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KOTOKO - Koi Kou Enishi

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Beomsan

HallidayASR wrote:

A M4M as you requested in #modreqs :D

Beom's Normal
00:06:476 (1,2,3) -
Not necessarily wrong, but I would move 00:07:309 (3) - to the left so It could flow like this:

00:23:351 (1,2,3) - Again, I recommend a flow like this :D

00:39:809 (1,2,3) - And same here xD But these are just suggestions, as I said, I dont think it's wrong, the choice is up to you c:
00:47:518 (3,4,1) - Hey, I think it does fit here! :D So if you take my previous advice, don't do it in this one case.
00:55:018 (1,2) - Imperfect blanket... Just improve it ;D

01:27:101 - 01:26:684 - I think those are some really notorious white tick you are missing, feels very empty, I suggest placing a rhytm there, maybe this?
(Not so hard and fits with your mapping) yes, this is really good point. but I have no idea about this for now. I need more suggestions about this :P
But that wouldn't give the player a chance to recover from the spinners D: Idk, Find a way to make it work xD
01:28:142 (1,2,3) - Same, I would make this flow like:

01:39:809 (1,2,3) - Maybe like this instead? :O ok :O

Good luck!
overall I using unfamiliar movement like your point.
I just expressed what I feel in this song lol. I don't want to change those things.
it has no logic :P :P I'm idiot
thanks for mod

diffu
osu file format v14

[General]
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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 59288
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 96788
DistanceSpacing: 0.8
BeatDivisor: 8
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.5

[Metadata]
Title:Koi Kou Enishi
TitleUnicode:恋ひ恋ふ縁
Artist:KOTOKO
ArtistUnicode:KOTOKO
Creator:Momoka
Version:Beom's Normal
Source:千恋*万花
Tags:yuzusoft opening senren banka visual novel eroge no dap moeka shioi momochikun beomsan janpai
BeatmapID:1086502
BeatmapSetID:504995

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:4
CircleSize:3.5
OverallDifficulty:4
ApproachRate:5
SliderMultiplier:1.2
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
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Janpai
No fixes sorry, both are perferctly fine xD
Reillia
[General]
Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms:
soft-hitnormal.wav 모딩 어시스턴트가 잡아줌
http://puu.sh/rukpN/62712fea31.zip 딜레이 없앤것

[Janpai's Easy]
00:42:518 (2,4) - how about curve these sliders?

[Beom's Normal]
00:07:309 (3,4) - 이렇게 바꿔보는건 어떨까요 지금은 뭔가 흐름이 끊긴다는 느낌이 든다는 동선같아요00:11:268 (4) - 커브 넣어보는건 어떨까요 00:11:268 (4,1) - 서로 좌우 대칭느낌 나게끔
00:12:309 (2) - DS체크
00:26:893 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 열차가 조금 길다고 생각되는데 1/1슬라 몇개를 노트로 바꾸는건 어떨까요?
00:48:143 (4,1) - 외관상으로 별로 좋지 못한 흐름이라고 생각했습니다. 00:48:351 (1) - 이걸 조금 아래로 내리는건 어떨까요?
01:02:934 (4) - 01:02:934 - 이부분을 노트로 바꾸고 01:03:351 - 여기서 슬라이더를 시작하는건 어떨까요?

맵전체적으로 열차가 조금 길게 이어진다는 느낌을 적지않게 받았는데 중간중간에 조금 끊는게 좋을거 같아 보이네요

[Mochi's Hard]
00:28:351 (1) - how about this slider shape? it's blanket 00:28:976 (2,3,4) - this
[Insane]
01:31:268 (6,1) - 두개 ds조금 벌리는건 어떨까요 01:31:059 (5,6) - 이거에 비해 상대적으로 작아서 팔로우가 자연스럽지 않은거같음

제 모딩력은 여기까지..
Janpai
@[C u r i] I'll consider but still no fixes xD
Beige
디스코드는 위대했다.

[General]
  1. 와이드스크린 통일시켜주셈 ㅋㅋ
  2. soft-hitnormal.wav 힛사 딜레이 있네요. 확인 해주세요.
[범산님 노말]
  1. 01:23:351 (1,1) - 스핀보다는 슬라이더로 하시는게 어떨까요? 흰 틱에 노트가 없는 것이어색해도 너무 어색해서...
  2. 맵에 큰 문제는 없습니다.
    다만 클랩, 휘슬 같은 힛사가 안 찍혀있고, 기차가 긴 것들이 꽤나 많은 것 같습니다.
[Mochi's Hard]
  1. 01:00:018 (3) - I recommend NC here, it notices to start kiai or highlight.
  2. 01:13:351 (1) - Same as above opinion.
  3. 01:16:268 (1) - cancel NC here?
[Insane]
  1. 아까도 플레이 해봤지만 진짜 좋았음 ㅋㅋ
굳럭!
Illyasviel
Insane

  1. You could make a nice triangle here 00:03:976 (5,9,1,2,1) -
  2. Lower a bit 1 and 2 so it matches the center of the end slider 3 00:11:684 (1,2,3) -
  3. Lower a bit 2 to match the start of the slider 1 00:16:476 (1,2) -
  4. Prettier sliders maybe? 00:31:684 (1) - and 00:59:601 (2) - work, but could look better
  5. You can make a better build up here, 01:20:018 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - Reducing the jumps here 01:20:018 (1,2) - and increasing DS a bit here 01:21:268 (5,6) - and here 01:22:101 (2,3,4) - is one way to do it, but I'll leave the creativity to you :3
Topic Starter
Ozato Fumika

[XV] wrote:

Insane

  1. You can make a better build up here, 01:20:018 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - Reducing the jumps here 01:20:018 (1,2) - and increasing DS a bit here 01:21:268 (5,6) - and here 01:22:101 (2,3,4) - is one way to do it, but I'll leave the creativity to you :3 ill try

[C u r i] wrote:

[Insane]
01:31:268 (6,1) - 두개 ds조금 벌리는건 어떨까요 01:31:059 (5,6) - 이거에 비해 상대적으로 작아서 팔로우가 자연스럽지 않은거같음 흠.. 전 ㄱㅊ다고 봄

제 모딩력은 여기까지..
fixed all the general stuff. thanks
Sonnyc
~ General ~
  1. 현재 파일이 첫 10ms가 완전 무음은 아니어서 형식상 랭크는 가능합니다만, 실질적으로 힛사가 들리는건 그 이후인 만큼 http://puu.sh/rvWE6/d2fcbadd44.zip 대체 힛사를 사용하시는게 어떨까 생각해봅니다.
~ Beom's Normal ~
  1. 01:23:351 (1,1) - 더블 스피너는 각 스피너 마다의 길이도 짧거니와 낮은 난이도일수록 유저들이 반응이 탁월하지 못한 경우가 많아서 권장하지 않는 편입니다. 노말 난이도인만큼 단일 스피너로 처리하는건 어떨까요?
  2. 01:25:018 (1,1) - 느끼고 계시는지 모르겠습니다만 현재 01:26:684의 강렬한 음을 표현하지 않은 상태로 스피너와 다음 노트로의 전환이 일어나서 연결이 상당히 부자연스럽습니다. 일단 스피너를 저 강한 음까지 늘려주시고, 회복 시간을 위해서 01:27:309 (1,2)를 아예 지우는게 연결상으로는 훨씬 매끄러워질거라고 봅니다.
  3. 힛사 추가해주시고
  4. 전반적으로 랭크 가능 그 이상은 아닌거 같은 느낌이었습니다. 주로 흐름 위주로 디자인되어있어서 표현된 패턴들이 많지 않다고 느껴져서 그랬던 것 같습니다. 배치를 흐름 따라서만 하는 것에서 더 나아가 노트들이 패턴감을 형성할 수 있게 패턴 짜는 연습해보시면 나쁘지 않을 듯 하네요. 유사한 이야기가 될 것 같습니다만 가령 01:38:143 (1,2,3,4,5)의 경우 음악이 두드러지게 달랐음에도 다른 부분들과 큰 차이가 없어서 큰 감흥이 없었네요.
~ Mochi's Hard ~
  1. 01:39:184 (2,3,4) - I actually can't see why (3,4) is having a larger spacing according to the music. The current design feels like weakening the effect of the jump of 01:39:601 (4,1) personally.
~ Insane ~
  1. 01:02:934 (7,1,2) - 보컬 중심으로 디자인 되지 않았을 수도 있습니다만, 음악을 들어보시면 01:03:663에 특징적인 보컬이 등장함을 느끼실 수 있을 겁니다. 이는 키아이 내 2절 대응 파트인 01:16:268 (7,1,2)과는 다른 양상인데, 그러한 차이에도 불구하고 동일하게 표현이 되어있어서 부족함이 느껴졌습니다.
  2. 01:32:726 (4) - 크게 상관은 없는데 여기는 1/4 킥들이라 뉴콤을 넣어보는건 어때요?? 더 직관적으로 다가올 것 같습니다.
  3. 01:39:809 (1,2) - 다른 유사한 1/4 확장 슬라 용례에서는 이런 식으로 중간에 follow point 없게 처리한 경우가 많았는데 여기도 마찬가지로 그렇게 처리하는게 어떨까요?
Momochikun
Fixing blankets and slider shape, keeping nc for personal purpose.
I also reduced the spacing of 3 to 4 , thanks !

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Topic Starter
Ozato Fumika
첫번째 부분 빼고 수정했습니다.
첫번째 지적하신건 보컬 이해하기 다른거같네요.
Ashton
hey tehre

[insane]

00:07:726 (5,6,7,1,2,3) - wouldn't it make sense if (1) (2) and (3) had more spacing as the pitch rises?
00:43:351 (1) - I can see that the middle anchor is barely doing anything, kind of weird for it to be there imo, by barely doing anything I mean that if you were to remove it, it wouldn't make much of a difference, almost no difference to the naked eye
00:51:684 (1,2,3) - I think spacing should be consistent here, these isn't anything to emphasize so why increase spacing?
00:54:809 (4,1) - sorry, but I would suggest fixing this blanket NAZI
00:58:768 (3,2) - I would suggest putting (3) on the anchor of (2) for consistency reasons


for a map thats being bubbled, there isn't much to say, also you probably are going to deny lots of this
Topic Starter
Ozato Fumika

Whirl wrote:

hey tehre

[insane]

00:07:726 (5,6,7,1,2,3) - wouldn't it make sense if (1) (2) and (3) had more spacing as the pitch rises? i don't really care about minor things
00:43:351 (1) - I can see that the middle anchor is barely doing anything, kind of weird for it to be there imo, by barely doing anything I mean that if you were to remove it, it wouldn't make much of a difference, almost no difference to the naked eye if it doesnt make any difference anyway, why bother
00:51:684 (1,2,3) - I think spacing should be consistent here, these isn't anything to emphasize so why increase spacing? it's a pattern
00:54:809 (4,1) - sorry, but I would suggest fixing this blanket NAZI i think it's fine
00:58:768 (3,2) - I would suggest putting (3) on the anchor of (2) for consistency reasons don't really want to do that


for a map thats being bubbled, there isn't much to say, also you probably are going to deny lots of this
Beomsan

[C u r i] wrote:

[Beom's Normal]
00:07:309 (3,4) - 이렇게 바꿔보는건 어떨까요 지금은 뭔가 흐름이 끊긴다는 느낌이 든다는 동선같아요 원래 제가 이런거 안쓰는건 말 안해도 아실테지만 빈도를 보시면 제가 어울린다고 생각해서 썼다는걸 아실 수 있을 거 같아요. 그런 이유에서 고치진 않겠습니다00:11:268 (4) - 커브 넣어보는건 어떨까요 00:11:268 (4,1) - 서로 좌우 대칭느낌 나게끔 지금이 더 좋은 거 같네요
00:12:309 (2) - DS체크 이미 0.81x로 크게 벗어나지 않았습니다.
00:26:893 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 열차가 조금 길다고 생각되는데 1/1슬라 몇개를 노트로 바꾸는건 어떨까요?
00:48:143 (4,1) - 외관상으로 별로 좋지 못한 흐름이라고 생각했습니다. 00:48:351 (1) - 이걸 조금 아래로 내리는건 어떨까요?
01:02:934 (4) - 01:02:934 - 이부분을 노트로 바꾸고 01:03:351 - 여기서 슬라이더를 시작하는건 어떨까요? 굿포인트 같은 부분도 같이 바꿨습니다

맵전체적으로 열차가 조금 길게 이어진다는 느낌을 적지않게 받았는데 중간중간에 조금 끊는게 좋을거 같아 보이네요 열차에 대해서는 밑에서 설명하겠습니다.

제 모딩력은 여기까지..

W h i t e wrote:

디스코드는 위대했다.

[범산님 노말]
  1. 01:23:351 (1,1) - 스핀보다는 슬라이더로 하시는게 어떨까요? 흰 틱에 노트가 없는 것이어색해도 너무 어색해서... 스피너 다 지우고 노트좀 넣었습니다. 슬라이더 모양을 잘 못내서 결국 3점 ㅠㅠ
  2. 맵에 큰 문제는 없습니다.
    다만 클랩, 휘슬 같은 힛사가 안 찍혀있고, 기차가 긴 것들이 꽤나 많은 것 같습니다.
굳럭!

Sonnyc wrote:

~ Beom's Normal ~
  1. 01:23:351 (1,1) - 더블 스피너는 각 스피너 마다의 길이도 짧거니와 낮은 난이도일수록 유저들이 반응이 탁월하지 못한 경우가 많아서 권장하지 않는 편입니다. 노말 난이도인만큼 단일 스피너로 처리하는건 어떨까요?
  2. 01:25:018 (1,1) - 느끼고 계시는지 모르겠습니다만 현재 01:26:684의 강렬한 음을 표현하지 않은 상태로 스피너와 다음 노트로의 전환이 일어나서 연결이 상당히 부자연스럽습니다. 일단 스피너를 저 강한 음까지 늘려주시고, 회복 시간을 위해서 01:27:309 (1,2)를 아예 지우는게 연결상으로는 훨씬 매끄러워질거라고 봅니다. 처음엔 단일 스피너였는데 그 것도 지금 생각해보니 별로같아서 스피너 지우고 노트 몇 개 추가했습니다.
  3. 힛사 추가해주시고
  4. 전반적으로 랭크 가능 그 이상은 아닌거 같은 느낌이었습니다. 주로 흐름 위주로 디자인되어있어서 표현된 패턴들이 많지 않다고 느껴져서 그랬던 것 같습니다. 배치를 흐름 따라서만 하는 것에서 더 나아가 노트들이 패턴감을 형성할 수 있게 패턴 짜는 연습해보시면 나쁘지 않을 듯 하네요. 유사한 이야기가 될 것 같습니다만 가령 01:38:143 (1,2,3,4,5)의 경우 음악이 두드러지게 달랐음에도 다른 부분들과 큰 차이가 없어서 큰 감흥이 없었네요. 이게 제 생각에는 기차패턴 지적이랑 일맥상통하는 부분이라고 생각되네요. 다음부터는 그런 부분들 생각하면서 해보겠습니다.
저는 머 쥐뿔도 없지만 한 스타일같은걸 고집하지는 않고 곡에 따라서 많이 바뀌는데, 이 곡 같은 경우엔 통통거리는 배경음이 저한테 인상이 깊었고, 그래서 패턴적으로 변화를 준다 그런건 좀 부적절해보였고 리듬을 적극 활용해서 맵을 만들자는 그런 설계가 있었습니다.

그래서 꽤나 꽉 찬 편인 리듬때문에 기차패턴이 생기고 플로우 위주로 가다보니 패턴이 배제됐습니다.
이런 면이 안좋을 수도 있다는건 이해하고 있지만 저는 노말을 필요로 하는 플레이어들에게도 적절하고 제 생각대로 잘 나온 맵이라고 생각합니다.

제가 할 수만 있다면 다음에는 이걸 경험삼아 더 잘 만들어보고 싶네요.

감사합니다 (__)

님 힛사 해준다매요 ~~
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Topic Starter
Ozato Fumika
업뎃 완료
Janpai
I just wanna say sth about Beom's Normal
  1. 00:06:476 (1,2,3) - These objects looks pretty crumpled to me xD how about stacking (2) to (3)?
  2. 00:20:226 (1,2) - I think this is a lot more easier if this was a 1/2 reverse
  3. 00:22:934 (3) - Turn into circle only? the rhythm chains is too long even if it's a slow song
  4. 00:25:018 - I think there should be a circle here? cuz you putted one before and their sound is just the same
  5. 00:29:601 (3) - Same thing about 00:22:934 (3) -
  6. 00:30:018 (1,2) - I think this can be simplified by 1/1 slider. No need to follow everything in the BG sounds, consider that in normals it's like all measurements have 1/2s
  7. 00:32:934 (3,1) - Why not follow the vocal like you did at 00:31:684 (1,2) -
  8. 00:34:601 (3) - Same thing about circle thingy
Actually these diff looks like an advanced, 00:31:684 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - imo these things isn't beginner friendly, you use too much 1/2s here, even if the song is not fast there should have been some 1/1 gaps in it. If you're doing this because of SR then that's not the basis of a normal diff, I suggest you to reduce those overused 1/2s.
Topic Starter
Ozato Fumika
beomsan asked me to translate his answers, but im too far lazy and demotivated to do so.

basically he has his reasons, and thinks the rhythm is acceptable for normal diff.
Beomsan
/me slaps momoka

+there are no elements other than hard rhythm I guess. also 140bpm is very vague. not fast or slow imo. so overall rhythm and train is probably fine. I can't reply to your mod correctly for now. (the reason is my english skill and too long personal opinion etc yea I'm idiot) but I was really considering your words.

if I get more mention about this in near future, I might will change them xd cuz I can understand your overall suggest slightly.

thanks for your opinion
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Ozato Fumika
님 저 ㄹㅇ 귀찮아서 ㅋㅋ
Sonnyc
Nominated.
Mei
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Ozato Fumika

Mei wrote:

cute rem
Karen
metadata?

I
00:17:309 (3,4) - this 3/4 rhythm sounds weird, the music here sounds consistent with 00:13:976 (4) - so you'd better make it 1/2 or 1/1 i think
01:00:434 (2,7) - you can make the stack better :3


nothing to mod orz
Topic Starter
Ozato Fumika

Karen wrote:

metadata?

I
00:17:309 (3,4) - this 3/4 rhythm sounds weird, the music here sounds consistent with 00:13:976 (4) - so you'd better make it 1/2 or 1/1 i think I was trying to emphasize the snare here 00:17:726 (4) -
01:00:434 (2,7) - you can make the stack better :3 ok :333


nothing to mod orz
metadata ->nsfw video, click at your own risk.

『恋ひ恋ふ縁』(“こいこうえにし”と読みます)
Karen
:3
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Ozato Fumika

Karen wrote:

:3
yay thanks :3//
Akitoshi
Gratz! :D
alacat
Nice!!! Grats Momoka~
Reillia
기무 앙
Beomsan
gratz
Renka
Congrats~
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Ozato Fumika
thanks everyone :3
Kalibe
grats No_Dap
grats Moeka
grats Shioi
grats Momoka

!!
mardoka
Congrats!
sahuang
gratz w
Liena
좋은 일 (๑¯Δ¯๑)/
gratz
Koiyuki
gratz No_Dap, Moeka, Shioi and Momoka 8-)
Nathan
grats
Cellina
really
Enon
아기 낳기 ㄹㅇ입니까????
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