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Ling Yuan yousa - Hoshi to Kimi ga Kieta Hi

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Doyak
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We're discussing this on somewhere. Monstrata said it's not against the RC, but RC only restricts very basic/minimum things. As Loctav always says, we need to use our brain, and think what the purpose of those rules are. So to say, even if the star rating allows it, it can still be not enough as the easiest difficulty, if the elements introduced in the map is not appropriate. Also the RC says this on guideline: "If your mapset does not have an Easy difficulty your Normal difficulty should follow the general guidelines for Easy difficulties." More to say, QATs use the word "beginner-friendly" for the easiest diff, so we need to confirm it too. Also even though this map is mapped like 176bpm, the atmosphere of this song isn't just same as typical other 176bpm songs, so you can easily map an easier diff and still make it fit the song.

If you're really bothered making an easier diff here, there's not much things I can do. I'll check if the nerfed Normal is enough, but if I still don't agree, I can't help with this mapset.
Gaia
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okay i respect that

to be very honest i dont even mind making an easy diff, it's just that i feel like it's redundant. the difficulty issue here is the rhythm right? so for example the chorus part of the song the only thing that would be different in the theoretic easy would be: 00:35:505 (1) - shortened to 1/2, 00:39:425 (3,4) - probably deleted and replaced with a 1/4 repeat, 00:45:050 (3,4,5) - 2 1/2 sliders maybe?
my point is, yes an easy diff would definitely help there's no doubt about that, but it's so much more efficient if we just tone down the normal since they are really just minor rhythm differences

here's a recently ranked map for another example why i think my spread is fine
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1071124
the normal -> hard spread is actually higher in this map, normal consists of a higher 1/2 density than mine too!

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tl;dr: i'm not a stubborn kid, i will make an easy if i absolutely have to. however i think it's much faster for the both of us to just look at the map together and decide what's not good and fix it on the spot. making an easy and getting mods takes a couple days, fixing the current diff together takes a couple mins , i hope you can allow this uni freshman some time to focus on studies (シ_ _)シ

..my midterms are coming up x.....x
Doyak
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Providing examples of other ranked maps is not valid, because they still can be problematic and have flaws. Anyway, I asked for some help from KwaN and here's the copy pasta as she allowed ^.^









Gaia
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Gaia
gan kwan :>
Knotts
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Knotts
Here's your mod

Easy
  1. 00:32:096 (4) - move more to the right
  2. 00:38:232 (4) - curve down
  3. 00:43:005 (3) - less curve
  4. 00:42:942 (3) - Drum-clap?
  5. 00:55:278 (6,7) - change to circle + 1/1 slider
  6. 01:08:232 (1) - Whistle on end?
  7. 01:09:596 (2) - ^
  8. 01:19:141 (1) - NC

gl xd
Gaia
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holy

all fixed

nice mod lmao ty xDDDDD
Sidetail
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  • Easy

  1. 00:27:323 (3) - Try this rhythm for better polarity?
  2. 00:49:141 (4,5) - Move both to the right more, it looks more spaced apart
  3. 00:59:368 (3) - Add whistle on sliderend
  4. 01:19:141 (1) - Kinda ugly lol
Kibbleru
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00:02:778 - holy fuck the piano goes so early.
timing is timed to drums so i guess it should be fine tho :S but fuck it throws me off lol

special
hi fycho..
00:27:834 (2,3) - personally i find it more fitting to space it out
01:23:573 (5,6) - ^
00:40:959 (1) - wave slider would look better here tbh :D
00:51:528 (3) - adding NC here will help people tell that it's 1/3
01:13:346 (3) - ^

insane
00:52:891 (3) - nazi
SPOILER

hard
00:49:823 (3,4) - jump a little big tbh
01:22:550 (2,3) - holy shit this triggers me so much wtf

easy
this diff even necessary?
00:13:687 (1) - pleaseeee
SPOILER
00:39:596 (5) - i wouldnt do this considering how easy ur normal diff already is. u gotta make this diff extra easy for the spread.
same with others ofc.
Gaia
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BetaStar

BetaStar wrote:

SPOILER

  • Easy

  1. 00:27:323 (3) - Try this rhythm for better polarity? will try
  2. 00:49:141 (4,5) - Move both to the right more, it looks more spaced apart
  3. 00:59:368 (3) - Add whistle on sliderend
  4. 01:19:141 (1) - Kinda ugly lol lol


Kibbleru

Kibbleru wrote:

00:02:778 - holy fuck the piano goes so early. yea idk about this either tbh
timing is timed to drums so i guess it should be fine tho :S but fuck it throws me off lol

special
hi fycho.. hi fly ball
00:27:834 (2,3) - personally i find it more fitting to space it out some emphasis ? hehe
01:23:573 (5,6) - ^
00:40:959 (1) - wave slider would look better here tbh :D
00:51:528 (3) - adding NC here will help people tell that it's 1/3
01:13:346 (3) - ^

insane
00:52:891 (3) - nazi
SPOILER

hard
00:49:823 (3,4) - jump a little big tbh slight adjust i think
01:22:550 (2,3) - holy shit this triggers me so much wtf same lmfao

easy
this diff even necessary? THAT'S WHAT I SAID OMF
00:13:687 (1) - pleaseeee
SPOILER
00:39:596 (5) - i wouldnt do this considering how easy ur normal diff already is. u gotta make this diff extra easy for the spread.
same with others ofc. tbh i tried this but then my SR went higher idk why so ima keep for now L O L

ty for modds xDd
no reply are fixed!
Kibbleru
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remove 崩坏学园 from tags since it's already there for the source.

- metadata?
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Gaia
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ty w
Doyak
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k I'll check this asap
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Sies
wow great.. congrats gaia :)
Doyak
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[Easy]
* 01:07:550 (7,1) - Triggered by the blanket :p
* 00:03:800 - 00:09:255 - 01:22:891 - 01:28:346 - Sometimes copy pasta doesn't work for some simplified rhythms. They sound weird because these are quite important sounds if you follow the piano (unlike harder diffs following drums), yet they're not represented properly in this diff. Same for Normal.

[Normal]
* 00:54:596 (5) - NCing this would be consistent and represent the repeat of the rhythms better.
* Any reason why 01:21:868 (1,2,3) - 01:27:323 (1,2) - and 00:02:778 (1,2,3) - 00:08:232 (1,2,3) - are following different instruments? I mean, they're mostly the same musical patterns but you followed pianos in one part, and drums in another.

[Insane]
* 00:51:016 (6) - I don't hear any noticeable sound that can justify this jump. Why not use a 1/4 slider for 5 here? Same for Special diff.

[Special]
* 01:12:664 (3,4) - imo using a 1/4 slider fits the music better, like you did on Insane.
* 01:23:062 - 01:23:573 - I guess you forgot some hitsounds. Copy&pasted diffs too. Also you have whistle only on 01:28:516 - but not on 01:23:062 - 00:09:425 - 00:03:971 -
Gaia
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Doyak

Doyak wrote:

[Easy]
* 01:07:550 (7,1) - Triggered by the blanket :p
* 00:03:800 - 00:09:255 - 01:22:891 - 01:28:346 - Sometimes copy pasta doesn't work for some simplified rhythms. They sound weird because these are quite important sounds if you follow the piano (unlike harder diffs following drums), yet they're not represented properly in this diff. Same for Normal. imo it sounds good since they're all following the piano, yes the 2nd one skips a note but its still overall follows the rhythm. i also chose to simplify rhythms so it wont be the same diff as normal :]

[Normal]
* 00:54:596 (5) - NCing this would be consistent and represent the repeat of the rhythms better.
* Any reason why 01:21:868 (1,2,3) - 01:27:323 (1,2) - and 00:02:778 (1,2,3) - 00:08:232 (1,2,3) - are following different instruments? I mean, they're mostly the same musical patterns but you followed pianos in one part, and drums in another.

[Insane]
* 00:51:016 (6) - I don't hear any noticeable sound that can justify this jump. Why not use a 1/4 slider for 5 here? Same for Special diff. hardly a jump imo, just normal spacing lol

[Special]
* 01:12:664 (3,4) - imo using a 1/4 slider fits the music better, like you did on Insane. more circles here since it's a harder diff, and it's valid since there are individual sounds on all 4 notes
* 01:23:062 - 01:23:573 - I guess you forgot some hitsounds. Copy&pasted diffs too. Also you have whistle only on 01:28:516 - but not on 01:23:062 - 00:09:425 - 00:03:971 - fix on all diffs
thx! all updated~
no comment is fixxxxxed
Doyak
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but 00:50:846 (5,6) - this spacing on Special diff doesn't seem to be a normal spacing at all lol
Doyak
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Some more minor changes if anyone needs
2016-10-06 11:04 Doyak: Yo~
2016-10-06 11:04 Doyak: p/5524735
2016-10-06 11:04 Gaia: o
2016-10-06 11:04 Gaia: oops ill fix that rn
2016-10-06 11:06 Gaia: oky done
2016-10-06 11:06 Doyak: alright I'll recheck this later today~
2016-10-06 11:06 Gaia: okie thxx
2016-10-06 15:18 Doyak: Okay Gaia, are you there?
2016-10-06 15:18 Gaia: yup
2016-10-06 15:18 Doyak: So what I told you about the hitsounds on Easy diff
2016-10-06 15:18 Doyak: is like, "how about adding a whistle on them?"
2016-10-06 15:19 Gaia: oh
2016-10-06 15:19 Gaia: hitsounds
2016-10-06 15:19 Gaia: lol
2016-10-06 15:19 Gaia: ok
2016-10-06 15:19 Doyak: because it's not emphasized properly, that's what I mean
2016-10-06 15:19 Gaia: thought u meant rhythm choice
2016-10-06 15:19 Gaia: mb
2016-10-06 15:20 Gaia: alright added
2016-10-06 15:22 Doyak: ok now about 00:51:016 (6) - this note on Insane/Special
2016-10-06 15:22 Doyak: still there's no emphasizeable sound
2016-10-06 15:22 Doyak: yet you used whistles on them
2016-10-06 15:22 Gaia: ya so i owered the spacing
2016-10-06 15:22 Doyak: and now Insane has bigger jump than Special
2016-10-06 15:22 Gaia: lol
2016-10-06 15:22 Doyak: What do you think?
2016-10-06 15:23 Gaia: well
2016-10-06 15:23 Gaia: insane isnt really meant to be a jump
2016-10-06 15:23 Gaia: same with this one
2016-10-06 15:23 Gaia: so it doesnt really matter if its slightly larger in insane
2016-10-06 15:23 Gaia: ill remove the whistle tho
2016-10-06 15:23 Doyak: Yeah I see, but it still requires some tention
2016-10-06 15:23 Doyak: but it's okay if you want to keep it
2016-10-06 15:23 Doyak: yeah, at least remove the whistles
2016-10-06 15:24 Gaia: yep
2016-10-06 15:24 Doyak: Update when you're done~
2016-10-06 15:25 Gaia: okiee
2016-10-06 15:25 Gaia: donee
2016-10-06 15:25 Gaia: also just fyi i also added some tags
2016-10-06 15:26 Doyak: okay
2016-10-06 15:26 Doyak: ah dang
2016-10-06 15:27 Doyak: 00:51:016 - Hard has the whistle too
2016-10-06 15:27 Gaia: lul ok
2016-10-06 15:28 Doyak: also 01:08:232 (1) - this on Easy now touches the HP bar, might want to avoid it?
2016-10-06 15:28 Gaia: okie
2016-10-06 15:29 Gaia: k all fixed
2016-10-06 15:29 Gaia: anything else?
2016-10-06 15:29 Doyak: uhh let me check
2016-10-06 15:35 Doyak: Maybe increase the AR of Hard a bit?
2016-10-06 15:35 Doyak: Insane as well
2016-10-06 15:35 Gaia: it's going linear right now tho
2016-10-06 15:35 Doyak: Actually Insane/Special is pretty much same in terms of rhythm intensity
2016-10-06 15:35 Gaia: e->n->h increase by 2
2016-10-06 15:35 Gaia: h->i->s increase by 1
2016-10-06 15:35 Doyak: huh that pattern
2016-10-06 15:36 Doyak: If you want to insist that then well
2016-10-06 15:36 Doyak: but I'd say that value is pretty much meaningless
2016-10-06 15:36 Gaia: lul
2016-10-06 15:36 Doyak: Like, for example
2016-10-06 15:36 Gaia: i think it's fine
2016-10-06 15:36 Gaia: hard isnt that hard anyways
2016-10-06 15:36 Doyak: if you assume there's one more diff above Special diff
2016-10-06 15:36 Doyak: You'll use AR10? xD
2016-10-06 15:37 Gaia: lol
2016-10-06 15:37 Gaia: yeah!!
2016-10-06 15:37 Gaia: ACTION runs
2016-10-06 15:37 Doyak: That's not linear at all actually
2016-10-06 15:37 Gaia: well i use a lot of 1/8 patterns in the last diff too
2016-10-06 15:37 Doyak: the proportion of actual approaching speed is vitally different
2016-10-06 15:38 Doyak: Well okay
2016-10-06 15:41 Gaia: owo
2016-10-06 15:42 Doyak: I think others are fine
2016-10-06 15:42 Doyak: update?
2016-10-06 15:42 Gaia: okii
2016-10-06 15:52 Doyak: What is the tag you added btw?
2016-10-06 15:52 Gaia: the chinese title of the song
2016-10-06 15:53 Gaia: this game is made by a chinese company so ya
2016-10-06 15:53 Gaia: the song is in japanese tho
2016-10-06 15:54 Doyak: I see

Nice map, good luck~
Gaia
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Thanks so much!

now back to playing Honkai Impact..... i mean studying o.o

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Gratz you deserve it !
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