2017-04-25 12:54 Skylish: you've got time right now? I am the modder from your Facebook post
2017-04-25 12:56 FastBoy: i know, i have time now :3
2017-04-25 12:57 Skylish:
2017-04-25 12:58 Skylish: I need to spend some time on reviewing my previous mod
2017-04-25 12:58 Skylish: wait
2017-04-25 12:59 FastBoy: ok
2017-04-25 13:01 Skylish: Apologize again if I inserted any wrong concept of mapping half an year ago
2017-04-25 13:01 Skylish: as I was not that good in modding at that time, and even my concept used not to be that valid
2017-04-25 13:01 Skylish: okay back to Kantan
2017-04-25 13:01 Skylish: Few things to clarify:
2017-04-25 13:02 Skylish: 00:07:307 (1,2,3,4) - / 00:59:844 (1,2,3,4) -
2017-04-25 13:02 Skylish: these off-beat patterns are really tough, too tough for Kantan level players, and some clear and concrete 1/1 patterns are literally forseen
2017-04-25 13:03 Skylish: Furthermore, the gaps of these off-beat patterns are too narrow, i.e. not enough breaks
2017-04-25 13:04 FastBoy: how about move 00:07:754 (2) to 00:07:904
2017-04-25 13:06 FastBoy: btw sometimes u can see 1/2 patterns in Kantan
2017-04-25 13:07 Skylish: wait my mom is ganking me :W:
2017-04-25 13:08 FastBoy: lol
2017-04-25 13:17 FastBoy: i have changed a few things in Kantan. would u please update the map :3
2017-04-25 13:21 Skylish: updated, but my mom still ganking
2017-04-25 13:21 FastBoy: ok lol it's fine to wait for u
2017-04-25 13:25 Skylish: okay, I am back, my mom is discussing about my academic stuff lol
2017-04-25 13:25 Skylish: 00:07:754 - why do you want to this note shift to 00:07:904 - ?
2017-04-25 13:27 Skylish: and the density of the updated Kantan is still high (that means my mod 6 months ago on your Kantan was literally going against with the mapping logic of Kantan)
2017-04-25 13:27 Skylish: so you need to cut down a lot of notes in Kantan lol
2017-04-25 13:27 FastBoy: say?
2017-04-25 13:27 Skylish: 00:09:695 (1) -
2017-04-25 13:27 Skylish:
https://puu.sh/vvqgX/7bf070f592.png2017-04-25 13:28 Skylish: ^ sth like this
2017-04-25 13:29 FastBoy: got it
2017-04-25 13:30 FastBoy: as u said, is it ok to delete 00:18:799 (2)?
2017-04-25 13:31 Skylish: yes, delete it as well
2017-04-25 13:31 Skylish: you need to trim these notes 00:07:307 (1,2,3,4) - too then
2017-04-25 13:31 Skylish: so you can see the principle from my screenshot
2017-04-25 13:32 Skylish: keep things clean, with suitable gaps (mostly 2/1 or even 4/1 )
2017-04-25 13:32 FastBoy: delete 00:28:053 (14,15,16) and add k at 00:28:650
2017-04-25 13:33 Skylish: umm
2017-04-25 13:34 FastBoy: or simply just delete 00:28:053 (14,15) -
2017-04-25 13:34 Skylish: 00:27:605 - d / 00:28:799 - D <-- how about just that?
2017-04-25 13:35 FastBoy: ok
2017-04-25 13:35 Skylish: 00:28:351 - I would say you can a note here, but the pattern will look weird, comparing with 00:24:023 (8,9,10) - / 00:26:411 (11,12,13) -
2017-04-25 13:35 Skylish: so I think keeping a d D pattern at 00:27:605 - is a wise choice
2017-04-25 13:36 Skylish: 00:36:262 (1) - the end of this spinner looks weird
2017-04-25 13:36 FastBoy: is it ok to make 00:08:351 to 00:07:307 (1,2,3)
2017-04-25 13:37 FastBoy: 00:07:307 (1,2,3,4) to 00:07:307 (1,2,3)
2017-04-25 13:37 Skylish: can you seperate a time slot by a pressing space bar once? so the timing slot will not stick tgt
2017-04-25 13:38 Skylish: and what do you mean by making 00:08:351 - to 00:07:307 - ???
2017-04-25 13:38 FastBoy: sorry i got things messed up ;w;
2017-04-25 13:39 FastBoy: wait a few seconds
2017-04-25 13:40 FastBoy: move 00:08:351 (3) to 00:08:501 (3) and delete 00:08:799 (4)
2017-04-25 13:41 Skylish: umm
2017-04-25 13:41 Skylish: not recommended
2017-04-25 13:42 Skylish: 00:07:904 (2,3) - are lagged behind 1/2 beat from the actual music
2017-04-25 13:43 Skylish: removal of 00:08:799 - is okay, but the structure looks pretty strange then, how about also remove 00:07:904 (2) - , and shift 00:08:501 - back to 00:08:351 - ?
2017-04-25 13:43 Skylish: so you will have a very very very clean d d pattern
2017-04-25 13:44 Skylish: they are all located on the strong beat of the melody, which is acceptable imo
2017-04-25 13:46 FastBoy: i think it is pretty strange to remove 00:07:904 - , would we place 3d at 00:07:307 - 00:07:904 - and 00:08:351 - respectively
2017-04-25 13:47 Skylish: still, 00:07:904 - is not the START of the melody
2017-04-25 13:47 Skylish: prefer 00:07:754 -
2017-04-25 13:48 FastBoy: well that's ok
2017-04-25 13:48 Skylish: 00:07:307 (1,2,3) - follow the pattern in Futsuu is fine
2017-04-25 13:48 Skylish: they should look the same
2017-04-25 13:48 Skylish: *consistent mapping style
2017-04-25 13:49 FastBoy: btw can we add k at 00:12:531 -
2017-04-25 13:49 Skylish: 00:36:262 (1) - I was talking about the end of this slider, I think ending at 00:37:904 - suits more
2017-04-25 13:49 Skylish: yes you can
2017-04-25 13:49 Skylish: the map is yours
2017-04-25 13:49 Skylish: not mine
2017-04-25 13:51 FastBoy: but if u slow the song down, u will find that the melody indeed ends at 00:37:829 -
2017-04-25 13:51 FastBoy: also it is just a spinner instead of a note
2017-04-25 13:51 FastBoy: i think it is fine
2017-04-25 13:52 Skylish: okay then
2017-04-25 13:54 FastBoy: delete 00:40:441 (5) - ?
2017-04-25 13:55 Skylish: before that, how about shifting 00:38:948 - to 00:39:098 - ?
2017-04-25 13:55 Skylish: 00:40:441 - okay it is fine to remove it
2017-04-25 13:56 FastBoy: ok
2017-04-25 13:57 Skylish: 00:57:456 - same as the beginning
2017-04-25 13:58 Skylish: 00:58:948 (4) - maybe remove it to consider consistency
2017-04-25 14:00 FastBoy: deleted
2017-04-25 14:01 Skylish: 01:00:590 - / 01:10:142 -
2017-04-25 14:01 Skylish: 01:00:292 - / 01:09:844 - shift them to these new timings?
2017-04-25 14:01 Skylish: the the SR can goes down
2017-04-25 14:01 Skylish: and match with the logic at 00:57:456 (1,2,3) -
2017-04-25 14:03 FastBoy: done
2017-04-25 14:04 Skylish: 01:01:635 (4,5,6,7,8) - I think this pattern is good to go
2017-04-25 14:04 Skylish: the notes fit the music, and the density in Kiai is acceptable
2017-04-25 14:05 Skylish: 01:14:172 - same as 00:14:471 - ?
2017-04-25 14:06 FastBoy: i've made them the same
2017-04-25 14:07 Skylish: 01:23:128 - remove this note to leave a space then?
2017-04-25 14:08 FastBoy: umm i think it isn't really good
2017-04-25 14:09 Skylish: alright
2017-04-25 14:10 Skylish: the last note place on 01:27:904 - / 01:28:202 - can fit the music
2017-04-25 14:10 Skylish: not like the current one, so vague
2017-04-25 14:11 FastBoy: i place d at 01:27:904 - and k at 01:28:202 -
2017-04-25 14:12 FastBoy: of course 01:28:053 - is deleted
2017-04-25 14:13 Skylish: oaky
2017-04-25 14:13 Skylish: *okay
2017-04-25 14:13 Skylish: resonable for a stronger (denser) ending
2017-04-25 14:14 FastBoy: maybe my version differs yo urs. would u update the mapp and see whether the map is really sensible
2017-04-25 14:14 Skylish: have you updated?
2017-04-25 14:15 FastBoy: updated now
2017-04-25 14:16 what, my finalised ver. is 1.98 * lmao
2017-04-25 14:17 FastBoy: what :/
2017-04-25 14:19 FastBoy: is it ok to delete 00:39:098 (2) - ?
2017-04-25 14:19 Skylish: wait lemme, find out what's wrong first
https://puu.sh/vvsgN/ed00c2611d.png2017-04-25 14:20 Skylish: 00:10:142 - I do not have this note in my ver.
2017-04-25 14:21 FastBoy: oh yea cuz this note exists in the kiai time so i would like to add a note here also ;w;
2017-04-25 14:21 Skylish: 01:24:769 (12,16) -
2017-04-25 14:21 Skylish: it is okay for 00:10:142 -
2017-04-25 14:21 Skylish: it does not really matter about the SR
2017-04-25 14:21 Skylish: but for the last 01:24:769 (12,16) -
2017-04-25 14:22 Skylish: 01:24:322 (11,12) - / 01:26:710 (15,16) - will increase the SR
2017-04-25 14:22 FastBoy: delete them?
2017-04-25 14:23 FastBoy: i think 01:24:322 (11,12) - are ok
2017-04-25 14:23 Skylish: 01:24:919 (12) - my ver.
https://puu.sh/vvspb/78a9585074.png2017-04-25 14:23 Skylish: ddk d k dddk
2017-04-25 14:23 Skylish: any off-beat stuff will increase the damn SR
2017-04-25 14:24 Skylish: oh wait this matters too 00:10:142 - , add it --> 2.01* remove it --> 1.98*
2017-04-25 14:25 FastBoy: wt*...
2017-04-25 14:27 FastBoy: ok now mine should be tha same with urs
2017-04-25 14:27 Skylish: the main point now: keep the SR<2*
2017-04-25 14:27 Skylish: then all is well
2017-04-25 14:28 FastBoy: now is 1.98*
2017-04-25 14:28 Skylish: nice
2017-04-25 14:29 FastBoy: making a Kantan is really a troublesome...
2017-04-25 14:30 Skylish: lol
2017-04-25 14:30 FastBoy: trouble not troublesome, sorry for grammatical mistake'
2017-04-25 14:30 Skylish: kinda, yes
2017-04-25 14:31 Skylish: quite irrigating when you see the SR suddenly skyrocket >2*
2017-04-25 14:31 Skylish: then you need to re-map it most likely
2017-04-25 14:31 Skylish: but your case should be fine
2017-04-25 14:31 Skylish: and you can understand why my previous mod was not good at all
2017-04-25 14:31 FastBoy: so would u also mod Futsuu :3
2017-04-25 14:31 Skylish: although the concept was clear and concrete
2017-04-25 14:31 Skylish: I would just take a look
2017-04-25 14:32 Skylish: you update Kantan first
2017-04-25 14:32 Skylish: I have to re-dl the whole mapset
2017-04-25 14:33 FastBoy: updated
2017-04-25 14:34 Skylish: 00:14:919 (19,22) -
2017-04-25 14:34 Skylish: too complicated
2017-04-25 14:34 Skylish: you can do so in Muzukashii, but not in Futsuu, as we made some changes in Kantan already
2017-04-25 14:35 FastBoy: delete 00:14:919 (19,22) - right?
2017-04-25 14:35 Skylish: so removing 19 and 22 these 2 notes look much better
2017-04-25 14:35 Skylish: yes
2017-04-25 14:36 Skylish: 00:35:963 - d ?
2017-04-25 14:37 *concsistent with Kantan, and the pitch there is not really that high
2017-04-25 14:37 Skylish: 00:50:889 - k seems smoother
2017-04-25 14:38 Skylish: 00:51:784 - remove it for the sake of clear nnn nnn nnn structure among this section
2017-04-25 14:38 Skylish: 01:07:008 (79,80,81,82,83) - very boring spamming of d
2017-04-25 14:39 FastBoy: so how can i change 01:07:008 (78,79,80,81,82) -
2017-04-25 14:39 Skylish: 01:07:008 - I think it should be less densed, due to the presence of long note (less variation in the music)
2017-04-25 14:40 Skylish: maybe dk_kd
2017-04-25 14:40 Skylish: ^ in 1/1 gap
2017-04-25 14:40 Skylish: sounds a bit fun
2017-04-25 14:41 FastBoy: but it sounds weird to me :/
2017-04-25 14:41 Skylish: then fix it on your own
2017-04-25 14:41 Skylish: yeah that may be weird to others
2017-04-25 14:41 Skylish: 01:13:277 (97,98,99,100) - same problem here
2017-04-25 14:41 FastBoy: i think ddddd is fine due to the drum
2017-04-25 14:41 Skylish: too boring spamming of d
2017-04-25 14:41 FastBoy: i know but it fits the song
2017-04-25 14:42 FastBoy: i mean the former one
2017-04-25 14:42 FastBoy: well also the latter one
2017-04-25 14:42 Skylish: it does not really suit, as I said so, 01:07:008 - lack variations comparing with other melodies in Kiai
2017-04-25 14:43 Skylish: It can be either stayed as monochrome patterns or had it less packed with notes
2017-04-25 14:43 Skylish: and personally I prefer the latter, for a stronger presentation of the music
2017-04-25 14:43 Skylish: but it's all up to you
2017-04-25 14:43 Skylish: and still, speaking of monochrome patterns
2017-04-25 14:43 Skylish: spamming of 5 1/1 d, is really boring
2017-04-25 14:43 Skylish: maybe remove 01:07:904 -
2017-04-25 14:44 Skylish: 01:14:620 (101,104) - same as before, remove them
2017-04-25 14:44 FastBoy: well that's ok
2017-04-25 14:45 Skylish: 01:23:426 - k for consistency
2017-04-25 14:45 Skylish: ^ ?
2017-04-25 14:46 FastBoy: k isn't good but i'm thinking how to change it
2017-04-25 14:47 Skylish: 01:27:456 - weird 5 1/2 pattern
2017-04-25 14:47 Skylish: expect sth like nn_nn
2017-04-25 14:47 Skylish: based on 01:25:068 (23,24,25,26) -
2017-04-25 14:48 Skylish: maybe 01:27:456 - kk dk this time
2017-04-25 14:48 Skylish: all depends on how you fix these nn_nn patterns
2017-04-25 14:50 FastBoy: but i still think 5 1/2 pattern is fine cuz the drum at 01:27:754 - is strong enough
2017-04-25 14:51 FastBoy: but i will change 01:27:904 (35) - to d
2017-04-25 14:51 Skylish: aight, then you have to make the patterns smoother
2017-04-25 14:57 FastBoy: is it really improper to add d at 00:35:963 (41) - ?
2017-04-25 14:57 FastBoy: i think it's not bad
2017-04-25 14:58 Skylish: who say improper?
2017-04-25 14:58 FastBoy: also i do so cuz i wanna fit what i did in Oni
2017-04-25 14:58 FastBoy: u said the pitch there is not really that high
2017-04-25 14:59 Skylish: arh
2017-04-25 14:59 FastBoy: well maybe i got the wrong thought
2017-04-25 14:59 Skylish: I see what you mean
2017-04-25 14:59 Skylish: umm, I oversaw sth
2017-04-25 14:59 Skylish: you should change 00:35:963 - to d in KANTAN
2017-04-25 14:59 Skylish: that's fine
2017-04-25 15:00 Skylish: 00:35:963 - always d
2017-04-25 15:00 FastBoy: ok
2017-04-25 15:09 FastBoy: one more request. would u plz play Oni once while i watch u :3
2017-04-25 15:13 Skylish: k
2017-04-25 15:14 FastBoy: ok spectating u
2017-04-25 15:15 FastBoy: also plz copy these messages to the forum
2017-04-25 15:16 Skylish: damn it - -
2017-04-25 15:16 FastBoy: well-played :3
2017-04-25 15:16 FastBoy: lol
2017-04-25 15:17 Skylish: Those streams can be refined
2017-04-25 15:17 Skylish: repetitively kkkkdddd / kkddkkdd sounds too boring
2017-04-25 15:19 FastBoy: kkddkkdd i think it's ok but ddddkkkkd has actually been repeated so many times
2017-04-25 15:20 FastBoy: so i'm thinking how change it
2017-04-25 15:20 FastBoy: btw remember copying, i'm gonna give u a kudosu :3
2017-04-25 15:25 Skylish: okay