1. NiNo's Extra (5.47 stars, 942 notes)
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NiNo's Extra - SnowNiNo_

As per the request of...

nuvasek wrote:

M4M
personaly the half of the map is quite ResidentSleeper but ik its not ur fault
map is pretty nice to play when the crazy sliders come in and stuff but there are 2 pretty bullshit patterns there that arent really fcable(maybe)

00:12:399 (2) - no beat nothing at all yes beat clarinet
00:21:864 (2) - a bit late but idk this part is mapped to trumpet / clarinet thing but hitsounded to keep the uniformity of percussion hitsounds
00:23:042 (3) - no beat no beat but im going to keep it there because without it there's a pretty empty space and leaves me lonely and since it follows the same structure and pattern as the previous 2, its easily read
00:30:756 - ^ voice resumes on "tune"
01:50:368 (2,3) - very late yeah snover said he was going to redo the first timing later because he thinks it's around +7 off
01:56:368 - i would fill up the space throughout first kiai, this pattern is uniform. it is mapped to the claps and doesn't change its rhythm.
02:01:918 (1) - this slider doesnt fit to my ears covers both of the snares on 02:01:918 - and 02:02:368 - , delete the note if it helps listen
02:05:968 - would put a beat here again but thats just my style ^
02:26:143 - too many circle-sliders - playing it was very exhausting - try to shift/alternate between the circle-slider and slider without circle so i dont sleep while playing it changed to this because i noticed that anyone i asked to play this would get 100's on the circles, and not the sliders
03:08:232 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - idk cant do it even with alternating or just spamming it but if u were able to fc it the damn son melloe smashed that bitch on his first try (tbh i made the map and it took me 2, but the song warrants these 1/4 jump streams because the emphasis is so heavy with the claps, percussion, and violin sounding thing (i cant do instruments rn like idk what that instrument is called because im so braindead rn)
03:23:660 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - listen at 25% - doesnt sound good ???? mapped to claps and snares
03:46:589 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - top players could probably do this? idk its just REALLY hard to read(unless thats what u wanted) unless u are god - i suggest nerf yeah mostly everyone has eaten shit on this combo pattern, I'll definitely be nerfing this somewhere along the road but I need to figure out first if its a reading issue or spacing issue
03:51:089 - my ears are 95% focused on the vocal part of this so i suggest changing that part to fit the voice will keep this in mind, it hasn't been read improperly by anyone i've asked to play it yet tho
04:15:303 (2) - replacing it with 1/4 slider(the short thingy slider) would be nice same musical chunk as 00:34:828 - and mapped the same way

Pikastar wrote:

ok first of all I'm literally from 2012 where this kind of mapping style didn't exist. so I don't think I can properly mod :s
just feel free to ignore w/o any reason, I won't be offended at all Croatian Rhapsody <3

it was a little confusing for me, of course that's because i'm bad. but :

03:15:839 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
03:22:696 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
03:39:732 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2) -
(and copa pastas of those patterns)

are extra confusing. most of these come from not being able to know where 03:22:803 (4,5) - will be headed because they're 100% stacked to eachother. yeah those vertical stacking slider patterns are what people have struggled on the most and for good reason, I'm still looking for a fitting alternative atm, although i plan on keeping 03:39:732 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - just about the same since it's just a faster 02:08:218 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) -


01:34:168 (2,3,4) - also instead of current pattern, i'd prefer something like 01:50:968 (2,3,4) - . Like they'll basically play the same but would be much less confusing. 01:34:018 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - uniform through the lower frequency wubs and is not the same musical chunk as 01:50:818 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - which is higher frequency wubs

although i have 0 idea on how this kind of mapping style works, I'm pretty sure if they play almost the same it's better to be placed in less confusing way? since the way i stack notes over slider tracks is introduced way earlier in the map, it's not too bad to read during the kiai, but yes less confusing is good lol ill look into it with more testplayers

thats me though, likely i'm wrong haha nah u good c:


I tried lol sorry for being a bad modder xD <3 thanks very much regardless

- Yoshimaro - wrote:

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1. 01:13:619 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - 100% copy a bit stupid, change direction/order will more fun. such as ctrl+g slider , exchange 01:14:295 (2,3) - 01:15:629 (2,3) - or like 01:19:198 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - different part with same feeling
   
2. 01:48:718 (1) - 01:58:318 (1) - it's 1/3, other part same, but 01:41:518 (1) - not 1/3 …… if the timing by yourself i think you can check there by yourself too
   
3. 02:12:418 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,1) - as above, 100% copy is stupid …… it's more obvious in long map, let's imagine a 10 mins map, with 1min ctrl+v * 10 …… the key is same feeling
   

William K wrote:

- Yoshimaro - wrote:

any no mod FC = 3 months of supporter OR 12$ to any charity so long as they accept credit card or paypal and are credible (known not to launder money etc etc.)

XD seriously? sure why not

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Are you overmapping this? If yes... okay lol welp not really sure lets ask mods

1. 00:12:399 (2,3) - Since you did a vertical one here, how about making 00:12:971 (4,1) - the same to make it look better and flow better? 00:12:399 (2,3) - The one you did here was 2-3 was a straight down line. But if you was aiming for a diagonal line like the one you did with 00:12:542 (3,4) - , how about making it more far since I think it's not emphasized properly, the clap there seemed to be so strong. (And it's extra though.) o good idea lemme do that instead
2. 00:15:756 (2) - How about a CTRL+G here? sure and did same here 00:19:185 (2) -
3. 00:32:149 (3,4) - Actually this is pretty hard to read, players will think that 3-4 is a 1/2 jump, not a triplet since you spaced 00:32:042 (2,3) - the same with 00:31:828 (1,2) - spacing is the same yes but the arrangement is different. 00:30:971 (1,2) - in comparison to directly across the square 00:31:828 (1,2) - inherently makes this a different read. it is not the fault of spacing, and i haven't nor have i seen anyone else misread this
4. 00:34:721 - You missed a note here? since it seemed like that you still follow the same instrument here. there's a record scratch here, but no this is not what's being mapped. 00:35:899 (4) - is higher pitch and hence more audible in contrast to the heavy low frequency drums, and it also lines up well with vocals
5. 01:29:518 (3,4,5) - Players might misread this like... the first that plays is 3, and the second is number 5. Because they expect to have a zig zag pattern here, and it would be more matching here. the AR is high enough to prevent that (atleast i havent seen a misread on this yet) also there is heavy kick emphasis on 01:29:818 - which warrants the jump in the first place
6. Good slider arts XD but the SV changes made them touching an impossible level for human orz myself, various friends, and testplayers have all FC'd this first kiai (second kiai completely different tho that shit's monstrous LOOOL)
7. 02:24:118 (3,1) - How about switching the NCs here to make people understand that 02:23:968 (2,3,4) - is only for designs, since the one you did here is 2-3 = 1/2 gap, and 3-4 = 1/1 gap. It would make players misread these all with 1/2 gaps unlike the one you did with 02:24:418 (4,1) -. Players will directly notice the one here since they have a bigger spacing than the one 02:24:118 (3,4) - . mapped consistently throughout first kiai
8. 02:45:387 (3,4) - How about making the SV here lower since I heard sort of sound that is slower? sure
9. 03:33:249 (2,3,4,5,6) - Actually this is a bit unhumanly, but whatever XD melloe landed it, so we'll see about that
10. 04:52:303 (2) - wrong snapped? I think an ordinary 1/2 slider to follow vocals is more suiting here. o shit fix

That's all from me, I think. GL~ thank c:

Narcissu wrote:

skin need “a set”, you add “scorebar-ki” so you have to add “score-comma“,”score-percent” etc. i suggest you give up add skin, it's a bit trouble aw man, ok will fix this. ill upload later without skin elements

color5 resemble color6, same color is unrankable so change one better ok, made 5 lighter to be unmistakably less saturated

your map without Storyboard …… so close all “√” about “F4 → Design” i dont understand sorry :c

i guess some Hitsound delay, because you use many Hitsound and you without ranked map ... ok i mean ill definitely try and fix my hitsounds but why is that at all relevant lol

you should delete useless red line such as 00:54:971 - k

[look like all diff same]

1. 01:13:619 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - 100% copy a bit stupid, change direction/order will more fun. such as ctrl+g slider , exchange 01:14:295 (2,3) - 01:15:629 (2,3) - or like 01:19:198 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - different part with same feeling google "broken record"
   
2. 01:48:718 (1) - 01:58:318 (1) - it's 1/3, other part same, but 01:41:518 (1) - not 1/3 …… if the timing by yourself i think you can check there by yourself too all of these instances are mapepd to "I've got that" and therefore follow the same 1/3 structure..... but timing is done by snover, and he said he was going to probably redo the first set of timing points because he believes they are around +7 off... which in retrospect might be why it feels like hitsounds are off, because the map is actually off lol
   
3. 02:12:418 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,1) - as above, 100% copy is stupid …… it's more obvious in long map, let's imagine a 10 mins map, with 1min ctrl+v * 10 …… the key is same feeling not ctrl c +ctrl v, just exact same format. since this song is so crazy stupidly complex, i felt that the patterns should be as uniform as possible to make reading such a crazy map easier. and seriously, 02:12:568 (2) - 0.24 01:34:168 (2) - 0.26 01:44:068 (5) - 0.25 (and different arrangement

try practice more style,

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1. 00:23:685 (3) - strange, make shape like you did before? 00:18:542 (2) -
2. 02:03:718 (1) - I think the end of slider is close with itself, increase the space? just like 02:03:718 (1,1) - the space of circle and the slider and 02:11:518 (1) -
3. 02:19:318 (2,3) - too close, move 02:19:618 (3) - to right a little ?
4. 02:53:456 (1,2,3) - make a triangle?
5. 03:25:696 (2) - how about
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   , then 03:25:696 (2,1) - the slider's end circle and bule one will same space with red slider itself
6. 03:26:553 (2,1) - make a blanket?
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7. 04:02:874 (3,2) - not overlap completely, check it
8. 04:54:517 (1) - hitsounds volume 60% is a little loud, dont you think?
9. 04:45:089 (2,3,4) - actually, not completely triangle

_Stan wrote:

hey from my queue

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1. 00:23:685 (3) - strange, make shape like you did before? 00:18:542 (2) - the object is just about the same shape, just functions in reverse order (which is weird saying that because it performs to accomplish the same flow lol... huh english is stupid c:) if more people are estranged to it's aesthetic i suppose ill change but idk i like it.
2. 02:03:718 (1) - I think the end of slider is close with itself, increase the space? just like 02:03:718 (1,1) - the space of circle and the slider and 02:11:518 (1) - oh tru that, looked a bit sloppy so i fixed. should no longer give the impression of clipping itself
3. 02:19:318 (2,3) - too close, move 02:19:618 (3) - to right a little ? when i look at it from 02:19:318 - i dont see an issue with spacing
4. 02:53:456 (1,2,3) - make a triangle? i cant tell if should agree or disagree because that is a triangle... right?? Edit: yes that is already a triangle 02:52:692 (1,2,1,2,3) -
5. 03:25:696 (2) - how about
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   , then 03:25:696 (2,1) - the slider's end circle and bule one will same space with red slider itself I LOVE THINKING ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH AS PEOPLE. HOLY SHIT YOU JUST CORRECTED MY AESTHETIC I LOVE YOU
6. 03:26:553 (2,1) - make a blanket? 03:26:553 (2,3) - blanketed as it is, i think this level of complexity is just enough to not restrict where i need to map
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7. 04:02:874 (3,2) - not overlap completely, check it fixed blanket
8. 04:54:517 (1) - hitsounds volume 60% is a little loud, dont you think? 45%
9. 04:45:089 (2,3,4) - actually, not completely triangle is for me? i just take 04:45:089 (2,3) - and rotate 120 but it is triangle for me idk

so great map and I like this song~ yeah~ / short mod cuz I can note find any problems more... sorry most manageable mod yet

GOOD LUCK THAAANK

HighTec wrote:

>no testplayer

>>>>>played the map even while it was wip

- _

Wivaiien wrote:

[Solitude]
■ I guess it's obvious, but remove the spaces from the diffname if this goes for rank FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

■ 00:00:542 (2,3) - Personally, I'd space each of these a little less to highlight the stop/go effect more. This isnt necessary though. i think any less would be underwhelming and any more would be OP. in any case, the notes like 00:00:828 (3,5) - just continue in the same direction they came from so it should still highlight that stop/go effect (which you're right its like the only thing im trying to highlight here lol)
■ 00:02:685 (1,2,3,4) - Another subjective thing - I think these combos would look more appealing like this. yessir, i didnt change the angle of the slider to note but moved 00:02:971 (2) - to be the left side of square with 00:02:114 (2,4) - and moved 00:03:399 (4) - to follow the line created by 00:03:972 (3,4) - . this comes out to be pretty much the same aesthetic and follows nice formula too so h e h e
■ 00:09:828 (6) - should probably keep the basic idea of these combos (space less). ok
■ 00:20:685 (1,2,3) - Would probably be a good idea to make these somehow 'different' to the others (more spacing, generally different shape) so that it's possible to read the timing difference to 00:20:256 (2,3) - without having to rely on the approach circle too much. haven't seen anyone misread this yet, but if it happens ill take what you said into consideration
■ 00:21:328 (3,1) - 00:22:185 (3,1) - kind of the same thing, but it works as 'reverse spacing' ... maybe it's fine after all. Keep these things watched though. ok c:
■ 00:25:292 (1,2,3) - space a bit further away because timing = spacing and to avoid the overlap with 00:24:971 (3) - ok, a square spaces nicely
■ 00:28:399 (1,2,3,4,5) - Yea, this is where it gets more dangerous with the spacing. There is no way to find out whether this section has a normal timing (1/2) or has a faster timing (1/4) without completely relying on the approach circle. Ive been out of the loop on these for a while, so I cant really tell if this is unrankable or not. They would be, if this was 2015, that's all I can say. Try to avoid that. i've been keeping this in mind, idk if artistically it was a bad idea to have this sort of "broken record" theme recurring throughout the map to emphasize skip backs in musical chunks but idk... no one has misread these yet but for sure im keeping these in mind. just for now i ctrl G 00:28:721 (3) - ... that might've been worse lol idk fucc... if it is an unrankable issue ill change it all but for right now its just an artistic gimmick (and again i havent yet seen misreads)
-> 00:30:114 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - on the other hand are good to go and easy to read since every Jump has a Kickslider. Try to do something with this instead
■ 00:32:685 (1,2,3,1) - But then again, try to use Kicksliders consistently. All of these are Kicksliders with about the same distance between each object - however, 3->1 is a 1/4 jump while the others are not. Readability wise, not good aaah i see, i think this maybe resolves issue? i basically switched 00:33:328 (3,1) - the placement of these and molded it to the square a in a way that there is clearly more emphasis on 00:33:542 (1) - than say 00:32:685 (1,2) - . also, moved 00:33:756 (2) - in reverse flow to 00:33:542 (1) - to capture record scratch in a way that doesn't use so much spacing to confuse reading
■ 00:35:685 (3,4) - Similar thing. A few combos ago, this couldve been a 1/4 jump. i think this combo does a much better job of clarifying emphasis, also i think i fixed up previous pattern idk :pray: :pray: :pray:

There's alot about consistency in the first few seconds of the map. Sometimes a small visual gap is indeed a small timing gap too, but the next time it's a longer timing gap. These things should be made more clear somehow. Timing inbetween objects should be visualized by how far these objects are spaced apart from each other, just like there's a bigger gap in the timeline on top of the editor.
I can see why youve mapped things like this, but right now it's just really messy and very inconsistent. seems that way XD this helps tho thank

(I like the speedup part though. It's clearly visible where the strong beats are (since these are supported by jumps) and it seems generally more polished. Maybe take that as an example)

■ 01:48:718 (1) - This seems to be the only object in this pattern that's almost touching the previous Slider. Move a bit further away to fit in with the others? (like 01:58:018 (3,1) - ) oops yeah i was using 01:48:718 (1) - to bridge 01:47:518 (1,1) - , so i moved 01:48:418 (3) - down and fix the blanket on 01:49:318 (1) - to adjust
■ 03:08:232 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - If you feel fancy, you could have the first 8 objects have less spacing than the last 8 objects have (bit more of a buildup thing) i think if i started in a way that its stacked just enough for the first 2 and then jumps for the last couple than it would be easier to read (more predict really) and prevent combo breaks (or just add to the amount of clusterfuck)... lemme try that
■ 03:33:089 (1) - The rhythm on this is extremely weird, but it's not 1/8th. The wub's are on some weird 1/12th triplet basis and I dont even fucking know, but this is what it sounds like to me. Do what you feel like doing, since 1/12th triplets would be overkill lol yeah trust me i spent like 3 hours alone just staring at the audio file to make sure i wasnt crazy... mapping it in 1/8 really is the only solution that is at all acceptable to the human range of perception when playing this part because otherwise i'd have to go like 1/24 or something retarded in the editor and i cant do that unfortunately xD... sry (i do think your timing is maybe a bit more true to the music but really tho like how do i map that rhythm in a readable way LOL trickaz went stupid with the rhythm so ill just leave it how it is) also lmao 1/12 no thank

03:33:089 (1) - ends on 03:33:232 - (at least this is where I feel like the wub sound stops it's main thing)

03:33:303 (1) - Triplet 1 Circle 1 Pitch A
03:33:339 (2) - Triplet 1 Circle 2 Pitch B
03:33:374 (3) - Triplet 1 Circle 3 Pitch A

03:33:410 No sound, only continuous noise from before

03:33:446 (1) - Triplet 2 Circle 1 Pitch A
03:33:482 (2) - Triplet 2 Circle 2 Pitch B
03:33:517 (3) - Triplet 2 Circle 3 Pitch A + Bass

■ 03:36:517 (1,2,3,4) - probably the same thing, but Im not gonna doublecheck yeah lets just put that behind us
■ 04:32:232 (1) - ends on 04:33:517 o i wasnt mapping it to the really quiet trumpet noise thing but i guess this works why not
■ 04:53:089 (4) - sits on the 1/4th blue tick after where it is right now oh what i had that there to begin with why did that move lol

idk really. I personally feel like the spacing thingies I pointed out at the top might not even be 'such big of a problem' since the meta evolved quite alot and therefore many people just ignore any spacing rules. The rest seems to be somewhat fine though(?) I dont know too much about extreme wubby maps, so I cant give any good input on that. idk felt pretty helpful to me

o yeah mods from here and this section 00:24:756 - were also applied to the later section (why mod it twice i mean... u rite)