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BLACKPINK - BOOMBAYAH

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Okoratu
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Okoratu
The snapping issues especially the ones around 01:23:453 - 01:27:293 - and so forth are pretty valid concerns.

You simplified 1/6 in a section where
1. it can be perfectly predictable to have them
2. would be more fitting to have them...?

the vocal thing being somewhat off can be justified as simplification (though i don't see how you say you simplify 1/6 to 1/4 while mapping 1/8 straight out in the same diff)

besides getting to an agreement on a bunch of other places emilia mentioned i have a question as well:

01:17:213 (1,2,3,4) - why do these get short sliders while you map the rest of the stream out, i don't see what's different between these and 01:17:693 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - so why not use all circles while you're at that


also @irre:
02:10:973 - i dont think there's any 1/3 rhythm going on the vocals are attempting to do weird shit like http://puu.sh/saB5B/1a883f1c81.jpg
besides you mapped them as such in 02:09:053 (1,2,3,4,1) -
Natsu
8,074 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Natsu

Okorin wrote:

The snapping issues especially the ones around 01:23:453 - 01:27:293 - and so forth are pretty valid concerns.

You simplified 1/6 in a section where
1. it can be perfectly predictable to have them
2. would be more fitting to have them...?

the vocal thing being somewhat off can be justified as simplification (though i don't see how you say you simplify 1/6 to 1/4 while mapping 1/8 straight out in the same diff)

besides getting to an agreement on a bunch of other places emilia mentioned i have a question as well:

01:17:213 (1,2,3,4) - why do these get short sliders while you map the rest of the stream out, i don't see what's different between these and 01:17:693 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - so why not use all circles while you're at that
I'll add a 1/4 track to the song or try to fix the mp3 somehow, since seems you guys don't agree with the 1/4s and I think the 1/6s hurt the gameplay alot, about the simplification, you know 1/8s are alot different to 1/6s, people can guess the overlapped streams, but I dont think they will guess a 1/6 stack or so. anyways with the mp3 fix I think we will solve the issue.

About your issue with the sliders, it was a full circle stream before, but top players suggest me to introduce the stream with sliders, because is easier to play, I don't have problem to bring back the full streams, but also I don't think is a good idea after i changed them from test play feedback
Okoratu
Nomination Assessment Team / Elite Nominator
4,913 posts
Joined May 2012
Okoratu
hm

mainly the amount of 1/8 sliders seems kinda odd because
introduction of this thing is 01:17:213 (1,2,3,4) - 1/1, and then you have a stream for twice as long

how about having half of this thing 1/8 sliders and the other half as circles which would be a nerf but would would seem less arbitrary / more balanced?
emilia
893 posts
Joined October 2012
emilia

Okorin wrote:

The snapping issues especially the ones around 01:23:453 - 01:27:293 - and so forth are pretty valid concerns.

You simplified 1/6 in a section where
1. it can be perfectly predictable to have them
2. would be more fitting to have them...?

the vocal thing being somewhat off can be justified as simplification (though i don't see how you say you simplify 1/6 to 1/4 while mapping 1/8 straight out in the same diff)

besides getting to an agreement on a bunch of other places emilia mentioned i have a question as well:

01:17:213 (1,2,3,4) - why do these get short sliders while you map the rest of the stream out, i don't see what's different between these and 01:17:693 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - so why not use all circles while you're at that


also @irre:
02:10:973 - i dont think there's any 1/3 rhythm going on the vocals are attempting to do weird shit like http://puu.sh/saB5B/1a883f1c81.jpg
besides you mapped them as such in 02:09:053 (1,2,3,4,1) -
bless up

also yea, didnt really look into irre's collab diff but it IS indeed not 1/3 if you listen on 25%
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,642 posts
Joined May 2013
Monstrata
I thought the 1/8 sliders were pretty cool. Making it half 1/8 sliders and 1/8 streams is what you'd typically expect given a rhythm like this. Arranging them like this instead is a bit unique. It also gives players a transition from back/forth jump patterns to a simpler (and smaller) movement, while also introducing the 1/8 snaps. The emphasis is on the streams so reducing the number of circles kinda detracts from that idea too...

About the 1/6's. Lemme know what you plan on doing with them. I don't really agree that the 1/6's are perfectly predictable or fit better, since the snap is kinda muddled. But we can maybe do something with the mp3.
Natsu
8,074 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Natsu
I'll do the thing with the mp3, since I dont want to ruin the map, sorry but I think if I snap those to 1/6 i'll bring a really bad experience to players.

About the 1/8s i was trying to make the same number of sliders and circles, but that somehow kill the emphasis of circles o.o, idk i really prefer my current rhythm.


Btw you guys can hear this part again 01:23:573 (4) - I really hear 1/4 then an echo in 1/6 lol, idk if is because im used to the 1/4 lol, so I want more opinions about it.
Yuii-
2,503 posts
Joined July 2013
Yuii-
Hi there!

Since we are at it, I would appreciate if you would go through Nozhomi's mod again. He pointed out very solid points, in my opinion. Would be nice if you would consider them again!

Good luck!!
Natsu
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Topic Starter
Natsu

Yuii- wrote:

Hi there!

Since we are at it, I would appreciate if you would go through Nozhomi's mod again. He pointed out very solid points, in my opinion. Would be nice if you would consider them again!

Good luck!!
My point about the spacing still stand, since I didn't denied because it was qualified, but because I have really strong reasons to keep the patterns being different, they aren't that different, as any map jumps don't use the same spacing, since you use different patterns that require different spacing, tbh if you map all the similar sounds at the same spacing then your map will be basically the same, and that doesn't help songs like this that repeat alot, the map is already super consistent and making it spacing based jumps will make it too monotonous which will lead it in a direction I don't want, that's why I disagree with his mod in first.

I'll fix the minor/nazi things that he pointed tho, the star pattern, slider shape and I'll ctrl g some slider
Nyukai
2,415 posts
Joined July 2012
Nyukai
I will always wonder why people is toxic while there's no need to be like that.

Anyways good luck with requalifying this, I'm sure this can be really a fast thingy.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
i think it plays nicely

the jumps on those wololololl parts could be placed better though, some of them are in weird angles and don't look intuitive
Natsu
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Topic Starter
Natsu

buny wrote:

i think it plays nicely

the jumps on those wololololl parts could be placed better though, some of them are in weird angles and don't look intuitive
I was watching your replay and I notice some, do you mind linking them?
Squigly
449 posts
Joined August 2013
Squigly
I wish i could look at this map and not have flat butts in my face the entire time : (
Natsu
8,074 posts
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Topic Starter
Natsu

Squigly wrote:

I wish i could look at this map and not have flat butts in my face the entire time : (
keep wishing
worst fl player
worst fl player

Natsu wrote:

keep wishing
Ohrami
685 posts
Joined March 2010
Ohrami

Squigly wrote:

I wish i could look at this map and not have flat butts in my face the entire time : (
This. Why did they take this picture if their asses are so flat?
Sunkiss
211 posts
Joined April 2014
Sunkiss
You can change the background yourself. oh shit
Irreversible
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Joined December 2011
Irreversible

Okorin wrote:

also @irre:
02:10:973 - i dont think there's any 1/3 rhythm going on the vocals are attempting to do weird shit like http://puu.sh/saB5B/1a883f1c81.jpg
besides you mapped them as such in 02:09:053 (1,2,3,4,1) - Mh, I disagree with the first. I feel like 1/3 really feels intuitive with her voice. However, I think that the second one you mentioned was a mistake on my side. I think it's a repeater on 1/8, at least that's what's feels best to me.
Ohrami
685 posts
Joined March 2010
Ohrami

Blind Justice wrote:

You can change the background yourself. oh shit
I'm just curious why they would do this. Flat asses aren't nice to look at
Natsu
8,074 posts
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Topic Starter
Natsu

Ohrami wrote:

Blind Justice wrote:

You can change the background yourself. oh shit
I'm just curious why they would do this. Flat asses aren't nice to look at
at least are real girls ;)
Ohrami
685 posts
Joined March 2010
Ohrami

Natsu wrote:

at least are real girls ;)
That doesn't help at all. Anime/drawn girls often have much fatter asses than this and thus they're nicer to look at
Varqaaa
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Joined October 2013
Varqaaa
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Natsu
8,074 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Natsu

Varqaaa wrote:

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I think you don't understand what we was discussing,with all the respect, well i'll explain you because seems you don't have much experience in mapping /modding.

The map got DQ, because some wrong snapped objects, which I'm waiting for some mp3 modification, the map is a really simple map, you can paste it at any other bpm and there are not gimmicks without the ¨go¨ sliders, the point about the spacing from nozhomi was about making some jumps have the same spacing, which I don't agree, since no map do that.

So please don't confuse about the reasons about the DQ and others, specially if you have no experience with modding, mapping or playing. The playability of the map has already been prove, anyways this is the post you should put your attention in: p/5597351 .
Natsu
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Natsu
Okay so:

Fixed stuff:

  1. Mp3 is fixed so there shouldn't be more snap issues. (Thanks pishi)
  2. 00:29:933 (1,2,3) - the spacing here got reduced (oppa)
  3. 01:15:773 (1,2,3,4,1) - stacked this so it actually looks like a star pattern (oppa)
  4. 01:50:093 (1,2,3) - I reworked this pattern so it doesn't looks like the previous one (oppa)
  5. 03:33:293 (4) - I changed the slider shape, I don't think it matters, but I changed it anyways (oppa)
  6. 00:52:133 (2) - I changed the previous triplet to a 1/4 slider from an Irre suggestion (collab)
  7. 00:20:093 (5) I change the stack to 2, from irre too (collab)
  8. 01:21:053 (1,1) - silenced slider tails (collab)
  9. 01:25:853 (1) - same
  10. 03:31:253 (2,3,4) - fixed hitsounds
  11. 03:15:773 (1,2,3,4) - 03:46:493 (1,2,3,4) - rearranged pattern with the help of some players, so it plays more naturally now
  12. Fixed alot of minor blankets and stacks around both hardest diffs
No fixed stuff:

  1. 01:17:213 (1,2,3,4) about the rhythm as I explain before, I had a full stream, but I asked to many top players and most of them told me to introduce the stream with sliders, I tryed okorin's suggestion, but that make me lose the emphasis of the circle streams, so I really want too keep this, since I already made a compromise with reworking the stream before. (oppa)
  2. The stream shapes, irre suggested me to try a different shape, but this more actual a personal preference and I love the current ones. (oppa)
  3. 00:16:013 (3) - the vocal is extended in my point of view that's why I'm using a slider, since the full sentence is continue a pause don't represent the music in my point of view, ofc this is a personal thing which differ from person to person so there is not a correct way to represent it, but multiple ones. (oppa)
  4. 01:19:234 - irre suggested me to end this at the previous blue tick, but I think is weird and my way is better, since there is a hold sound in the song and there are multiple places to end the sliders, but then again my preference is the white tick, since is more intuitive.


I need a second opinion for this:

  1. 00:20:573 (2) - Irre said I need to extend this to the red tick, but I think the vocal actually lands in 1/8 (Oppa and collab diffs)
  2. 02:10:973 I agree with okorin, I don't think this part is snapped to 1/3, is a mix of 1/4s and 1/8 (Collab diff)
Doyak
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Doyak
Uhh Natsu asked me to post my opinion here about Extra diff

02:09:053 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 02:10:973 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I am pretty sure both sections are supposed to have the same rhythm. And I think, the instruments are in the former rhythm, and the vocals are in the latter rhythm.

So I have no idea why they're used differently. If you want to stick to the vocal, you should map the whole part as 1/3; if you want to follow the instruments, then you should stick to 1/8-1/4s. Such transition from 1/4s to 1/3s is not expected and doesn't really make sense imo, when the song is really consistent.
emilia
893 posts
Joined October 2012
emilia
02:10:973 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this is undoubtedly still 3/4 if you want to follow vocal, and its obvious on 100% and even more obvious on 25%
Sonnyc
7,753 posts
Joined June 2008
Sonnyc
SPOILER
Posted my opinion and I dislike snaps. I like slaps.
Natsu
8,074 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Natsu
thanks guys, I'll call Irre when he get online to recheck that part :)
Doyak
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Doyak

[ Emillia ] wrote:

02:10:973 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this is undoubtedly still 3/4 if you want to follow vocal, and its obvious on 100% and even more obvious on 25%
Well if you focus on certain ticks then some of them fit better on 3/4 ticks. But did you realize that there's no sound on the exact-white-ticks too? They don't sing it 100% accurate. Just focus on the speed of each vocal and they mostly sound equal to each other, which can only be 1/3s.
Frim4503
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Joined July 2013
Frim4503
is the mp3 change ?
Natsu
8,074 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Natsu

Frim4503 wrote:

is the mp3 change ?
yes, delete and redownload
Mazziv
998 posts
Joined July 2013
Mazziv
just a few things that i dont like bout the irre&euny collab

03:11:933 (1) - i played this diff already a few times but this slider always gets me to sliderbreak,idk its just maybe a bit to unexpected?
03:15:773 (1,2,3,4) - and 03:23:453 (1,2,3,4) - play waaaay better than those 10x used back and forth pattern afterwards,which feels IMHO super awkward to play at high bpm IMO

rest looks cool
Euny
2,274 posts
Joined January 2014
Euny

Mazziv wrote:

just a few things that i dont like bout the irre&euny collab
03:15:773 (1,2,3,4) - and 03:23:453 (1,2,3,4) - play waaaay better than those 10x used back and forth pattern afterwards,which feels IMHO super awkward to play at high bpm IMO

rest looks cool

why not

fixed
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Varqaaa
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Varqaaa
SPOILER

Natsu wrote:

Varqaaa wrote:

text.
I think you don't understand what we was discussing,with all the respect, well i'll explain you because seems you don't have much experience in mapping /modding.

The map got DQ, because some wrong snapped objects, which I'm waiting for some mp3 modification, the map is a really simple map, you can paste it at any other bpm and there are not gimmicks without the ¨go¨ sliders, the point about the spacing from nozhomi was about making some jumps have the same spacing, which I don't agree, since no map do that.

So please don't confuse about the reasons about the DQ and others, specially if you have no experience with modding, mapping or playing. The playability of the map has already been prove, anyways this is the post you should put your attention in: p/5597351 .
Sorry if I was unclear, half of what I was saying in first post wasn't reason for DQ (just why I dislike map // you obviously have your own mapping philosophy though and see things differently) I was grumpy and shouldn't have probably said :)

Nozohmi's point's concerning snapping/spacing at 00:29:933 (1,2,3) or 01:39:773 (1,2,3,4) or 02:51:293 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) (this one maybe not as bad) or 03:42:653 (1,2,3,4) and 03:57:893 (4,1,2,3) are mostly what I was talking about, I was just being more general. Just because it is a simple map (or maybe because it is a simple map doesn't mean it can't have snapping/overspacing/overmapping issues. I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to keep the map interesting to play and adding variation, but you can't make things arbitrarily more difficult to keep the audience playing. I thought the slider shapes were a fine way of keeping it interesting because changing those doesn't actually make a pattern noticeably harder, just different.

While the 1/8 stream in chorus is qualifiable doesn't it feel out of place to you? I think Monstrata's idea of mixing 1/8 sliders and streams would be a lot more fitting with song intensity. If you're going to be anal about the music here and map the 1/8s as notes to a stream wouldn't it make sense to be consistently pedantic and take Emilia's suggestion about using 1/3 around 00:37:533 - 00:37:773 for precision?

You can't ignore someone's points because of rank/post. Sure, I can't FC this but it doesn't take a master filmmaker to see flaws in a movie. Inconsistent snapping/spacing/dubious handling of the 1/3 or 1/4 are obvious places for improvement but you won't take criticism and just say "but then it's boring and not my map lol you're bad"

edit: oops you actually did fix, I made post without refresh :)

lol @ implementing all the changes I suggested after saying I didn't know what I was talking about though
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Natsu
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Topic Starter
Natsu
the problem man is you don't read the thread:

1. I already changed the spacing at the Jumps
2.after several testplays from top players i give up my full stream and I mixed it with sliders
3. the mp3 got edited and the 1/6 parts are snapped to 1/4

you don't read the thread, I already fixed almost all what people pointed
Ashton
Ashton
shouldn't there be a diff between the two hardest diffs? Yes, onyly a 1.4* gap but the fact you drop form a diff that the average 60k can passm to a diff that can barely be passed by top rank players is a good idea?
Ashton
Ashton
one day I wanna take an ordinary song, like maybe k-pop


and space all the 1/4 to make 7*!


no seriously, I can take any map, and space all the 1/4 just to make a high level difficulty, now cant I?
Natsu
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Topic Starter
Natsu

CanadianBaka wrote:

shouldn't there be a diff between the two hardest diffs? Yes, onyly a 1.4* gap but the fact you drop form a diff that the average 60k can passm to a diff that can barely be passed by top rank players is a good idea?
they have the same rhythm is just the spacing that make it look huge, check it careful, tbh even the insane have similar lol. Even both diff spikes are basically similar, you can't add other diff without making it the same as those 3.

If that make sense and u have the mapping skills sure u can :o! do it, oh btw this being an ordinary song is your opinion, I think is a really unique song lol :lol:
Ashton
Ashton
seeing your BN


might as well not continue this argument, as it will end up in silences.


El burro sabe mas que tu!
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Ohrami
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Joined March 2010
Ohrami
of course he will space the 1/4 like that because it's only 125 bpm
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
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Joined December 2011
Irreversible
I don't get what's the fuzz about.

I do agree that the first two patterns are 3/8, hence why I mapped them like this. The third one is completely different from my point of view. It plays best like this, it follows the song and no one would have even figured it if you play it - because he was able to get through this part without any complication.

Natsu, since you didn't update my parts, can you please put 5% on 02:07:313 - the green lines in this part. 02:09:053 (1) - Here too.
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