Sonnyc wrote:

Light Insane.
00:16:196 (1,2,3) - 00:17:190 (1,2,3) - Is these spacing inconsistency intended? I guess not, seeing the setting of 00:18:185 (1,2,3) etc. yeah, those ones were intended, i'll keep it without changes for now
00:32:111 (1) - 00:33:105 (1) - 00:34:100 - 00:35:095 - 00:36:090 (1) - 00:37:084 (1) - 00:38:079 - Finish in these doesn't seem to fit along the calm music. The music is pretty similar with the first part of the song, and you didn't put finishes here. music is more intense here, i feel like finishes fit that part

Sonnyc wrote:

Arph Insane.
00:22:827 (3,1) - Mind placing a little more spacing between these? That small overlap didn't felt nice in visual. Didn't even notice it, nice catch
00:38:079 (4) - Since the combo is the same, the geometric pattern of (4,5,6,7,8,9) isn't getting discerned with the triangle of (1,2,3) that is going along 00:37:084 (1,2,3). This was actually a mistake I intended to fix but didn't know dirai was actually still updating this until just now xd

Arphimigon wrote:

Me irl sam tbh fam

[Expert]
...I can't believe I have no problem with this yet want to burn it at the same time
Only you, diri, could do this to me sorry but i think your mod was too advanced, if i made the changes you mentioned in this mod it wouldn't be my map anymore, stop nazi modding all of these things you mentioned are either nazi or forced mod.

[Advanced]
IDC I NEED TO POINT SOMETHING OUT SO I TRYHARD
*thinks*
00:30:121 (2,3) - BLANKET HNGGGG fixd
For all I know this might be right and I'm just blind xd

*fly* okdad

Arphimigon wrote:

[Alex is insane]

00:02:933 (3,1) - Triggered this isn't straight line aaa don't want to break triangle 1-3-1 but it was imperfect anyways so had to fix
00:04:259 (1,1) - Triggered these don't overlap directly i've tried but can't fix ;_; actual overlap isn't that much off pls mercy
00:08:901 (2,3) - Triggered this isn't straight but 00:12:880 (2,3) - is fixed but took me way longer than id want to
00:19:843 (3) - Triggered by imperfect overlap should be 2 pixels to the right (00:19:180 (1) - overlap with this) and should face away from 2 mmm fixed
tl;dr triggered because of not straight lines which might be a design choice but I needed something to get triggered by i hope you enjoyed being triggered

CanadianBaka wrote:

00:38:742 (1,2,1,2) - for antares- light insane, why is this gaining SV when the music is getting less pronounced?


just thought i'd point this out

Antares- wrote:

CanadianBaka wrote:

00:38:742 (1,2,1,2) - for antares- light insane, why is this gaining SV when the music is getting less pronounced?


just thought i'd point this out

for me song is building up here into calm 1/1 at end - so pattern is fine, not changing

CanadianBaka wrote:

just thought i'd point this out

diraimur wrote:

one can understand follow point
you cant
youre just too weak

CanadianBaka wrote:

Antares- wrote:

for me song is building up here into calm 1/1 at end - so pattern is fine, not changing

1/1 would be better if it was slowly getting easier, rather than going from easier, to hardest, and then falling straight back down to easy

but w/e

Dg_ThePlayer wrote:

- Expert -
00:02:933 (3) -
A slider like these looks more "comfortable" i personally don't think thats more comfortable either but that slider was kinda uncomfortable to play i'll admit so i changed

Dg_ThePlayer wrote:

00:04:922 (4) -
I think these slider looks better like this instead of this Angle is far too steep, don't like the motion since it feels like a stop and reverse


00:21:169 (1,2,3) -
I think it's looks more "comfortable" being like this OR This I neither like the spacing nor the sharp angle nor the distancing in either of the two :c

MrSergio wrote:

Kyshiro:
- 00:07:243 (7) - ctrl + g? I'd rather keep it this way, if I ctrl+g this it'll ruin the flow of the stuff that comes after it

MrSergio wrote:

Having a beginner in the set is frankly not needed at all. The easy is already easy enough, not to mention the song is short
Like.. seriously... 00:32:111 (1) - 10 secs of slider. Just why, it's boring as hell (nice sliderart btw)


Last time I actually get involved with a mapset with so many GDs.
Hehh...


PS: SB should be fine. I don't get any more spikes above x9 at all and it's more fluid than before.

Sonnyc wrote:

The best point I liked was the structures, and then the patterns selected to elaborate the structure. Also the selection of guest difficulty mappers was good. I've got a feeling that they weren't just randomly hired people to make a completed spread, but are selected people to fulfill the concept of your mapping.

zigizigiefe wrote:

Bubble'ım patladığından beri bubble görmüyordum.TİŞİKKİRLİR DİRAİMUR

Desperate-kun wrote:

Sorry for being harsh, but the Beginner difficulty is just bad.

It ignores the song completely with its rhythm. It's so undermapped that nobody who joins this game (target audience for this difficulty) will even understand how it's related to the music. 00:08:238 (1) - 00:12:217 (3) - 00:16:196 (1) - 00:20:174 (3,4) - Those sliders hint that it's supposed to follow the melody, the rest of the map ignores the melody completely though or simplifies it so hard that any relation to the music isn't noticable by anyone without mapping experience. i'll have to disagree, krfawy has mapped to the melody on background which are far less dense than main melody, i'm not sure about "isn't noticable anyone without mapping experience" i think its too early to say that without seeing players play first.

The intensity of the map itself is unrelated to the song's intensity. When the song gets more intense, the mapping should get more intense too, this applies for all level of difficulties. In this map, the intense buildup section of the song is followed with an extremely long slider, so all kind of rhythm emphasis is lost for this section. Due to the extremely low density of the map, it is not even possible to follow the song's intensity correctly anyway, but that's another topic. kinda agree about intensity, however in this scenario its clear that sliders are far harder than multiple notes/shorter sliders because of how map is designed, sliders are far hard beacuse of how fast they are compared to the spacing. and i also believe that sliders follow the melody pretty well with shapes they represent.

The spacing of 0.4x is just way too low. This completely ignores the concept of time-distance-equality, because the players have to slow down to less than half of the movement speed when transitioning from a slider to the next object. Moreover, it makes the map look like a giant chain of objects. The stacks don't help with that, either. If you already use such an incredibly low density (which doesn't work, for above mentioned reasons), then atleast spread the objects further out to create movement emphasis, more interesting patterns and use more of the playfield. can't really disagree much here, but i think its still kinda debatable, let's see what krfawy has to say about this. on the side note however, its possible to argue this map focuses on sliders and slider patterns instead of emphasis through movement between objects.



There is a reason why osu! starts with 'Easy' or 'Normal' difficulty levels that are pretty difficult to get into for some people compared to other games. This is a rhythm game and even the easiest maps should meet the required quality standards (following the song well, changing intensity based on the song etc). This one doesn't and should be removed entirely from the mapset, no offense to Krfawy. i thought quality was pretty ok, it just doesn't follow the song traditional ways and im not sure if it's necessarily a bad thing because almost every easy diffs on sets are same anyway, it wouldn't be much different than other easy/beginner diffs if he had done a traditional one, i think in this scenario where we already have lots of easy/beginner diffs that does the same thing, variety is a good thing.

1. 00:08:238 (1) - Make the slider path clearer. As it is right now it's likely confusing for a new player because 1/4th of the slider covers itself in an up/down motion.
2. Consider unstacking 00:25:148 (2) - and 00:29:127 (5) - , stacks usually aren't a good idea in easy diffs, new players usually have a very vague concept of rhythm and stacking 3 notes on top of each other usually will lead to the player getting confused and mashing the keys (ya i speak from experience)

Krfawy wrote:

As far as I fully understand the point of view that my Beginner difficulty is not that dense, the theory of it ignoring the rhythm is at least contrived and as abstract as an idea of "Krfawy" changing his nickname to "Krwawy".

Krfawy wrote:

Firstly, the map is rhythmical as it stresses all the kicks and sounds needed in a pretty obvious and noob-friendly way. Sure, I can agree on the fact it ommits some sounds but still it's done in a regular fashion to make a more fun gameplay just like here: 00:08:238 (1) - it ignores the drumy-clappy like sound on 00:09:233 - but the structure is still straightforward for the newest players and it keeps the rhythm going.

Krfawy wrote:

Secondly, the technicality of the song should not allow using the higher spacing with this pace of the song. The actual spacing creates chains, right, and what is wrong with them? They are perfectly visible and catchable and achievable for the audience targeted.

Krfawy wrote:

Using anything above the digit 0.8 would result in making the spacing a regular jump training for the beginners and now pardon me but the jump trainings are avaiable in Advanced+ diffs and not in the easiest ones. As you said, there is a theory behind making easies and it surely exists but is not used anymore as people think that using relatively high spacing for 1/1 notes like *THIS* for this particular song in the easiest diff is easy enough for the easy playerbase. No, Despie, it is not. That will rather cause people come down with RSI or cancer due to the unrealistically dramatic distances and awful designs.

Krfawy wrote:

I am more than sure that I've worded myself in an approachable and so have I mapped my map in that fashion as well. However, if my rejection is going to only slow down the ranking process of the map as you, Desp, are going to veto the map, then I will be more than willing to get my difficulty removed from the set but only if you are going to renominate the map as I am sure that my difficulty being the easiest one is your only concer here and the rest of the set is brilliant in your opinion. If not, I won't agree on removing my difficulty.