20:29 Hareimu: did you check on the two points I made at the placeholder in the thread?
20:29 MMBan: i checked but must remind them
20:30 Hareimu: alright
20:30 Hareimu: 00:13:977 (1,2,3,4) -
20:30 Hareimu: these sliders have a lack of movement
20:30 MMBan: i would increase sv if need to
20:30 Hareimu: it would be nice if you spread them around a bit so that the player had to move a bit more to catch them
20:30 Hareimu: like, IDK, move 2 and 3 to the left side and keep 4 at the right side or so
20:31 Hareimu: the alternatives are endless
20:31 Hareimu: your choice, but as they are rn they're quite dull
20:32 MMBan: 2 x224
20:32 MMBan: 3 x176
20:32 Hareimu: seems nice enough to me
20:33 MMBan: next
20:33 Hareimu: also nice catcher
20:33 Hareimu: :^)
20:34 MMBan: i have this catcher on front page of profile ;s
20:34 Hareimu: not gonna steal it
20:34 Hareimu: I already have one o3o
20:35 MMBan: 577 steals
20:35 Hareimu: well
20:35 Hareimu: not gonna be the 578th one
20:36 Hareimu: well let's continue
20:36 Hareimu: 00:16:106 (5,6,7,8,9) - this is kinda weird sounding for me because you didn't map 00:16:590 - this blue tick that also has reverberation from the previous beat.
20:37 Hareimu: also
20:37 Hareimu: 00:16:300 (7,9) - these two are reverbs from the previous objects
20:37 Hareimu: mapping them disrupt the rhythm the song's trying to follow
20:38 Hareimu: try to delete those two
20:38 Hareimu: and mapping 00:16:590 - this tick.
20:39 MMBan: on my way 4 adds hdash to 1
20:41 Hareimu: idk, it sounds better that way for me because it's actually trying to follow what the song is providing
20:41 Hareimu: following reverbs is strange and doesn't quite fit
20:41 MMBan: removed on white and red tick
20:42 Hareimu: alright
20:42 MMBan: 1. x108 2 x136 3 x272 4 x220
20:42 Hareimu: 00:17:848 (6) - with this one applies the same
20:42 Hareimu: it sounds better without it
20:42 MMBan: deleted. No need to redo pattern
20:43 Hareimu: 00:19:397 - 00:19:590 - same for these ones
20:44 MMBan: this would screw a bit this small stream
20:44 Hareimu: yeah, but nothing some readjustments to object positioning can't fix
20:44 MMBan: not touching
20:45 Hareimu: 00:19:106 (2,3) - I reccomend keeping these two closer to the first slider and having a hdash to (4), but if you insist
20:46 MMBan: ne
20:46 MMBan: difference in rhythm feel
20:46 Hareimu: (the strong sound is at 4, that's why, but if you won't it's okay)
20:48 Hareimu: 00:19:881 (8,9) - a hdash between these could be nice
20:49 MMBan: i don't have there 8,9
20:49 Hareimu: wait did you readjust the ncs
20:49 MMBan: nah
20:50 Hareimu: 00:19:881 - 00:19:977 - these
20:51 MMBan: done
20:51 Hareimu: alright
20:51 MMBan: 3,4 slightly to left
20:52 MMBan: 5 x208 6 x240
20:55 Hareimu: 00:20:557 (4,5,6) - it would be nice if you made these into a triangle pattern (like a repeat slider but with objects)
20:55 Hareimu: and made a hyperdash between (3) and (4) because of the strong sound at (4)
20:55 Hareimu: 00:20:751 (6,7) - there is also a strong sound between 00:20:751 (6,7) - these two
20:55 Hareimu: if you would rather keep them as simple movements I understand though
20:58 MMBan: little redo
20:59 Hareimu: first of all, do notice that most of these suggestions are made so that the melody is followed correctly because there are lots of places that felt awkward for me to play because of this
20:59 MMBan: 1st and 2nd stream is to remap
21:00 MMBan: whire third after 1st kiai seem ok.. for my guess
21:00 Hareimu: this being said, lemme continue saying that 00:25:397 (3,4) - the hyperdash should be between these and not between 00:25:493 (4,5) - these.
21:01 Hareimu: as it is now the hdashes emphasize beats that aren't quite as strong as the ones that should be.
21:02 Hareimu: 00:25:977 (7) - this slider should start at 00:26:074 - this tick and not at the white tick it starts at now.
21:03 Hareimu: doing so ignores 00:26:074 - this audible beat
21:03 Hareimu: I highly reccomend you to do so because if you do, you could easily make 00:25:784 (6) - a repeat slider with a HDash onto 7
21:03 Hareimu: and it would perfectly follow the melody.
21:05 MMBan: for my guess there is something on white tick
21:05 MMBan: or maybe on 1/8 yellow
21:05 Hareimu: yeah, that's why I said that you could make 6 a repeat slider.
21:05 Hareimu: no no, leave the yellow ones alone, you shouldn't touch them as for now
21:06 Hareimu: the beat is perfectly snapped to blue, red and white ticks
21:06 MMBan: done
21:08 Hareimu: 00:34:397 (4,5) - why isn't there a HDash here as you did with the previous beats?
21:08 MMBan: and had to fixed that annoying droplet ;s
21:08 MMBan: this what i said about remapping 1st and 2nd stream
21:08 Hareimu: 00:34:493 (5,6) - you could move these two to the place 7 and 8 are at
21:09 Hareimu: well then, lemme help you remapping it.
21:10 Hareimu: good thing I'm watching your stream because you didn't quite get what I said.
21:10 MMBan: there is a lot mess for my eyesight that an std player would tell its overmapped 
21:11 Hareimu: between 4 and 5 there is a beat that doesn't have hyperdash
21:11 Hareimu: when beats like 00:34:010 (8,1) - these two have hyperdashes in between.
21:11 MMBan: ah now i get it
21:12 Hareimu: 5, 6, 7 and 8 shouldn't have hyperdashes in between because said beats you're emphasizing here (downbeats) don't appear there
21:13 Hareimu: also if you don't want such a mess
21:13 Hareimu: activate hit animations
21:14 MMBan: ddone
21:15 Hareimu: 00:35:461 (7,8) - do you still have an hyperdash between these two? if you do remove them.
21:16 Hareimu: like
21:16 Hareimu: make the hdash be between 8 and 1 and not between 7 and 8.
21:16 Hareimu: you're emphasizing the wrong beat there
21:16 Hareimu: it should be 1, not 8
21:19 Hareimu: (after all that obviously remove the hdash from 1 to 2 and remap 00:35:655 (1,2,3,4) - properly)
21:21 MMBan: hitsounds messed up
21:22 Hareimu: yeah I know
21:22 Hareimu: using ctrl+g does that
21:23 MMBan: i must testplay it like few times now
21:24 Hareimu: I think the first stream is okay now (from what I see at the stream)
21:24 Hareimu: 00:37:203 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - excepting this.
21:25 Hareimu: 00:37:687 - there is a beat at this blue tick, 00:37:590 (2) - this slider ignores it
21:25 Hareimu: I reccomend you made said slider a repeat one that finished at said blue tick
21:26 MMBan: Already fixed
21:26 MMBan: but lost 0.01*
21:26 MMBan: meh
21:27 Hareimu: 00:38:268 (5,6) - I suggest you move these to the place 4 and 5 are at to make a curve or something, there isn't a strong beat at 5 to suggest a hyperdash.
21:27 Hareimu: actually
21:27 Hareimu: the strong beat is at 6
21:27 MMBan: strong is at 6
21:27 Hareimu: the hyperdash should be between 5 and 6.
21:28 Hareimu: make 3, 4 and 5 a triangle pattern like you did before
21:28 MMBan: it additionaly removed one more 0,01*
21:29 Hareimu: don't pay attention to the SR.
21:29 Hareimu: it doesn't mean anything
21:29 Hareimu: if you know the map will be hard as fuck because of slider hell, that should be enough
21:30 MMBan: but
21:30 Hareimu: don't rely on SR
21:30 MMBan: it doesn't supposed to be difficult ;s
21:30 MMBan: primal  version was 6.20 ;s
21:30 Hareimu: well then
21:30 Hareimu: still, don't pay attention to it at all.
21:30 MMBan: later maybe  it return  ;s
21:30 MMBan: let's continue 
21:31 Hareimu: yeah
21:31 Hareimu: 00:45:332 (2) -
21:31 Hareimu: are you following vocals here?
21:32 MMBan: y
21:32 Hareimu: because if you are, you should finish this slider at 00:45:429 - and start 00:45:719 (3) - this one 00:45:526 - here.
21:33 Hareimu: it'll play better like that.
21:34 Hareimu: (obviously, finish 00:45:719 (3) - at 00:46:493 -
21:34 Hareimu: gonna go have lunch real quick, brb
21:59 Hareimu: back
21:59 MMBan: finally
22:00 Hareimu: well, where did we left at?
22:00 MMBan: 00:46:300
22:00 MMBan: 00:46:300 -
22:01 Hareimu: well, I suppose you finished the slider at said timestamp and added an object at 00:46:493 -
22:03 MMBan: done
22:03 Hareimu: well now
22:04 Hareimu: at the second stream section, what are you following exactly to make hyperdashes?
22:04 Hareimu: that's the first core question.
22:04 MMBan: similar to first but failed at
22:04 Hareimu: 00:51:719 (7,8) - what are you emphasizing here?
22:05 Hareimu: 00:51:816 (8) - move this to x:108 maybe?
22:07 Hareimu: yeee, you've got the idea~ I'm watching the changes you're doing via stream, dw
22:11 Hareimu: umm, when you finish editing this second stream can you update the mapset to that I can follow on the changes?
22:12 MMBan: This will cause you lose 2kudos
22:12 Hareimu: they're too much like to pay attention to a stream
22:12 Hareimu: I don't mind.
22:12 MMBan: Unless i press button now and paste deh irc
22:12 Hareimu: as long as I help you improve the map, kudosu quantity will not be an issue.
22:13 Hareimu: ...and I think it's wrong to post an unfinished mod and give it kudosu as it is
22:15 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t2R6E/85e4e23c0f.osu
22:17 Hareimu: well, I believe that file isn't the most recent one
22:17 Hareimu: I see an antijump that you fixed recently
22:17 Hareimu: but I don't see the fix
22:17 Hareimu: 00:57:719 (5,6,7,8) -
22:17 Hareimu: here
22:18 MMBan: i didn't noticed this one ;f
22:19 Hareimu: well, take it out and place a flowing jump instead :P
22:19 Hareimu: 01:01:493 (4,5) - also it would be nice to have another hyperdash between these two
22:20 Hareimu: since it is the last part of the stream
22:20 MMBan: if i add one hdash the other one removes itself ;f
22:20 MMBan: got it
22:21 Hareimu: nice
22:23 MMBan: done
22:25 Hareimu: 01:02:558 (5) - move this one to the same place as 01:02:364 (3) - so that it's a triangle pattern
22:25 Hareimu: and also the strong sound is at 6 again
22:25 Hareimu: we've ran through this, I think you know what to do
22:26 MMBan: and what with 6
22:27 Hareimu: eh... no, I mean, have an hyperdash to 6
22:27 Hareimu: leave 6 where it was
22:29 Hareimu: I meant that from 5 you should make a hyperdash onto 6
22:29 MMBan: well its not now hdash
22:29 Hareimu: like
22:29 Hareimu: 01:02:655 (6) - move 6 to x:84
22:30 Hareimu: 01:02:558 (5) - leave 5 at x:316
22:30 MMBan: now its less brutal
22:31 MMBan: i wonder how unplayable  it will  be on hr
22:31 Hareimu: 01:02:752 (1,2) - between these two there should be an hyperdash as well, since there is a strong sound at 2
22:32 Hareimu: I also suggest making a triangle with 01:02:848 (2,3,4) -
22:32 Hareimu: and it's pretty unplayable rn xD
22:32 Hareimu: like, with hr
22:35 Hareimu: it's nice to avoid fruits (?
22:36 MMBan: It would be 12* if for Dodge
22:36 Hareimu: 01:05:461 (2) - this slider should end 01:05:655 - here
22:36 Hareimu: make it a repeat slider as well
22:39 MMBan: done 
22:39 Hareimu: 01:10:106 (2) - this should end at 01:10:203 - here, and make this 01:10:493 (3) - slider start 01:10:300 - here.
22:40 Hareimu: and finish 01:11:268 - here.
22:42 MMBan: Pattern might be too difficult  with  1/4
22:42 Hareimu: change the direction the 1/4 slider is facing, then
22:43 Hareimu: instead of facing left, facing right might do the trick
22:43 Hareimu: and change the side 01:10:493 (3) - is at from right to left
22:43 Hareimu: and it'll be good to go
22:43 MMBan: fixed
22:44 Hareimu: 01:13:300 (5) - delete this note, there aren't sounds here
22:44 Hareimu: (between those two sliders)
22:45 MMBan: deleted
22:46 Hareimu: (move 01:13:397 (5) - this slider a bit more to the left to trigger hyperdash)
22:46 Hareimu: there we go
22:46 Hareimu: also
22:46 MMBan: Stream have delays)
22:46 Hareimu: don't finish sliders on downbeats, it's awkward to play.
22:47 Hareimu: 01:13:397 (5) - finish this slider at 01:14:171 - here
22:47 Hareimu: and yeah, streams have delays xD
22:49 Hareimu: in the place of the downbeat, 01:14:364 (1) - move this slider there and make it a repeat
22:49 Hareimu: ...ah I just saw what you did instead
22:49 MMBan: i think this seem better idea in my guess
22:50 Hareimu: can you upload the new file until now
22:51 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t2Ti8/bbb646b147.osu
22:52 Hareimu: 01:15:719 (8,1) -  don't forget hdash between these two
22:53 Hareimu: 01:05:461 (2) - this dash is almost an edge-dash
22:54 Hareimu: try to reduce distances a bit, and move 01:06:042 (3) - to the left so that it triggers hdash
22:54 MMBan: on that weird sv
22:55 MMBan: hdash triggers on 5x distance
22:55 MMBan: 5.11*

20:42 Hareimu: can you hand me over the latest .osu you have for kikaku rn
20:43 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t6ZGI/52c8bbd5c8.osu
20:44 MMBan: online
20:44 Hareimu: alright, shall we start?
20:45 MMBan: yes
20:45 Hareimu: 01:16:106 (2,1) - more distance between these two :x
20:46 MMBan: x204?
20:47 Hareimu: for which one, 2 or 1?
20:47 MMBan: 2
20:47 Hareimu: that would trigger a strange hdash
20:48 Hareimu: to a sound that isn't that strong like to be emphasized with one
20:48 Hareimu: I suggest making a hdash between 2 and 1 instead
20:48 Hareimu: and also 01:16:300 (1) - shouldn't have NC
20:49 MMBan: what if ctrl g
20:49 MMBan: after nc 3
20:50 Hareimu: try doing this
20:50 Hareimu: move 2 to x:376
20:51 Hareimu: ctrl+h 01:16:300 (3) - (or 01:16:300 (1) - however you have it rn) and move it to x:88
20:51 Hareimu: 01:16:300 (1) - / 01:16:300 (3) - should be pointing to the right, ofc
20:53 MMBan: done
20:53 Hareimu: 01:16:784 (2) - shouldn't this slider be just a note at 01:16:881 - this red tick instead? it sounds and fit much better than a 1/4 repeat for me.
20:53 Hareimu: since you're following lyrics.
20:59 MMBan: swapped
20:59 MMBan: but not sure if hdash fits a bit to  5
21:00 Hareimu: then remove it and do any other pattern instead :P
21:00 Hareimu: also remove NC at 01:18:042 (1) - and add it at 01:17:461 (6) - instead
21:01 MMBan: done
21:01 Hareimu: 01:24:235 (5,6) - shouldn't there be a hdash between these two? it's a hard dash as it is rn
21:02 MMBan: increased distance.
21:04 Hareimu: 01:26:752 (3) - this slider should start where 01:26:558 (2) - is placed at.
21:05 Hareimu: (remove 2 and make 3 start at 01:26:558 - instead, also make it longer so that it finishes at 01:27:913 - )
21:05 MMBan: There is problem with that patter
21:06 Hareimu: what is that?
21:06 MMBan: it repeats on later part too and i do it like that just to keep hitsounds ;s
21:06 Hareimu: you can either keep it as it is or do the changes on both parts
21:06 Hareimu: your choice
21:06 MMBan: keeping it
21:07 Hareimu: 01:32:945 (5,6) - there should be an HDash between the slider and the note
21:07 Hareimu: also NC at 01:34:493 (6) - remove NC at 01:34:881 (1) -
21:08 MMBan: Added hdash and redo nc
21:09 Hareimu: 01:49:397 (11) - Add hdash at this one for consistency with 01:47:848 (1) -
21:09 Hareimu: oh wait
21:09 Hareimu: it was NC, sorry
21:10 MMBan: It confused me
21:10 Hareimu: confused both terms
21:10 Hareimu: sorry ^^u
21:10 Hareimu: I meant that you should add a NC at (11)
21:11 MMBan: Aright
21:14 Hareimu: eh... 01:50:703 (8,9) - shouldn't HDash be between these two and not between 01:50:897 (12,1) - ?
21:14 Hareimu: there is a strong cymbal sound at 01:50:752 (9) - that also could suggest a NC here as well
21:14 Hareimu: it applies the same to the buildup to the other two kiais
21:14 Hareimu: it seems you did the same as well
21:15 MMBan: streams 1/8 hdash are hard to hold 
21:15 Hareimu: there is no strong sound at 01:50:945 (1) - that could suggest such a strong hdash at it has right now
21:16 Hareimu: yeah, I know that, but still if you're gonna use 1/8 hdashes make them so that they fit with the music.
21:16 Hareimu: (in the meantime I'm checking out a BITPLANE album)
21:18 MMBan: it increased star rate to 6.22*
21:19 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t7156/373eadc030.osu
21:19 Hareimu: thanks for the file
21:19 Hareimu: and the change looks nice.
21:20 Hareimu: now, into the kiai
21:20 Hareimu: nice job with the fast svs
21:20 Hareimu: some changes can be made though.
21:20 Hareimu: let me start
21:20 Hareimu: 01:59:268 (1) - this slider should be a long one that ends at 02:00:235 - instead.
21:21 Hareimu: also ctrl+h it to trigger hdash from previous object 01:59:074 (5) -
21:21 Hareimu: it fits better that way.
21:22 Hareimu: the reason for doing this is because you're following the lyrics as far as I know
21:22 Hareimu: so having 01:59:655 (2) - this slider here seems a bit dull
21:24 Hareimu: 02:00:816 (1) - remove the repeat and make it end at 02:01:397 - instead
21:25 Hareimu: the voice changes at 02:01:397 - , so doing this follows the lyrics correctly
21:25 Hareimu: 02:01:687 (2) - make this one start 02:01:590 - here, too.
21:27 Hareimu: brb
21:30 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t71zM/198407f40a.osu
22:13 Hareimu: back
22:13 Hareimu: sorry for coming late
22:13 MMBan: Today will be longer online
22:17 MMBan: Let's keep goin
22:28 MMBan: I'm here
22:29 Hareimu: whoops, was editing something else, gimme just a sec
22:32 Hareimu: the changes you made to the sliders are looking nice
22:32 *Hareimu is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1055518 Halozy - Kikoku Doukoku Jigokuraku [mod1]]
22:33 MMBan: Bancho is lagging
22:33 Hareimu: yup
22:33 Hareimu: should we wait until it stops?
22:36 MMBan: No.
22:36 MMBan: Continue
22:39 *Hareimu is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1055518 Halozy - Kikoku Doukoku Jigokuraku [mod1]]
22:39 Hareimu: here we go x2
22:40 MMBan: Aright
22:41 Hareimu: first kiai is a-ok
22:43 Hareimu: 02:45:526 (7,8) - move these two objects to x:132
22:43 Hareimu: reason for this is because the hdash isn't emphasizing the right sound
22:43 Hareimu: 02:45:913 (3,4) - also move these two to x:408
22:44 MMBan: this makes 8
22:44 MMBan: 6*
22:45 Hareimu: umm?
22:45 MMBan: if i move 7,8 to x132
22:46 MMBan: this makes 6 circles in one stream
22:46 MMBan: = bad
22:46 Hareimu: solved by moving 02:45:139 (3,4) - to x:380
22:47 MMBan: primal 6.20 returned
22:48 Hareimu: first of all I wanna make clear that I'm trying to help you remap these streams with suggestions on how hdashes should be placed so that it plays better than it does now. rn the hdashes lead more than once to sounds that feel odd to emphasize because they aren't strong enough and don't quite follow the melody of the song.
22:49 Hareimu: ...and what the heck did I just rant about that for three lines of text straight
22:50 Hareimu: 02:43:397 (1,2) - move these two to x:40, and 02:43:784 (5,6) - these two to x:308
22:53 MMBan: 02:43:203 - There disturbs causing 6 again
22:54 Hareimu: wha
22:54 Hareimu: wait
22:54 Hareimu: 02:43:203 (7,8) - move these to x:468
22:56 MMBan: now its ok
22:57 Hareimu: I suggest doing something with 02:43:397 (1,2,3,4) - these four tho, the jump from the previous 4 objects has anti-movement and a pretty darn big distancing
22:58 MMBan: reshaped into something different
22:59 Hareimu: alright
23:00 Hareimu: 02:47:268 (1,2) - move these two to x:308 and 02:47:461 (3,4) - ctrl+h these two, then move them to x:420
23:02 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t75B0/db7ecab455.osu
23:04 Hareimu: 02:48:816 (1,2) - move these to x:288, 02:49:010 (3,4) - these to x:392 and 02:49:203 (5,6) - these to x:204
23:06 Hareimu: (the last one might need some readjustment due to strange movement)
23:06 MMBan: done but that 3rd needed to move adjust to prevent overrun
23:06 Hareimu: alright then, good catch
23:07 Hareimu: 02:49:977 (5,6) - move these to x:308
23:08 Hareimu: 02:51:526 (5,6) - these to x:404 (I'm also thinking of movement variety here so that it isn't purely left and right movement)
23:08 Hareimu: and with that last one it should be it for that streamç
23:08 Hareimu: stream*
23:08 Hareimu: I hate çs
23:09 MMBan: that one
23:09 MMBan: adds 0.05 sr lil
23:09 Hareimu: you're welcome? (?
23:09 MMBan: and may catch off guard
23:10 Hareimu: okay then, move 02:51:623 (6) - to x:440, 02:51:816 (8) - to x:320 and then 02:51:719 (7,8) - to x:344
23:10 MMBan: I'll be pretty sure there will be some restarts and blames to side
23:11 Hareimu: that should make it catchable enough
23:11 MMBan: nah
23:11 MMBan: those not applying and removes hdash
23:11 Hareimu: which ones aren't you applying? got confused
23:11 MMBan: bleh  previous one was good enough
23:12 MMBan: the anti flow one was good so keeping this one
23:13 Hareimu: 02:54:139 (6,7,8) - there should be hdashes between all these due to cymbal sounds.
23:13 Hareimu: it would fit nicely since this is an overdose diff
23:14 MMBan: my way
23:15 MMBan: 7 x84 8 x460?
23:16 Hareimu: 460 seems a bit too much, I'd use x400 or x420
23:16 Hareimu: (for 8)
23:17 MMBan: x412
23:17 Hareimu: yeah that seems nice enough
23:18 Hareimu: 02:59:655 (1,2,3,4,1) - the movement between all these being the same is a bit boring to play, not mentioning the fact that every slider has a finish hitsound at the head, you could vary those hitsounds a bit.
23:19 Hareimu: to be honest, only 2 and 4 should have finish hitsound, the other ones nah
23:19 MMBan: forgot remove those hitsounds
23:19 Hareimu: well, aside from hitsounds
23:20 Hareimu: I'd ctrl+h 03:00:429 (3,4) - these two, and move them to x:180 or so
23:22 MMBan: what about this
23:22 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t76tF/cea8ea7a6d.osu
23:24 Hareimu: lemme see
23:25 Hareimu: it's alright
23:25 Hareimu: I like it
23:25 Hareimu: 03:05:074 (7) - this slider should start where the previous object (6) is
23:26 Hareimu: and place a normal object 03:05:848 - here to go along with (1)
23:26 Hareimu: (yeah, delete 6)
23:31 MMBan: Forshould be ok now
23:36 Hareimu: 03:09:429 (2) - delete note
23:36 Hareimu: there isn't a sound there
23:36 Hareimu: 03:09:526 (2) - ctrl+h if you delete that note
23:36 Hareimu: (should delete it, you did on first section)
23:38 MMBan: Mean time  i find things that other didn't notice. Hitsound  issues
23:38 Hareimu: that's good
23:41 MMBan: ugh forgot to tell its done
23:42 Hareimu: okay then, lemme continue checking through
23:42 Hareimu: 03:11:268 (3) - this slider is ignoring the voice change at 03:11:461 -
23:42 Hareimu: I suggest turning it into a repeat that finishes on said timestamp
23:42 Hareimu: (03:11:461 - )
23:44 MMBan: i would delete this slider and  put circle where it was and 1/2 slider
23:45 Hareimu: that's also okay
23:45 Hareimu: do that
23:45 MMBan: circle on 03:11:268 x412 and slider 1/2 03:11:461 x124
23:47 Hareimu: I suppose the slider is pointing to the right
23:48 MMBan: For me doesn't matter. Let it be right
23:48 MMBan: but then it will  be on x49.. (Unsnapped?)
23:48 Hareimu: alright then
23:49 Hareimu: wait what?
23:49 Hareimu: what do you mean?
23:49 MMBan: nevermind after ctrl g it was on x49
23:49 MMBan: now its x48
23:50 Hareimu: 03:15:623 (7) - delete note
23:50 MMBan: Done
23:50 Hareimu: 03:19:590 (1) - remove nc, 03:19:784 (2) - add nc
23:51 Hareimu: 03:19:590 (6) - ctrl+h this one so that it triggers hdash onto (1)
23:51 Hareimu: it'll fit perfectly
23:51 MMBan: ok
23:52 Hareimu: 03:21:332 (1) - should end 03:21:719 - here
23:52 Hareimu: 03:22:010 (2) - delete this note
23:52 MMBan: on 1 droplet takes vocal 
23:52 MMBan: i mean slider tick
23:53 Hareimu: yeah, but it's weird to play.
23:53 Hareimu: even if the slidertick is taking the vocal, it isn't the same as if a fruit was taking it.
23:54 Hareimu: 03:22:106 (3) - make this one start 03:21:913 - here and end 03:22:493 - here
23:55 Hareimu: also, even if it could be okay for the slidertick to take vocals it isn't being consistent with the thing you did 01:29:848 (4,5) - here at this section.
23:55 MMBan: Redone this part a little where slider tick takes vocal 
23:56 Hareimu: would you link the new .osu?
23:57 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t77Xo/7503134955.osu
23:58 Hareimu: it's alright now o3o
23:59 Hareimu: 03:23:268 (2,3,4) - all these sliders have finishes on their heads though
00:00 MMBan: deleted from 3
00:00 MMBan: (They are shotting because 00:00)
00:00 Hareimu: alright
00:01 Hareimu: 03:34:590 (2) - move to x:212 for a nicer curve
00:01 Hareimu: 03:34:397 (3,1) - move these to x:276, too
00:02 MMBan: done
00:02 Hareimu: 03:38:752 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - move all these to x:256, they don't trigger hdash from the previous 03:38:365 (1,2,3,4) - stream
00:05 MMBan: My connection died
00:05 MMBan: Using emergency internet. No stream
00:06 Hareimu: alright
00:06 Hareimu: did you receive the last suggestion?
00:07 MMBan: to move 03:38:752 - yes
00:08 Hareimu: moved 03:38:752 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - all these to x:256 I suppose.
00:08 MMBan: Moved
00:08 Hareimu: well then
00:08 Hareimu: the million dollar question is, are you savelogging these things? for the modpost, I mean
00:08 Hareimu: (I think you didn't receive this because your internet died)
00:08 MMBan: Yes
00:09 Hareimu: phew
00:09 Hareimu: let's continue on then
00:09 Hareimu: 03:53:074 (2) - you should finish this slider at the white tick, not the red one
00:09 Hareimu: and place an object in the red tick next of it instead
00:11 Hareimu: I would reccomend to 03:53:074 (2) - finish this slider at x:440 and place a new object 03:53:655 - here at x:112
00:12 MMBan: I'll make it less brutal
00:12 MMBan: (Main internet is back. Switching back to it)
00:12 Hareimu: alright then
00:13 Hareimu: tell me when you're finished with that one, we're finished with the 2nd kiai
00:14 MMBan: ended slider on x460 and setted circle on red tick on x264
00:16 Hareimu: 04:18:235 (2,3) - movement between these two sliders is really strange, even if it's a slider hell you should make it more accessible, the (3) slider is a fast one.
00:20 MMBan: Redone the slider (3)
00:20 Hareimu: alright
00:21 Hareimu: now onto the last stream section
00:21 Hareimu: 04:41:074 (3) - move to x:128, I want to show you something with the next changes I'm gonna suggest
00:22 Hareimu: 04:41:364 (6) - move to x:272, then move 04:41:364 (6,1,2) - to x:365
00:22 Hareimu: *364
00:23 Hareimu: 04:41:655 (3) - move to x:132
00:23 Hareimu: 04:41:848 (5,6) - move to x:396
00:24 Hareimu: 04:42:139 (8) - move to x:160
00:25 Hareimu: 04:42:429 (3,4) - move to x:320
00:26 Hareimu: 04:42:719 (6,7) - move these to x:176, then move 04:42:623 (5,6,7) - to x:168
00:26 MMBan: this made Triangle on 04:41:848 -
00:26 Hareimu: that was the idea :P
00:27 Hareimu: 04:42:913 (1,2,3) - move these to x:460 to soften the jump a bit
00:27 Hareimu: 04:43:397 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ctrl+h this whole pattern
00:27 Hareimu: and that's it.
00:27 Hareimu: test it and tell me if it's not better o3o
00:27 Hareimu: (following the guitar riffs is nice)
00:28 MMBan: Still i'm pretty sure anti flow part will be the place with biggest amount of fail  like planned
00:28 MMBan: 80% testplayer of primal version  were failing on this  anti  flow part ;s
00:29 Hareimu: I hope so :^)
00:29 MMBan: And primal version of this  3rd kiai was way more different
00:29 MMBan: Let's keep going. All done
00:29 MMBan: 6.42
00:30 MMBan: 6.32*
00:30 Hareimu: 04:56:751 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - move these to x:140, you can overrun these
00:30 Hareimu: that's not wanted on such a dense stream
00:32 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t79yd/45963c3646.osu
00:32 MMBan: with that 1/8 stream fix
00:33 Hareimu: 04:57:719 (2) - finish this slider on red tick instead, it'll make room for more hdashes on next notes into the last kiai.
00:35 Hareimu: eh... I came back to the last stream section before the kiai and I think I didn't quite explain some points.
00:36 Hareimu: 04:42:139 (8,1) - move these two to x:132
00:36 Hareimu: 04:42:429 (3,4) - and these two to x:368
00:37 Hareimu: for some reason those pairs of objects were badly placed and I couldn't stop missing for obvious reasons
00:37 MMBan: I keep to miss on that anti flow part
00:38 Hareimu: 04:43:397 - the section that starts here?
00:38 Hareimu: (the jumps)
00:38 MMBan: 04:43:010 - Here it start
00:39 Hareimu: that's not antiflow o.o
00:39 Hareimu: (I think)
00:42 MMBan: Update incoming
00:42 Hareimu: share the .osu, don't submit yet xD
00:42 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t79YH/a4835a00fa.osu
00:43 MMBan: i  make  one 1/4 2 straight
00:43 MMBan: and it added 0.06* i was like how
00:44 MMBan: But still  i'm  failing this part ;f
00:44 Hareimu: 04:58:687 (4) - ctrl+h this
00:44 Hareimu: it'll be a nice hdash
00:45 MMBan: 05:08:171 - How  to fix dis
00:45 Hareimu: 05:08:171 (1) - why does this even end on a blue tick what
00:45 MMBan: end on red
00:46 Hareimu: make it finish on a white tick instead
00:46 Hareimu: 05:08:945 - here.
00:46 MMBan: i meh
00:46 Hareimu: and 05:09:913 - add a normal object here
00:46 Hareimu: there, fixed
00:46 MMBan: vocal ends on red
00:46 MMBan: where bookmark is
00:47 MMBan: unless i'll redo this slider
00:47 Hareimu: yeah, that's why I said add an object 05:09:913 - here
00:47 Hareimu: there is also a sound 05:09:719 - here to support the slider ending on this white tick
00:47 Hareimu: so you can go on with that
00:48 Hareimu: even if you follow lyrics 95% you cannot map stuff without relying on instrumentals as well
00:50 MMBan: fixed
00:50 Hareimu: .osu~
00:51 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t7amZ/f339c2420f.osu
00:52 Hareimu: 05:09:913 (1,2) - I'd rather switch them
00:52 Hareimu: ctrl+g
00:53 MMBan: Good idea
00:55 MMBan: done
00:55 Hareimu: 05:11:268 (1) - the end of this slider is out of the playfield
00:55 Hareimu: 05:13:397 (1) - the player is quite jumpy now, so having this slider to start right above the end of the previous one (stacked) isn't quite wanted.
00:55 MMBan: even while its out field
00:55 MMBan: it ends on x512
00:55 Hareimu: I'd rather ctrl+g 05:13:397 (1) -
00:56 Hareimu: it's a lot better
00:57 MMBan: Ok
00:58 Hareimu: 05:29:655 (1) - ctrl+h
00:58 Hareimu: actually, move it to x:400
01:00 MMBan: 1Ok
01:01 Hareimu: well
01:01 Hareimu: I've gotta say
01:01 Hareimu: this was by far the most extended, productive, and intuitive mod I've done.
01:02 MMBan: quats should give 4 kudos for this
01:03 Hareimu: everything else is okay, aside of some NCs and hitsounding stuff that I think you'll be able to solve
01:03 Hareimu: if you can't solve them, hitsounding-nc specific mods will solve them
01:03 Hareimu: and... I think that's it
01:03 MMBan: Hitsounding i  were fixing meantime
01:04 Hareimu: hand me over the .osu file again?
01:04 Hareimu: I'm gonna test it again so that I can't take more issues out of it
01:05 MMBan: https://puu.sh/t7b1W/543ddc7922.osu
01:05 Hareimu: also 00:14:364 (2,3) - I think I've made a point in the old modpost to spread these out to the left or something
01:07 Hareimu: 01:05:461 (2) - this is almost an edge jump.
01:07 Hareimu: reduce the distance between that one and the previous-next objects
01:08 MMBan: problem will be with keeping hdash from  2 to 3
01:08 Hareimu: if it doesn't trigger hdash onto 01:06:042 (3) - , try moving 01:06:042 (3) - more to the left and curve it progressively
01:08 Hareimu: wait, got a better idea
01:08 Hareimu: 01:05:074 (1) - ctrl+g this one
01:09 Hareimu: that's it
01:12 Hareimu: 02:57:526 (2,1) - ctrl+h these two
01:12 Hareimu: and ctrl+g 02:57:526 (2) -
01:13 MMBan: ok
01:13 Hareimu: 03:04:881 (6) - ctrl+h this one too
01:14 MMBan: Aright
01:15 Hareimu: antiflow section is a-ok
01:15 Hareimu: I fc'd it
01:15 MMBan: For me it varies  on condition
01:15 MMBan: Sometimes i'm able to play difficult stuff sometimes i'm not even able to pass platters
01:16 Hareimu: it's ready.
01:16 MMBan: Ok
01:16 MMBan: I'll back up old version (For those who want play it) and update new one