Pachiru wrote:

Chill guys, there is no way to be toxic, it's just a topic thread ^w^

Now Natsu, I would like to know if the 1/8 stream is allowed (if the mapset is qualified, I suppose yes, but it looks pretty hard to me owo)
I was just asking, so don't worry ^w^

emillia don't be toxic anymore pls ;w;

Natsu wrote:

Emilia I really I think you lack of manners alot and that's why I don't takeyou seriously, your claim about being 28 or 30 rank doesn't matter (look at your acc), when you post in a map thread it, do it with respect if you want to be taken seriously. Look at sukinathan post simple without bad words, that's alot better than any of your post.

Anyways don't worry as I explained, 1/6s are often simplified to 1/4s and that part sounds better in 1/4 to me and I think is better for the gameplay in general, anyways I'm asking to some QATs as soon as they get online, since none is online atm, to get their opinions about the matter, since isn't only about snapping, but also about playability, yeah smashing keys and fc isn't something that i want, that's why I worry about that weird snaps. If they don't agree with the current way I'll remove the 1/4s and keep the 1/2s only, but I think the 1/4s are somehow acceptables.

Monstrata wrote:

That's not "overmapping". If anything its simplifying an otherwise dubious rhythm. Nathan's proposed snapping is more accurate if you want to be perfectly accurate to the song, but that rhythm is really unfitting to the song and section imo. It works, but I think Natsu's current rhythm choice is already very predictable. Not all songs are made for rhythm games, so stuff like this is bound to happen with vocals.

The rhythm currently being used makes logical sense, and the section at 100% speed sounds like 1/4 rhythms. You should anticipate and expect 1/4 rhythm anyways when you consider the rest of the song, the song's pacing and rhythms being employed, as well as the jump spacing, etc...

As well, the instruments are definitely on beat so there is still a consistent and correct offset going through the section.

[ Emillia ] wrote:

simplification to rhythm makes sense when its obvious that the music snaps to nothing on something like 1/12 and beyond, like when theres a glissando or a trill that can't exactly be placed on a certain beat snap division

sure its predictable, but that shouldnt be a reason to ignore the music entirely?? theres literally NOTHING on the hitcircles and hitcircles are supposed to emphasise something strong in the music. the only thing thats strong here is how deaf natsu is

Natsu wrote:

I already gave u all the reasons why the 1/4s work better, it is what is supposed to be, yeah u can tell is 1/6 at hearing with 25%, but at 100% speed people will assimilate it as a 1/4 like the rest of the map, throwing 1/6s there will just throw off any player wich is following at certain rhythm, since the vocals aren't something strong that can define a beat there, doing something simple as 1/4s works better. BTW simplification to the rhythm works when it does improve the gameplay experience which is the case here, not only when is 1/12 or so, many 1/6s quarter notes are mapped as 1/4 triplets in alot of maps, because that works alot better and that's also is the case here, yes I asked a lot of good accuracy players in the top 1 - 100 (some of them are listed in the OP) and they have literally 0 problems at this part which not gonna be the case with randoms 1/6s.

your only argument is that is 1/6, but u don't tell me why it gonna work better in the actual gameplay, if you look at the players replay, they play that part naturally, since at full speed the 1/4 is intuitive.

Natsu wrote:

read monstrata´s post again pls.

Okorin wrote:

The snapping issues especially the ones around 01:23:453 - 01:27:293 - and so forth are pretty valid concerns.

You simplified 1/6 in a section where
1. it can be perfectly predictable to have them
2. would be more fitting to have them...?

the vocal thing being somewhat off can be justified as simplification (though i don't see how you say you simplify 1/6 to 1/4 while mapping 1/8 straight out in the same diff)

besides getting to an agreement on a bunch of other places emilia mentioned i have a question as well:

01:17:213 (1,2,3,4) - why do these get short sliders while you map the rest of the stream out, i don't see what's different between these and 01:17:693 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - so why not use all circles while you're at that

Okorin wrote:

The snapping issues especially the ones around 01:23:453 - 01:27:293 - and so forth are pretty valid concerns.

You simplified 1/6 in a section where
1. it can be perfectly predictable to have them
2. would be more fitting to have them...?

the vocal thing being somewhat off can be justified as simplification (though i don't see how you say you simplify 1/6 to 1/4 while mapping 1/8 straight out in the same diff)

besides getting to an agreement on a bunch of other places emilia mentioned i have a question as well:

01:17:213 (1,2,3,4) - why do these get short sliders while you map the rest of the stream out, i don't see what's different between these and 01:17:693 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - so why not use all circles while you're at that


also @irre:
02:10:973 - i dont think there's any 1/3 rhythm going on the vocals are attempting to do weird shit like http://puu.sh/saB5B/1a883f1c81.jpg
besides you mapped them as such in 02:09:053 (1,2,3,4,1) -

Yuii- wrote:

Hi there!

Since we are at it, I would appreciate if you would go through Nozhomi's mod again. He pointed out very solid points, in my opinion. Would be nice if you would consider them again!

Good luck!!

buny wrote:

i think it plays nicely

the jumps on those wololololl parts could be placed better though, some of them are in weird angles and don't look intuitive

Squigly wrote:

I wish i could look at this map and not have flat butts in my face the entire time : (

Natsu wrote:

keep wishing

Squigly wrote:

I wish i could look at this map and not have flat butts in my face the entire time : (

Okorin wrote:

also @irre:
02:10:973 - i dont think there's any 1/3 rhythm going on the vocals are attempting to do weird shit like http://puu.sh/saB5B/1a883f1c81.jpg
besides you mapped them as such in 02:09:053 (1,2,3,4,1) - Mh, I disagree with the first. I feel like 1/3 really feels intuitive with her voice. However, I think that the second one you mentioned was a mistake on my side. I think it's a repeater on 1/8, at least that's what's feels best to me.

Blind Justice wrote:

You can change the background yourself. oh shit

Ohrami wrote:

Blind Justice wrote:

You can change the background yourself. oh shit

I'm just curious why they would do this. Flat asses aren't nice to look at

Natsu wrote:

at least are real girls

Varqaaa wrote:

text.

1. Mp3 is fixed so there shouldn't be more snap issues. (Thanks pishi)
2. 00:29:933 (1,2,3) - the spacing here got reduced (oppa)
3. 01:15:773 (1,2,3,4,1) - stacked this so it actually looks like a star pattern (oppa)
4. 01:50:093 (1,2,3) - I reworked this pattern so it doesn't looks like the previous one (oppa)
5. 03:33:293 (4) - I changed the slider shape, I don't think it matters, but I changed it anyways (oppa)
6. 00:52:133 (2) - I changed the previous triplet to a 1/4 slider from an Irre suggestion (collab)
7. 00:20:093 (5) I change the stack to 2, from irre too (collab)
8. 01:21:053 (1,1) - silenced slider tails (collab)
9. 01:25:853 (1) - same
10. 03:31:253 (2,3,4) - fixed hitsounds
11. 03:15:773 (1,2,3,4) - 03:46:493 (1,2,3,4) - rearranged pattern with the help of some players, so it plays more naturally now
12. Fixed alot of minor blankets and stacks around both hardest diffs

1. 01:17:213 (1,2,3,4) about the rhythm as I explain before, I had a full stream, but I asked to many top players and most of them told me to introduce the stream with sliders, I tryed okorin's suggestion, but that make me lose the emphasis of the circle streams, so I really want too keep this, since I already made a compromise with reworking the stream before. (oppa)
2. The stream shapes, irre suggested me to try a different shape, but this more actual a personal preference and I love the current ones. (oppa)
3. 00:16:013 (3) - the vocal is extended in my point of view that's why I'm using a slider, since the full sentence is continue a pause don't represent the music in my point of view, ofc this is a personal thing which differ from person to person so there is not a correct way to represent it, but multiple ones. (oppa)
4. 01:19:234 - irre suggested me to end this at the previous blue tick, but I think is weird and my way is better, since there is a hold sound in the song and there are multiple places to end the sliders, but then again my preference is the white tick, since is more intuitive.

1. 00:20:573 (2) - Irre said I need to extend this to the red tick, but I think the vocal actually lands in 1/8 (Oppa and collab diffs)
2. 02:10:973 I agree with okorin, I don't think this part is snapped to 1/3, is a mix of 1/4s and 1/8 (Collab diff)

[ Emillia ] wrote:

02:10:973 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this is undoubtedly still 3/4 if you want to follow vocal, and its obvious on 100% and even more obvious on 25%

Frim4503 wrote:

is the mp3 change ?