where 5>6>7 should be the most intense. Try reworking the pattern so that 1>2>3>4 flow more naturally into the last 3 jumps and then increas ethe spacing a bit on 5>6>7 (not by much, this is a calm part).
this is calm part so currently its fine. the flow is ok
00:36:983 (4,1) - Technically the flow here is weird since you kind of stunt your momentum to drop downwards and then have to immediately change it to follow the slight upward curve of the slider body. Try improving it?
"00:36:983 (4,1) - flow is weird." best joke 2017. flow is everything in your map,i know it now.
00:41:176 (1,2,3,4,5) - Move the 4 upwards to create a zig-zag pattern. At the momentum you have a weird obtuse pattern that feels ugly to play.
again, obtuse is not ok here? i know your pattern is ok, but this one is also fine. you are trying to let others use your pattern...also why is it ugly then?
01:08:918 (3,4) - Buff.
01:09:564 (1,2) - Hello spacing? Buff please, and also make this pattern (01:10:047 (2,3,4,5,6) - ) in general make more sense because at the moment it seems entirely random in terms of spacing AND note positioning.
01:14:725 (1,2) - Why do you keep doing this super small practically 1/4th spacing on one of the most consistently intense parts of the song? I honestly don't get this in the slightest because you have this crap 00:40:370 (2,3,4) - on relatively peaceful parts. Whats the reasoning here? Is the piano that intense to you? I don't get it...
01:19:241 (3,4) - Even this is getting too easy. Why do your kiais feel almost easier than some of the other parts of the map? Sure, a kiai doesn't always have to be more intense, but in this case it definitely should be.
01:19:886 (1,2) -
so much about 1/4 likewise ds... personally i think it's ok, from your point of view we must use all jumps in kiai for intensity, but i disagree.
rest are kinda same, you put too much emphasis on ds/pattern stuff, which kills the freedom in extras imo. i dont think it's a good idea. ik you are trying to 'improve the quality' since it seems bad for you. but i strongly feel this is a very normal diff that nowadays we can find in ranked sections. if you still think this is bad then most of maps nowadays will be lacking in quality, aesthetics, ds etc.
please consider.
I hope I remembered everything...
I'm beyond tired, so if you need clarifications forum PM me or find me in game. Now I can finally go to bed. Gnight!

sorry for wrong colours zzz im too tired try to read thx

Misure

951 posts

Joined September 2012

Misure 2017-01-31T15:45:31+00:00

sry for late, I'm writing reply xd
you are so quick

Cryptic wrote:
[Hard]
00:01:015 (1) - to 00:08:918 (1) - Whats going on with the spacing in here? And the structure? I don't really know where to begin. Whats the concept here? Theres a lot of flow changes and spacing changes...
the mainly concept for this part is to make the distance almost same in visual sense (about x1.8), with minor changes when there is a 1/1 gap, such as: 00:01:660 (3,4) - cutz of the afterimage of 00:01:177 (2) - it looks like kinda close so I made it further; 00:02:951 (6,7,1) - the stack make it have a pause 00:03:435 - so it feels good to move to the next slider (also 00:02:951 (6,1) - afterimage); 00:04:241 (2,3) - obtuse flow makes it look like farther so x1.8; 00:05:370 (4,5) - same; 00:07:628 (4) - same, umm well make it to right more
00:16:015 (1,2,1) - This is pretty awkward flow for a hard, you have to change your cursors momentum to hit the slider and then follow through that slider. Additionally, 00:15:047 (1,1) - is deceptive spacing as until now 1/1 has been spaced and 1/2 has been stacked on slider head/tail. The stacking issue is fine in later parts of the map but it feels out of place here due to previous patterning.
00:15:047 (1,1,2) - I want to make them the transform part (in fact they are, as well as 01:27:306 (1,2,3) - )
slow down for the slider and then a small jump from the stacking point is fun imo; as for flow, it's due to the similar reason, the flow cut here is acceptable, since this made 00:16:499 (1) - a new start point for the new part, also 1/1 gap makes it enough to get it
00:18:112 (2,4) - This is one of the only places where you stack your circle underneath a slidertail almost right after that slidertail appears. It's not exactly easiest pattern to read for players either, and the spacing (2>3 having larger spacing) from 3>4>5>1 is a bit odd as well.
well I don't know how to explain this tbh LOL but I bet more than 90% players won't feel it weird since it flows well,, as for the stack it's really fun imo, yea at least for me (I like play hard diffs \o/)
00:27:951 (4,5) - 00:30:532 (4,5) - 00:33:112 (4,1) - 00:38:274 (4,1) - etc - consistency?
yea should be fixed but the minor changes in distance won't be obvious (especially when the gap is 1/1) and it makes me headache to rearrange the crossed circles so no change
00:30:854 (5) - Based off the slider tail here you'd expect to go right but deny that expectation by going left, maybe rework that?
I prefer to make flow of 00:30:209 (3,4,5,6) - spread out cutz the music give me that feeling, compared to 00:27:628 (3,4,5,6) - which shrank
00:34:725 (1,2,3,4) - This is the only place this pattern appears, and its not really a common concept on a hard, whats your rationalization here?
just to make the flow like 'rolling' here and then spread out at 00:36:015 (1,2,3,4) - , also straight ones then curved ones give more variety, umm not common but it feels proper here since the music is really unique here
00:52:467 (4,1) - Similar flow problem as mentioned earlier.
flow cut with 1/1 gap
01:14:725 (1,2,3,4) - Why the perfect stacks?
nah I think perfect stacks is not a problem tho..
01:27:306 (1,2,3) - This all looks like the same rhythm but is in fact two different rhyhtms, why is that?
similar to 00:15:047 (1,1,2) - as transform part but this one gives me more excitement so I made some changes compared to the previous one, also it's enough to judge it imo
01:35:208 (1,3) - Previous
yea I admit this one is not so unique as the previous one. fixed it and the uncommon one is only for the unique music now
01:44:080 (4,1) - Completely unexpected circle location, why not just stack it on the slider end or something? What makes this spot different? Ending note?
since there is a 3/2 gap, stacks will make it difficult to catch rhythm, especially for the last one circle, while place it at another point makes it easier (as my experience). also with similar distance (x1.31) it won't be so far or so close, in which case top-left should be the best place cautz of stuffs around. just a feeling like finding the last note, as if to finish the Unhappy End World, yea I'm serious xD
You need to make the spacing more uniform overall and focus more on a consistent flow to bring this closer to the Normal diff and make the E>N>H spread more solid. This is one of the most problematic diffs at the moment in my opinion.

about gap, if essential I could nerf distance but I really don't want to since ~~it's difficult~~ it's okay imo
Thanks for your modding!

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Lami

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Topic Starter

Lami 2017-01-31T15:52:24+00:00

i don't think this gap problem isn't acceptable. because Hard diff kinda hard than 'normal hard' diff.(ofc, i think it's fine about gap, too)
even if insane diff include some jump and kickslider, it's 'normal insane' diff nowadays. because kicksldier isn't hard partten at 'small' DS.
also, i don't think about 'sholud be more solid spread at ENHIXXXXX....'
if my mapset don't include easy diff, i can't complain it anymore.
but mapset already have ENHI, it can enough cover multiple tier player.
"Where should the middle level players(light insane player) go?" if we argue that, every mapset should be have light insane, advanced, too.

Okoratu

Nomination Assessment Team / Elite Nominator

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Joined May 2012

Okoratu 2017-01-31T16:05:59+00:00

since im monitoring the guy who bubblepopped i was asked to post my opinionz

1. Easy looks more like a normal than anything, it's mapped more or less continuously and i don't think anyone who comes from the tutorial who barely learned what sliders are is able to understand what most of this diff is about

I think it's working as the lowest diff of the set but due to the way it's constructed it seems more straightforward to call this a normal

Main point for this is that this difficulty is mostly a bunch of sliders and if you just start out sliders are in effect more difficult to interpret than just circles. You need to read a slider, read repeats if they are there, you need to click a slider, hold a button and follow a slider depending on if it has a repeat or not. Circles are way more simple because you just need to read and click, so constructing your diff with mainly sliders makes it more difficult to read, i think aiming for a more simple balance of sliders and circles with more rest moments would make this an actual easy, but it seems to work fine as a normal too.

2. The last paragraph of easy also applies to normal, patterns like 01:39:080 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 01:17:144 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - etc. are long, clustered and potentially misleading because you need to read short sliders correctly and interpret where to go for a repeat while being essentially stuck inside a sliderchain

places like 01:39:080 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - could be easily simplified if you would just not follow everything at once and e.g. focus the melody: http://i.imgur.com/ajNpfI9.png

by using less dense rhythms the diff will overall be less clustered and way more straightforward to read for the target audience

3. thzz's diff:
kiai and rest of the diff are basically same difficulty (i think kiai should contrast the rest of the difficulty in some way by being harder and the rest of the diff being easier)
01:12:144 (1,2,3,4,1) - is just a random jumppattern lol the rest at least has vocals (compare to 01:10:047 (3,4,5,6,7) - etc. ) it doesn't have vocal backing and sticks out as being somewhat random
01:26:338 (1,2) - should crtlg rhythm?

(side question: so kagetsu's diff is basically an insane with a lot of spacing in the end?)

4. spread in general
so basically e---n-------h----------i----x---x--x-x

doesn't seem balanced at all, especially since the lower part of the set is basically just using approx evenly large gaps between NHI and the rest of the set is much more closer in terms of difficulty? I think that could be handled better

Lami

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Lami 2017-01-31T16:22:24+00:00

waiting GDers response
about spread... insane will nerf something, maybe..?

Okorin wrote:
4. spread in general
so basically e---n-------h----------i----x---x--x-x

doesn't seem balanced at all, especially since the lower part of the set is basically just using approx evenly large gaps between NHI and the rest of the set is much more closer in terms of difficulty? I think that could be handled better

i may understand with this spread. lasse's extra kinda complex partten. DS is enough small.
i can't feel huge gap from this, when i play these diff.
so insane nerf => so e---n-------h--------i------x---x--x-x and it's better way and acceptable tho.
btw, at lowest diff, i think it need more solid spread. so i think it's better way than e-----n-----h-----i-----x.

Last edited by Lami 2017-02-01T11:23:06+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

thzz

579 posts

Joined May 2012

thzz 2017-01-31T17:00:53+00:00

i'll try to nerf my insane and reply to Cryptic and Okorin when i finish

thank you two

Elasia

160 posts

Joined December 2010

Elasia 2017-01-31T17:57:36+00:00

fixed all. thanks!

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Reillia

1,162 posts

Joined August 2014

Reillia 2017-02-01T08:46:52+00:00

** my English skill is so bad. **

Cryptic wrote:
Heyo! I saw your map this evening and wanted to go over a few things before this can get fully pushed for rank.

[Easy]
01:04:402 (2,1) - This pattern is a bit weird for an easy, mainly because it requires a 90 degree movement change between rhythms. Maybe try reshaping/repositioning 01:05:693 (1) - to flow smoother out of 01:04:402 (2) - ? 01:05:693 (1) - here is starting new drum sound different from before. so i want to expression that drums.
I find a lot about 01:27:951 (2,3,1) - that weird. You primarily follow the vocals, which land 01:28:757 - but you ignore them here, creating an interesting pattern that not only is uncommon among easy diffs, but is unique to this point in the map. I'd find a compromise here to make things more intuitive for the player. cuz i feel that background sound is stronger than vocal. so i expression drum sound not a vocal.
01:31:499 (4,1) - If you have a literal stop here, why didn't you also have one 00:11:499 (1,2,3) - there? Doesn't it seem to make more sense on a part with practically no sound? 00:11:499 (1,2) - this is disconnected sound so i didn't stack but 01:31:499 (4,1) - this is 01:31:499 (4) - starting some sound and end it 01:32:467 - here. so i feel it's not a disconnected sound. just pull some sounds
I hope I remembered everything...
I'm beyond tired, so if you need clarifications forum PM me or find me in game. Now I can finally go to bed. Gnight!

no comment = fix. thx for mod!

@Okorin slider is not harder than circles in my opinion. cuz slider is just click and hold it long time than circles so players can get some time to read while holding sliders. and sliders - circle term is basically 1/1 unless need emphasis rhythm so i think i can't apply your suggestion.

thx for mod!

asd

osu file format v14

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[Metadata]
Title:Unhappy End World
TitleUnicode:アンハッピーエンドワールド
Artist:Naoki Miki(CV.Takahashi Rie) & Ebisuzawa Kurumi(CV.Ozawa Ari)
ArtistUnicode:直樹美紀(CV.高橋李依)&恵飛須沢胡桃(CV.小澤亜李)
Creator:Lami
Version:Curi's Easy
Source:がっこうぐらし！
Tags:school live gakkou gurashi! naoki miki ebisuzawa kurumi curi _c_u_r_i_ Yuria Misure thzz Lasse Kagetsu intoon Karia
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Kagetsu

796 posts

Joined March 2015

Kagetsu 2017-02-01T18:18:35+00:00

Okorin wrote:
(side question: so kagetsu's diff is basically an insane with a lot of spacing in the end?)

there's nothing much to do about this, the song is exaclty like that. i just didn't want to use a super high spacing for sections like 00:26:983 - because the song is calm in these places... however, you would see that i increase the spacing where the song calls for it, (such as this one 01:06:015 - )
frankly speaking, i don't think it's a problem... it's just the common way to go nowadays, Lasse, for example, also used this concept, even in a more noticeable way... if you check 00:26:983 - on Lasse's diff. you would realize that these type of patterns could perfectly fit on a normal diff... do i think it's a problem? well, not really, that's just a normal technique that you can find in many maps nowadays. if the spacing were exaggerated for all the map, then intense sections would feel the same which is something that i don't agree with.

Lami

1,756 posts

Joined June 2011

Topic Starter

Lami 2017-02-02T08:15:46+00:00

kagetsu's reply about overmapping issue.

and he think azusa's already post something and it's enough for now.
new reply don't help something, because i think it will be pretty similar thing with azusa's.
This is just repeating the same argument, and BN just won't agree with that.
also, cryptic still want to "veto bubble and find thrid BN" or "just fix to my modding", i don't have to say something about this :<

Last edited by Lami 2017-02-02T12:41:36+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

thzz

579 posts

Joined May 2012

thzz 2017-02-02T12:28:43+00:00

Cryptic wrote:
[thzz]
Okay please, you ignore the guitar at 00:05:845 - and then map it 00:07:628 (1,2,3,4) - there? Whaaa? I don't get it.
former has vocal, latter doesn't have. is it a problem to make difference?
Also why the density on those?
just taking care of ds.
Why not just make them 1/2 sliders?
we need difference and variation of rhythm. i already use 1/2 pattern at 00:06:983 (2,3) - , therefore making 00:07:628 (1,2,3,4) - be 1/2 sliders causes very boring pattern.
00:14:080 (1,2,1,2) - The DS between these shouldn't really be consistent. Make the second 1>2 a bit larger than the first to emphasize the fact that this is indeed a buildup. (This is a really weird place to enforce DS compared to the rest of the map IMO, like the intro should be heavily DS'd and this part seems to be more DS'd...)
i took care of ds whole my diff when i nerfed that. it's fine now.
00:25:370 (4,5) - why? there's a finish sound.
00:27:628 (4,5) - fine now
00:30:047 (2,3) - ^
00:39:564 (4,1) - ^
00:42:789 (2,3) - this jump expresses a characteristic piano sound.
Nerf please.
00:46:176 (1,2,3) - Buff please. fine now
01:12:144 (1,2,3,4) - Wheres the spacing coming from here? It seems pretty random. You aren't getting them from the vocals since thats a 1/1. okay
01:38:758 (5,1) - Nerf this please. fine now
01:44:080 (1,1) - Just stack the last note on the repeat slider, no reason to have the movement there. it doesn't make sence to me. these 2 sounds are obviously different, aren't they?
Anything that says buff or nerf I've condensed into a list mainly. My reasoning for those points is they're either larger or smaller than more intense sections of the song and nerfing/buffing them will bring the song's overarching consistency more in line. Sadly, theres a lot of inconsistent jump representation in this map (regarding DS) so I just picked out the really important ones to me.
i took care of it when i nerfed my diff.

Okorin wrote:
3. thzz's diff:
kiai and rest of the diff are basically same difficulty (i think kiai should contrast the rest of the difficulty in some way by being harder and the rest of the diff being easier) i tried my diff to be like you said.
01:12:144 (1,2,3,4,1) - is just a random jumppattern lol the rest at least has vocals (compare to 01:10:047 (3,4,5,6,7) - etc. ) it doesn't have vocal backing and sticks out as being somewhat random fine now
01:26:338 (1,2) - should crtlg rhythm? i like current pattern. if it's just a suggestion, i don't change it.

(side question: so kagetsu's diff is basically an insane with a lot of spacing in the end?)
(i agree with Kagetsu. is this a problem?)

@Cryptic (& Okorin), about diff spread

my diff has been nerfed.
i can find many mapsets which have almost same spread as this mapset, even if i hadn't nerfed my diff. however, i don't think this can be direct reason for you to accept this mapset to be nominated. but i strongly would like you to consider to be fair.

Okorin wrote:
I think that could be handled better

the diff spread is definitely finer now.

@Lami
update plz
~~http://puu.sh/tL0kr/139fcc8d2f.osu~~
edit : sorry for some unsnap objects lol
http://puu.sh/tL1Py/0ea70a14b1.osu

Last edited by thzz 2017-02-02T14:43:55+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Lami

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Lami 2017-02-02T12:40:54+00:00

update all

Garden

Nomination Assessment Team

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Garden 2017-02-03T06:20:00+00:00

From my gaming experience, there is not a single beginner who can deal with all difficulties in a mapset straight from easy to xxxxx. They start from the easiest difficulties and hopefully can pass the next diff, in most cases they fail to full combo the next difficulty and thus will need to find other maps filling the gap to make progress to that next level. So what's the point of having the difficulty gap 'very well balanced'? As I mentioned previously, in whatever cases people all will have to make progress through 'other maps' to get better at the higher difficulty in a certain mapset, how big the gap is only matters how long it takes to make progress which is a minor problem, but the process itself is unavoidable. Therefore my intepretation on the diffspread is that as long as the general spacing/rhythm density/patterning in a diff indicates its diffname well and not ridiculously harder than previous difficulty, be it relatively harder or easier to the typical ones it's acceptable to me. And In this case I don't feel the diffspread to be a problem.

And about the rhythm pattern applied in easier difficulties, I think we, as experienced players all have no say in this matter. We can just suppose what is 'easier' but that's not always the case. I've tried introducing the game to some of my friends irl and let them start from some easy difficulties. After some explanations on the gameplay, some can do the sliders well while some can't, some just act on instinct regardless of spacing variations in circles but some can read according to the approaching circle and distinguish incontinuous rhythms well. So slider/circle rate isn't a real issue imo as long as they inteprete music well and rhythm density fits to its difficulty level, it's just mapper's different styles in mapping lower difficulties. Beginners will get used to them through some practice, how much effort it takes is only about talent/comprehension on the game.

My wording might seem weird here and there but I hope that the point is communicated.. will look into specific diffs later

Garden

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Garden 2017-02-04T07:19:48+00:00

Hope

oh plz no hp 6.5, see how I did hr with hp6 -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7229112, can't say its much easier at the last spinner but at least passable (I think 417 is already fast enough?). I don't think ppl will like to get happy30'ed :<

Kagetsu

i've checked through those points and i'm ok with the reply so rest is only my concern

01:07:467 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think the vocal intensity calls for current spacing, it should be a buildup part for the kiai section where both instruments and vocals are much more intense.
01:19:564 (4) - ctrl-g seems to fit ur overall flow design in kiai? also gives better emphasize to the next object

Lasse

00:41:338 (2,3,4) - can't expect to tap 1/6 at the slow section and it's the only spot with such 1/6 pattern so maybe nerf this, It seems bit vague but sounds 1/4+1/8 to me, what about simplifying things this way https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7229398?

thzz

01:01:822 (1,2) - good for emphasize but in insane of this level i suggest nerfing them to 1/2 ones that's much more player friendly, it's not that easy to tell 1/4 gaps from such spacing
01:02:467 (1,2) - same point, at least smaller spacing than 01:03:112 (1,2) - the 1/2 gaps

Misure

00:27:951 (4,5) - blabla, Cryptic这里说的是nc consistency吧...
01:28:273 (2) - 和前面一样也nc? 1/1切到1/2

Lasse

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Lasse 2017-02-04T08:07:08+00:00

for the 1/6 snapping, I explained it before:
p/5613845
I think it's still okay to play cause of the stack you can kinda see its faster than 1/4 from approach circles and it also ends in a slider. I also did some colorhax there (only bright red combo in this part), though I know that's not much and doesn't help people that have beatmap skins disabled.
But I still think it fits really well here and readability is "okay" so I'd like to keep it :c
circle + single 1/8 kickslider is weirder to play for me

Lami

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Lami 2017-02-04T08:41:34+00:00

Garden wrote:
Hope
oh plz no hp 6.5, see how I did hr with hp6 -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7229112, can't say its much easier at the last spinner but at least passable (I think 417 is already fast enough?). I don't think ppl will like to get happy30'ed :<
i didn't notice about spinner drain. back to 6.

thanks for modding

thzz

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thzz 2017-02-04T09:16:12+00:00

@Garden
fixed both, thank you~!

http://puu.sh/tNL9L/8b0d7e27bd.osu

Misure

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Misure 2017-02-04T11:46:08+00:00

all fixed, thanks Garden!
~~吃了文化的亏~~

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Zyl

520 posts

Joined October 2013

Zyl 2017-02-05T02:29:18+00:00

Kagetsu

796 posts

Joined March 2015

Kagetsu 2017-02-06T19:36:15+00:00

Garden wrote:
Kagetsu

i've checked through those points and i'm ok with the reply so rest is only my concern
01:07:467 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think the vocal intensity calls for current spacing, it should be a buildup part for the kiai section where both instruments and vocals are much more intense. decreased spacing for 01:07:467 (1,2,3) - these
01:19:564 (4) - ctrl-g seems to fit ur overall flow design in kiai? also gives better emphasize to the next object ok

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